Ron on CNN earlier this morning

[MsDoodahs]

love it.

[FreeTraveler]

love it.

Play-by-play, please :)

[Question_Authority]

I missed most of it but it looks like he was asked AGAIN about 3rd party

[MsDoodahs]

Keep hitting the CNN poll, folks, they're going to give the results later.

So go vote.

cnn.com/am

If you have not voted, please do so.

[RPFTW!]

Shut up Sanjay Guptah no one cares about you, and who's this anchor she's hot

[bobmurph]

Give me a break. 3rd party AGAIN!? I'm so sick of this question. Ron needs to address this quesiton more aggressively. It's been asked 1000 times...it is obviously a question trying to marginalize his campaign. What can he say (other than what he has been saying) to defuse the question?

[MsDoodahs]

She's Karen Chitry, former FoxNewsPorn star, and she's been very rude re: Dr. Paul. That, and her dress/lack thereof, demonstrate that she's been unable to shake off her FoxNewsPorn indoctrination.

:)

[Question_Authority]

Give me a break. 3rd party AGAIN!? I'm so sick of this question. Ron needs to address this quesiton more aggressively. It's been asked 1000 times...it is obviously a question trying to marginalize his campaign. What can he say (other than what he has been saying) to defuse the question?

You know? I just thought of something. Perhaps the fact that he is being asked about 3rd party run all the time is a good sign. They must believe he has enough support from independents to make a good run of it. No one is asking Hunter or Tancredo about that.

Just a different perspective. (It still pisses me off though)

[wealeat]

She was nice about RP today, though. Called him polite.

[ronpaulyourmom]

I don't think the 3rd party question is all that bad...if it actually happens all this talk about him running might actually get him into the debates etc... It also reminds people that he's a real force in politics, not a marginal candidate.

Expectations and setup are a good thing given the environment.

[musicmax]

Give me a break. 3rd party AGAIN!? I'm so sick of this question. Ron needs to address this quesiton more aggressively. It's been asked 1000 times...it is obviously a question trying to marginalize his campaign. What can he say (other than what he has been saying) to defuse the question?

‘Well, not a single vote has been cast yet, so the question is which Republican deserves the nomination. I believe I do because…..’

[bobmurph]

You know? I just thought of something. Perhaps the fact that he is being asked about 3rd party run all the time is a good sign. They must believe he has enough support from independents to make a good run of it. No one is asking Hunter or Tancredo about that.

Just a different perspective. (It still pisses me off though)

I was thinking the same thing. I wish he could spin the question to make that point.

[thegearbox]

You know? I just thought of something. Perhaps the fact that he is being asked about 3rd party run all the time is a good sign. They must believe he has enough support from independents to make a good run of it. No one is asking Hunter or Tancredo about that.

Just a different perspective. (It still pisses me off though)

Well Paul doesn't have the money to even contend and they know it. Plus, they want Hillary in, so if Paul can take a lot of the votes away from the republicans then all the better. His only real chance is running as a republican.

[musicmax]

You know? Perhaps the fact that he is being asked about 3rd party run all the time is a good sign.

No, they ask it for two reasons:

1. Plant the idea in voters' minds that he's not a "real" Republican.

2. Filler to divert time away from him being able to talk about real issues. (Which is also the reason why MSM obsesses on his supporters rather than on his candidacy.)

RP needs to use this technique to deflect the third-party question:

‘Well, not a single vote has been cast yet, so the question is which Republican deserves the nomination. I believe I do because…..’

[MsDoodahs]

Give me a break. 3rd party AGAIN!? I'm so sick of this question. Ron needs to address this quesiton more aggressively. It's been asked 1000 times...it is obviously a question trying to marginalize his campaign. What can he say (other than what he has been saying) to defuse the question?

He can't diffuse it.

The whole election hinges on what Ron does.

:)

[allyinoh]

Give me a break. 3rd party AGAIN!? I'm so sick of this question. Ron needs to address this quesiton more aggressively. It's been asked 1000 times...it is obviously a question trying to marginalize his campaign. What can he say (other than what he has been saying) to defuse the question?

I think they are trying to get him on record as much as possible so that if he actually did run 3rd party they could use it against him and say something like, "See we knew all along he was just a spoiler" or something to that effect.

[wgadget]

He has the power to destroy all GOP hopes and they know it.

[bobmurph]

Every time Ron gets this question he should immediately point out that he has been elected as a Republican 10 times.

