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compromise
12-28-2013, 05:50 AM
First The Blaze (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?435964-Ted-Cruz-wins-The-Blaze-s-quot-Man-of-the-Year-quot), then The American Spectator (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?436107-Ted-Cruz-wins-The-American-Spectator-s-quot-Man-of-the-Year-quot), now The Hill declares constitutionalist hero Ted Cruz their person of the year.


No politician had a greater impact on the past year than freshman U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas). Cruz came from the Lone Star State not owing the D.C. political establishment anything, after he beat the chosen replacement for Kay Bailey Hutchison in an underfunded, grassroots driven Republican primary election.

Using his historic first speech on the Senate floor to support Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul’s quest to force the Obama administration to agree not to use drones to kill Americans on American soil, Cruz showed he would sacrifice personal glory for the cause of liberty. By helping shine a constitutional light on the Justice Department’s unwillingness to unequivocally declare that the federal government cannot just send a missile through the windshield of American citizens driving down I-95, Cruz chose to take his first stand on a seemingly esoteric, but important, constitutional issue.

Of course, Cruz made his biggest mark when he and fellow freshman Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah) led a last-ditch national grassroots effort to defund ObamaCare before the law went into effect fully. Imagine how many Senate Democrats wish right now that they had heeded Cruz's entreaties and agreed to delaying or defunding it for one year. Now, they are stuck with the law and all its consequences.
Since the short federal government shutdown, Americans are coming to the conclusion that ObamaCare was sold through a series of lies, and they are not happy. Fear of losing coverage, fear of significantly increased healthcare costs and fear of losing the doctor/patient relationship have become the table topic in households.

These households know that Republicans, because of Cruz and Lee, did everything possible to protect America from the impact of ObamaCare.

Incredibly, the handwringers in the Republican Party will be the beneficiaries of Cruz’s determination, intelligence and guts. Yet those same elected and unelected D.C. operatives will never forgive the Texas senator for showing their half-hearted opposition to the law for what it was and forcing the issue.

It is this willingness to use whatever power he is entrusted with to protect Americans from the ravages of big government that has made Cruz a hero among thinking outside the Beltway Republicans.

It is this exact same quality that has made him an anathema to inside the Beltway Republicans, who are intimidated by his unique combination of intelligence, education and fierce determination to do what is right, regardless of which power broker’s cage gets rattled.

And it is this quality that the establishment Republican class is mounting a campaign to defeat in 2014 primary elections. Fearing a wave class of new Republicans emboldened by Cruz’s enthusiasm and integrity in fighting for personal liberty, their limited-government veneer has been cast away.

Cruz created a new plum line for those who claim to carry the limited government mantle, and in one short year he has done more to change the landscape of American politics than most of the careerists do in a lifetime. That is why he is 2013 Person of the Year.



http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/lawmaker-news/194072-ted-cruz-2013-person-of-the-year

AngryCanadian
12-28-2013, 07:49 AM
These households know that Republicans, because of Cruz and Lee, did everything possible to protect America from the impact of ObamaCare.

Amish and Rand are forgotten.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZtHac9w-QE

compromise
12-28-2013, 08:10 AM
Amish and Rand are forgotten.

Can't forget them!

http://www.todayifoundout.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Beard-AMISH2.jpg

Warlord
12-28-2013, 08:18 AM
hero? seriously compromise take your Cruz worship elsewhere.

compromise
12-28-2013, 08:36 AM
hero? seriously compromise take your Cruz worship elsewhere.

Where would you recommend?

The majority agree with me on here (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?421989-Is-Ted-Cruz-a-friend-of-the-liberty-movement). I see no reason to go elsewhere.

Warlord
12-28-2013, 08:43 AM
Ted Cruz endorsed Rick Perry last year for president. He's no friend of liberty just a self-serving politician

FrankRep
12-28-2013, 08:47 AM
hero? seriously compromise take your Cruz worship elsewhere.

Don't worry Warlord, Chris Christie will likely get the GOP nomination.

compromise
12-28-2013, 08:53 AM
Ted Cruz endorsed Rick Perry last year for president. He's no friend of liberty just a self-serving politician

He praised Perry at a Redstate event in 2011, but there was never really any official endorsement. No one endorsed Perry last year, Perry was out by January 19. He did not endorse Rick Perry or any other candidate at any point in or before the primary season. Why would he endorse Dewhurst's biggest backer?

Warlord
12-28-2013, 09:04 AM
He praised Perry at a Redstate event in 2011, but there was never really any official endorsement. No one endorsed Perry last year, Perry was out by January 19. He did not endorse Rick Perry or any other candidate at any point in or before the primary season. Why would he endorse Dewhurst's biggest backer?

The fact that he didn't endorse Ron Paul shows his true colors as does his statement that there should be an invasion of Syria. The guy is no hero and no friend of liberty as you like to claim. He is a self serving millionaire lawyer/politician

torchbearer
12-28-2013, 09:31 AM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Rc8k_D3yYoE/Tw4IyOKMysI/AAAAAAAAAls/awgasVzJMfA/s320/Stephen-Colbert-Popcorn.gif

RonPaulFanInGA
12-28-2013, 09:40 AM
It's gonna be funny watching this false idol go down in flames in 2016; be it primary, general or Cruz simply chickening out of running ala Palin.

FrankRep
12-28-2013, 09:43 AM
It's gonna be funny watching this false idol go down in flames in 2016; be it primary, general or Cruz simply chickening out of running ala Palin.

The establishment wants Chris Christie. Just remember that.

belian78
12-28-2013, 11:37 AM
The establishment wants Chris Christie. Just remember that.
No, they want weak willed folk like you and compromise and captlou to push the Cristie fear enough where regular folks are clamoring for the trojan horse Cruz to save them as 'the one that can win against the establishment candidate'. While all the time he's an establishment man through and through.

enhanced_deficit
12-28-2013, 11:45 AM
What about "Weekly Standarad" and "Washingtom Times" and "The Telegraph", when are they coming out with neocon of the year list?

Cruz even might be worse than Obama but not sure on that yet.

Ted Cruz attacks Obama for not fully funding NSA spying during shutdown (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?429390-Ted-Cruz-attacks-Obama-for-not-fully-funding-NSA-spying-during-shutdown&)


Ted Cruz wants US troops to invade Syria (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?425907-Will-Kerry-McCain-Rafael-Ted-Cruz-succeed-in-selling-Syria-military-intervention&)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...83YwkLAp0#t=39 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=rx83YwkLAp0#t=39)

“We know Assad has used these weapons, and there is good reason to suspect the al Qaida-affiliated rebels would use them as well if they could get their hands on them. This poses an intolerable threat not only to our friends in the region, but also to the United States. We need to be developing a clear, practical plan to go in, locate the weapons, secure or destroy them, and then get out. The United States should be firmly in the lead to make sure the job is done right.”- Rafael Cruz

HOUSTON, TX — U.S. Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) released the following statement regarding Syria:

Today, the legislative bodies of two of our closest allies are engaged in emergency meetings on the prospect of military engagement in Syria. In Great Britain, Prime Minister David Cameron has called the House of Commons home from vacation to deliberate over the use of force in Syria. In Israel, the Knesset’s Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee is reviewing potential responses should Israel be attacked in the fallout over action in Syria.

In Washington, DC, crickets are chirping.
It may be that there is a compelling case to be made that intervention in Syria is necessary to defend U.S. interests.

http://therightscoop.com/ted-cruz-crickets-are-chirping-in-washington-while-israel-and-great-britain-are-debating-syria/




Ted Cruz’s speech at John Hagee's Christians United for Israel (CUFI) Washington Summit (http://therightscoop.com/full-speech-ted-cruzs-speech-on-israel-at-2013-cufi-washington-summit/)

Video: CUFI's Pastor John Hagee Praying for more War in the name of Jesus (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?426011-Video-CUFI-s-Pastor-John-Hagee-Praying-for-more-War-in-the-name-of-Jesus&)

John McCain had rejected Hagee's endorsement in 2008 after vids were leaked showing Hagee calling Hitler "God's hunter" and comparing Catholic religion to "The Beast". Recently, controversial senator Ted Cruz was a featured speaker at CUFI Zionists rally and called John Hagee a "great guy".


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udBM22ZhxBI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udBM22ZhxBI

Ted Cruzer showboating prayer to cultivate Iran war:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVHOIrjCcAAE3Jt.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=Poh-d2BDI74CAM&tbnid=g9I9n_PqK0hn7M:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Faskmarion.wordpress.com%2F2013%2F 09%2F28%2Fted-cruz-prays-for-pastor-saeed-abedini-in-front-of-white-house-billy-graham-takes-out-full-page-ad-in-ny-times%2F&ei=22e-Ut2hBdS0kQeyioHIBg&bvm=bv.58187178,d.eW0&psig=AFQjCNGP8MI0e5IyX4kgYcXiUnEcd1mvJg&ust=1388296525742722)




(http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?425907-Will-Kerry-McCain-Rafael-Ted-Cruz-succeed-in-selling-Syria-military-intervention&)


The establishment wants Chris Christie. Just remember that.

But Clinton operators like James Carville (The Hill) probably will push neocon-wing Tea Party hatters like Ted Cruz to ensure opposition is controlled too.

"The Hill" editor Hugo Gurdon is not a "journalist" but more like a pro war activist. Who could forget this famous list by Lew Rockwell.






IN FAVOR OF THE WAR

OPPOSED TO THE WAR



David Aaronovitch (The Independent)
Christiane Amanpour (CNN)
Larry Arnn (Claremont Institute)
William Bartley (Wall Street Journal)
Joe Biden (D-DE)
John R. Bolton (American Enterprise Institute)
Max Boot (Wall Street Journal)
Zbigniew Brzezinski (lobbyist)
Winston Churchill, Jr. (British Parliament)
Eliot A. Cohen (Johns Hopkins University)
Chris Cox (D-CA)
Bob Dole (lobbyist)
Eliot Engel (D-NY)
Steve Forbes (Forbes Magazine)
Thomas Friedman (New York Times)
John Fund (Wall Street Journal)
Paul Gigot (Wall Street Journal)
Jonah Goldberg (National Review)
Katharine Graham (Washington Post)
Hugo Gurdon (London Telegraph)
Chuck Hagel (R-NE)
William Hague (British Parliament)
David Hart (London Times)
John Hillen (Center for Strategic and International Studies)
Bruce Herschensohn (Claremont Institute)
Albert R. Hunt (Wall Street Journal)
Jesse Jackson (liberal activist)
Bianca Jagger (celebrity)
Robert Kagan (Carnegie Endowment for International Peace)
Robert D. Kaplan (Atlantic Monthly)
Garry Kasparov (Wall Street Journal)
Henry Kissinger (lobbyist)
William Kristol (Weekly Standard)
Tom Lantos (D-CA)
Joseph Lieberman (D-CT)
Richard Lugar (R-IN)
John McCain (R-AZ)
George Melloan (Wall Street Journal)
Dick Morris (NY Post)
Gerold Nadler (D-NY)
Kate O'Beirne (National Review)
William Odom (Hudson Institute)
Michael O'Hanlon (Brookings Institute)
Andrea Petersen (Wall Street Journal)
John Podhoretz (New York Post)
Ellen Joan Pollock (Wall Street Journal)
Ramesh Poneru (National Review)
David Pryce-Jones (National Review)
Therese Rafael (Wall Street Journal Europe)
Howell Raines (New York Times)
Vanessa Redgrave (actress)
David Rieff (Salon)
William Safire (New York Times)
William Saletan (Slate)
Bernie Sanders (I-VT)
Gerald Seib (Wall Street Journal)
Daniel Schorr (NPR)
Ike Skelton (D-MO)
George Soros (Open Society Institute)
Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, Jr. (New York Times)
Ellen Tauscher (D-CA)
David Tell (Weekly Standard)
John Warner (R-VA)
Caspar Weinberger (Forbes Magazine)
George Will (columnist)





COMPILED BY
Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr.





