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FrankRep
01-01-2014, 12:18 PM
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Mark Levin (https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10151784498180946):

I'll address this dummy's so-called arguments, and a few others, upon my return (although I already have in my book, but some people are slow learners). Keep the faith!

http://benswann.com/mark-levin-wants-to-play-russian-roulette-with-the-constitution/

December 30, 2013 at 7:45pm


Article in Question:


Mark Levin Wants To Play Russian Roulette With The Constitution (http://benswann.com/mark-levin-wants-to-play-russian-roulette-with-the-constitution/)


Evan Mulch | BenSwann.com
December 30, 2013


Many are starting to question the extremely hard push from many so-called self-proclaimed conservative talk show hosts regarding Mark Levin’s push for a Constitutional Convention. To many of us, it seems that the only time these talk show hosts (Limbaugh, Hannity, etc.) join together in this manner is when there is a time to bring Americans into another unconstitutional war or when it’s time to persuade Americans that they should support another self-proclaimed “conservative” candidate that believes that the U.S. Constitution is a living document that can be altered without regard to the laws of the Constitution.

So why is it that so many are being called on by self-proclaimed conservative leaders to promote a Con Con (also known as an Article 5 Constitutional Convention)? As cruel as they are, the leaders are often heard pulling on the heart strings of Americans by claiming that that this is a way to immediately put an end to things such as abortion, American flag burning, and an unbalanced federal budget. Mark Levin, leader of the push for a Con Con, pulls on the heart strings of Americans without warning them of the real dangers of a Constitutional Convention. He does this by telling Americans that the Constitution will only be reasonably amended because we can “trust” conservative Republicans to do what is right for us at an Article 5 Constitutional Convention.

No Such Thing In Article V As A “State Convention Process”

According to Washington Times columnist Michael Lotfi’s column titled “Nullification vs. Article V Constitutional Convention: Why Levin Is Wrong (http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/american-millennial/2013/dec/27/nullification-vs-article-v-constitutional-conventi/)“, Mark Levin is incorrect when he says that it authorizes a “state convention process.” This is because Article V only allows states to apply for Congress to call a convention. In other words, Congress gets to choose the delegates not the states. Lotfi told BenSwann.com directly that “The idea that a Congress with a 5% approval rating could effectively choose delegates, which would protect our Constitution, is almost laughable.”

Since Congress is basically controlled by big pocketed lobbyists, most of us can conclude that it would likely be much worse for Congress to pick the delegates rather than our states. But for the purpose of blowing another hole in Mark Levin’s great idea, let’s assume that states get to pick the delegates rather than Congress.

As many of us know, most states have a majority in both state chambers of so-called conservative Republicans. Mark Levin has convinced Americans that the Republicans will basically control the “state convention process.” Although this sounds great to many members of the Republican Party, the vast majority of these Republicans can not be trusted to protect our constitutional liberties or most states would have proceeded long ago to exercise their constitutional right to nullify the NDAA, Obamacare, federal drug laws, and many other things. The majority of Republican state representatives and senators are Republican In Name Only (RINO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_In_Name_Only)) and are not the type of people we can trust at a national meeting where the giant risk would be that our whole Constitution could possibly be replaced or re-written.

Why Americans Should Be On High Alert

At this time, Mark Levin and the other so-called conservatives leading the Con Con effort have been able to convince far too many Americans into believing that a Con Con is a safe and easy way to solve most of the problems that America has. According to ConventionofStates.com (http://conventionofstates.com/), this month Virginia, South Carolina and Florida became the first to pre-file an Application for a Convention of the States Under Article V of the U.S. Constitution (http://www.conventionofstates.com/sites/default/files/COS%20Model%20Application_v3.pdf).

As Americans, we should not forget our history. Long ago during the last Con Con back in 1787 the leaders of the state of Rhode Island were deeply displeased by the unlawful actions of the representatives that attended the Con Con and therefore hesitated to ratify the new Constitution. According to the rules before the 1787 Con Con, all of the states were supposed to agree to any changes made to the Constitution but this rule was simply not followed and so the rule was made at the convention that only 9 states needed to agree on the changes to the Constitution. At the time, the leaders of Rhode Island considered withdrawing from the union and may have proceeded with doing so had it not been for the fear of facing world tyrants alone.

