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Brian4Liberty
12-27-2013, 05:50 PM
It looks like that US Chamber of Commerce money is being put to good use.

Ladies and Gentleman, may we present big-government, big-mommy, leftist Judge endorsing, big spending, big-taxing, Constitution shredding, amnesty promoting RINO, the one and only, Lindsey Graham:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQFh7KvWRc4

Warlord
12-27-2013, 05:52 PM
That is sickening

jjdoyle
12-27-2013, 05:55 PM
That is sickening

Why? Maybe Huckabee is just playing the game?

TaftFan
12-27-2013, 05:57 PM
He's a champion for peace through war.

paulbot24
12-27-2013, 05:57 PM
Any game involving Lindsey Graham would have to include a bunch of boy scouts and baby oil. Stay away man.

Brian4Liberty
12-27-2013, 05:59 PM
Why? Maybe Huckabee is just playing the game?

Yeah, his biggest endorsements so far are Lindsey Graham and Tom Cotton. He has the neo-conservatives completely fooled!

jjdoyle
12-27-2013, 06:05 PM
Yeah, his biggest endorsements so far are Lindsey Graham and Tom Cotton. He has the neo-conservatives completely fooled!

Good. As long as he's playing the game smarter than them. I knew he was one of us...
He'll have the nomination locked here soon!

enhanced_deficit
12-27-2013, 06:17 PM
To be fair, Huckabee is a moderate neocon and has been pretending to fight against drone king while serving same masters/money baggers. Check who signs his paycheck to understand photos like these.



http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_F-xeHYYmmhI/TOlHBhG8xjI/AAAAAAAAARE/Escxt6NaMQY/s1600/TSA+Pat-Down+001.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=h_4GHJGHRWFUBM&tbnid=-kplwplWw8TEGM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fevilletimes.blogspot.com%2F2010_1 1_01_archive.html&ei=8xe-UsKyJJHLkAfLyYCQBg&bvm=bv.58187178,d.eW0&psig=AFQjCNHbKVAE5WC4hfxVt6echraMFKsbDQ&ust=1388276050601716)

TaftFan
12-27-2013, 10:36 PM
Check out his FB page: https://www.facebook.com/mikehuckabee/posts/10151888224487869

Keith and stuff
12-27-2013, 10:49 PM
Graham looks like a saint compared to Huckabee. Huckbee is by far the worst person considering running for the GOP nomination in 2016 (other than Peter King).

NIU Students for Liberty
12-27-2013, 10:55 PM
But...but he had Rand on his show so he must be coming around!

Brian4Liberty
12-27-2013, 11:21 PM
Check out his FB page: https://www.facebook.com/mikehuckabee/posts/10151888224487869

Lol. No love for Huckabee there.

CPUd
12-28-2013, 12:14 AM
http://i.imgur.com/UOJj25C.png

jmdrake
12-28-2013, 12:21 AM
Yeah, his biggest endorsements so far are Lindsey Graham and Tom Cotton. He has the neo-conservatives completely fooled!

Add Obama supporting Lamar Alexander to the list. I'm ticked at myself for not calling him out on that before he quit his radio show. In fact, come to think of it, that's probably why he quit the show before the 2014 primaries got hot and heavy. (Not that he was worried about me in particular, but he had to know he would have to start fielding questions from tea party types not happy with him calling people like Alexander and Graham "conservatives").

compromise
12-28-2013, 06:16 AM
Graham looks like a saint compared to Huckabee. Huckbee is by far the worst person considering running for the GOP nomination in 2016 (other than Peter King).

Rick Santorum and Jon Huntsman are both worse than Huckabee.

Bastiat's The Law
12-28-2013, 06:49 AM
Not surprising. It will be interesting to see is Steve Deace hits Huckabee hard on this.

Snew
12-28-2013, 07:29 AM
lol. Not exactly surprising...

nobody's_hero
12-28-2013, 07:36 AM
Rick Santorum and Jon Huntsman are both worse than Huckabee.

That doesn't say much, though.

kathy88
12-28-2013, 07:47 AM
Hahahahahahaha there are gonna be some exploding heads in the Religious Socially Retarded Right over this.