Tariq Ali (The Independent)
Michael R. Allen (Spintech Magazine)
Andrew J. Bacevich (Boston University)
Doug Bandow (Copley Newspapers)
Klaus Becker (We the People of Nebraska)
Art Bell (Art Bell Radio Show)
Jim Bell (Jim Bell Radio Show)
Tony Benn (British Parliament)
David Bergland (Libertarian Party)
Tom Bethell (American Spectator)
Michael Bliss (University of Toronto)
Samuel L. Blumenfeld (Chalcedon Magazine)
Burton S. Blumert (LibertarianStudies.org)
Alan Bock (Orange County Register)
Neal Boortz (Neal Boortz Radio Show)
Mark Brady (peace activist)
Phil Brennan (Wednesday on the Web)
David M. Bresnahan (WorldNetDaily.com)
Harold O.J. Brown (Reformed Theological Seminary)
Thad Brown (peace activist)
Harry Browne (Harry Browne Radio Show)
Gene Burns (Gene Burns Radio Show)
Jason Butler (The Butler Report)
Pat Buchanan (American Cause)
Gerald A. Carroll (columnist)
Ted Galen Carpenter (Cato Institute)
Howey Carr (Howey Carr Radio Show)
Helen Chenoweth (R-ID)
Noam Chomsky (MIT)
Alan Clark (British Parliament)
Ramsey Clark (International Action Center)
Alexander Cockburn (The Nation)
Ada Coddington (conservative activist)
Charles W. Colson (Prison Fellowship Ministries)
Sandra Crosnoe (Associated Conservatives of Texas)
John Dear (Fellowship of Reconciliation)
John V. Denson (Mises Institute)
Thomas DiLorenzo (Loyola College)
John D'Aloia, Jr. (St. Mary's Star)
Jack DeVault (author, The Waco Whitewash)
John Doggett (John Doggett Radio Show)
Bob Djurdjevic (TruthinMedia.org)
Jim Eason (Jim Eason Radio Show)
Rev. David Eberhard (Historic Trinity Lutheran Church)
Lou Epton (Lou Epton Radio Show)
Barry Farber (Barry Farber Radio Show)
Joseph Farah (WorldNetDaily.com)
Don Feder (Boston Herald)
Doug Fiedor (Heads Up)
Robert Fisk (The Independent)
Thomas Fleming (Chronicles Magazine)
Kerry Fox (News-Minute.com)
Samuel Francis (Foundation Endowment)
Eric Garris (Antiwar.com)
David Gold (David Gold Radio Show)
William Norman Grigg (New American Magazine)
Paul Gottfried (Elizabethtown College)
Kevin Michael Grace (BC Report)
Bob Grant (Bob Grant Radio Show)
Steven Greenhut (Orange County Register)
Bishop Thomas Gumbleton (Archdiocese of Detroit)
David H. Hackworth (Defending America)
Ken Hamblin (Ken Hamblin Radio Show)
Sean Hannity (Fox News)
Chuck Harder (For the People)
Robert Hayden (University of Pittsburgh)
Lord Healey (British House of Lords)
Nat Hentoff (civil liberties activist)
Edward S. Herman (Temple University)
Robert Higgs (Independent Review)
James Hill (James Hill's Weekly)
Michael Hill (League of the South)
Arriana Huffington (Ctr for the Study of Popular Culture)
Sam Husseini (Institute for Public Accuracy)
Simon Jenkins (The Times of London)
Pope John Paul II
Diana Johnstone (Z Magazine)
Barrett Kalellis (Detroit News)
Kathy Kelly (Voices in the Wilderness)
Martin Kelley (NonViolence.org)
Michael Kelly (National Journal)
Jack Kemp (Empower America)
George Kenney (In These Times)
Alan Keyes (Alan Keyes Radio Show)
Michael T. Klare (Hampshire College)
Christian E. Kopff (University of Colorado)
Christopher Layne (MacArthur Peace Fellow)
Barbara Lee (D-CA)
Edward Luttwak (Atlantic Monthly)
David MacReynolds (War Resisters League)
Scott McConnell (New York Press)
Cynthia McKinney (D-GA)
Jack McManus (John Birch Society)
Veran Matic (Radio B-92)
Dan Meredith (Dixie Rising Radio)
Geoff Metcalf (Geoff Metcalf Radio Show)
Laura Mildon (Mad Dog News)
Joel Miller (Real Mensch)
Zoran Milutinovic (Wesleyan University)
Paul Miniato (Canadian libertarian activist)
Betty Molchany (peace activist)
Carol Moore (peace activist)
Jay Moore (Jay's Leftist Internet Resources)
Melanie Morgan (Lee Rogers Radio Show)
Mary Mostert (OriginalSources.com)
Mancow Muller (Mancow Muller Radio Show)
Lars Erik Nelson (New York Daily News)
Robby Noel (American Freedom Network)
Oliver North (Oliver North Radio Show)
Bob Novak (Chicago Sun Times)
Vince Page (columnist)
Camile Paglia (Salon Magazine)
Matthew Parris (The Spectator of London)
Ron Paul (R-TX)
Svetozar Pejovic (Texas A&M)
Howard Phillips (Conservative Caucus)
Stephen Presser (Northwestern University)
Jim Quinn (Quinn in the Morning Radio Show)
Ralph Raico (Buffalo State College)
Justin Raimondo (peace activist)
Charley Reese (Orlando Sentinel)
Lord Rees-Mogg (British House of Lords)
Sheldon Richman (Future of Freedom Foundation)
David E. Rockett (Agrarian Foundation)
Thomas Roeser (Chicago Sun-Times)
Lee Rogers (Lee Rogers Radio Show)
A.M. Rosenthal (New York Times)
Edward Said (Columbia University)
Alex Salmond (Scottish National Party)
Debra J. Saunders (San Francisco Chronicle)
Michael Savage (Michael Savage Radio Show)
Phyllis Schlafly (Eagle Forum)
Helmut Schmidt (former German chancellor)
Benjamin Schwarz (Atlantic Monthly)
Mark Scott (Mark Scott Radio Show)
John Seiler (Orange County Register)
Jay Severin (MS-NBC)
Ariel Sharon (Israeli Parliament)
Barbara Simpson (Barbara Simpson Radio Show)
Nancy Small (Pax Christi U.S.A.)
Bob Smith (R-NH)
Julianne Smith (British American Security Information Council)
Ron Smith (Ron Smith Radio Show)
Sam Smith (Progressive Review)
Tony Snow (Detroit News)
Joe Sobran (The Wanderer)
Norman Solomon (Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting)
Thomas Sowell (Hoover Institution)
Norman Stone (University of Istanbul)
Michael Stoudenmire (peace activist)
Clifford Thies (Republican Liberty Caucus)
G. C. Thomas (Marquette University)
Doug Thompson (CapitolHillBlue.com)
Srdja Trifkovic (Lord Byron Foundation for Balkan Studies) R. Emmett Tyrrell, Jr. (American Spectator)
Jon Basil Utley (IraqWar.org)
Tom Walls (peace activist)
Jude Wanniski (Polyconomics.com)
Paul Weyrich (Free Congress Foundation) Timothy J. Wheeler (conservative activist) Carl Wiglesworth (Carl Wiglesworth Radio Show)
Rev. J. Steven Wilkins (Auburn Avenue Presbyterian Church)
Walter Williams (George Mason University)
Garry Wills (Johns Hopkins University)
Douglas Wilson (Credenda)
Jerry Zeifman (WorldNetDaily.com)

VoluntaryAmerican
12-28-2013, 11:49 AM
What about "Weekly Standarad" and "Washingtom Times" and "The Telegraph", when are they coming out with neocon of the year list?



But Clinton operators like James Carville (The Hill) probably will push neocon-wing Tea Party hatters like Ted Cruz to ensure opposition is controlled too.

"The Hill" editor Hugo Gurdon is not a "journalist" but more like a pro war activist. Who could forget this famous list by Lew Rockwell.






IN FAVOR OF THE WAR

OPPOSED TO THE WAR



David Aaronovitch (The Independent)
Christiane Amanpour (CNN)
Larry Arnn (Claremont Institute)
William Bartley (Wall Street Journal)
Joe Biden (D-DE)
John R. Bolton (American Enterprise Institute)
Max Boot (Wall Street Journal)
Zbigniew Brzezinski (lobbyist)
Winston Churchill, Jr. (British Parliament)
Eliot A. Cohen (Johns Hopkins University)
Chris Cox (D-CA)
Bob Dole (lobbyist)
Eliot Engel (D-NY)
Steve Forbes (Forbes Magazine)
Thomas Friedman (New York Times)
John Fund (Wall Street Journal)
Paul Gigot (Wall Street Journal)
Jonah Goldberg (National Review)
Katharine Graham (Washington Post)
Hugo Gurdon (London Telegraph)
Chuck Hagel (R-NE)
William Hague (British Parliament)
David Hart (London Times)
John Hillen (Center for Strategic and International Studies)
Bruce Herschensohn (Claremont Institute)
Albert R. Hunt (Wall Street Journal)
Jesse Jackson (liberal activist)
Bianca Jagger (celebrity)
Robert Kagan (Carnegie Endowment for International Peace)
Robert D. Kaplan (Atlantic Monthly)
Garry Kasparov (Wall Street Journal)
Henry Kissinger (lobbyist)
William Kristol (Weekly Standard)
Tom Lantos (D-CA)
Joseph Lieberman (D-CT)
Richard Lugar (R-IN)
John McCain (R-AZ)
George Melloan (Wall Street Journal)
Dick Morris (NY Post)
Gerold Nadler (D-NY)
Kate O'Beirne (National Review)
William Odom (Hudson Institute)
Michael O'Hanlon (Brookings Institute)
Andrea Petersen (Wall Street Journal)
John Podhoretz (New York Post)
Ellen Joan Pollock (Wall Street Journal)
Ramesh Poneru (National Review)
David Pryce-Jones (National Review)
Therese Rafael (Wall Street Journal Europe)
Howell Raines (New York Times)
Vanessa Redgrave (actress)
David Rieff (Salon)
William Safire (New York Times)
William Saletan (Slate)
Bernie Sanders (I-VT)
Gerald Seib (Wall Street Journal)
Daniel Schorr (NPR)
Ike Skelton (D-MO)
George Soros (Open Society Institute)
Arthur Ochs Sulzberger, Jr. (New York Times)
Ellen Tauscher (D-CA)
David Tell (Weekly Standard)
John Warner (R-VA)
Caspar Weinberger (Forbes Magazine)
George Will (columnist)





COMPILED BY
Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr.





