An Open Letter from a Soldier to Those Who Criticize the Troops

[Occam's Banana]

h/t Laurence Vance: http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/an-open-letter-from-a-soldier-to-those-who-criticize-the-troops/


[...] This open letter (http://www.notbeinggoverned.com/open-letter-soldier-criticize-troops) had me foaming at the mouth until I got about half way through. It is one of the best things I have ever seen on the stupidity of criticizing those who criticize the troops.

An Open Letter from a Soldier to Those Who Criticize the Troops (http://www.notbeinggoverned.com/open-letter-soldier-criticize-troops/)

You can't really excerpt a part of it without losing the effect, so I won't quote any of it here.

Just read it from the start. It's worth it ...

[WM_in_MO]

An excellent troll to say the least.

[aGameOfThrones]

Approved.

[FSU63]

EDIT: Just read the whole thing and realized it was satire.

[heavenlyboy34]

I am impress.

[HOLLYWOOD]

An excellent troll to say the least.Yep... Montréal, Canada ip...

I read "fk's" other posts: http://www.notbeinggoverned.com/author/fk/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTSA_sWGM44

[green73]

F--- you, Occam, I was going to post this!

Meh, it will probably do better here with you backing it.


You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Occam's Banana again.

[Matthew5]

Interesting read, although the two scenarios are hard to reconcile. Germany was more of a sudden super power brought on by the fervor of post-WWI. America has always been in power during this century of war.

So I suppose the take-away then is he's "just following orders" much like our soldiers?

[Brett85]

I haven't read the article and likely won't. I'll just say that we need to support our troops by bringing them home, just as Ron Paul has said numerous times.

[Tywysog Cymru]

Lol, I thought it was going to be an American soldier at Guantanamo.

(also, the Nazis were evil, if you don't understand that there is something seriously wrong with your moral system).

[green73]

I haven't read the article and likely won't.

:rolleyes:

[bunklocoempire]

That letter was pretty decent. I was like all... then I was all... then I was like all... and then at the end I was ahhhhh.

OT,

Guys, please respect Falcon63's beliefs. Oops, sorry, got my posters mixed up. Ignore that. Carry on.

:toady:

[Matthew5]

Any chance of this thread ever getting back on topic? Isn't there some history sub forum where this could be discussed? The main focus is on the nature of criticizing those that are employed in the military. One could just as easily replace this with Roman soldiers...

[Snew]

Awesome, awesome article.

[dillo]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaVena_Johnson

Until that gets resolved I don't think I can respect the military as a whole, I respect some individuals within it though.

[LibForestPaul]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaVena_Johnson

Until that gets resolved I don't think I can respect the military as a whole, I respect some individuals within it though.

Honestly, never heard of this before this post. And this incident is over 5 years old.

[Bossobass]

A clear majority of Americans felt it a mistake to enter WWI (no #s, but "strongly of the opinion to stay out"), WWII (88%), Korea (55%), Vietnam (68%), Iraq (58%) and Afghanistan (87%), yet we spent trillions and trillions, decades of time fighting and millions of our youth to severe and irreparable damage and death. And, despite protests that irreparably divided the greatest nation in history, the US government pissed in its people's faces and marched on.

Those wars spawned and then grotesquely expanded the military industrial complex to the point where more than 1/2 of our scientists/engineers were employed designing weapons of mass destruction.

Those wars spawned and criminally expanded the NSA, CIA, DOD, ONI and all of the other alphabet soup spy agencies who have collectively "lost" 8 trillion dollars from their budgets that no one is even looking for while systematically destroying America's image globally.

This isn't even to mention the hundreds of smaller wars, instigated coups, assassinations, arms for hostage deals, drug running and various and sundry other illegal actions this gargantuan entity has engaged in without US citizen's knowledge and with full denial in cases where Americans found out.

Today, enlisted folk willingly sign up to that heritage and pledge to obey the commands of their merit badge-wearing bosses.

I have a difficult time finding any sympathy for those who do.

To all military actions, I say; Fuck war. Evolve already, you talking monkeys.

If any country ever decides to actually formally declare and wage war against the USA, the troops will not have to ask for or look for support.

[green73]

A clear majority of Americans felt it a mistake to enter WWI (no #s, but "strongly of the opinion to stay out"), WWII (88%), Korea (55%), Vietnam (68%), Iraq (58%) and Afghanistan (87%), yet we spent trillions and trillions, decades of time fighting and millions of our youth to severe and irreparable damage and death. And, despite protests that irreparably divided the greatest nation in history, the US government pissed in its people's faces and marched on.

Those wars spawned and then grotesquely expanded the military industrial complex to the point where more than 1/2 of our scientists/engineers were employed designing weapons of mass destruction.