Occam's Banana
12-28-2013, 08:06 AM
Hahahahahahaha there are gonna be some exploding heads in the Religious Socially Retarded Right over this.

I don't know. Maybe a few. But nobody ever lost money overestimating the willingness of most people to make excuses. Like so:

http://i.imgur.com/UOJj25C.png

Philhelm
12-28-2013, 08:42 AM
Was this from the Onion?

pcosmar
12-28-2013, 08:53 AM
http://i.imgur.com/UOJj25C.png

These people would support Satan himself if he had an "R" behind his name.

And there are a lot of them. :(

WM_in_MO
12-28-2013, 10:39 AM
These people would support Satan himself if he had an "R" behind his name.

And there are a lot of them. :(

Baa baa.

Sheep follow the bell, they don't question why or where.

donnay
12-28-2013, 11:04 AM
What Huckabee proves is the phony left/right paradigm will continue, until people understand these warnings...


Matthew 7:15
"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves."

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!"
~Benjamin Franklin

qh4dotcom
12-28-2013, 11:29 AM
Check out his FB page: https://www.facebook.com/mikehuckabee/posts/10151888224487869

A brainwashed sheep posted the following comment



Loved your commercial for Senator Graham in SC. Please continue to publicly support him. And for those of you that insist on calling people like Gov. Huckabee, Senator Graham, and myself "RINOs." Stop drinking the far right Kool-aid from talk radio. We are, without a doubt, Conservatives. RINO is a ridiculous term & it's people like you, that are looking for purity in our party when you should be accepting of diversity, that cost us valuable elections the past. Grow up & realize the world & the GOP doesn't revolve around you!

cajuncocoa
12-28-2013, 11:48 AM
http://i.imgur.com/UOJj25C.png
That's how the game is played, right? Where are my Red Team pom-poms? :rolleyes:

Miss Annie
12-28-2013, 11:48 AM
OMG......... I guess my grandma was right. "You just can't fix stupid".... :(

Bastiat's The Law
12-28-2013, 12:18 PM
That's how the game is played, right? Where are my Red Team pom-poms? :rolleyes:

Maybe for 90-year-old dinosaurs like June, but it's a different ballgame for those under 50. Critical thinking is on the upswing, no thanks to the Liberty Movement.

NIU Students for Liberty
12-28-2013, 12:35 PM
Maybe for 90-year-old dinosaurs like June, but it's a different ballgame for those under 50. Critical thinking is on the upswing, no thanks to the Liberty Movement.

I know college Republicans who claimed they like Ron Paul but ended up voting for Newt Gingrich in the primaries and then Mitt Romney in the general election. The same people are now clamoring for Ted Cruz because he'll bring in the Hispanic vote.

GOP cheerleading is not unique to a particular age demographic.

Bastiat's The Law
12-28-2013, 12:50 PM
I know college Republicans who claimed they like Ron Paul but ended up voting for Newt Gingrich in the primaries and then Mitt Romney in the general election. The same people are now clamoring for Ted Cruz because he'll bring in the Hispanic vote.

GOP cheerleading is not unique to a particular age demographic.

Nothing happens overnight. It takes a long time for people to de-program. The tea party and liberty movement have been doing a pretty good job considering what we're up against. Check out what Tom Woods says here, I think it relates to the topic.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlveNAEjwNk

jjdoyle
12-28-2013, 01:24 PM
Maybe for 90-year-old dinosaurs like June, but it's a different ballgame for those under 50. Critical thinking is on the upswing, no thanks to the Liberty Movement.

No, critical thinking is not on the upswing in politics. Mitt Romney and President Obama both got about 60 million votes, each. President Obama lost several million votes. So, maybe critical thinking is on the upswing on the Left, but definitely not on the Right. I see very little, if any evidence of that.

Bastiat's The Law
12-28-2013, 01:58 PM
No, critical thinking is not on the upswing in politics. Mitt Romney and President Obama both got about 60 million votes, each. President Obama lost several million votes. So, maybe critical thinking is on the upswing on the Left, but definitely not on the Right. I see very little, if any evidence of that.

Yes it is. Watch that video I posted in the other thread.