Tariq Ali (The Independent)
Michael R. Allen (Spintech Magazine)
Andrew J. Bacevich (Boston University)
Doug Bandow (Copley Newspapers)
Klaus Becker (We the People of Nebraska)
Art Bell (Art Bell Radio Show)
Jim Bell (Jim Bell Radio Show)
Tony Benn (British Parliament)
David Bergland (Libertarian Party)
Tom Bethell (American Spectator)
Michael Bliss (University of Toronto)
Samuel L. Blumenfeld (Chalcedon Magazine)
Burton S. Blumert (LibertarianStudies.org)
Alan Bock (Orange County Register)
Neal Boortz (Neal Boortz Radio Show)
Mark Brady (peace activist)
Phil Brennan (Wednesday on the Web)
David M. Bresnahan (WorldNetDaily.com)
Harold O.J. Brown (Reformed Theological Seminary)
Thad Brown (peace activist)
Harry Browne (Harry Browne Radio Show)
Gene Burns (Gene Burns Radio Show)
Jason Butler (The Butler Report)
Pat Buchanan (American Cause)
Gerald A. Carroll (columnist)
Ted Galen Carpenter (Cato Institute)
Howey Carr (Howey Carr Radio Show)
Helen Chenoweth (R-ID)
Noam Chomsky (MIT)
Alan Clark (British Parliament)
Ramsey Clark (International Action Center)
Alexander Cockburn (The Nation)
Ada Coddington (conservative activist)
Charles W. Colson (Prison Fellowship Ministries)
Sandra Crosnoe (Associated Conservatives of Texas)
John Dear (Fellowship of Reconciliation)
John V. Denson (Mises Institute)
Thomas DiLorenzo (Loyola College)
John D'Aloia, Jr. (St. Mary's Star)
Jack DeVault (author, The Waco Whitewash)
John Doggett (John Doggett Radio Show)
Bob Djurdjevic (TruthinMedia.org)
Jim Eason (Jim Eason Radio Show)
Rev. David Eberhard (Historic Trinity Lutheran Church)
Lou Epton (Lou Epton Radio Show)
Barry Farber (Barry Farber Radio Show)
Joseph Farah (WorldNetDaily.com)
Don Feder (Boston Herald)
Doug Fiedor (Heads Up)
Robert Fisk (The Independent)
Thomas Fleming (Chronicles Magazine)
Kerry Fox (News-Minute.com)
Samuel Francis (Foundation Endowment)
Eric Garris (Antiwar.com)
David Gold (David Gold Radio Show)
William Norman Grigg (New American Magazine)
Paul Gottfried (Elizabethtown College)
Kevin Michael Grace (BC Report)
Bob Grant (Bob Grant Radio Show)
Steven Greenhut (Orange County Register)
Bishop Thomas Gumbleton (Archdiocese of Detroit)
David H. Hackworth (Defending America)
Ken Hamblin (Ken Hamblin Radio Show)
Sean Hannity (Fox News)
Chuck Harder (For the People)
Robert Hayden (University of Pittsburgh)
Lord Healey (British House of Lords)
Nat Hentoff (civil liberties activist)
Edward S. Herman (Temple University)
Robert Higgs (Independent Review)
James Hill (James Hill's Weekly)
Michael Hill (League of the South)
Arriana Huffington (Ctr for the Study of Popular Culture)
Sam Husseini (Institute for Public Accuracy)
Simon Jenkins (The Times of London)
Pope John Paul II
Diana Johnstone (Z Magazine)
Barrett Kalellis (Detroit News)
Kathy Kelly (Voices in the Wilderness)
Martin Kelley (NonViolence.org)
Michael Kelly (National Journal)
Jack Kemp (Empower America)
George Kenney (In These Times)
Alan Keyes (Alan Keyes Radio Show)
Michael T. Klare (Hampshire College)
Christian E. Kopff (University of Colorado)
Christopher Layne (MacArthur Peace Fellow)
Barbara Lee (D-CA)
Edward Luttwak (Atlantic Monthly)
David MacReynolds (War Resisters League)
Scott McConnell (New York Press)
Cynthia McKinney (D-GA)
Jack McManus (John Birch Society)
Veran Matic (Radio B-92)
Dan Meredith (Dixie Rising Radio)
Geoff Metcalf (Geoff Metcalf Radio Show)
Laura Mildon (Mad Dog News)
Joel Miller (Real Mensch)
Zoran Milutinovic (Wesleyan University)
Paul Miniato (Canadian libertarian activist)
Betty Molchany (peace activist)
Carol Moore (peace activist)
Jay Moore (Jay's Leftist Internet Resources)
Melanie Morgan (Lee Rogers Radio Show)
Mary Mostert (OriginalSources.com)
Mancow Muller (Mancow Muller Radio Show)
Lars Erik Nelson (New York Daily News)
Robby Noel (American Freedom Network)
Oliver North (Oliver North Radio Show)
Bob Novak (Chicago Sun Times)
Vince Page (columnist)
Camile Paglia (Salon Magazine)
Matthew Parris (The Spectator of London)
Ron Paul (R-TX)
Svetozar Pejovic (Texas A&M)
Howard Phillips (Conservative Caucus)
Stephen Presser (Northwestern University)
Jim Quinn (Quinn in the Morning Radio Show)
Ralph Raico (Buffalo State College)
Justin Raimondo (peace activist)
Charley Reese (Orlando Sentinel)
Lord Rees-Mogg (British House of Lords)
Sheldon Richman (Future of Freedom Foundation)
David E. Rockett (Agrarian Foundation)
Thomas Roeser (Chicago Sun-Times)
Lee Rogers (Lee Rogers Radio Show)
A.M. Rosenthal (New York Times)
Edward Said (Columbia University)
Alex Salmond (Scottish National Party)
Debra J. Saunders (San Francisco Chronicle)
Michael Savage (Michael Savage Radio Show)
Phyllis Schlafly (Eagle Forum)
Helmut Schmidt (former German chancellor)
Benjamin Schwarz (Atlantic Monthly)
Mark Scott (Mark Scott Radio Show)
John Seiler (Orange County Register)
Jay Severin (MS-NBC)
Ariel Sharon (Israeli Parliament)
Barbara Simpson (Barbara Simpson Radio Show)
Nancy Small (Pax Christi U.S.A.)
Bob Smith (R-NH)
Julianne Smith (British American Security Information Council)
Ron Smith (Ron Smith Radio Show)
Sam Smith (Progressive Review)
Tony Snow (Detroit News)
Joe Sobran (The Wanderer)
Norman Solomon (Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting)
Thomas Sowell (Hoover Institution)
Norman Stone (University of Istanbul)
Michael Stoudenmire (peace activist)
Clifford Thies (Republican Liberty Caucus)
G. C. Thomas (Marquette University)
Doug Thompson (CapitolHillBlue.com)
Srdja Trifkovic (Lord Byron Foundation for Balkan Studies) R. Emmett Tyrrell, Jr. (American Spectator)
Jon Basil Utley (IraqWar.org)
Tom Walls (peace activist)
Jude Wanniski (Polyconomics.com)
Paul Weyrich (Free Congress Foundation) Timothy J. Wheeler (conservative activist) Carl Wiglesworth (Carl Wiglesworth Radio Show)
Rev. J. Steven Wilkins (Auburn Avenue Presbyterian Church)
Walter Williams (George Mason University)
Garry Wills (Johns Hopkins University)
Douglas Wilson (Credenda)
Jerry Zeifman (WorldNetDaily.com)



Were these people in favor of both Iraq and Afghanistan wars?

HOLLYWOOD
12-28-2013, 12:08 PM
Wow, that was held in the US Senate building, according to the "Marble walls and US Senate flag"... nice to see what groups are spending money... on themselves. Ted Cruz is bought and paid for, like the rest of the behemoth duopoly.

Let's reflect what this is all truly about... MONEY


http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?426415-Adelson-New-Obama-Ally-as-Jewish-Groups-Back-Syria-Strike&p=5210080&viewfull=1#post5210080
They own both parties... that's why there's been a policy coup at the Federal government level... which means WARS for Israel and obviously reflects the, 'Party of One'.

All you need to know: Sheldon Adelson alone, bought $150+ million worth of Republican/GOP government politicians. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthr...=1#post5204458 (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?425974-O-Bomb-Ya-to-make-Syria-statement&p=5204458&viewfull=1#post5204458)

Top 5 Pro-Israel/Zionists donors bought almost $1/4 of a BILLION in Republican/GOP officials/PACS/Lobbyists/policies, just in the 2012 election year. The money is laundered through "middle men" like GOP presidential candidate Newt Gingrich and Karl Rove, with PACs like Crossroads GPS.

Sheldon Adelson: $150 Million
http://www.publicintegrity.org/2012/...heldon-adelson (http://www.publicintegrity.org/2012/03/20/8465/donor-profile-sheldon-adelson)

Harold Simmons: $40 Million
http://www.publicintegrity.org/2012/...harold-simmons (http://www.publicintegrity.org/2012/03/20/8460/donor-profile-harold-simmons)

Bob Perry: $24 Million
http://www.publicintegrity.org/2012/...file-bob-perry (http://www.publicintegrity.org/2012/03/20/8466/donor-profile-bob-perry)

Joe Ricketts: $13.1 Million
http://www.publicintegrity.org/2012/...n-joe-ricketts (http://www.publicintegrity.org/2012/10/23/11606/donor-profile-john-joe-ricketts)


AND... buying the Democrats too

Fred Eychaner: $20 Million
http://www.publicintegrity.org/2012/...-fred-eychaner (http://www.publicintegrity.org/2012/07/30/10460/donor-profile-fred-eychaner)

The list of buying Washington DC: http://www.publicintegrity.org/polit...e/super-donors (http://www.publicintegrity.org/politics/consider-source/super-donors)

enhanced_deficit
12-28-2013, 12:29 PM
On a side note, why no Nobel Peace prize for Ted Cruz so far?

http://www.issuesandalibis.org/Kanye_Obama_Peace_Prize.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=Vl5oYU3T5YaXaM&tbnid=iMvxUYAb4fcZdM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.issuesandalibis.org%2F091313. html&ei=JVe_Uvu3N4qhkQfu-IHQDw&bvm=bv.58187178,d.eW0&psig=AFQjCNGU9sgSARrlx4TOkZDkcwFxq-aBhg&ust=1388357724284738)





Were these people in favor of both Iraq and Afghanistan wars?

That list was about Iraq war. And it is about Money as nicely put in post below.


Wow, that was held in the US Senate building, according to the "Marble walls and US Senate flag"... nice to see what groups are spending money... on themselves. Ted Cruz is bought and paid for, like the rest of the behemoth duopoly.

Let's reflect what this is all truly about... MONEY


http://iraqwar.org/list-conservatives.htm

Jack Kemp, Ron Paul, Llewellan Rockwell, Robert Novak, Pat Buchanan, John McLaughlin, Howard Phillips, Joseph Sobran, Jude Wannisky, Doug Bandow, Col. David Hackworth, Stephen Chapman (and many more--see Lew Rockwell's LONG LIST BELOW followed by sample columns they wrote)
Coming Out against bombing Iraq (it was easier against bombing Kosovo) was very difficult for many conservatives. Most really believe Washington knows best what is good for the world and like the idea of a big military presence. (Strangely, their questioning of "Big Government" competence ends at the waters' edge). Others follow the lead of Bush and Forbes who supported bombing Serbia.
Then there is the big factor of money. Particularly among think tanks, many large ones depend upon the big "Neo-Conservative" dominated foundations (Bradley, Scaife, Olin) which are sqarely for interventions. Others get donations from large defense contractors who make billions from Saudi and Gulf dictator states which buy vast amounts of weapons (which they then bury in warehouses in the sand because they so much fear their own populations and militaries). As the foundations fund many good projects, think tank directors justify that the trade off is well worth while, especially considering how peripheral foreign affairs are for most Americans. Very few Americans dared stand up on the issue of blockading or bombing Iraq. CATO did at the time of the First Iraq War, and lost close to a million dollars of funding directly therefrom. Others have close ties to the military and CIA/FBI from the old cold war days, organizations which thrive as they must grow to guard against more and more of the enemies Washington creates. What better than making much of the Moslem and now Slavic worlds into enemies? We might even be able to make China into one too. Already their budgets have increased by billions since Clinton's new bombings. One should also single out the courageous LUDWIG VON MISES INSTITUTE (http://www.vonmises.org) in Auburn, Alabama for its standing up against these financial pressures ever since the First Iraq war.
Other conservatives can't bring themselves to criticize anything the military does. They think it would be disloyal to America or to our "fighting" men (and women). Others still think in terms of communists, others just feel good showing the world that America is tough and can "win" wars. Most Republican establishment Senators (e.g. Dole, Lugar, Helms, Hatch, Warner) support wars. Freshmen and Sophomore Congressmen voted overwhelmingly against bombing Kosovo. Most of the Washington establishment thrives upon and supports bombings, see the Beltway Bombers (http://www.iraqwar.org/beltwaybombers.htm).
In private conversations many conservatives express reservations about Washington's foreign military adventures, but they fear to do so publicly. Equally many journalists, other than the biggest names, couldn't get through the "neo-conservative curtain (http://iraqwar.org/point3.htm)" to get published in conservative magazines with views such as we present on this site. (Kosovo broke the "neo-con" monopoly and control for a while, now the WASHINGTON TIMES, for example, has reverted back to its heavy support for interventionism) Consequently we honor the especial courage of this who stood up on this issue.

compromise
12-28-2013, 01:18 PM
No, they want weak willed folk like you and compromise and captlou to push the Cristie fear enough where regular folks are clamoring for the trojan horse Cruz to save them as 'the one that can win against the establishment candidate'. While all the time he's an establishment man through and through.

There's little evidence that he's an establishment man other than some wild conspiracy theories. Why would an establishment man antagonize the establishment? Why is Rubio's strategy so different from Cruz's? Are you suggesting that all of them are just puppets of the TPTB, willing to do anything they say, even if it means a act on Shakespearean levels without any ideology or ambitions of their own?

Enhanced_deficit, you're like a McCarthyist for neocons. You seem them everywhere and think anyone who disagrees with you on foreign policy is one. Are you obsessed with them? Also, did you know that Ron was endorsed by PNAC signer Steve Forbes when he ran for Congress in 1996?

belian78
12-28-2013, 01:21 PM
There's little evidence that he's an establishment man other than some wild conspiracy theories. Why would an establishment man antagonize the establishment? Why is Rubio's strategy so different from Cruz's? Are you suggesting that all of them are just puppets of the TPTB, willing to do anything they say, even if it means a act on Shakespearean levels without any ideology or ambitions of their own?

Enhanced_deficit, you're like a McCarthyist for neocons. You seem them everywhere and think anyone who disagrees with you on foreign policy is one. Are you obsessed with them? Also, did you know that Ron was endorsed by PNAC signer Steve Forbes when he ran for Congress in 1996?
Wild conspiracy theories?? LoL Right on.

FrankRep
12-28-2013, 01:33 PM
No, they want weak willed folk like you and compromise and captlou to push the Cristie fear enough where regular folks are clamoring for the trojan horse Cruz to save them as 'the one that can win against the establishment candidate'. While all the time he's an establishment man through and through.

The establishment knows that Ted Cruz would not appeal to the general public, but Chris Christie would. Chris Christie will be the pick.


This will be your choice:

Chris Christie vs. Hillary Clinton

compromise
12-28-2013, 01:36 PM
Wild conspiracy theories?? LoL Right on.

Wife has a mid level job at the Texas branch of Goldman Sachs -> Cruz is controlled by the Fed?
How do you guys get to that conclusion?

Warlord
12-28-2013, 01:38 PM
The establishment knows that Ted Cruz would not appeal to the general public, but Chris Christie would. Chris Christie will be the pick.


