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Anti Federalist
12-23-2013, 12:27 PM
The next Detroit? Atlantic City and Las Vegas facing catastrophic collapse

Posted: Dec 21, 2013 5:04 PM EST Updated: Dec 23, 2013 12:54 AM EST

http://www.myfoxny.com/story/24280415/the-next-detroit-atlantic-city-and-las-vegas-facing-catastrophic-collapse

MYFOXNY.COM - With the closure of the recent Atlantic Club Casino Hotel, rumors of the bankrupt Revel being sold to Hard Rock, more than half of the mortgages in Las Vegas under water, casinos opening up all around the country and online gambling legislation underway in various states, it seems as if the reasons for the very existence of Atlantic City and Las Vegas are in serious jeopardy.

Beginning in the late 1940s, Las Vegas became known as the 'adult playground of the world.' Celebrities knew they made the big time when their names graced the billboards of ‘Sin City.’ Gamblers hoping to make money would flock there all year and families looking for a nice getaway would enjoy relaxing by the extravagant swimming pools under the hot desert sun, seeing the various shows and concerts, and whenever possible, sneaking away to the blackjack tables while their kids slept.

It was paradise.

On the other hand, Atlantic City, once a major vacation spot during the roaring 20s and 1930s, as seen on HBOs Boardwalk Empire, collapsed when cheap air fare became the norm and people had no reason to head to the many beach town resorts on the East Coast. Within a few decades, the city, known for being an ‘oasis of sin’ during the prohibition era, fell into serious decline and dilapidation.

New Jersey officials felt the only way to bring Atlantic City back from the brink of disaster would be to legalize gambling. Atlantic City’s first casino, Resorts, first opened its doors in 1978. People stood shoulder to shoulder, packed into the hotel as gambling officially made its way to the East Coast. Folks in the East Coast didn't have to make a special trip all the way to Vegas in order to enjoy some craps, slots, roulette and more.

As time wore on, Atlantic City and Las Vegas became the premier gambling spots in the country.

While detractors felt that the area still remained poor and dilapidated, officials were quick to point out that the casinos didn't bring the mass gentrification to Atlantic City as much as they hoped but the billions of dollars in revenue and thousands of jobs for the surrounding communities was well worth it.

Atlantic City developed a reputation as more of a short-stay ‘day-cation’ type of place, yet managed to stand firm against the 'adult playground' and 'entertainment capital of the world' Las Vegas.

Through-out the 1980s and 1990s, these two places would become an integral part of American pop culture as the place to gamble and have fun no matter which coast you lived at.

However in the late 1980s, a landmark ruling considered Native-American reservations to be sovereign entities not bound by state law. It was the first potential threat to the iron grip Atlantic City and Vegas had on the gambling and entertainment industry.

Huge 'mega casinos' were built on reservations that rivaled Atlantic City and Vegas. In turn, Vegas built even more impressive casinos.

Atlantic City, in an attempt to make the city more appealing to the ‘big whale’ millionaire and billionaire gamblers, and in effort to move away from its ‘seedy’ reputation, built the luxurious Borgata casino in 2003. Harrah’s created a billion dollar extension and other casinos in the area went through serious renovations and re-branded themselves.

It seemed as if the bite that the Native American casinos took out of AC and Vegas’ profits was negligible and that the dominance of those two cities in the world of gambling would remain unchallenged.

Then Macau, formally a colony of Portugal, was handed back to the Chinese in 1999. The gambling industry there had been operated under a government-issued monopoly license by Stanley Ho's Sociedade de Turismo e Diversões de Macau. The monopoly was ended in 2002 and several casino owners from Las Vegas attempted to enter the market.

Under the one country, two systems policy, the territory remained virtually unchanged aside from mega casinos popping up everywhere. All the rich ‘whales’ from the far east had no reason anymore to go to Las Vegas to spend their money.

Then came their biggest threat.

As revenue from dog and horse racing tracks around the United States dried up, government officials needed a way to bring back jobs and revitalize the surrounding communities. Slot machines in race tracks started in Iowa in 1994 but took off in 2004 when Pennsylvania introduced ‘Racinos’ in an effort to reduce property taxes for the state and to help depressed areas bounce back.

As of 2013, racinos are legal in ten states: Delaware, Louisiana, Maine, New Mexico, New York, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and West Virginia

Tracks like Delaware Park and West Virginia's Mountaineer Park, once considered places where local degenerates bet on broken-down nags in claiming races, are now among the wealthiest tracks around, with the best races.

The famous Aqueduct race track in Queens, NY, once facing an uncertain future, now possesses the most profitable casino in the United States.

From June 2012 to June 2013, Aqueduct matched a quarter of Atlantic City's total gaming revenue from its dozen casinos: $729.2 million compared with A.C.'s $2.9 billion. It has taken an estimated 15 percent hit on New Jersey casino revenue and climbing.