This question is so unfair. They could ask him anything. Maybe something that's actuallly RELEVANT! But no...every time...3 party. It never fails. I wish they could be held accountable. We need to address this now. I think we need to get creative and figure out a way to spin this question...perhaps a new youtube making the point that the repeated asking of this question shows 2 things...1. they're trying to marginalize RP 2. they're afraid of him.

[RPFTW!]

WTF they didn't show the results of the online poll wtf

[MsDoodahs]

They said Ron has run away with it.

:)

[FreeTraveler]

He has the power to destroy all GOP hopes and they know it.

The GOP has no hopes. The CFR has already decided that the next president will be a Democrat. Whether it's Hitlery or not they haven't really shown us, but it's obvious from the Republican candidates they have fielded that they've decided it's the Democrat's turn to win. The Republican leadership goes along with it because they know they get their turn from time to time.

We truly have a one-party system here, and people need to accept that. Dr. Paul is treated the way he is because he's not a member of the CFR. The Huckster is a CFR member. He started gaining ground when the CFR realized that the Ghoul and the Mormon won't play in Peoria, and they want to make sure they have a CFR Republican, just to make it easier on their pre-ordained Democrat candidate.

We have got to accept that this is bigger than the Republican party, folks.

[wealeat]

They eventually did, we had 70 something percent.

[ecliptic]

How should the American election process be reformed to give third- and fourth- parties a fair go of it?

• Media bias - this is a problem of monopoly. The government hasn't done it's job in this area and the FCC is corrupt. Solution: One Channel / One Owner. Eliminate multi-outlet ownership and eliminate this problem. It's time to severely clamp-down on corporations in general. I believe the rights of "personhood" should be stripped altogether from corporations. I support a return to limited allowance of the corporate legal entity based on specific needs for the public good. I suggest that LLC's be eliminated altogether and furthermore:

• corporate charters should begin with the clause: "in all operations and deliberations this corporation shall consider the well-being of all life on earth first and foremost"... charters should reflect the morals and values of a HUMAN, not a psychopath.

• eliminate all electronic vote-counting or vote-handling. Let's return to simple hand-counting in the full view of the public.

• how about a law requiring news organizations to make a valid attempt to tell the truth, with severe penalties for deliberate lying.

• better yet - boycott corporate media altogether and spread this mantra like a bad virus

see: The Corporation (http://www.thecorporation.com/index.cfm?page_id=2)

[MsDoodahs]

And their comment was "lots of Ron Paul supporters out there."

Yes, and if the other guys had the same number of supporters, they could mount a challenge to online polling.

The other guys do not.

They can only mount a challenge in polls where they can spam it by voting over and over (as with some other polls that are up today ;) ).

[robert4rp08]

I missed most of it but it looks like he was asked AGAIN about 3rd party

But his reply was amazing... second question after his amazing video was played too.

[kylejack]

If he misses the GOP nomination, I wonder which he'll do, L or I.

[Patriot]

Vote for Paul here:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/debates/scorecard/youtube.debate.112807/

[MsDoodahs]

dunno, either one is a guaranteed destruction of the GOP.

And, because of the way the GOP has treated Dr. Paul, I admit that I'm quite pleased with that idea.

:)

[speciallyblend]

dunno, either one is a guaranteed destruction of the GOP.

And, because of the way the GOP has treated Dr. Paul, I admit that I'm quite pleased with that idea.

:)

yep i 100% agree,its up to the gop not to blow it,but it seems they already are.

[kylejack]

dunno, either one is a guaranteed destruction of the GOP.

And, because of the way the GOP has treated Dr. Paul, I admit that I'm quite pleased with that idea.

:)
We can sell it as being good for the GOP. 8 years of disrespect for fiscal conservatism means that the party needs a wakeup call.

[Elwar]

I loved his answer to that question in the debates last night. It was so inspiring.

Answering like that enough times and it'll shut the media up really quick.

[alien]

You know? I just thought of something. Perhaps the fact that he is being asked about 3rd party run all the time is a good sign. They must believe he has enough support from independents to make a good run of it. No one is asking Hunter or Tancredo about that.

Just a different perspective. (It still pisses me off though)

They are asking him because they want people watching to think that he can't win and not vote for him. But it won't work, people are waking up!

[EotS]

I'd like to see Dr. Paul say simply: No, my intention is to win the Republican nomination.

Nothing more need be said.

[Question_Authority]

Yeah what's the deal with these AM people re-hashing the 3rd party question. Did they not watch the debate last night and listen to his answer then?