This will be your choice:

Chris Christie vs. Hillary Clinton

Christie has to get through the primary first where we can defeat him with Rand Paul not the pandering phoney Cruz

FrankRep
12-28-2013, 01:44 PM
Wife has a mid level job at the Texas branch of Goldman Sachs -> Cruz is controlled by the Fed?
How do you guys get to that conclusion?

The Columbus, Ohio Ron Paul 2008 leader was a Manager at a JP Morgan Chase Bank. Is he Controlled by the Fed?

It's silly to attack someone based on there they work.


Jason Rink on Greta Van Susteren (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoiafNBzNls)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoiafNBzNls
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoiafNBzNls



Ron Paul: Father of the Tea Party (http://tinyurl.com/mw3dh9k)

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51n%2BEjTZP5L.jpg (http://tinyurl.com/mw3dh9k)

jjdoyle
12-28-2013, 01:44 PM
Ted Cruz endorsed Rick Perry last year for president. He's no friend of liberty just a self-serving politician

And? Rand endorsed Mitt Romney, and now Mitch McConnell. Difference? At least Rick Perry said he was curious about the Fed stuff in a debate, maybe that is why Cruz endorsed him, and is playing the game?

AngryCanadian
12-28-2013, 03:56 PM
Were these people in favor of both Iraq and Afghanistan wars?
Yes.

devil21
12-28-2013, 04:16 PM
There's little evidence that he's an establishment man other than some wild conspiracy theories. Why would an establishment man antagonize the establishment? Why is Rubio's strategy so different from Cruz's? Are you suggesting that all of them are just puppets of the TPTB, willing to do anything they say, even if it means a act on Shakespearean levels without any ideology or ambitions of their own?

Controlled opposition is a common strategy once large groups of people start pushing back. Cruz is the definition of controlled opposition. His bio is not a conspiracy theory. His Goldman Sachs and CFR connection is not a conspiracy theory. His speech contents about attacking Iran on behalf of Israel are not conspiracy theories. Etc etc. Cruz most certainly is a puppet....even in the off-chance he doesn't realize it yet. Once you start throwing out the tinfoil hat allegations you expose yourself and your agenda here. Who's paying you to post here?



Enhanced_deficit, you're like a McCarthyist for neocons. You seem them everywhere and think anyone who disagrees with you on foreign policy is one. Are you obsessed with them? Also, did you know that Ron was endorsed by PNAC signer Steve Forbes when he ran for Congress in 1996?

See my sig about shills to understand compromise's goal here.

--------------
ON TOPIC: There's obviously a coordinated effort among media outlets to push Cruz and that alone should raise eyebrows for anyone that watched how these same media outlets purposely marginalized and mocked Ron. This is also NOT a new tactic. Anybody remember "Journolist"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JournoList

NIU Students for Liberty
12-28-2013, 04:29 PM
The establishment wants Chris Christie. Just remember that.

And it helps having candidates like Cruz dilute the votes that would otherwise go to Rand, just like what happened to Ron with the inclusion of Bachmann, Cain, Gingrich, etc.

compromise
12-28-2013, 04:40 PM
Who's paying you to post here?


Ron Paul, Rand Paul and Alex Jones also support Ted Cruz. Who's paying them?

devil21
12-28-2013, 04:49 PM
Ron Paul, Rand Paul and Alex Jones also support Ted Cruz. Who's paying them?

Endorsements before someone is elected is a little like saying voting for the "no nation building" GWB of 2000 means you also supported the Iraq invasion.

But go ahead and answer my question. Who's paying you to post here?

compromise
12-28-2013, 04:57 PM
Endorsements before someone is elected is a little like saying voting for the "no nation building" GWB of 2000 means you also supported the Iraq invasion.


Alex Jones "endorsed" Cruz in mid-May 2013, 5 months after he came into office.

enhanced_deficit
12-28-2013, 05:00 PM
Alex Jones "endorsed" Cruz in mid-May 2013, 5 months after he came into office.

Where do you stand on NSA snooping, Syria invasion, Iran war, TSA gropes at stadiums/air ports/malls etc? Are you with Cruzer on these issues?



Cruz even might be worse than Obama but not sure on that yet.

Ted Cruz attacks Obama for not fully funding NSA spying during shutdown (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?429390-Ted-Cruz-attacks-Obama-for-not-fully-funding-NSA-spying-during-shutdown&)


Ted Cruz wants US troops to invade Syria (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?425907-Will-Kerry-McCain-Rafael-Ted-Cruz-succeed-in-selling-Syria-military-intervention&)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...83YwkLAp0#t=39 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=rx83YwkLAp0#t=39)

“We know Assad has used these weapons, and there is good reason to suspect the al Qaida-affiliated rebels would use them as well if they could get their hands on them. This poses an intolerable threat not only to our friends in the region, but also to the United States. We need to be developing a clear, practical plan to go in, locate the weapons, secure or destroy them, and then get out. The United States should be firmly in the lead to make sure the job is done right.”- Rafael Cruz

HOUSTON, TX — U.S. Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) released the following statement regarding Syria:

Today, the legislative bodies of two of our closest allies are engaged in emergency meetings on the prospect of military engagement in Syria. In Great Britain, Prime Minister David Cameron has called the House of Commons home from vacation to deliberate over the use of force in Syria. In Israel, the Knesset’s Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee is reviewing potential responses should Israel be attacked in the fallout over action in Syria.

In Washington, DC, crickets are chirping.
It may be that there is a compelling case to be made that intervention in Syria is necessary to defend U.S. interests.

http://therightscoop.com/ted-cruz-crickets-are-chirping-in-washington-while-israel-and-great-britain-are-debating-syria/




Ted Cruz’s speech at John Hagee's Christians United for Israel (CUFI) Washington Summit (http://therightscoop.com/full-speech-ted-cruzs-speech-on-israel-at-2013-cufi-washington-summit/)

Video: CUFI's Pastor John Hagee Praying for more War in the name of Jesus (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?426011-Video-CUFI-s-Pastor-John-Hagee-Praying-for-more-War-in-the-name-of-Jesus&)

John McCain had rejected Hagee's endorsement in 2008 after vids were leaked showing Hagee calling Hitler "God's hunter" and comparing Catholic religion to "The Beast". Recently, controversial senator Ted Cruz was a featured speaker at CUFI Zionists rally and called John Hagee a "great guy".


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udBM22ZhxBI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udBM22ZhxBI

Ted Cruzer showboating prayer to cultivate Iran war:

compromise
12-28-2013, 05:04 PM
Cruz has frequently expressed opposition to NSA surveillance and described Snowden as having "done a considerable public service" for his leaks. There's little proof his comments on the shutdown and national security were directly connected to the NSA's surveillance programs.

Can you source your claims about Cruz's support for the TSA?

FrankRep
12-28-2013, 05:06 PM
Where do you stand on NSA snooping, Syria invasion, Iran war, TSA gropes at stadiums/air ports/malls etc? Are you with Cruzer on these issues?


Ted Cruz, Rand Paul praise NSA court ruling (http://www.unitedliberty.org/articles/15940-ted-cruz-rand-paul-praise-nsa-court-ruling)


Dec. 18, 2013


The preliminary federal court ruling issued on Monday which found the National Security Agency’s bulk data collection program to likely be unconstitutional (http://www.unitedliberty.org/articles/15937-us-district-court-judge-nsa-mass-surveillance-program-likely-unconstitutional) has drawn bipartisan praise from several civil liberties advocates (http://www.politico.com/story/2013/12/nsa-ruling-hill-reaction-101220.html) on Capitol Hill.

Among the politicians praising the ruling were Sens. Ted Cruz (R-TX) and Rand Paul (R-KY), both potential contenders for the Republican presidential nomination in 2016.

“The government has no business conducting overbroad surveillance of ordinary, law-abiding citizens. At the same time, we must provide for national security and thwart terrorist plots against our homeland and our citizens,” said Cruz via a statement (http://www.cruz.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=724), adding that the Obama Administration “seems to consistently favor undermining the rights of law-abiding Americans.”

green73
12-28-2013, 05:06 PM
http://assets0.ordienetworks.com/misc/BUSHYCrying.gif

devil21
12-28-2013, 05:12 PM
Alex Jones "endorsed" Cruz in mid-May 2013, 5 months after he came into office.

Like I give a shit who AJ endorses. He's also on my controlled opposition list. I was talking about the Pauls.

So you're not going to answer my question in any form? Not even a denial?

enhanced_deficit
12-28-2013, 05:17 PM
Cruz has frequently expressed opposition to NSA surveillance and described Snowden as having "done a considerable public service" for his leaks. There's little proof his comments on the shutdown and national security were directly connected to the NSA's surveillance programs.

Can you source your claims about Cruz's support for the TSA?

You did not answer the questions, where do YOU stand on these issues? Are you aligned with Ted Cruz on stances I cited?

Anyone who supports bombing of other countries automatically suppports defending US stadium/shopping malls/airports from underwear bombers but that is a secondary point. Lets start with stances cited.






Ted Cruz, Rand Paul praise NSA court ruling (http://www.unitedliberty.org/articles/15940-ted-cruz-rand-paul-praise-nsa-court-ruling)


Dec. 18, 2013



They are not same despite some posturing by both.

Rand:

“The NSA phone surveillance program is a blatant abuse of power and an invasion of our privacy. This ruling reminds the Federal government that it is not above the law. I will continue to fight against the violations of American’s Constitutional rights through illegal phone surveillance until it is stopped once and for all,” he (Rand Paul) added.


Cruzer:

Ted Cruz attacks Obama for not fully funding NSA spying during shutdown (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?429390-Ted-Cruz-attacks-Obama-for-not-fully-funding-NSA-spying-during-shutdown&)


Ted Cruz wants US troops to invade Syria


Pro-surveillance senators (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?425907-Will-Kerry-McCain-Rafael-Ted-Cruz-succeed-in-selling-Syria-military-intervention&)criticized (http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/326193-ted-cruz-warns-shutdown-could-allow-for-terrorist-attacks) the move, saying that the DNI’s lawyers should’ve prevented such large-scale layoffs, with Sen. Ted Cruz (R – TX) saying that the shutdown left the US vulnerable to terrorist attack, adding “I don’t believe President Obama should be playing politics with this.”
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) said Wednesday that intelligence community leaders' testimony about the impact of the government shutdown was "deeply disturbing," accusing Obama of "playing politics" with national security.

"The person who should be most out front correcting this is our commander in chief, and I don't believe President Obama should be playing politics with this," Cruz said at a Senate Judiciary Committee oversight hearing on the National Security Agency's intelligence collection. "He should be stepping forward to correct this problem right now."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4030847.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/02/ted-cruz-nsa_n_4030847.html)

(http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?425907-Will-Kerry-McCain-Rafael-Ted-Cruz-succeed-in-selling-Syria-military-intervention&)

FrankRep
12-28-2013, 05:26 PM
Ted Cruz wants US troops to invade Syria (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?425907-Will-Kerry-McCain-Rafael-Ted-Cruz-succeed-in-selling-Syria-military-intervention&)

What Ted Cruz Actually said:


Sen. Ted Cruz with Sean Hannity on Syria (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTLEbbvE_x8)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTLEbbvE_x8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTLEbbvE_x8

kathy88
12-28-2013, 05:28 PM
So.... Who else is actually looking forward to Teddy going Benedict Arnold just to shut some of these people up? I certainly am.

enhanced_deficit
12-28-2013, 05:32 PM
What Ted Cruz Actually said:


Sen. Ted Cruz with Sean Hannity on Syria (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTLEbbvE_x8)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTLEbbvE_x8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTLEbbvE_x8

This is written in black n white what not so bright Ted Cruz said, are you challenging this "hesitant neocon" did not call for US led invasion of Syria?


Ted Cruz wants US troops to invade Syria (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?425907-Will-Kerry-McCain-Rafael-Ted-Cruz-succeed-in-selling-Syria-military-intervention&)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...83YwkLAp0#t=39 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=rx83YwkLAp0#t=39)

“We know Assad has used these weapons, and there is good reason to suspect the al Qaida-affiliated rebels would use them as well if they could get their hands on them. This poses an intolerable threat not only to our friends in the region, but also to the United States. We need to be developing a clear, practical plan to go in, locate the weapons, secure or destroy them, and then get out. The United States should be firmly in the lead to make sure the job is done right.”- Rafael Cruz

HOUSTON, TX — U.S. Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) released the following statement regarding Syria:

Today, the legislative bodies of two of our closest allies are engaged in emergency meetings on the prospect of military engagement in Syria. In Great Britain, Prime Minister David Cameron has called the House of Commons home from vacation to deliberate over the use of force in Syria. In Israel, the Knesset’s Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee is reviewing potential responses should Israel be attacked in the fallout over action in Syria.