So will the rules be followed at Mark Levin’s Con Con? In the opinion of many, the rules would likely not be followed but that is not what most are concerned about. The fact of the matter is that entering into a Constitutional Convention at this time in America’s history would basically be like entering a game of Russian Roulette with the Constitution. The morality of our representatives needs to drastically improve before we can ever put our trust in them at an Article 5 Constitutional Convention.

What Should Americans Do?

Right now the best strategy to curing our country’s unconstitutional ills is not through a Con Con but through education, persuasion, and encouragement. Americans need to be better educated on how the U.S. Constitution as it is currently written can be enough for us to return to the glory days of living in a booming economy where civil rights are protected rather than taken away by our federal government.

Overall, there is no easy fix as Mark Levin wants Americans to believe and people need to be very skeptical of his intentions due to his lack of warning of what the dire consequences could actually be if a Con Con were held. As Americans, we should all do ourselves a huge favor in the coming days and make as many phone calls as possible to our local leaders, state representatives, and national representatives to let them know that a Con Con is not in our best interest. Together, let’s tell Mark Levin and his so-called conservative pals that they will not tread on us any longer!


Email: Evan Mulch
evan@benswann.com

FrankRep
01-01-2014, 12:28 PM
Evan Mulch is not alone in criticizing a Constitutional Convention:



Ron Paul Opposes a Constitutional Convention:


Ron Paul On Constitutional Convention (http://targetfreedom.com/bills-in-congress/ron-paul-on-constitutional-convention/)


Dear Friend:

Thank you for expressing your concern that attempting to roll back the dangerous expansion of government power through constitutional amendment will bring about a constitutional convention. You are indeed correct that a modern constitutional convention, given today's political climate, would be dangerous to liberty by leaving us open to sudden, sweeping change in our government.
...

Sincerely,

Ron Paul

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John Birch Society Opposes Mark Levin's Constitutional Convention:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7FkOygqrKk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7FkOygqrKk


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State Legislators Warn Against a Constitutional Convention



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX_CBgPnqU0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zX_CBgPnqU0


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TX0hMnZDwY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TX0hMnZDwY


The New American articles about a Constitutional Convention:


Levin's Risky Proposal: A Constitutional Convention (http://www.thenewamerican.com/reviews/books/item/16578-levin-s-risky-proposal-a-constitutional-convention)


Mark Levin’s new book, The Liberty Amendments, which calls for an Article V constitutional convention, ignores the very real risks of harmful changes to the Constitution.

Levin, Limbaugh, Hannity Calling for Con-Con (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/16381-levin-limbaugh-hannity-calling-for-con-con)


In his book Liberty Amendments radio host Mark Levin is calling for a new constitutional convention. Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity have joined him in this effort.

Eight Simple Questions Expose Dangers of a Constitutional Convention (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/14607-eight-simple-questions-expose-dangers-of-a-constitutional-convention)


John Birch Society CEO Art Thompson suggests asking eight simple questions to expose the dangers of a constitutional convention.

Dangers of a Constitutional Convention (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/7653-dangers-of-a-constitutional-convention)


A constitutional convention would be an ineffective and risky method for getting the federal government back under control.

Constitutional Convention: 10-Point Refutation (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/7925-constitutional-convention-10-point-refutation)


The Goldwater Institute has published a document entitled “10 Facts to Rebut the Mythology of a Runaway Convention,” but an examination of the Institute's Facts show that the threat of a runaway Constitutional Convention (Con Con) is real.

States Should Enforce, Not Revise, the Constitution! (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/7836-states-should-enforce-not-revise-the-constitution)


The states should rein in our out-of-control federal government by enforcing the Constitution through nullification of unconstitutional federal laws, rather than by revising the Constitution through an inherently risky constitutional convention process.