HOLLYWOOD
12-28-2013, 01:59 PM
Oh the spoils of the Aristocrat... That's it 'Huckster-Huckabee', keep backing the fraud game and the fraudsters...

http://www.joelane.com/images/the-huckabees.jpg

Christian Liberty
12-28-2013, 02:06 PM
I don't know if he's the exception or the norm, but my dad is moving in our direction, but he still voted for Romney. Not because he liked him, but because he thought Obama would be even worse.

I don't like it, but whatever.

As for Huckabee, I knew he was a neocon shill ever since I looked at his positions. Absolutely disgusting. Wolf in sheep's clothing.

HOLLYWOOD
12-28-2013, 03:49 PM
Check this out... SC Crackheads want president:
1st) Huckabee
2nd) Jeb Bush
3rd) Undecided
4th) Chris Christie

The power of media and mind control

http://gravismarketing.com/polling-and-market-research/south-carolina-public-opinion-poll-us-senate-presidential-primary-republican/


Gravis Marketing South Carolina Political Poll For US Senate And Republican Presidential Primary

South Carolina Public Opinion Poll

Results for 11/30/2013 – 12/2/2013 conducted automated telephone interviews on landline telephone numbers. Gravis contacted a random sample of prior republican primary voters in SC, 601 registered voters completed the poll, the margin of error was 4%

Executive Summary

Human Events and Gravis Marketing (http://gravismarketing.com/predictive-dialer-hosted-dialer/) conducted a random survey of 601 registered South Carolina voters regarding current events, including potential presidential and senate candidates. The poll carries a margin of error of 4%. The results follow; crosstabs are available upon request.
Of the currently mentioned contenders for the Republican presidential nominee New Jersey Governor Chris Cristie is ahead with 17% of the vote. Overall, no clear front-runner has emerged.
Interestingly, on the U.S. Senate seat, respondents preferred Jim DeMint to Senator Lindsey Graham by a 47% to 36% advantage. When asked about having a Tea Party challenger in the Republican primary, respondents were evenly split, with 39% wanting a Tea Party challenger, while 37% do not.
While the June primary is still six months away, it is significant that an incumbent Republican senator in a solidly conservative state has four primary opponents. Senator Graham easily beats each of the candidates, yet there is a bloc of undecided voters representing more than 20 percent of the Republican voter. Graham, a congressman and then senator since 1995, needs to close the sale with these undecided, since he is a know quantity, or he may find himself a victim to one of his challengers picking up support from both the undecided and from other candidates, who fall out of contention.


Q3: If the Republican primary were held today for US Senate, whom would you vote for: Lindsey Graham or Jim DeMint?
http://gravismarketing.com/gravis/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Graham-or-DeMint-All-Voters.png

Q4: If the Republican primary were held today for US Senate, whom would you vote for: Lindsey Graham, Lee Bright, Richard Cash, Nancy Mace or Bill Connor?


http://gravismarketing.com/gravis/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Republican-Senate-Primary-All-Voters.png

Q5: Would you support a “Tea Party” challenger to Senator Graham?
http://gravismarketing.com/gravis/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Tea-Party-Challenger-All-Voters.png


President:
http://gravismarketing.com/gravis/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Republican-Presidential-Primary-Republicans.png

NIU Students for Liberty
12-28-2013, 04:25 PM
Nothing happens overnight. It takes a long time for people to de-program. The tea party and liberty movement have been doing a pretty good job considering what we're up against. Check out what Tom Woods says here, I think it relates to the topic.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlveNAEjwNk

The "liberty" movement has been a game changer in terms of bringing national attention to topics such as foreign policy, civil liberties, and the Federal Reserve that would have otherwise been ignored by the same Republicans that now coalesce around the Tea Party, a group that is doing nothing but damaging the credibility of these ideas.

DamianTV
12-28-2013, 04:51 PM
Im not suprised at all. Fakeabee was never a true Libertarian candidate, and this point is only validated by him offering support for Lindsey Graham, one of the Worst Offenders in office right now.

Brian4Liberty
12-28-2013, 05:41 PM
Check this out... SC Crackheads want president:
1st) Huckabee
2nd) Jeb Bush
3rd) Undecided
4th) Chris Christie

The power of media and mind control


Not sure I would trust that polling organization. Political consultants, probably paid by Graham backers.