And it isn't just Aqueduct that's taking business away from them. Atlantic City's closest major city, Philadelphia, only 35-40 minutes away, and one of the largest cities in America, now has a casino that has contributed heavily to the decline in gamers visiting the area.

The situation in Vegas isn't much better. The Great Recession of the late 2000s hit Las Vegas hard. As the recession wore on, and as gambling received approval in various jurisdictions throughout the United States, folks realized they didn't need to travel thousands of miles just to gamble.

Casino revenues and the price of real estate plummeted. Unemployment went as high as 14 percent, however unofficially, local officials said it may have been as high as 30 percent.

More than half of all home owners with a mortgage in the entire state of Nevada owe more than their homes are worth.

One local bought his condo in 2006 for $209,000, and as of 2012 it was worth barely $60,000.

However, in mid 2013 housing prices started to bounce back in what many are calling a new bubble.

But according to Bloomberg.com this so-called bubble is simply from banks completing their foreclosures and holding onto inventory.

The increased value of properties has been attracting various investors and speculators, which is helping fuel this latest rise in real estate prices.

Experts say once banks start releasing the foreclosed homes into the market to start selling them, the prices may begin to get depressed again.

In Las Vegas alone, more than half of properties with mortgages are still underwater, or worth less than the loans against them, according to Zillow Inc., a real estate data firm.

Trendy hotels like SLS Las Vegas are set to open in 2014, in an effort to reinvent the city as purely an entertainment paradise.

One local said “The reality is, people just won’t fly to the middle of a desert to play some slots, watch shows and sit down for some blackjack when they can drive right near their town or city, or play legally online.”

And now it looks like the feds may soon allow online gambling across the United States.

Last May, the American Gaming Association called on Congress to enact federal legislation that would allow states to license and regulate online poker so Americans who play can do so safely using responsible, law-abiding operators. The Department of Justice made a decision that the Federal Wire Act only prohibits the transmission of communications relative to bets or wagers on sporting events or contests. It also clarifies that intrastate lottery tickets sold online are legal, so long as the lottery games do not involve sport wagering, even if the transmission crosses state lines.

Officials say this has opened up the possibility that online gambling may get approved on a federal level.

New Jersey is the third state in the U.S. to have authorized internet gambling. However, these online casinos are owned and controlled by Atlantic City casinos in an effort to boost profits in the face of fierce competition.

California, Hawaii, Illinois, Iowa, Massachusetts, Mississippi, Pennsylvania and Texas are hoping to join Delaware, Nevada, New Jersey and the U.S. Virgin Islands in offering online gambling to their residents.

Nevada also enacted modifications to their internet gambling law to allow for interstate compacts, among other provisions in hopes to draw higher stakes jackpots, similar to the Mega Millions and Power Ball lottery games that are played in multiple states.

With this in mind, it seems the niche that Las Vegas and Atlantic City once offered as a gambling and entertainment hub is heading toward the dustbin of history.

Time will tell if these two cities will end up like Detroit. However, the fact that they are losing their biggest industries to major competition, much like Detroit did, with depressed housing, casinos bankrupting/closing and businesses fleeing, makes their fate seem eerily similar.

VoluntaryAmerican
12-23-2013, 12:57 PM
AC went downhill a long time ago from my reading of Boardwalk Empire (more boring than the shows but I recommend it for an inside look at political corruption) but I don't see anyway to save the city. In NJ expect the State to take over more cities, it's already happening in Camden and Atlantic City.

specsaregood
12-23-2013, 01:00 PM
When Christie runs for president he can proudly claim to have been governor when:
1. The NJ state government took control of the casinos away from the local government.
2. Welcomed in the first strip club to atlantic city
3. Signed the bill allowing internet gambling
4. Gave away nearly $300million in tax incentives to a failed new casino enterprise (rEvel)

Those conservative credentials should do him good in IA.

Keith and stuff
12-23-2013, 01:08 PM
The tallest building in Flint, MI was unused for 15 years. It was just taken down. There are 100s of useless building in Detroit, LA, Las Vegas, Atlantic City, Cleveland and other cities that might as well be taken down. Make the mayor's of these failed cities live in tents on the vacant land. That will teach them. Film the take downs and use them in action movies. Let private companies put up parking lots to reduce parking issues. Turn them into kitty cat parks.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXtG_KhcPOo

If fire fighters and police weren't making $200,000-$300,000 a year plus health care, and with insane pensions, cites would be in better fiscal shape.

PRB
12-23-2013, 01:23 PM
I sure as hell hope Las Vegas collapses soon, those guys have been sucking money our of Americans for way too long

WM_in_MO
12-23-2013, 01:27 PM
Using government to protect private industries from competitors... what the word for that again?