In Washington, DC, crickets are chirping.
It may be that there is a compelling case to be made that intervention in Syria is necessary to defend U.S. interests.

http://therightscoop.com/ted-cruz-crickets-are-chirping-in-washington-while-israel-and-great-britain-are-debating-syria/


CNN.com - 'Old Europe' hits back at Rumsfeld - Jan. 24, 2003
Jan 24, 2003 - The U.S. defence minister calls France and Germany 'old', the rest of Europe 'young' and wants a quick war with Iraq. ...
http://mycatbirdseat.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Colin-Powell-chemical-weapons.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=5Vvs0es6y3ooyM&tbnid=R1-DhPwY8JPJUM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmycatbirdseat.com%2F2013%2F02%2F3 6912-the-agony-of-colin-powell-by-william-a-cook-2-vob%2F&ei=RWG_UszJGISekQe3loGoAg&bvm=bv.58187178,d.eW0&psig=AFQjCNGgxplqH96sg02xXLuOeiugFHiNvg&ust=1388360357476368)

Ted Cruz’s speech at John Hagee's Christians United for Israel (CUFI) Washington Summit (http://therightscoop.com/full-speech-ted-cruzs-speech-on-israel-at-2013-cufi-washington-summit/)

Video: CUFI's Pastor John Hagee Praying for more War in the name of Jesus (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?426011-Video-CUFI-s-Pastor-John-Hagee-Praying-for-more-War-in-the-name-of-Jesus&)

compromise
12-28-2013, 05:40 PM
You did not answer the questions, where do YOU stand on these issues? Are you aligned with Ted Cruz on stances I cited?

Anyone who supports bombing of other countries automatically suppports defending US stadium/shopping malls/airports from underwear bombers but that is a secondary point. Lets start with stances cited.







They are not same despite some posturing by both.

Rand:

“The NSA phone surveillance program is a blatant abuse of power and an invasion of our privacy. This ruling reminds the Federal government that it is not above the law. I will continue to fight against the violations of American’s Constitutional rights through illegal phone surveillance until it is stopped once and for all,” he (Rand Paul) added.


Cruzer:

Ted Cruz attacks Obama for not fully funding NSA spying during shutdown (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?429390-Ted-Cruz-attacks-Obama-for-not-fully-funding-NSA-spying-during-shutdown&)


Ted Cruz wants US troops to invade Syria


Pro-surveillance senators (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?425907-Will-Kerry-McCain-Rafael-Ted-Cruz-succeed-in-selling-Syria-military-intervention&)criticized (http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/326193-ted-cruz-warns-shutdown-could-allow-for-terrorist-attacks) the move, saying that the DNI’s lawyers should’ve prevented such large-scale layoffs, with Sen. Ted Cruz (R – TX) saying that the shutdown left the US vulnerable to terrorist attack, adding “I don’t believe President Obama should be playing politics with this.”
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) said Wednesday that intelligence community leaders' testimony about the impact of the government shutdown was "deeply disturbing," accusing Obama of "playing politics" with national security.

"The person who should be most out front correcting this is our commander in chief, and I don't believe President Obama should be playing politics with this," Cruz said at a Senate Judiciary Committee oversight hearing on the National Security Agency's intelligence collection. "He should be stepping forward to correct this problem right now."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4030847.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/02/ted-cruz-nsa_n_4030847.html)

(http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?425907-Will-Kerry-McCain-Rafael-Ted-Cruz-succeed-in-selling-Syria-military-intervention&)

I do not believe Ted Cruz supports NSA surveillance. I agree with Ted Cruz that NSA surveillance is unconstitutional. I can't say whether I agree with him on the TSA because he hasn't made a statement on that. I do not agree with him on Iran, I agree with some of his positions on Syria but not all of them. What I can say for sure is that I agree 100% with Senator Ted Cruz on Obamacare, on Ryan-Murray, on the Path to Prosperity, on infinite detention, on Agenda 21, on the UN Small Arms Treaty, on foreign aid to countries that burn our flag, on the Contract from America, on Cut, Cap & Balance, on Audit the Fed, on quantitive easing, on the IRS, on the Department of Education and on flat taxation. I like to focus on what we do agree on, rather than striving for more division.

HOLLYWOOD
12-28-2013, 05:43 PM
And it helps having candidates like Cruz dilute the votes that would otherwise go to Rand, just like what happened to Ron with the inclusion of Bachmann, Cain, Gingrich, etc.Yes indeed... a full blown warmongering Zionist, A Federal Reserve Shill, and last but definitely not least, Mr global interference 'Newt the Progressive Pig' who used $10 Billion to bailout US Banks in Mexico. He's always been Sheldon Adelson's candidate bitch to distract & dilute votes. Remember when Newt went to Europe and Greece during the campaign for vacation? How about when Newt went fundraising for a week in Hawaii for all those conservatives on the islands during his campaign too.

All 3 were there to fool the people and take the votes from true candidates, that threaten the Money Masters and Fascist State.

enhanced_deficit
12-28-2013, 06:00 PM
I do not believe Ted Cruz supports NSA surveillance. I agree with Ted Cruz that NSA surveillance is unconstitutional. I can't say whether I agree with him on the TSA because he hasn't made a statement on that. I do not agree with him on Iran, I agree with some of his positions on Syria but not all of them. What I can say for sure is that I agree 100% with Senator Ted Cruz on Obamacare, on Ryan-Murray, on the Path to Prosperity, on infinite detention, on Agenda 21, on the UN Small Arms Treaty, on foreign aid to countries that burn our flag, on the Contract from America, on Cut, Cap & Balance, on Audit the Fed, on quantitive easing, on the IRS, on the Department of Education and on flat taxation. I like to focus on what we do agree on, rather than striving for more division.

Ok thank you.
I think he is borderline neocon plant on Foreign Policy and that is a big issue.

I do not believe he is intelligent and probably has no clue what caused 9/11 and why WTC1-2-7 no longer exist , why America is going bankrupt financially, is tied up in never-endeing global wars, turning into a police state and why son of a muslim African man is in the White House today.
Do you think he understands the reasons? The way ke knelt in Iran prayer outside White House and spoke at CUFI crazies crowd, I seriously questions his mental faculties soundness. That is why it is hard for me to understand how anyone supporting freedom in US could over look his deadly wrong foreign policy.

FrankRep
12-28-2013, 06:06 PM
why America is going bankrupt financially

Oh, I think Ted Cruz "gets it."


Senator Ted Cruz: “Audit The Fed”
http://benswann.com/senator-ted-cruz-audit-the-fed/


Paul and Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) have latched arms on many occasion, and the two are now teaming up for a strong push to audit the Federal Reserve. Cruz took to his Senate Facebook page to make the announcement. Typical of the new blood in the US Senate, he used a hashtag. #AuditTheFed, Cruz wrote while announcing his teaming up with Paul.
...

According to the Houston Chronicle, Cruz is on board. “I agree with Rand Paul,” wrote Cruz in a statement Wednesday. “We need to bring transparency to the Fed, so the American people can understand the scope and consequences of its policies.”
...

enhanced_deficit
12-28-2013, 06:12 PM
Oh, I think Ted Cruz "gets it."


Senator Ted Cruz: “Audit The Fed”
http://benswann.com/senator-ted-cruz-audit-the-fed/


...

I don't think he would be rallying crowds at CUFI rallies for Iran war if he "gets it". He does not seem like a panderer but good chance that he is genuinely dumb believer like Pastor Hagee.
Do you think Ted Cruz understands causes of 9/11 and all the costs thereafter? I do not think so.

devil21
12-28-2013, 06:13 PM
Strange how reigning in bankers and interventionist foreign policy was the foundation of this forum, RP's campaigns, and the Tea Party movement as a whole yet it's slowly turning into how to "compromise" on those same principles when someone like Cruz comes up. A someone who has no problem with thieving bankers (he's married to one) and is a foreign policy hawk and Israel lobby lackey. Huh? WTF is going on here? Some of us still remember the principles that this movement was started over so Im sorry if I won't "compromise" by giving up those principles to support someone that says some of the right things but hasn't proven a damn thing.

compromise
12-28-2013, 06:16 PM
Ok thank you.
I think he is borderline neocon plant on Foreign Policy and that is a big issue.

I do not believe he is intelligent and probably has no clue what caused 9/11 and why WTC1-2-7 no longer exist , why America is going bankrupt financially, is tied up in never-endeing global wars, turning into a police state and why son of a muslim African man is in the White House today.
Do you think he understands the reasons? The way ke knelt in Iran prayer outside White House and spoke at CUFI crazies crowd, I seriously questions his mental faculties soundness. That is why it is hard for me to understand how anyone supporting freedom in US could over look his deadly wrong foreign policy.

Prior to becoming a Senator, he was one of America's top lawyers and a North American debating champion. You can call Ted Cruz a lot of things, but unintelligent isn't one of them. He appears to understand a good 80% of the reason why America is going bankrupt financially and that makes him light years better than the vast majority of his colleagues.

FrankRep
12-28-2013, 06:22 PM
I don't think he would be rallying crowds at CUFI rallies for Iran war if he "gets it". He does not seem like a panderer but good chance that he is genuinely dumb believer like Pastor Hagee.
Do you think Ted Cruz understands causes of 9/11 and all the costs thereafter? I do not think so.

I've already stated that I don't support Ted Cruz' foreign policy stance, but he's not calling for military action in Iran or Syria. Read his statement closely and stop lying about Ted Cruz.



Ted Cruz: I’m ‘somewhere in between’ McCain and Paul on foreign policy (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/09/11/ted-cruz-im-somewhere-in-between-mccain-and-paul-on-foreign-policy/)


Washington Post
September 11, 2013


Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) said Wednesday he considers his views on foreign policy to be "somewhere in between" the poles of libertarian-leaning Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) and hawkish GOP Sens. John McCain (Ariz.) and Lindsey Graham (S.C.).

"I agree with Rand Paul that we should not intervene militarily in Syria, because it's not in defense of our U.S. national security interests," said Cruz during a question-and-answer session following a speech at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank.

But, Cruz added, he also agrees "with John McCain that if Iran is on the verge of acquiring nuclear weapons that we should intervene militarily to prevent it from acquiring those weapons. Why? Because it is in the vital national security interest of the United States."
...

enhanced_deficit
12-28-2013, 06:23 PM
Prior to becoming a Senator, he was one of America's top lawyers and a North American debating champion. You can call Ted Cruz a lot of things, but unintelligent isn't one of them. He appears to understand a good 80% of the reason why America is going bankrupt financially and that makes him light years better than the vast majority of his colleagues.

I'm not sure being a "top lawyer" proves political leadership intelligenece. By this measure, his mentor below would be even a better political leader than him.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/dersho-liar.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=MbARDP4eXmiByM&tbnid=7fULXGb3r5kuxM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.veteranstoday.com%2F2012%2F01 %2F13%2Falan-dershowitz-attempt-to-destroy-a-memorial-to-martin-luther-king-3%2F&ei=ZC1DUr-MOrG-4AOlpoGoCw&bvm=bv.53077864,d.dmg&psig=AFQjCNEpVBe_4OkSHCCtXtlCWhyeHZHamQ&ust=1380220392637184)
Interesting that Leftwing Neocons like Alan Dershowitz, James Carville and Rightwing Neocons like Beck, Hagee praise him

May 10, 2013
According to a May 9, 2013 story in the Daily Caller, Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas came in for some praise from another unusual source. Alan Dershowitz, one of Cruz’s professors at Harvard Law, called the senator from Texas, “One of Harvard Law’s smartest students.”
Dershowitz dismisses suggestions that Cruz cannot run for president because he was born in Canada. Cruz’s mother was an American citizen, making him a natural born American under the dictates of the Constitution.

Dershowitz is known for his liberal leanings, albeit as an articulate advocate and an author of a number of best-selling books. Along with James Carville, Bill Clinton’s former consigliere, Dershowitz is the second prominent liberal to praise Cruz’s intellect and drive.

compromise
12-28-2013, 06:24 PM
Strange how reigning in bankers and interventionist foreign policy was the foundation of this forum, RP's campaigns, and the Tea Party movement as a whole yet it's slowly turning into how to "compromise" on those same principles when someone like Cruz comes up. A someone who has no problem with thieving bankers (he's married to one) and is a foreign policy hawk and Israel lobby lackey. Huh? WTF is going on here? Some of us still remember the principles that this movement was started over so Im sorry if I won't "compromise" by giving up those principles to support someone that says some of the right things but hasn't proven a damn thing.

He doesn't just say the right things, he votes the right way and his strategy to defund Obamacare showed his dedication to the cause of liberty.