HOLLYWOOD
12-28-2013, 05:48 PM
Not sure I would trust that polling organization. Political consultants, probably paid by Graham backers.I don't trust any poll... just exploit there true motive... institute fraudulent political numbers to fool & steer the public. Just like bugs to the Blue Zapper lights at night.

GunnyFreedom
12-28-2013, 05:55 PM
Check this out... SC Crackheads want president:
1st) Huckabee
2nd) Jeb Bush
3rd) Undecided
4th) Chris Christie

The power of media and mind control

http://gravismarketing.com/polling-and-market-research/south-carolina-public-opinion-poll-us-senate-presidential-primary-republican/



President:
http://gravismarketing.com/gravis/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Republican-Presidential-Primary-Republicans.png
What do you expect from "christians" who boo Jesus Christ?

Boy, these people are in for some fireworks on Judgement Day....

GunnyFreedom
12-28-2013, 06:01 PM
I don't know if he's the exception or the norm, but my dad is moving in our direction, but he still voted for Romney. Not because he liked him, but because he thought Obama would be even worse.

I don't like it, but whatever.

As for Huckabee, I knew he was a neocon shill ever since I looked at his positions. Absolutely disgusting. Wolf in sheep's clothing.

Well, I thought R-money would be (marginally) better than Obummer too. Not really enough to make a spit worth of difference mind you, but enough that it would be just visible. Nevertheless, here is what mainstream GOPers don't seem to get yet:

your dog craps on the floor you holler and punish and he learns to not do that again.

your dog craps on the floor and you say, "that's OK at least he crapped in the kitchen and not on the carpet" and your dog will crap in the kitchen for the rest of his life.

jjdoyle
12-28-2013, 07:14 PM
Yes it is. Watch that video I posted in the other thread.

I watched/listened to the video, but I must be missing something. How does that prove voters are getting more critical in their thinking? It's Tom Woods, preaching to the choir.

Christian Liberty
12-28-2013, 11:09 PM
Well, I thought R-money would be (marginally) better than Obummer too. Not really enough to make a spit worth of difference mind you, but enough that it would be just visible. Nevertheless, here is what mainstream GOPers don't seem to get yet:

your dog craps on the floor you holler and punish and he learns to not do that again.

your dog craps on the floor and you say, "that's OK at least he crapped in the kitchen and not on the carpet" and your dog will crap in the kitchen for the rest of his life.

That's fine, and you're pretty much right here. My dad actually thought he (Romney) was enough better to actually vote for, which is what I don't like.

That said, I honestly (Again, very marginally) prefer Obama (That's kind of like saying you prefer the dog to crap on the kitchen VS the carpet, but there you go) over Romney for a couple of reasons. Most of which don't have very much to do with Obama himself, or Romney for that matter, and much more to do with their supporters.

1. For all their flaws, Obama's "base" is not really pushing for war with Iran, and Obama's base isn't really attacking him for "not supporting Israel." The kind of people who obsess over that kind of stuff are in Romney's camp. Thus, they would have more influence over Romney than they do over Obama.

2. Republicans tend to hate big government only when its democrats doing it (except for military worship of course, which they love all the time), while democrats pretty much love big government whenever. There was no Tea Party under Bush, and I think its pretty obvious why that is. Then again, maybe I'm wrong.

And... this is kind of a new reason that wouldn't have applied in 2012, but Obama just pardoned 8 drug "criminals." That's far, far less than what needs to happen, but Romney was all about making the penalties WORSE, in fact, I believe he admitted to such. I don't think Romney would have pardoned those 8 people. And again, this comes down to Obama's base being much less thrilled with the drug war than Romney's base, even if Obama and Romney themselves both completely agree with the drug war.

Don't get me wrong, its just a hair. It really is. I'm usually comfortable saying there's no practical difference between them. But if I had to come down one way or another, as much as I'd prefer Gary Johnson, or honestly, even Jill Stein (More honest, and thus marginally less awful) than either of them, if I really had to come down between just those two, I'd pick Obama, just by a hair. If you consider the fact that Obama winning means that Rand Paul is actually able to run in 2016, that hair becomes a little more significant, but ignoring that fact, its pretty miniscule. I'd take a 1/2% chance of President Gary Johnson (Who is himself fairly mediocre, but FAR better than Obama/Romney) over getting to pick Obama over Romney.