Those wars spawned and criminally expanded the NSA, CIA, DOD, ONI and all of the other alphabet soup spy agencies who have collectively "lost" 8 trillion dollars from their budgets that no one is even looking for while systematically destroying America's image globally.

This isn't even to mention the hundreds of smaller wars, instigated coups, assassinations, arms for hostage deals, drug running and various and sundry other illegal actions this gargantuan entity has engaged in without US citizen's knowledge and with full denial in cases where Americans found out.

Today, enlisted folk willingly sign up to that heritage and pledge to obey the commands of their merit badge-wearing bosses.

I have a difficult time finding any sympathy for those who do.

To all military actions, I say; Fuck war. Evolve already, you talking monkeys.

If any country ever decides to actually formally declare and wage war against the USA, the troops will not have to ask for or look for support.

rep!

[otherone]

To all military actions, I say; Fuck war. Evolve already, you talking monkeys.



The warmongers have evolved...past morality and accountability. More sociopath than monkey.

[DamianTV]

Most people only have one perspective of the world. To be "worldly", one has to understand multiple perspectives, even if they dont agree with all of them. The thing is, the more different perspectives that people understand (despite any rejections), the closer to seeing the "big picture" they come.

People in the US military were not the only ones that suffered. The Nazi Troops were people too. We have people here that strongly believe that Socialism and Communism are the "answers to everything". I've met a few of them. And I dont like them. The thing is, left alone, they arent very dangerous. But these types of people are the ones that comprised the Nazi Troops. They had families that were also killed in the war. Killing begets killing, thus more people die for those that have already died. Trying to separate any emotional attachment and pull back even further, what I see is two massive very very angry groups of people ready to end the existence of the other group, and a Puppetmaster pulling the strings that provoked the fighting between them to begin with. Once the fighting starts, peoples emotions tend to take over and the Puppetmaster no longer needs to pull those strings to make the two groups fight. The Puppetmaster would have been the International Banksters that funded BOTH sides of the Wars and are responsible for the millions upon millions of deaths on BOTH sides.

Moral: Be mindful of who is pulling your strings, they probably dont have your best interests in mind.

[Occam's Banana]

F--- you, Occam, I was going to post this!

:p;):D But considering what this thread became, perhaps it would have been better if it had not been posted at all. :mad::mad::mad:

On that subject ...


Meh, it will probably do better here with you backing it.

My Internet connection went down the day after I posted the OP.
It just came back online today. So I was unable to do any "backing."

And what do I find when I make it back? A bunch of goddam vile & despicable Nazi apologia - by the usual suspects, of course. I generally (but not universally) refrain from the use of expletives & crudities in my posts, but I will gladly set aside such scruples in this case.

Fuck every one of you goddamned assholes who turned this thread into an effort to lick Hitler's anus - and don't try to hand me any shit about how you detest Hitler but merely object to the standard Holocaust narrative (for just one thing, one of you is an openly admitted Hitler fanboy). The article I posted does not have one goddamned thing to do with your precious goddamned Holocaust "theories." Matthew5 is 100 percent correct - you could replace the "point of view" in the OP article with that of a Roman soldier and it would make absolutely no difference to the vitally important point being made (although it would significantly reduce the impact & effectiveness of that point by removing into the remote past and framing things in a venue of little concern or interest to most Americans).

Oh, but no! - whatever fetidly septic and filth-oozing process that passes for "thinking" in your brains had to take an entirely illustrative use of a fictional WW2 German soldier for a transcending polemical purpose and warp & pervert it into a festival of shit-smearing over whether an unquestionably and incontrovertibly brutal and murderous fascist/socialist regime was "really" as bad as all that - a regime populated with and characterized by such morally depraved and thuggish scum as Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler, Joseph Goebbels, Hermann Goering, Reinhard Heydrich, etc., etc., ad nauseum (and I don't give a shit how many Jews they did or didn't kill).

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: In short: go to hell, you threadjacking trolls. You disgust me.


Any chance of this thread ever getting back on topic? Isn't there some history sub forum where this could be discussed? The main focus is on the nature of criticizing those that are employed in the military. One could just as easily replace this with Roman soldiers...


I don't honestly know whether to shut down this threadjack because it distracts from the article in the OP or be grateful the bumps are drawing attention to the article in the OP.

Thank you both very much for "getting it" - and for saying so. I regret that I have but one +rep to give to your posts. I would greatly appreciate anyone who will help alleviate this incapacity on my part by +repping Matthew5 and acptulsa for me. I'll even go so far as to +rep anyone who does so, providing that Matthew5 and/or acptulsa provide confirmation. And after all, why not turn this thread into a +rep orgy? I would certainly be a damn sight more appealing and edifying than the piss-puddle this thread has been perverted into ...