He's married to someone who works in a mid-level position at a relatively small branch of a major investment banking firm. Not exactly a big Wall St. banker. Multiple sources close to the Cruz family also state Heidi and Ted do not always agree politically.

enhanced_deficit
12-28-2013, 06:27 PM
Washington Post
September 11, 2013

"I agree with Rand Paul that we should not intervene militarily in Syria, because it's not in defense of our U.S. national security interests," said Cruz during a question-and-answer session following a speech at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank.

...


So he was lying above or below?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...83YwkLAp0#t=39 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=rx83YwkLAp0#t=39)

“We know Assad has used these weapons, and there is good reason to suspect the al Qaida-affiliated rebels would use them as well if they could get their hands on them. This poses an intolerable threat not only to our friends in the region, but also to the United States. We need to be developing a clear, practical plan to go in, locate the weapons, secure or destroy them, and then get out. The United States should be firmly in the lead to make sure the job is done right.”- Rafael Cruz

FrankRep
12-28-2013, 06:32 PM
So he was lying above or below?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...83YwkLAp0#t=39 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=rx83YwkLAp0#t=39)

“We know Assad has used these weapons, and there is good reason to suspect the al Qaida-affiliated rebels would use them as well if they could get their hands on them. This poses an intolerable threat not only to our friends in the region, but also to the United States. We need to be developing a clear, practical plan to go in, locate the weapons, secure or destroy them, and then get out. The United States should be firmly in the lead to make sure the job is done right.”- Rafael Cruz


Oh look, problem solved:


Syria meets deadline to destroy chemical production facilities
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/31/us-syria-crisis-chemical-idUSBRE99U08N20131031

Syria Destroys Chemical Sites, Inspectors Say
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/01/world/middleeast/syria.html?_r=0

Syria's chemical weapons production facilities destroyed, says watchdog
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/31/syria-chemical-weapons-factories-destroyed-opcw

enhanced_deficit
12-28-2013, 06:36 PM
Oh look, problem solved:



That was not the point, it makes Obama's FP look snaer than Cruz's almost.

Point was same lies/dumbness/political prostitution as happened before costly Iraq blunder; did he believe this when he called for US military boots on the ground in Syria or was lying to please his foreign wars lobbies puppet masters / money baggers?

"This poses an intolerable threat not only to our friends in the region, but also to the United States."

This is not easy to white wash.

We're going in circles now. I think the difference is you seem to think foreign policy / wars issue can be compromised on , I believe it is impossible to fix current major issues without making sound Foreign Policy top priority. Remeber there would be no "Obama", no Obamacare, no groping, no missing $10 Trillions, no Police state perpetual fear, no 600,000 plus disabled US troops from Iraq/Afghan Freedom wars without bad foreign policy that some still seem bent on contnuing. There will be no this:
http://feedthemoon.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/xhyrt-thumb-600x522-366893.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=D4Wr0Ki0f4tyaM&tbnid=JYaUtKR6hBSQXM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Ffeedthemoon.wordpress.com%2F2011% 2F06%2F23%2Fman-ejaculates-during-enhanced-tsa-patdown-airport-evacuated-amid-fears-of-terrorist-toxic-payload%2F&ei=A3S_Uo-RFJLLkAfKqoB4&bvm=bv.58187178,d.eW0&psig=AFQjCNHDDP7qUkBKkCLzbZ1bU7ynj3Fl_g&ust=1388365168388026)

devil21
12-28-2013, 06:41 PM
He doesn't just say the right things, he votes the right way and his strategy to defund Obamacare showed his dedication to the cause of liberty.

A couple years of votes that hasn't affected any outcome of legislation does not make him an icon, particularly when you consider the rest of his history and connections and a general understanding of how politics works. Has Cruz actually stopped anything unconstitutional from being passed? Was Obamacare defunded? Im thinking no. I don't fall for a couple years of media hype out of nowhere, saying some of the right things and casting ultimately ineffectual votes. I'll leave that to people that already fell for that crap over Obama. The playbooks don't change. Only the names of the puppets change.



He's married to someone who works in a mid-level position at a relatively small branch of a major investment banking firm. Not exactly a big Wall St. banker. Multiple sources close to the Cruz family also state Heidi and Ted do not always agree politically.

LOL SHE'S A WEALTH INVESTMENT EXECUTIVE MANAGER FOR GOLDMAN SACHS IN OIL COUNTRY, HOUSTON TEXAS! Mid level position at a small branch? She's not a branch manager for your local credit union. Maybe you can fool some of the under-informed types with this obfuscation but those of us that pay attention know exactly what she and her employer is about. Do taxpayer funded bailouts of AIG that went almost entirely to pay Goldman's derivatives losses at 100 cents on the dollar ring a bell? She's an insider through-and-through and is not to be trusted. By extension her husband should not be trusted and it'll be a cold day in hell before I support putting a Goldman exec in the White House.

jmdrake
12-28-2013, 07:25 PM
Don't worry Warlord, Chris Christie will likely get the GOP nomination.

Not sure if serious. He has as much chance as Rudy Guiliani did in 2008 or Rick Perry and John Huntsman did in 2012. In other words, essentially none. There's no way that Christian conservatives (http://rdlnk.co/KXHYW) or gun advocates (http://rdlnk.co/KXHYV) will allow Christie to get the nomination. He won't make it past Iowa.

enhanced_deficit
12-28-2013, 07:29 PM
Don't worry Warlord, Chris Christie will likely get the GOP nomination.

http://aattp.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/obama-hugs-christie-2.png (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=3buyChi_gvD0_M&tbnid=uY3893pTWvlk0M:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Faattp.org%2Fgop-presidential-candidate-chris-christie-never-hugged-obama%2F&ei=inq_UoK3JsyNkAemhIGoDQ&bvm=bv.58187178,d.eW0&psig=AFQjCNHe4YGjGDdMny7SXia5ospMMPufXw&ust=1388366782848535)


True love. And they have some bundlers, accounting would be simple.

NIU Students for Liberty
12-28-2013, 08:42 PM
Ted Cruz: I’m ‘somewhere in between’ McCain and Paul on foreign policy (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/09/11/ted-cruz-im-somewhere-in-between-mccain-and-paul-on-foreign-policy/)

Not good enough.

NIU Students for Liberty
12-28-2013, 08:43 PM
There's no way that Christian conservatives (http://rdlnk.co/KXHYW) or gun advocates (http://rdlnk.co/KXHYV) will allow Christie to get the nomination. He won't make it past Iowa.

And yet Romney, a fucking robot, managed to pull off that very same feat.

jjdoyle
12-28-2013, 11:23 PM
And yet Romney, a fucking robot, managed to pull off that very same feat.

Yup. And as my mom called him at the time, Bob Dull got it in '96.

RonPaulFanInGA
12-29-2013, 03:18 AM
Not sure if serious. He has as much chance as Rudy Guiliani did in 2008 or Rick Perry and John Huntsman did in 2012. In other words, essentially none.

Jon Huntsman was never polling at or near first-place, as Christie is now.


There's no way that Christian conservatives (http://rdlnk.co/KXHYW) or gun advocates (http://rdlnk.co/KXHYV) will allow Christie to get the nomination. He won't make it past Iowa.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-4wI7FY5l8qk/TzpPJJpiEHI/AAAAAAAALd4/2-OgydV_4Bg/s400/Romney%2526Teddy.jpg
Romney signs Massachusetts' permanent Assault Weapons Ban, 2004

Where were the "gun advocates" whilst Romney was busy winning the GOP presidential nomination?


"So-and-so is done, they're soft on guns!" See: Romney

"So-and-so is done, they're soft on Obamacare!" See: Romney

"So-and-so is done, they're soft on illegal aliens!" See: McCain and Romney (McCain(-Kennedy) being the biggest GOP amnesty supporter in the Senate, that alone should close the book on the idea of immigration being a deal-breaker to win the Republican presidential nomination.)

jmdrake
12-29-2013, 09:28 AM
And yet Romney, a fucking robot, managed to pull off that very same feat.

A) He pulled it off with the help of the Ron Paul campaign. Stone me for saying it, but it's the truth.

B) He never signed any blatantly anti family legislation like Chris Christie did nor, to my knowledge, any blatantly anti-gun legislation. Chris Christie has touched two third rails of GOP politics. Rudy Giuliani was dead when he kissed Donald Trump while dressed in drag. Rick Perry was dead when he pushed for Gardissil vaccination for little girls and when he made the comment he did about illegal immigration during the debates. While Romney should have been dead politically for being the forerunner for Obamacare, many Republicans hadn't yet put two and two together. Remember that the Heritage Foundation and other "conservatives" had put forth a similar plan. (Yes I know they deny it's similarities, but they're full of it.)

jmdrake
12-29-2013, 09:30 AM
Jon Huntsman was never polling at or near first-place, as Christie is now.



http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-4wI7FY5l8qk/TzpPJJpiEHI/AAAAAAAALd4/2-OgydV_4Bg/s400/Romney%2526Teddy.jpg
Romney signs Massachusetts' permanent Assault Weapons Ban, 2004

Where were the "gun advocates" whilst Romney was busy winning the GOP presidential nomination?


"So-and-so is done, they're soft on guns!" See: Romney

"So-and-so is done, they're soft on Obamacare!" See: Romney

"So-and-so is done, they're soft on illegal aliens!" See: McCain and Romney (McCain(-Kennedy) being the biggest GOP amnesty supporter in the Senate, that alone should close the book on the idea of immigration being a deal-breaker to win the Republican presidential nomination.)

Okay. I stand corrected on that point. But there's no way Chris Christie gets a pass on the pro-gay legislation. And if he does, that's our fault. We need to make sure that every "Eagle Forum" type knows about Christie.

FrankRep
12-29-2013, 09:48 AM
Okay. I stand corrected on that point. But there's no way Chris Christie gets a pass on the pro-gay legislation. And if he does, that's our fault. We need to make sure that every "Eagle Forum" type knows about Christie.

Mitt Romney got a pass.



Romney position on Same Sex Issues (http://2012.republican-candidates.org/Romney/Same-Sex.php)

Romney On LGBT

Romney’s position on the issue of LGBT has undergone an evolution over the course of his 18-year political career, reflecting his personal struggle over the issue – although, for the record, he insists that his stance has always been the same, and cites the changing definition of the term ‘gay rights’ as the source of the misconception.

He was supportive of the LGBT movement’s cause early in his political career, especially during his campaign for the Massachusetts Senate seat in 1994. Following a meeting with the local chapter of the Log Cabin Club, which is the only pro-LGBT Republican organization of note in the country, Romney wrote to the club members’ to reaffirm his commitment to their cause ( original letter (http://presidential-candidates.org/data/images/romneylogcabinletter.pdf) ).


Mitt Romney also got a pass on Abortion too.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNDsyKnQIes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNDsyKnQIes

torchbearer
12-29-2013, 10:23 AM
Wife has a mid level job at the Texas branch of Goldman Sachs -> Cruz is controlled by the Fed?
How do you guys get to that conclusion?

Because if he ever voted against her employer, he wouldn't be able to sleep in his own bed, nor have peace in his home... which will be her home after the divorce.
You don't try to end or audit your wife's employer.
Cruz will be used to eliminate the Paul threat. His non-filibuster speech on the floor was trumpeted as a filibuster by a propaganda media to a retarded public(who have no idea- apparently- what a filibuster is).. and now, he is man of the year from all the propaganda associations for a filibuster he never did...
and if he hadn't had his stage production- Rand would still be the filibuster guy in the eyes of the retarded masses...
don't be a retarded mass.

FrankRep
12-29-2013, 10:41 AM
Because if he ever voted against her employer, he wouldn't be able to sleep in his own bed, nor have peace in his home... which will be her home after the divorce.
You don't try to end or audit your wife's employer.

Ted Cruz as Senator or President would have little power to stop an audit of Goldman Sachs.
Second, You're acting like Ted Cruz is already guilty of something he hasn't done.

compromise
12-29-2013, 10:42 AM
I seriously feel like some members on here hate Cruz more than Christie.

torchbearer
12-29-2013, 10:59 AM
Ted Cruz as Senator or President would have little power to stop an audit of Goldman Sachs.
Second, You're acting like Ted Cruz is already guilty of something he hasn't done.

first, he is a senator- and he has a vote that counts- unlike yours. thus, if he votes against the fed- in any way, he'd be voting against his wife's employer.
second, i'm only laying out the truth, and will watch as things unfold, putting down a record of words... because Cruz is the Paul killer. time will tell you so.

torchbearer
12-29-2013, 11:01 AM
I seriously feel like some members on here hate Cruz more than Christie.

equally. they each have a part to play, one is to be used to diminish the threat to the status quo while the other takes the nomination.
Though i'd expect for his part, Cruz would get the VP slot... but that may be too obvious.
Maybe a promotion for his wife. Not too high level.. not too obvious.. maybe not even a promotion.. but just a raise.