Why do the stupidest people get chosen for newscasting?

[MsDoodahs]

The same reason Bush won the WH: unchecked ignorance floats to the top. :)

[StrikerV]

Why doesnt he ask "Ask Guiliani or Romney that question"

[BeFranklin]

Any youtube of this morning?

[AFTFNJ]

Any youtube of this morning?

x1

[voytechs]

You know? I just thought of something. Perhaps the fact that he is being asked about 3rd party run all the time is a good sign. They must believe he has enough support from independents to make a good run of it. No one is asking Hunter or Tancredo about that.

Just a different perspective. (It still pisses me off though)

They don't consider any other candidates a threat. They only want to marginalize RP.

[voytechs]

WTF they didn't show the results of the online poll wtf

Thats because RP won with 47% of the vote in most categories.

[BeFranklin]

They are asking him because they want people watching to think that he can't win and not vote for him. But it won't work, people are waking up!

I think they want people to leave the Republican party because they're afraid we're take it back. Think even bigger then Ron Paul, the other candidates don't have any real support, its all talking heads and money.

[BeFranklin]

Sounded like some important stuff on air from another thread.. anyone have a youtube?

[IowaSupport]

Bump for great youtube

[Santana28]

they keep asking him because they are scared out of their minds that he WILL run 3rd party - if he does that than they can Guarantee a Hillary win, while as now i think they are still deluding themselves into believing they have a shot. If he continues on the path he is, i fully expect someone to try to goad him into a VP position (which he will refuse immediately) and eventually... eventually... i think they'll realize that they can't win without him. but by then it may be too late.

[philipsantamaria]

If someone chose him as a running mate...I would still consider voting ...but in my mind, Ron Paul would be President.

[EvilNight]

Kucinich has come right out and said he would like Ron as a running mate. I think that's nice, but frankly that's a poor consolation prize. We have a shot at something better.

[VRP08]

this was last night right? http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/video/politics/2007/11/29/roberts.ron.paul.cnn.124x70.jpg

[angrydragon]

Any youtube of this?

[RevolutionSD]

The GOP has no hopes. The CFR has already decided that the next president will be a Democrat. Whether it's Hitlery or not they haven't really shown us, but it's obvious from the Republican candidates they have fielded that they've decided it's the Democrat's turn to win. The Republican leadership goes along with it because they know they get their turn from time to time.

We truly have a one-party system here, and people need to accept that. Dr. Paul is treated the way he is because he's not a member of the CFR. The Huckster is a CFR member. He started gaining ground when the CFR realized that the Ghoul and the Mormon won't play in Peoria, and they want to make sure they have a CFR Republican, just to make it easier on their pre-ordained Democrat candidate.

We have got to accept that this is bigger than the Republican party, folks.

Exactly! Good post and great points.

[european]

what is CFR?:confused:

[mconder]

Is there a YouTube for this?

[Wayne Hammond]

what is CFR?:confused:

Council on Foreign Relations... see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_Foreign_Relations

.

[Grandson of Liberty]

If he ends up running third party, he should say something like, "Well, you media folks asked me about it so many times I decided to give it a try." :p

Also, I'd love to hear him say, "Hey, if I get enough votes to cost the GOP the election, there must be something seriously wrong with the GOP." :eek:

[DJ RP]

I really want them to ask Gulianni "If you don't get the republican nomination will you consider running as a liberal?"

[jacmicwag]

No, they ask it for two reasons:

1. Plant the idea in voters' minds that he's not a "real" Republican.

2. Filler to divert time away from him being able to talk about real issues. (Which is also the reason why MSM obsesses on his supporters rather than on his candidacy.)

RP needs to use this technique to deflect the third-party question:

‘Well, not a single vote has been cast yet, so the question is which Republican deserves the nomination. I believe I do because…..’

I really like this response to the 3rd party question we will probably hear asked another 1000 times this December.

Might be a good idea to develop responses for some of those 'other" questions that so piss us off.

[Trigonx]

wtb youtube of this

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Give me a break. 3rd party AGAIN!? I'm so sick of this question. Ron needs to address this quesiton more aggressively. It's been asked 1000 times...it is obviously a question trying to marginalize his campaign. What can he say (other than what he has been saying) to defuse the question?

Don't you think that maybe they're doing it to sway viewer opinion? duhhh

[angrydragon]

Is this old or new?

Ron Paul Interviewed by Lou Dobbs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nM4A_dyqv8

[RPFTW!]

Is this old or new?