[Matthew5]

One of the issues that I see is the attacks always become personal rather than focused on the mission at large. What I mean is, I say that anyone that fights in a war is wrong. A soldier, of course, takes that very personally and then justifies his reasons for joining. I then spend my time addressing his individual reasons...now it's an attack on his identity.

My father-in-law is a great example. He's a Vietnam vet and he told me once of why he joined the military. During the draft, he had a few friends who were drafted and thrown on the front lines. Two of of them died. His family convinced him to join willingly so he would be able to choose his fate. He was/is a whiz with electronics and landed a spot in the communications division. He didn't want to be there, he felt no patriotic obligation, but it was something he was forced to do. He didn't want to lose his life or kill anyone. But he decided to make to most of it and welcome the discipline skills in his life.

I can respect that. And that's something that's often forgotten is that many wars are not voluntary, you simply have to make the best of a really bad situation. And if willingly signing up is a way to get out of fighting, I can understand. So comparing current soldiers with soldiers of past is much different, and where I think this article ultimately fails.

We have a much more unique soldier in today's scenario.

[green73]

:p;):D But considering what this thread became, perhaps it would have been better if it had not been posted at all. :mad::mad::mad:

On that subject ...



My Internet connection went down the day after I posted the OP.
It just came back online today. So I was unable to do any "backing."

And what do I find when I make it back? A bunch of goddam vile & despicable Nazi apologia - by the usual suspects, of course. I generally (but not universally) refrain from the use of expletives & crudities in my posts, but I will gladly set aside such scruples in this case.

Fuck every one of you goddamned assholes who turned this thread into an effort to lick Hitler's anus - and don't try to hand me any shit about how you detest Hitler but merely object to the standard Holocaust narrative (for just one thing, one of you is an openly admitted Hitler fanboy). The article I posted does not have one goddamned thing to do with your precious goddamned Holocaust "theories." Matthew5 is 100 percent correct - you could replace the "point of view" in the OP article with that of a Roman soldier and it would make absolutely no difference to the vitally important point being made (although it would significantly reduce the impact & effectiveness of that point by removing into the remote past and framing things in a venue of little concern or interest to most Americans).

Oh, but no! - whatever fetidly septic and filth-oozing process that passes for "thinking" in your brains had to take an entirely illustrative use of a fictional WW2 German soldier for a transcending polemical purpose and warp & pervert it into a festival of shit-smearing over whether an unquestionably and incontrovertibly brutal and murderous fascist/socialist regime was "really" as bad as all that - a regime populated with and characterized by such morally depraved and thuggish scum as Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler, Joseph Goebbels, Hermann Goering, Reinhard Heydrich, etc., etc., ad nauseum (and I don't give a shit how many Jews they did or didn't kill).

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: In short: go to hell, you threadjacking trolls. You disgust me.





Thank you both very much for "getting it" - and for saying so. I regret that I have but one +rep to give to your posts. I would greatly appreciate anyone who will help alleviate this incapacity on my part by +repping Matthew5 and acptulsa for me. I'll even go so far as to +rep anyone who does so, providing that Matthew5 and/or acptulsa provide confirmation. And after all, why not turn this thread into a +rep orgy? I would certainly be a damn sight more appealing and edifying than the piss-puddle this thread has been perverted into ...

Hear, hear!


I call for a thread split.

[green73]

I'm just going to bump this thread now that it's been cleansed.

[Occam's Banana]

I'm just going to bump this thread now that it's been cleansed.

Thank God! I don't envy Bryan the task of having to sort out all that crap ...

[FSU63]

I did Nazi that coming :rolleyes:

Strong censorship of a completely harmless discussion because it didn't fit your agenda. Instead of moving it to a new thread, you just delete the posts that make you question your beliefs.

[kcchiefs6465]

I did Nazi that coming :rolleyes:

haha

[Occam's Banana]

I did Nazi that coming :rolleyes:

Strong censorship of a completely harmless discussion because it didn't fit your agenda. Instead of moving it to a new thread, you just delete the posts that make you question your beliefs.

God damn! Your bullshit was moved to a new thread, you sniveling twit. Go puke your filth up over there:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?439817-An-Open-Letter-from-a-Soldier-to-Those-Who-Criticize-the-Troops-split-thread


haha

Please don't stroke this jackass. He's already ruined the thread once.

[Origanalist]

Why in the world is this jackass still here? I see bans all the time, what is special about this guy?

[kcchiefs6465]

Please don't stroke this jackass. He's already ruined the thread once.
I skipped over that bullshit. I was going to neg rep him once you pointed out the posts, which I still could not be bargained with to read, were deleted when in fact they were moved. The same people who were going to read the OP, read the OP. His stupid shit had little effect. It's my Friday and I'm having a few drinks; I laughed at his one liner.

The article is a good read. Thanks for posting it.