FrankRep
12-29-2013, 11:34 AM
first, he is a senator- and he has a vote that counts- unlike yours. thus, if he votes against the fed- in any way, he'd be voting against his wife's employer.

Oh look:

Senator Ted Cruz: "Audit The Fed"
http://benswann.com/senator-ted-cruz-audit-the-fed/

Should Congress Pass Ron Paul's "Audit the Fed" Bill?
http://www.tedcruz.org/landing/audit-the-fed/

AngryCanadian
12-29-2013, 01:07 PM
Oh look:

Senator Ted Cruz: "Audit The Fed"
http://benswann.com/senator-ted-cruz-audit-the-fed/

Should Congress Pass Ron Paul's "Audit the Fed" Bill?
http://www.tedcruz.org/landing/audit-the-fed/

We shall how he stands by either next year or come by 2016 during the debates.

jmdrake
12-29-2013, 02:13 PM
There is a huge difference between supporting same sex marriage and signing a bill that takes away parents rights to seek sexual orientation counseling for their children.


Mitt Romney got a pass.



Romney position on Same Sex Issues (http://2012.republican-candidates.org/Romney/Same-Sex.php)

Romney On LGBT

Romney’s position on the issue of LGBT has undergone an evolution over the course of his 18-year political career, reflecting his personal struggle over the issue – although, for the record, he insists that his stance has always been the same, and cites the changing definition of the term ‘gay rights’ as the source of the misconception.

He was supportive of the LGBT movement’s cause early in his political career, especially during his campaign for the Massachusetts Senate seat in 1994. Following a meeting with the local chapter of the Log Cabin Club, which is the only pro-LGBT Republican organization of note in the country, Romney wrote to the club members’ to reaffirm his commitment to their cause ( original letter (http://presidential-candidates.org/data/images/romneylogcabinletter.pdf) ).


Mitt Romney also got a pass on Abortion too.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNDsyKnQIes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNDsyKnQIes

devil21
12-29-2013, 03:58 PM
I seriously feel like some members on here hate Cruz more than Christie.

I repeat:

It will be a cold day in hell before I support putting a Goldman Sachs executive in the White House.

FrankRep
12-29-2013, 04:09 PM
I repeat:

It will be a cold day in hell before I support putting a Goldman Sachs executive in the White House.

Heidi Cruz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz#Personal_life) is head of the Southwest Region in the Investment Management Division of Goldman, Sachs & Co.

Heidi Cruz is not a Goldman Sachs executive, just a lower level manager.

enhanced_deficit
12-29-2013, 04:11 PM
Though i'd expect for his part, Cruz would get the VP slot... but that may be too obvious.
Maybe a promotion for his wife. Not too high level.. not too obvious.. maybe not even a promotion.. but just a raise.

Teddy Cruz has a better chance of being VP of Israel or AIPAC than of US. I would be surprised even if he kept his Sanate seat at next election.

FrankRep
12-29-2013, 04:14 PM
Teddy Cruz has a better chance of being VP of Israel than of US. I would be surprised even if he kept his Sanate seat at next election.

The GOP establishment has declared war on the Tea Party so Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Thomas Massie, Justin Amash, Mike Lee, etc... are heading for a major battle soon. You have that part right.

AngryCanadian
12-29-2013, 04:17 PM
Is Ted Cruz from state of Taxes?
He should know by now every Canadian is at this stage laughing at the fact he wants renounce his Canadian citizenship. I doubt even American would do something like this if he or she lived in Canada or in Europe.


LOL.

enhanced_deficit
12-29-2013, 04:44 PM
The GOP establishment has declared war on the Tea Party so Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Thomas Massie, Justin Amash, Mike Lee, etc... are heading for a major battle soon. You have that part right.

I'm not sure if there is such a thing as any single "Tea Party" currently in any real sense other than a label being used too loosely.
If you disagree, please tell me what is Tea Party stance on Trillions spent on Iraq/Afghan wars, Patriot Act, Torture, Iran war, TSA groping, US tax payers funding for occupation of Palestinians etc? Is Michelle Bachmann Tea Party?


"GOP Establishment" under Bush strongly resisted Iran war lobbies after learning from Iraq blunder, I would support that establishment over so called "Tea party" politicians who are in bed with Iran war lobbies and dancing to their tunes already. Current mixology of "Tea Party" needs to do house cleaning to have a credible brand and get rid of neocons or it will be little more than an "anti Obama" fad that will vanish soon.

devil21
12-29-2013, 04:49 PM
Heidi Cruz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Cruz#Personal_life) is head of the Southwest Region in the Investment Management Division of Goldman, Sachs & Co.

Heidi Cruz is not a Goldman Sachs executive, just a lower level manager.

Perhaps you should review the definition of "executive".

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/executive?s=t

1. a person or group of persons having administrative or supervisory authority in an organization.

A "head" of a regional office is an executive, as they have supervisory authority in the organization.

Then review Heidi's professional profile here:
http://www.zoominfo.com/s/#!search/profile/person?personId=483895701&targetid=profile


Ms. Heidi Cruz
VICE PRESIDENT - GOLDMAN SACHS AND CO

Employment History
Managing Director Goldman , Sachs & Co.
Region Head Goldman , Sachs & Co.
Director Western Hemisphere The White House Director Western Hemisphere at
White House Economic Director Western Hemisphere Inc
President Bush's Economic Director Western Hemisphere Inc
Economic Director for the Western Hemisphere National Security Council
Energy Investment Banker Merrill Lynch & Co. Inc

Board Memberships and Affiliations
Board Member
Greater Houston Partnership

Education
M.B.A. Harvard Business School
B.A. Economics and International Relations - Claremont McKenna College


Hmm....I wonder what Western Hemisphere Inc is? Time for some Google-fu.

Feeding the Abscess
12-29-2013, 05:04 PM
Amish and Rand are forgotten.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZtHac9w-QE

Rand wasn't forgotten, he sided with McConnell against Cruz and Lee during the Obamacare shutdown issue. Amash was against the shutdown as well, if I recall correctly.

FrankRep
12-29-2013, 05:09 PM
Perhaps you should review the definition of "executive".

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/executive?s=t

1. a person or group of persons having administrative or supervisory authorityin an organization.

2. the person or persons in whom the supreme executive power of a government is vested.

Heidi Cruz is NOT the head of Goldman Sachs. You should review of your definition you supplied.

She's a low level manager.

kathy88
12-29-2013, 05:14 PM
Heidi Cruz is NOT the head of Goldman Sachs. You should review of your definition you supplied.

She's a low level manager.

You are going to lose this one. You sound like a petulant child. Just stop.

FrankRep
12-29-2013, 05:18 PM
You are going to lose this one. You sound like a petulant child. Just stop.

Here are the Goldman Sachs Executive Officers:

Goldman Sachs | Leadership - Executive Officers (http://www.goldmansachs.com/who-we-are/leadership/executive-officers/)


Lloyd C. Blankfein
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
Gary D. Cohn
President and Chief Operating Officer
John S. Weinberg
Vice Chairman
J. Michael Evans
Vice Chairman and Global Head of Growth Markets
Michael Sherwood
Vice Chairman
Mark Schwartz
Vice Chairman and Chairman of Goldman Sachs Asia Pacific
Harvey M. Schwartz
Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer
Gregory K. Palm
Executive Vice President, General Counsel and Secretary of the Corporation
Alan M. Cohen
Executive Vice President and Global Head of Compliance
John F. W. Rogers
Executive Vice President, Chief of Staff and Secretary to the Board
Edith W. Cooper
Executive Vice President and Global Head of Human Capital Management


Wait... Where's Heidi Cruz????

Yeah, WIN.

kathy88
12-29-2013, 05:28 PM
That's a list of executive officers. You know what. Forget it. You'll be the first one ill be telling I told you so when Cruz runs against Rand.

rpfocus
12-29-2013, 05:29 PM
Is Ted Cruz from state of Taxes?
He should know by now every Canadian is at this stage laughing at the fact he wants renounce his Canadian citizenship. I doubt even American would do something like this if he or she lived in Canada or in Europe.


LOL.

WHERE'S HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE?!?! I Hope Canada issues long form certificates! Sorry Cruz, not qualified. LOL.

FrankRep
12-29-2013, 05:32 PM
That's a list of executive officers. You know what. Forget it. You'll be the first one ill be telling I told you so when Cruz runs against Rand.

I told you that Heidi Cruz is a low level manager, not an executive. I just gave you proof.

Heidi Cruz has little say in the direction and activities of Goldman Sachs. If you hate Goldman Sachs, hate the executive officers, not a low level manager like Heidi.

devil21
12-29-2013, 05:36 PM
Heidi Cruz is NOT the head of Goldman Sachs. You should review of your definition you supplied.

She's a low level manager.

By everyone's definition Heidi Cruz is a Goldman executive and a high ranking one. Not sure what you think belaboring this point is earning you but all her info is out there for anyone to find. That zoominfo link is particularly informative since it covers even more of her history than Wiki does. Even if you exclude her current employer, her resume' is chock full of establishment insider connections. I didn't even know she worked for John Ashcroft until I read the zoominfo link! You remember him right? The more I read about her, the worse she is.

I noticed the article text copied into the zoominfo link appears to have been completely scrubbed from the net! People are covering her tracks!

Since the article it was based on has been scrubbed, here is the raw text so it doesn't disappear into the memory hole entirely.



www.houston.org, 7 Oct 2012 [cached]
Heidi Cruz
Region Head Goldman Sachs & Co.
Heidi S. Cruz is the Region Head for the Southwest Region in the Investment Management Division of Goldman, Sachs & Co. She leads 40 professionals responsible for over $14 billion in investments for clients throughout Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Arkansas, Mississippi, New Mexico, and Colorado.
In the 1990s, Heidi worked as an investment banker in New York, focusing on Latin America mergers and acquisitions and structured finance. In that capacity, Heidi was involved in advisory engagements and capital markets transactions for some of the largest energy companies in the Americas.
In the public sector, Heidi served in the White House as the Economic Director for the Western Hemisphere at the National Security Council, under then-National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice; as the Director of the Latin America Office at the U.S. Treasury Department; and as Special Policy Assistant to Ambassador Robert B. Zoellick, then-U.S. Trade Representative.
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Heidi received an M.B.A. from Harvard Business School, a Masters of European Business from Universite Libre de Bruxelles in Brussels, Belgium, and graduated Phi Beta Kappa with a B.A. in Economics and International Relations from Claremont McKenna College. She is currently a member of the Texas Business Leadership Council and serves on the board of the Greater Houston Partnership, Houston's Museum of Fine Arts European Art Sub-Committee, the Advancement Board of the Yes Prep Public Schools of Houston, the Advisory Board of Living Water International, and on the Advisory Board of the Robert Day School of Economics and Finance at Claremont McKenna College in California.
Publisher and Editor of TRAVELLADY magazine, Madelyn Miller ‹ ‹ Autumn Rhea Carpenter | freelance writer and editor | Austin, TexasAutumn Rhea Carpenter | freelance writer and editor | Austin, Texas
www.autumncarpenter.net, 6 May 2012 [cached]
White House Economic Director of the Western Hemisphere, Heidi Cruz >
Join our mailing list
innerchicken.net - follow your inner chicken
www.innerchicken.net, 1 Nov 2004 [cached]
Heidi Cruz: "White House Economic Director Had Unusual Upbringing That Fostered Entrepreneurial Spirit,Drive to Learn"November 2004: austinwoman Magazine
Not many political careers originate from a backyard replicate of Yosemite National Park or with a burgeoning bread business, conceptualized at the tender age of six.But for Heidi Cruz, President Bush's Economic Director for the Western Hemisphere, these early signs of entrepreneurialism and forward thinking were where it all began.
Cruz, 31, a San Luis Obispo, California, native, has maintained a well-planned track to her current position at the White House.But her journey has required much discipline, dedication and, of course, a bit of serendipity."I grew up in what other people would label as 'unusual'," Cruz said.
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"Scott and I were very self-reliant and one summer decided to re-create our favorite family vacation spot - Yosemite National Park," said Cruz."We spent the entire three months building 'mountains' and creating our own backyard fantasy world.Our family was always outdoors, hiking, biking, windsurfing, water and snow and skiing.My dad is a mountain climber, who climbed Mount Everest in 1990.We learned at an early age the value of a strong physical self."
During their childhoods, Cruz and her brother also started a bread-making business.Their father always encouraged capitalism and when they started asking for money at ages six and eight, he suggested that they be creative."We started out on a very small scale," said Cruz."Our mother bought the ingredients and we sold about 30 loaves a week for $1.00 each.Eventually, the sibling rivalry got to us and we split the partnership up.I named my company 'Heidi's Bakery' and Scott named his 'Kneads Bread.'" That capitalism experiment lasted for ten years and eventually the pair sold over 200 loaves a week and grossed over $15k.
The Nelsons sent their children to Christian schools and often took them on missionary trips, to teach them about other cultures."When I was four years old we lived in Nigeria," said Cruz.
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Not drawn to medicine, Cruz began seeing her career in business and politics and a challenging road ahead.While at boarding school in Monterrey, California, Cruz decided that she would study economics at Claremont McKenna College in Claremont, California."My parents were disappointed that I decided not to attend an Adventist college, but it was vital for me to find my own niche," said Cruz."They had raised me to be self-reliant and to pursue my own dreams."
Cruz expanded her horizons and her interest in foreign policy and economics increased."I realized that Claremont didn't have a College Republicans chapter, so I started one," she said."I attended the 1992 Republican National Convention in Houston and I also interned for a congressman.Those decisions really set the wheels in motion."
During college, Cruz discovered that her previous schooling had focused primarily on science and music and so she played catch-up on other subjects."That experience just made me work harder and I suppose doubt myself at times," she said."I thought I had to work just a little bit more than everyone else and I still rely on that thought process today."
From there, Cruz received a Rotary Scholarship to attend the University Libre de Bruxelles, Solvay School, where she gained a Masters of European Business.She gained important knowledge regarding Europe's economic future, its trade theories and its financial markets and also found time to run in the Paris marathon.
Her next step landed her in New York City at J.P. Morgan and Co. - a far cry from her 14-acre Californian bubble."I was thrilled to be in New York City," said Cruz."At J.P.Morgan, investment banking captured my work ethic, energies and optimism that women can have it all.During those years, I worked 100-hour weeks in the structured debt group as well as in Latin America mergers and acquisitions.I participated in advising companies on expansion and privatization strategies and became deeply entrenched in Latin American finance and business.I didn't speak any Spanish, so I caught up by studying Berlitz Spanish until 3am every night after work. "
Cruz explained that she loved the New York experience, but she missed being involved in her community."I decided to volunteer one day a week to tutor a Harlem youth and that experience made such an impact on my life.Only in New York City can you go from the high-powered streets of Wall Street and in five minutes be sitting in a cramped apartment in Harlem.There was a huge gap and it made me want to be able to help create more economic opportunities for those in need. "
Cruz was accepted into Harvard Business School, where she obtained her M.B.A. During that time she became the assistant economic advisor for then-Senator John Ashcroft.
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During the 2000 Bush presidential campaign, Cruz met her future husband, Ted Cruz, the now-appointed Solicitor's General of Texas.
Creating a North American Union?
www.jonesreport.com, 23 Feb 2011 [cached]
They include, Heidi S. Cruz, an energy investment banker with Merrill Lynch, after leaving the White House where she worked for Condoleeza Rice as the Economic Director for the Western Hemisphere of the National Security Council, and before then worked as an investment banker with J.P. Morgan Chase.
Board of Directors | Greater Houston Partnership
www.houston.org, 7 Oct 2012 [cached]
Heidi Cruz - Region Head, Goldman Sachs & Co.