Ron Paul Interviewed by Lou Dobbs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nM4A_dyqv8

First time I've seen it, Its nice that Lou actually asks real questions and not just 'are you gonna run 3rd party blah blah blah'

[Talldude1412]

This is annoying, Ron Paul has said repeatedly that he isn't running third party. As much of a let down as that may be to some of us, I greatly respect Dr. Paul's word on the matter, and if he has said he won't I sincerely hope he doesn't. That would totally marginalize him by staining his word/ political consistency. We shouldn't be looking for a consolation prize here (a 3rd party run), we should be after the republican nomination, and IF we lose preparing for a long haul changing the party from the ground up and fielding "Ron Paul" candidates at each election at multiple levels. This is how change is created.

[FreeTraveler]

I think they want people to leave the Republican party because they're afraid we're take it back. Think even bigger then Ron Paul, the other candidates don't have any real support, its all talking heads and money.

That's the exact truth. They're scared they'll lose the party to the people. There's another thread going on this, and people voted overwhelmingly to take back the party instead of going Libertarian or a new third party.

[FreeTraveler]

what is CFR?:confused:

Watch this video, and all will become clear. Warning, though, it's definately a red pill. If you watch this, your life will never be the same. I know, I watched it. :p

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=6632255652046262625&hl=en

[MusoSpuso]

This is annoying, Ron Paul has said repeatedly that he isn't running third party. As much of a let down as that may be to some of us, I greatly respect Dr. Paul's word on the matter, and if he has said he won't I sincerely hope he doesn't. That would totally marginalize him by staining his word/ political consistency. We shouldn't be looking for a consolation prize here (a 3rd party run), we should be after the republican nomination, and IF we lose preparing for a long haul changing the party from the ground up and fielding "Ron Paul" candidates at each election at multiple levels. This is how change is created.

To be perfectly clear however, Ron Paul has never (to my knowledge) said that he would never run. He always says he has absolutely no PLAN to run and hasn't even considered it. That doesn't mean that at some point he MAY consider it.

[someguy200]

He really needs to reference the fact that everybody has already asked him if he's going to go 3rd party and he's already said no. He doesn't need to actually say this, just imply that the anchor obviously hasn't done any sort of research. If he gets somebody that asked him that before that asks it to him again, he can really make them look dumb without being aggressive or impolite.

[Talldude1412]

To be perfectly clear however, Ron Paul has never (to my knowledge) said that he would never run. He always says he has absolutely no PLAN to run and hasn't even considered it. That doesn't mean that at some point he MAY consider it.

lol, that sounds like lawyerism, and Ron Paul is a doctor. Above all else, doctors hate lawyers. So by my interpretation he isn't going to do that. Simply lighting the fire under the people should be enough to enact change.

[MusoSpuso]

lol, that sounds like lawyerism, and Ron Paul is a doctor. Above all else, doctors hate lawyers. So by my interpretation he isn't going to do that. Simply lighting the fire under the people should be enough to enact change.

Don't get me wrong, I hate when people ask him that question and I absolutely agree that he should be concentrating on winning the gop nomination. The point I wanted to make was that I wouldn't consider Ron Paul going against his word or that he has less integrity. That's all :D

[adpierce]

Here's the deal... YOUTUBE IT OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN

[Bergie Bergeron]

Here's the deal... YOUTUBE IT OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN
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[adpierce]

Freshly uploaded:

GRRR!!! That's a bunch of crap. You do that all the time don't you? I've seen you do it before shame on you for fooling people into watching stupid non-Ron Paul related videos.

[Talldude1412]

Don't get me wrong, I hate when people ask him that question and I absolutely agree that he should be concentrating on winning the gop nomination. The point I wanted to make was that I wouldn't consider Ron Paul going against his word or that he has less integrity. That's all :D

But others certainly would think he has less integrity. And what Dr. Paul has started is much bigger than him, he realizes this and references it frequently. IF he loses the nomination, PLEASE DONT, I think in the name of those who wish to carry on his legacy after this election he better not go 3rd party and become an "election spoiler" to the republicans. The majority of us want to start revamping the party after this election, and we don't want to face the anger of a party that blames Ron Paul for losing in 08'. Do you understand? His message is bigger than him, and has grown exponentially over a single year. After this election, regardless of the outcome, there is essentially a very large energized group of people who like Ron Paul's ideals and will be politically involved (hopefully) for many years to come. I think a 3rd party run would create some major hurdles for such a following in the republican party.