PRB
12-23-2013, 01:30 PM
Using government to protect private industries from competitors... what the word for that again?

it's called capitalism if the government was paid by the protected people, you're allowed to hire private guns, so why is it wrong to hire public guns?

WM_in_MO
12-23-2013, 02:05 PM
it's called capitalism if the government was paid by the protected people, you're allowed to hire private guns, so why is it wrong to hire public guns?
Oh god, I hope you're kidding.

If you're not please leave.

kathy88
12-23-2013, 02:17 PM
Using government to protect private industries from competitors... what the word for that again?

Wait.. wut?

Paulbot99
12-23-2013, 02:22 PM
Using government to protect private industries from competitors... what the word for that again?

Corporatism, fascism, etc.

cocrehamster
12-23-2013, 03:17 PM
If fire fighters and police weren't making $200,000-$300,000 a year plus health care, and with insane pensions, cites would be in better fiscal shape.

Source on that salary info?

Keith and stuff
12-23-2013, 03:20 PM
Source on that salary info?
It's from another thread here. Maybe I should have linked to it, sorry.

SF - Top 14 city earners (over $300k) are firefighters and police
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?436251-SF-Top-14-city-earners-%28over-300k%29-are-firefighters-and-police


No less than 10,281 of the city's roughly 28,000 employees earned at least $100,000 in total compensation in the last fiscal year. From the article, I cannot tell if health insurance is included in total compensation. It doesn't look like it. So that could be an addition $50,000 a year.

Anti Federalist
12-23-2013, 04:30 PM
AC went downhill a long time ago from my reading of Boardwalk Empire (more boring than the shows but I recommend it for an inside look at political corruption) but I don't see anyway to save the city. In NJ expect the State to take over more cities, it's already happening in Camden and Atlantic City.

Yes, quite of few of the NJ resort towns bit the dust during the Depression and never came back.

I'm old enough to remember what AC was like before the casinos. A lot like Asbury Park (my Alma Mater at least until I quit LOL).

I also remember that idiot governor Byrne, giving a speech on the benefits of casino gambling and including a stern lecture directed at organized crime to "stay the hell out of Atlantic City".

LOL and LOL

alucard13mm
12-23-2013, 05:36 PM
Let them collapse.. government can't prop them up forever. Nothing lives forever.

juleswin
12-23-2013, 05:43 PM
First of all, the new forum rules says you cannot list whole articles and post it as an OP

I am wondering if the problem with Las Vegas and Atlantic city is caused more by an economic decline in the country than anything going on in India reservation or online. Las vegas for sure is still the preeminent destination for people trying to have fun and even online gambling cannot compare to the real thing of being in a real casino.

One of the items on my to do list if I had won the lottery was to quit my job and move to Las Vegas. The beautiful weather, awesome casinos and world class entertainment is very appealing to many people who will still be flocking to it if only they had more disposable income.

Anti Federalist
12-23-2013, 07:47 PM
First of all, the new forum rules says you cannot list whole articles and post it as an OP

First, nothing is more irritating to me than someone who posts a link with no further information whatsoever.

Second, many stories would end up in the memory hole if they were not posted and saved, in their entirety, elsewhere...like here.

Thirdly, I have had no complaints from mods. The stories are linked to the original source and no claim is ever made that they are original content.

Report me.

cocrehamster
12-23-2013, 07:55 PM
It's from another thread here. Maybe I should have linked to it, sorry.

SF - Top 14 city earners (over $300k) are firefighters and police
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?436251-SF-Top-14-city-earners-%28over-300k%29-are-firefighters-and-police

From the article, I cannot tell if health insurance is included in total compensation. It doesn't look like it. So that could be an addition $50,000 a year.

Thanks. That's absolutely incredible, must be nice.

VoluntaryAmerican
12-23-2013, 09:03 PM
Yes, quite of few of the NJ resort towns bit the dust during the Depression and never came back.

I'm old enough to remember what AC was like before the casinos. A lot like Asbury Park (my Alma Mater at least until I quit LOL).

I also remember that idiot governor Byrne, giving a speech on the benefits of casino gambling and including a stern lecture directed at organized crime to "stay the hell out of Atlantic City".

LOL and LOL
An old friend of mine covered organized crime in AC and he said they were there from the start... they helped fund the first two casinos. The casino control commission is a joke.


When Christie runs for president he can proudly claim to have been governor when:
1. The NJ state government took control of the casinos away from the local government.
2. Welcomed in the first strip club to atlantic city
3. Signed the bill allowing internet gambling
4. Gave away nearly $300million in tax incentives to a failed new casino enterprise (rEvel)

Those conservative credentials should do him good in IA.

Atlantic City should have legalized gambling/prostitution much earlier in it's history.

Teenager For Ron Paul
12-24-2013, 12:31 AM
Dammit. I <3 Las Vegas.