GunnyFreedom
12-28-2013, 11:38 PM
Aye, either way what mainstreamers do not seem to get is that you cannot reward the dog that craps inside the house, or you will never live in a crap-free house.

Lord Xar
12-29-2013, 12:35 AM
Huckabee is NOT a true republican. He is a statist. And the only reason he sides, currently, with the GOP is because of two reasons.
1. They love war
2. They really love the war

Hukabee is an establishment rino hack with sprinkles of neo-con.

ObiRandKenobi
12-29-2013, 04:14 AM
mike huckabee is fat and stupid

JK/SEA
12-29-2013, 08:05 AM
Huck/Beck for prez...

i'm in.

anyone else?

compromise
12-29-2013, 10:44 AM
Huck/Beck for prez...

i'm in.

anyone else?

Beck doesn't support Huckabee and described him as a progressive.

jjdoyle
12-29-2013, 10:57 AM
Beck doesn't support Huckabee and described him as a progressive.

Ah, that's political theater. He has time to change it, just as he did with RP support between the '08 campaign and the '12 campaign.
Didn't RP go from crazy politician, to almost hero, back to crazy politician.

NIU Students for Liberty
12-29-2013, 11:22 AM
Beck doesn't support Huckabee and described him as a progressive.

He supported Santorum and then got behind Romney. Try again.

Bastiat's The Law
12-29-2013, 12:41 PM
I watched/listened to the video, but I must be missing something. How does that prove voters are getting more critical in their thinking? It's Tom Woods, preaching to the choir.

You missed that we're changing the conversation in this country. You could credit Ron Paul and the Liberty Movement to a large extent with the U.S. not going to war in Syria. We made that outcome possible by laying the groundwork and changing opinions for years.

Bastiat's The Law
12-29-2013, 12:44 PM
Aye, either way what mainstreamers do not seem to get is that you cannot reward the dog that craps inside the house, or you will never live in a crap-free house.

Exactly this!

RandallFan
12-29-2013, 06:42 PM
Huckabee won a lot of states in the south along with Kansas and Iowa which have pretty conservative GOP delegations.

TaftFan
12-29-2013, 07:52 PM
I got this on the front page of RedState: http://www.redstate.com/freedomrepublican/2013/12/27/ahead-of-possible-2016-run-mike-huckabee-endorses-lindsey-graham/

The more people who know about this, the less likely Huck gets support.

xkrazy201x
12-30-2013, 10:57 AM
I don't particularly agree with Mike Huckabee's dispensationalist slant on foreign policy. I certainly didn't like his watered down show concerning the Common Core Standard. I most certainly will not have anything to do with him now that he supports Graham. It's becoming increasingly rare in finding a voice for Biblical, Christian perspectives within politics.

Christian Liberty
12-30-2013, 11:02 AM
I don't particularly agree with Mike Huckabee's dispensationalist slant on foreign policy. I certainly didn't like his watered down show concerning the Common Core Standard. I most certainly will not have anything to do with him now that he supports Graham. It's becoming increasingly rare in finding a voice for Biblical, Christian perspectives within politics.

Rand Paul is the only one who comes anywhere near.

Even there you have some compromises, but what are you gonna do, I guess.

Politicians are very good at faking personal faith. I was looking at one of Huckabee's books one time (My aunt had it and I was looking through it) and he condemned one of his congregants for being a democrat because their party believes in killing children. It is by Huckabee's same logic that I condemn him, because he also supports murdering children.

xkrazy201x
12-30-2013, 11:23 AM
Rand Paul is the only one who comes anywhere near.

Even there you have some compromises, but what are you gonna do, I guess.

Politicians are very good at faking personal faith. I was looking at one of Huckabee's books one time (My aunt had it and I was looking through it) and he condemned one of his congregants for being a democrat because their party believes in killing children. It is by Huckabee's same logic that I condemn him, because he also supports murdering children.

That's a really good point. It's one thing to advocate for the pro-life movement, which I fully support; however, it is hypocritical to judge someone else for murdering children and then sanctify the actions of a military that murder's children overseas.