Who Needs a New Constitutional Convention? (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/7735-who-needs-a-new-constitutional-convention)


Those who wish to centralize power and turn the Constitution on its head may have their way if we succumb to the calls for an Article V constitutional convention.

Tom DeWeese: Powerful Forces Now Calling for a Constitutional Convention (http://www.thenewamerican.com/component/k2/item/10944-powerful-forces-now-calling-for-a-constitutional-convention)


Once a Constitutional Convention (Con Con) is in place, there is no controlling the agenda.

Occam's Banana
01-01-2014, 12:31 PM
Oh, yeah? Well ... Mark Levin is a big, fat doody-head! So, there!

Warlord
01-01-2014, 12:33 PM
The JBS has been solid on this issue and they're right

phill4paul
01-01-2014, 12:35 PM
You are indeed correct that a modern constitutional convention, given today's political climate, would be dangerous to liberty by leaving us open to sudden, sweeping change in our government. Ron Paul

It is twisted and perverted as it stands. A re-write? LMFAO. No. No thanks.

Christian Liberty
01-01-2014, 12:51 PM
American flag burning,

I know its technically an NAP violation, but I really wish I could punch anyone who advocated for an "American flag burning" amendment. I guess I'd just stick to calling them idiotic filthy.

Christian Liberty
01-01-2014, 12:52 PM
It is twisted and perverted as it stands. A re-write? LMFAO. No. No thanks.

There are a few provisions that truly are, but none of them HAVE to be enforced. So while its possible to follow the constitution and still not be libertarian, its also possible to do both. Ron Paul is probably the closest to both at the same time that you'll ever see.

A rewrite would probably make it worse. The "American Flag Burning" crap is a good indicator of what "boobus" thinks is important.

angelatc
01-01-2014, 01:00 PM
Getting Levin to attack down is a credit to the strength of Mulch's position. If this goes like the rest of Levin's arguments, the rebuttal will consist primarily of a verbal lynching with no real debate.

Brian4Liberty
01-01-2014, 02:34 PM
We would still have a Bill of Rights. The new version will be written by the same people who wrote FISA, the Patriot Act and NDAA. Instead of one page, the first ten amendments will be 10,000 pages long.

FrankRep
01-01-2014, 03:11 PM
I want to see Ben Swann debate Mark Levin.

Contact Ben Swann
http://benswann.com/contact/


Who else would like to see Mark Levin get smacked around?

angelatc
01-01-2014, 03:15 PM
I want to see Ben Swann debate Mark Levin.

Contact Ben Swann
http://benswann.com/contact/


Who else would like to see Mark Levin get smacked around?


I think that Swann is a journalist, not a historian. Levin showed his true colors when he refused to debate Tom Woods.

enhanced_deficit
01-01-2014, 03:16 PM
Levin is coming around slowly... but still little bit faster than Beck.

Christian Liberty
01-01-2014, 03:34 PM
Levin is coming around slowly... but still little bit faster than Beck.

Wait, what?

Beck may not be great, but he's better than Levin by a long shot.

Occam's Banana
01-01-2014, 03:39 PM
I think that Swann is a journalist, not a historian.

And I'm sure Ben would still kick Levin's ass. But it will never happen. Levin knows better than to even try.


Levin showed his true colors when he refused to debate Tom Woods.

Exactly. Levin is nothing but a verbal bully infatuated with school-yard insults ("dummy", "RuPaul", etc.).
He's a sniveling little coward who hides behind a microphone while squeaking at his betters ...

enhanced_deficit
01-01-2014, 03:42 PM
Wait, what?

Beck may not be great, but he's better than Levin by a long shot.

You are probably right, although both seem un-come-aroundable to me. I forgot /sarcasm tag above.

HOLLYWOOD
01-01-2014, 04:24 PM
US Governments... bought and paid for corruption at every level. Go ahead open a newspaper/mag/webpage and see how these Fascist/Marxist greedy self-serving sociopath's stories of fraud... they'll sell anyone out, steal from the poor and middle level taxpayers for the unlimited spoils of a career graft politician and the future positions into the elite club.