FrankRep
12-29-2013, 05:37 PM
By everyone's definition Heidi Cruz is a Goldman executive and a high ranking one. Not sure what you think belaboring this point is earning you but all her info is out there for anyone to find. That zoominfo link is particularly informative since it covers even more of her history than Wiki does. Even if you exclude her current employer, her resume' is chock full of establishment insider connections. I didn't even know she worked for John Ashcroft until I read the zoominfo link! You remember him right? The more I read about her, the worse she is.

Goldman Sachs | Leadership - Executive Officers
http://www.goldmansachs.com/who-we-are/leadership/executive-officers/


Heidi Cruz is not on the list as an Executive.

kathy88
12-29-2013, 05:40 PM
Heidi Cruz is a Vice President in the Private Wealth Management Group in Houston. She manages investments of very high wealth clients. That's not a low level management position. But whatever.

devil21
12-29-2013, 06:07 PM
Oh boy this is getting fun! I heart research.

edit: removing family information pending further review and presentation. The rabbit hole is deep with Heidi (Nelson) Cruz. She is in deep with the Bush family and has long-serving politicians in her family tree.

RandallFan
12-29-2013, 06:48 PM
Jon Huntsman was never polling at or near first-place, as Christie is now.

"So-and-so is done, they're soft on illegal aliens!" See: McCain and Romney (McCain(-Kennedy) being the biggest GOP amnesty supporter in the Senate, that alone should close the book on the idea of immigration being a deal-breaker to win the Republican presidential nomination.)

Romney vetoed freebies for illegals and McCain was in the phase of learning his lesson. Christie has managed to do more for illegals than McCain, Huckabee and Romney combined. Huntsman is a joke and has 39,000 facebook likes.

torchbearer
12-29-2013, 07:04 PM
Oh boy this is getting fun! I heart research.

edit: removing family information pending further review and presentation. The rabbit hole is deep with Heidi (Nelson) Cruz. She is in deep with the Bush family and has long-serving politicians in her family tree.


Whatever, she's just a teller who married rich.

devil21
12-29-2013, 07:09 PM
Won't it be funny watching Heidi's husband, Rafael Edward "Ted" Cruz, debate Jeb Bush, when Heidi serves on the same boards that Jeb's dad does? Actually it would be funny if it weren't so absurd and corrupt.

mosquitobite
12-29-2013, 09:01 PM
No, they want weak willed folk like you and compromise and captlou to push the Cristie fear enough where regular folks are clamoring for the trojan horse Cruz to save them as 'the one that can win against the establishment candidate'. While all the time he's an establishment man through and through.

* Round of applause!*

WD-NY
12-29-2013, 10:09 PM
I seriously feel like some members on here hate Cruz more than Christie.

Yep.

I get why some RPFers are suspicious/worried about Cruz (re: because Rand can't beat Christie/Establishment without his support). I share their concern and agree that Cruz has the power to block Rand from winning (by splitting the conservative vote in the 2016 primaries). That said, the same can (and is) being said by Cruz supporters about Rand (because he can't beat Christie either without Rand), so why attack Cruz when doing so is EXACTLY what the Establishment/Christie/MSM wants??

I hope it's not because of how "bad" (politically) his "filibuster" was for Rand:

Rand wasn't forgotten, he sided with McConnell against Cruz and Lee during the Obamacare shutdown issue. Amash was against the shutdown as well, if I recall correctly.

Especially since Cruz keeps following Rand's lead on so many LEGIT issues...like Auditing the FED:

Oh look:

Senator Ted Cruz: "Audit The Fed"
http://benswann.com/senator-ted-cruz-audit-the-fed/

Should Congress Pass Ron Paul's "Audit the Fed" Bill?
http://www.tedcruz.org/landing/audit-the-fed/

Which is why, instead of helping the Establishment *divide & conquor*, I'm going to continue focusing on the positives and/or benefits of Cruz until he (or Rand) does or says something that forces me to act (which again, I dont think will happen since neither can win without the other...)

Mexican standoff ftw ;)
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_standoff

devil21
12-30-2013, 02:54 AM
Yep.

I get why some RPFers are suspicious/worried about Cruz (re: because Rand can't beat Christie/Establishment without his support). I share their concern and agree that Cruz has the power to block Rand from winning (by splitting the conservative vote in the 2016 primaries). That said, the same can (and is) being said by Cruz supporters about Rand (because he can't beat Christie either without Rand), so why attack Cruz when doing so is EXACTLY what the Establishment/Christie/MSM wants??

Speak for yourself on what worries "some RPFers" about Cruz. I've made perfectly clear what worries me and I'm barely into this research. Cruz would be just another banker globalist interventionist puppet and not a lick different than GWB or Obama. I absolutely support Rand at this point but that has little bearing on my negative views on Cruz.

I completely disagree with your premise that Rand can't beat Christie head to head without Cruz' help. Cruz is being groomed to try to prevent that possibility! Didn't you learn anything from Ron Paul's campaigns and how far people went to prevent a genuine Romney/Paul head to head?

WD-NY
12-30-2013, 03:16 AM
Speak for yourself on what worries "some RPFers" about Cruz. I've made perfectly clear what worries me and I'm barely into this research. Cruz would be just another banker globalist interventionist puppet and not a lick different than GWB or Obama. I absolutely support Rand at this point but that has little bearing on my negative views on Cruz.

But the vast majority of Cruz's positions and public statements = same or very similar to Rand's...he even changed course on syria after Rand came out against it.


I completely disagree with your premise that Rand can't beat Christie head to head without Cruz' help. Cruz is being groomed to try to prevent that possibility! Didn't you learn anything from Ron Paul's campaigns and how far people went to prevent a genuine Romney/Paul head to head?

Agreed! Rand would absolutely destroy Christie in a headsup battle, but that's why the establishment will never allow such a duel to transpire. Will Cruz sell out or will he stand w/ Rand and help him unite the 'clans'? That's the history changing question.

devil21
12-30-2013, 04:25 AM
But the vast majority of Cruz's positions and public statements = same or very similar to Rand's...he even changed course on syria after Rand came out against it.

You actually believe what politicians say? That's rule #1. Don't take anything a politician says at face value. The totality of circumstances shows Cruz is, at best, a useful idiot that is not to be trusted, or at worst, deliberately being propped up to interfere with a genuine Liberty/Tea Party fusion candidate. His past and current connections are too much to brush off for anyone that's been paying attention to how this game of politics is played.

TruckinMike
12-30-2013, 08:03 AM
Some people say that ...




It's silly to attack someone based on their work.



I suppose that can be true, but it really depends on who they worked for.

From the CFR... (http://www.cfr.org/canada/building-north-american-community/p8102)


Building a North American Community
Overview

Press Releases: English | French | Spanish

Sponsored by the Council on Foreign Relations in association with the Canadian Council of Chief Executives and the Consejo Mexicano de Asuntos Internacionales.

North America is vulnerable on several fronts: the region faces terrorist and criminal security threats, increased economic competition from abroad, and uneven economic development at home. In response to these challenges, a trinational, Independent Task Force on the Future of North America has developed a roadmap to promote North American security and advance the well-being of citizens of all three countries.

When the leaders of Canada, Mexico, and the United States met in Texas recently they underscored the deep ties and shared principles of the three countries. The Council-sponsored Task Force applauds the announced “Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America,” but proposes a more ambitious vision of a new community by 2010 and specific recommendations on how to achieve it.
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Task Force Members

PEDRO ASPE is CEO of Protego, a leading investment banking advisory firm in Mexico. Mr. Aspe was most recently the Secretary of the Treasury of Mexico (1988-1994). He has been a Professor of Economics at Instituto Tecnologico Autonomo de Mexico (ITAM) and has held a number of positions in the Mexican government.

THOMAS S. AXWORTHY is the Chairman of the Centre for the Study of Democracy at Queen's University. From 1981 to 1984, Dr. Axworthy was Principal Secretary to the Prime Minister of Canada, Pierre Trudeau. Since 2001, he has served as Chairman of the Asia Pacific Foundation of Canada.

HEIDI S. CRUZ is an energy investment banker with Merrill Lynch in Houston, Texas. She served in the Bush White House under Dr. Condoleezza Rice as the Economic Director for the Western Hemisphere at the National Security Council, as the Director of the Latin America Office at the U.S. Treasury Department, and as Special Assistant to Ambassador Robert B. Zoellick, U.S. Trade Representative. Prior to government service, Ms. Cruz was an investment banker with J.P. Morgan in New York City.
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et. al.



FYI to all of those uninformed ---> The CFR is a very influential group that promotes the destruction of American sovereignty ---> they are the ENEMY of the Constitution, they are the enemy of individual freedom. They worship at the alter of centralized (world) government.

devil21
12-30-2013, 04:39 PM
Nice find Mike! Heidi Cruz just gets worse and worse the more that comes out about her.

Hillary at the CFR....speech sounds nice enough except the beginning where she acknowledges that the CFR wields way more influence over DC than voters do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOrhGkHPmSs

FrankRep
12-30-2013, 05:17 PM
Heidi Cruz Was a CFR member.

Here's the full detail:


Another family member of U.S. Senate hopeful Ted Cruz– his wife, Heidi — is drawing media attention inside the Beltway. The online, Washington, D.C., news outlet Politico blogged Thursday that Ted Cruz in recent campaign appearances has called the establishment foreign-policy group, the Council on Foreign Relations, a “pit of vipers” and a “pernicious nest of snakes,” even though it says his wife until June was an active member of the council.
...

She let a five-year membership lapse, Politico reported.

SOURCE:
http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2011/10/politico-cruz-scores-group-his.html/
...


Ted Cruz: The Council on Foreign Relations is a "Pit of Vipers" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfAHy_UrqH4)



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfAHy_UrqH4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfAHy_UrqH4

timosman
01-29-2016, 07:16 AM
bump