Matthew 7:1
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again

He has a right to criticize a view, however, if he expresses the same view and yet still passes judgment, he is in violation of God's commandment.

Christian Liberty
12-30-2013, 11:28 AM
That's a really good point. It's one thing to advocate for the pro-life movement, which I fully support; however, it is hypocritical to judge someone else for murdering children and then sanctify the actions of a military that murder's children overseas.

Matthew 7:1
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again

He has a right to criticize a view, however, if he expresses the same view and yet still passes judgment, he is in violation of God's commandment.

I agree. I'm completely on board with the pro-life view as well, although I do not believe the constitution gives the Federal Government any right to be involved in abortion. For now I support it being banned by the state governments, although I'd ultimately like to see society get to a point where all murder, and all theft for that matter (And thus, all conventional government) was seen as inherently wrong by the vast majority of people, at which point abortionists would be handled the same way other murderers were handled.

But... I will say this... as bad as abortion is, its not generally the government that is actually doing that killing. It is the women and their doctors. On the other hand, warmongering is killing done by, and in the name of, the State. All the murder-by-cop stories would similarly be done in the name of The State.

xkrazy201x
12-30-2013, 11:49 AM
I agree. I'm completely on board with the pro-life view as well, although I do not believe the constitution gives the Federal Government any right to be involved in abortion. For now I support it being banned by the state governments, although I'd ultimately like to see society get to a point where all murder, and all theft for that matter (And thus, all conventional government) was seen as inherently wrong by the vast majority of people, at which point abortionists would be handled the same way other murderers were handled.

But... I will say this... as bad as abortion is, its not generally the government that is actually doing that killing. It is the women and their doctors. On the other hand, warmongering is killing done by, and in the name of, the State. All the murder-by-cop stories would similarly be done in the name of The State.

I'm right there with you! I know this is off topic, but it's worth mentioning the solution to the abortion issue, from a Christian, pro-life perspective, does not involve any government, federal, state, or local. Instead, it involves sharing the gospel. It is the sole responsibility of God to change a person's moral position and beliefs. It's foolish to think that we can rely on corruptible men to solve these moral problems of today, it's even more foolish to believe change will come from men who are themselves the source of corruption.

On topic: I get turned off when politicians "represent" the Christian demographic, as if we are all one monolithic entity that responds well to all preconceived talking points. My hope is everyone here doesn't label all Christians in America as Huckabee types. There are some of us who can spot the made in China wolf's clothing.

Intoxiklown
12-30-2013, 11:50 AM
Huck/Beck for prez...

i'm in.

anyone else?


I am liquidating all my assets as we speak ( I will move my family to a homeless shelter) so help fund the PAC to support this great ticket.

Subjugation!

<3!

otherone
12-30-2013, 12:15 PM
http://i.imgur.com/UOJj25C.png

translation: Eat shit so you won't have to eat crap

jjdoyle
12-30-2013, 01:04 PM
You missed that we're changing the conversation in this country. You could credit Ron Paul and the Liberty Movement to a large extent with the U.S. not going to war in Syria. We made that outcome possible by laying the groundwork and changing opinions for years.

The U.S. not going to war in Syria could be associated with the fact President Obama is a Democrat as well, and was listening to some of his base (those people that seemed to have vanished from the streets with their "End the Wars!" signs when he was elected).

Also, Billy Bob voter hates anything that President Obama may do, so just because we could point to a Republican that might have been against going to Syria, doesn't really mean much. It's the same as pointing to the Democrats that were against Iraq, but not against the Balkans issue in the 90s. I don't know that I would associate not going to war in Syria, with the Liberty Movement, or the fact President Obama may have actually listened to his base more.

I mean, when we have a potential 2016 presidential candidate that is endorsing Mitch McConnell Lindsey Graham, how are we really changing the conversation?
And more importantly, as he said in the video, actions speak louder than words. It doesn't matter what the conversation is, if the actions aren't there to back them up. If we aren't replacing the politicians with new ones that have buried us in this mess, then the conversation matters very little.

satchelmcqueen
12-30-2013, 02:38 PM
jesus must be a war monger yes? just going by hucks world views here.