Yea, today's CON-CON would be the end of any honesty, freedom, and liberties of anything drafted in black and white.

Mark Levin has always been a CON MAN... just like the rest of talk show clown cart, Beck, Rush, Savage, Hannity, Huckabee, Gallagher, M. Raegan, etc... a long distinguished list of False 'Profits' in the political divide BULLSHITTER game.

Christian Liberty
01-01-2014, 04:42 PM
You are probably right, although both seem un-come-aroundable to me. I forgot /sarcasm tag above.

I don't listen to either very much. But: I don't often hear Beck say something that I have too much of a problem with. Occasionally I do, but not too often. It may be just because Beck focuses more on the common ground between conservatives and libertarians, but Beck does seem closer more often. I know Beck is opposed to the Patriot Act as well, and I haven't seen him advocate for war with anybody. Maybe I'm wrong though. I don't really listen to these people in my free time... only when I'm in the car with my dad, and then, only occasionally. I'd much rather listen to full-blown libertairans and ancaps than sort-of-libertarians and conservatives.

William R
01-01-2014, 09:11 PM
bump

Reason
01-01-2014, 10:30 PM
I don't understand how anyone on this forum could still think that government will ever successfully restrain government...

FrankRep
01-01-2014, 10:46 PM
I don't understand how anyone on this forum could still think that government will ever successfully restrain government...

Before the Constitution, we had a King.

Cutlerzzz
01-01-2014, 11:25 PM
Why is a King so much worse than what we have?

FrankRep
01-01-2014, 11:53 PM
Why is a King so much worse than what we have?

The Founding Fathers gave us the gift of liberty through a Constitutional Republic, but they gave a dire warning...



Ron Paul - A Republic, If You Can Keep It (part 1) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2vKQ-X1OsY)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2vKQ-X1OsY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2vKQ-X1OsY

silverhandorder
01-02-2014, 12:01 AM
I don't think Constitution is worth a damn. My evidence is government overstepping it's bounds. At least a constitutional convention would make the document current with all the abuses.

Christian Liberty
01-02-2014, 12:28 AM
Why is a King so much worse than what we have?

I'd argue that it might as well be what it would have. An advantage to the absolute monarchy would be that you only really need to persuade one person of the merits of liberty, and you get a minarchy. The disadvantage is that most likely you won't be able to, since power corrupts, and that one guy could take a lot of power.

Personally, I'd take a constitutional republic over a monarchy, but I'd take a monarchy over "democracy". And I'd take anarcho-capitalism over any of the above.

FrankRep
01-02-2014, 01:08 AM
I don't think Constitution is worth a damn. My evidence is government overstepping it's bounds. At least a constitutional convention would make the document current with all the abuses.

Let's not forget the Mission Statement --


Ron Paul Forum's Mission Statement: (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?432576-A-way-forward-for-liberty)

Inspired by US Rep. Ron Paul of Texas, this site is dedicated to facilitating grassroots initiatives that aim to restore a sovereign limited constitutional Republic based on the rule of law, states' rights and individual rights. We seek to enshrine the original intent of our Founders to foster respect for private property, seek justice, provide opportunity, and to secure individual liberty for ourselves and our posterity.

Christian Liberty
01-02-2014, 01:15 AM
Let's not forget the Mission Statement --


Ron Paul Forum's Mission Statement: (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?432576-A-way-forward-for-liberty)

Inspired by US Rep. Ron Paul of Texas, this site is dedicated to facilitating grassroots initiatives that aim to restore a sovereign limited constitutional Republic based on the rule of law, states' rights and individual rights. We seek to enshrine the original intent of our Founders to foster respect for private property, seek justice, provide opportunity, and to secure individual liberty for ourselves and our posterity.

I believe this has been discussed here in the past. I believe Bryan's stance is that while this is technically what the Mission Statement says, he's OK with those of us who support Ron Paul's general principles yet do not agree precisely with every part of the Mission Statement.

Personally, I wish the mission statement was reworded, but don't have a problem with it per say. A limited, constitutional government is certainly a stepping stone in the right direction for those of us who ultimately believe in free market anarchism.