[Mark]

GRRR!!! That's a bunch of crap. You do that all the time don't you? I've seen you do it before shame on you for fooling people into watching stupid non-Ron Paul related videos.

Not the first time huh? Then maybe that poster needs to be banned for that junk. I reported the post. I hope the poster gets the message.

[Paulitician]

You guys are idiots if you're actually considering a 3rd party/independent run for Ron Paul. Ron Paul has said no one can win in a party outside R and D. I'm sure the media would love him to run 3rd/indie because a) they no longer have to really deal with him, b) they can further marginalize and ridicule him, and c) they could blame him for being a spoiler, ensuring the Dem nominee wins. I mean, sheesh, there is nothing appealing about a 3rd party/independent run to me. It's complete stupidity. Even people right now outside the campaign believe the media's spiel that Ron Paul is going to run in independent/third party and their mad at him for that. I mean seriously people, wake the heck up. I can't believe even fellow Ron Paul supporters are falling for their propaganda.

[kylejack]

You guys are idiots if you're actually considering a 3rd party/independent run for Ron Paul. Ron Paul has said no one can win in a party outside R and D. I'm sure the media would love him to run 3rd/indie because a) they no longer have to really deal with him, b) they can further marginalize and ridicule him, and c) they could blame him for being a spoiler, ensuring the Dem nominee wins. I mean, sheesh, there is nothing appealing about a 3rd party/independent run to me. It's complete stupidity. Even people right now outside the campaign believe the media's spiel that Ron Paul is going to run in independent/third party and their mad at him for that. I mean seriously people, wake the heck up. I can't believe even fellow Ron Paul supporters are falling for their propaganda.

If he fails to get the Republican nomination, I sure hope you change your position, because Ron will run, and he'll need your support.

[Spirit of '76]

I mean seriously people, wake the heck up. I can't believe even fellow Ron Paul supporters are falling for their propaganda.

I'm starting to think we should encourage the thought that he might, and then ask them, "You don't want Hillary to win do you? Then you'd better nominate Ron."

[mordechai]

I really want them to ask Gulianni "If you don't get the republican nomination will you consider running as a liberal?"

I swear, I was so pissed during this debate, I wanted to throw something. What will it take for these fools to realize Paul is serious? He raised 4,000,000 in one day. He's gonna do it again on Dec 16th.

What do we have to do, literally throw a ton of Lipton into the Boston harbour? March on Washington dressed in three corner caps or bonnets, with muskets and pitchforks? What???

McCain isn't even in this race anymore. Guiliani can't and won't win. Huckabee and Romney are the only serious comp Paul faces at this time, and soon, Romney won't be a factor.

AHHHHH!!!

(Okay, rant off)

[Talldude1412]

If he fails to get the Republican nomination, I sure hope you change your position, because Ron will run, and he'll need your support.

He will not run 3rd party. If he does he will create major hurdles for his ideals, and may just end up marginalizing his supporters. His stances will go nowhere. If he remains true to what he has been saying we will not be facing an inherently pissed off republican party that blames him for losing in 08'. If our cause is to continue beyond this election he needs to not run 3rd party. So his newfound politically energized followers can start creating change from the ground up. Another 3rd party will be just as politically meaningless as Libertarians and green party. Face it, they have little to no effect on politics in this country. Our best bet to effect change in our nation is by revamping a current political party.

[scrosnoe]

Republicans will nominate Ron Paul in order to win in November 2008

is now part of my tag line . . .

[runderwo]

If he fails to get the Republican nomination, I sure hope you change your position, because Ron will run, and he'll need your support.

That "IF" becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, if we allow the notion of a third party run to impede our efforts to spread the message to people who will vote in the Republican primary.

[Paulitician]

That "IF" becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, if we allow the notion of a third party run to impede our efforts to spread the message to people who will vote in the Republican primary.
I agree. Shove that kind of talk until after 3 months or so like Ron Paul said yesterday, if you must. But it serves absolutely no purpose right now.

[JimDude]

I'm starting to think we should encourage the thought that he might, and then ask them, "You don't want Hillary to win do you? Then you'd better nominate Ron."

hillary scares the pants off me dude, and no, im not a pervert.

[BeFranklin]

Where is the youtube of this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Geronimo]

Where is the youtube of this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, what he said.

[kylejack]

I found a video of Goyette promoting Ron Paul. I think its new, but maybe not. It was posted today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtRoM6-7cJk

[pguitarb]

That video with Goyette was from a coupla weeks ago I belive.