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Keith and stuff
12-20-2013, 06:49 PM
New Hampshire’s state legislature is nine times larger than Nebraska’s
By Niraj Chokshi
December 20 at 6:01 am
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2013/12/20/new-hampshires-state-legislature-is-nine-times-larger-than-nebraskas/


Earlier this week, we wrote about how Pennsylvania’s legislature is considering downsizing (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2013/12/18/pennsylvanias-house-votes-to-shrink-the-pennsylvania-house/) in what would be the first meaningful change to a state legislature since Rhode Island made a reduction in 2004.

In reporting that piece, we reached out to the folks at... National Conference of State Legislatures, and they graciously provided us with state-by-state data on the sizes of legislative bodies in each state. They can vary a lot. Nebraska is home to just 49 state legislators, while New Hampshire’s legislature is almost nine times larger with 424 members. All told, there are 7,383 state lawmakers in the country...

House lawmakers in California represent just over 475,000 constituents each, more than counterparts in any other state. And in California and Texas, state senators represent more constituents than does any member of the U.S. House of Representatives. Members of the New Hampshire and Vermont Houses represent the fewest constituents of any state. The average number of constituents per district in Vermont is 4,173, while in New Hampshire it is just 3,302. [correction, it isn't the number of constituents per district, it is the number of constituents per legislator. NH and VT are 2 of the 10 states where some districts are multi-seat.] A change to the size of Pennsylvania’s legislature would mean each House member there would represent 83,000 people, up from 62,500, according to The Patriot News.

How does your state stack up?
Total legislators

So I don't know where to stand on this. The more representation the better. The lower the costs of elections, the better, because that prevents people from being bought off. It works great for NH because they only make $100 a year in salary and the 400 house members get little lockers, just like middle school kids, for offices. But in PA, legislators make $80,000 a year plus good benefits. If PA went from 253 legislators to 191, it would save the taxpayers a lot of money in pay, benefits, office space, assistants and so on. But it would likely lead to legislators that are even more bought and paid for in PA, plus it would be harder to interact with them. And it would make running for office more expensive so in some ways, the proposed changes are just an Incumbent Protection Act. While additionally, it might save the taxpayers of PA some money, overall, it would likely lead to bigger government at an even faster pace. It's also an Incumbent Protection Act because the new district lines will likely be drawn in a way to help incumbents.

And remember, the current legislature in PA just voted to almost double gas taxes so it's not like these folks should stay in office.

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acptulsa
12-20-2013, 08:12 PM
How do they figure some states have one third of a legislator, or two thirds of a legislator, in their state governments?

The Washington Post is as bizarre as Washington itself.

Keith and stuff
12-20-2013, 08:22 PM
How do they figure some states have one third of a legislator, or two thirds of a legislator, in their state governments?

I don't understand what you mean. Where does it say that?

acptulsa
12-20-2013, 08:23 PM
I don't understand what you mean. Where does it say that?

Read the key to the color codes on their little map.

Keith and stuff
12-20-2013, 08:32 PM
Read the key to the color codes on their little map.
Oh, good find. I also don't understand why it goes up to 425. NH has 424 and it is the largest.
+Rep

HOLLYWOOD
12-20-2013, 11:04 PM
Who gives a shit, propagandist rag paper WaPo... somebody post the representation to actual costs across the nation.

In some of these states, there's career scumbag politicians making $200K + perks + benefits and make a career out of living the elitist lifestyle. Let's see who is temporary and who holds a job in the private sector.

Some states are giving $10,000s dollars per year in "PER DIEM, MILEAGE, EXPENSE ACCOUNTS, ETC"

So tired of conniving lying false reporting of Marxist Media, that does nothing but the brainwashing of Americans and keeping the people/masses divided.

acptulsa
12-20-2013, 11:26 PM
Who gives a shit propagandist rag paper WaPo....

They certainly have a vested interest in minimizing--by ridicule, if possible--state government. And they're not too proud to do it.

VoluntaryAmerican
12-20-2013, 11:27 PM
That's bad they are scaling back in PA... less lawmakers for big business to pay off... just cut their freaking wages and benefits.

Occam's Banana
12-21-2013, 01:55 AM
Sauce for the federal goose, sauce for the state gander ...

Is America Too Big?
Is America too big for democracy? Too big for its traditional republican form? What does it mean if the answer is yes? This video series proposes that the source of our biggest social and political problems is our SIZE. Like the, obese, 600 pound man who experiences heart failure, diabetes, and dozens of other ailments, so too does America, only its diseases go by the names Debt, War, Entitlements, Gridlock, and Corruption. Our problems cannot be fixed through any change in ideology or bi-partisan agreement in Congress, because those are not the root of our problems. The source is our size. As America's population increases, the level of representation and control each voter has must inexorably decrease. As power centralizes in a federal government, literally out of the hands of its citizens, conflicts and problems mount. What can be done? Please watch and join the conversation.
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Keith and stuff
12-21-2013, 02:13 AM
Sauce for the federal goose, sauce for the state gander ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCNd7h0fsdE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCNd7h0fsdE

Interesting video. I'd totally support a 10,000 people US House if it was run like NH. If people were only paid $100 a year, had no benefits, no office and no staff, that would work.

The video does get pretty crazy. It says the largest legislative body in the world is around 600. The so called Democratic People's Republic of China has around 3,000 in it's National People's Congress. But OK, maybe it isn't a Democratic body. The Democratic body in India is around 800.

More importantly, if 95% of the stuff government did happened on a state level, most of our problems could be solved :(

familydog
12-21-2013, 07:47 AM
So I don't know where to stand on this. The more representation the better. The lower the costs of elections, the better, because that prevents people from being bought off. It works great for NH because they only make $100 a year in salary and the 400 house members get little lockers, just like middle school kids, for offices. But in PA, legislators make $80,000 a year plus good benefits. If PA went from 253 legislators to 191, it would save the taxpayers a lot of money in pay, benefits, office space, assistants and so on. But it would likely lead to legislators that are even more bought and paid for in PA, plus it would be harder to interact with them. And it would make running for office more expensive so in some ways, the proposed changes are just an Incumbent Protection Act. While additionally, it might save the taxpayers of PA some money, overall, it would likely lead to bigger government at an even faster pace. It's also an Incumbent Protection Act because the new district lines will likely be drawn in a way to help incumbents.

Pennsylvania legislators love to give themselves midnight pay raises. Reducing the size of the legislature will only serve to give them more excuses to raise pay.

oyarde
12-21-2013, 12:01 PM
Nebraska has only one house of reps and they are restricted to two consecutive terms by term limits.

Keith and stuff
12-21-2013, 12:09 PM
Nebraska has only one house of reps and they are restricted to two consecutive terms by term limits.

Yup. Because of sheer population the representation isn't as bad as in California, for example, but it is terrible in NE. NH has so many legislators, at 424, it doesn't need term limits. It already has the highest turn over of any state without term limits for state races. For national races, it also has the highest turnover in the nation. I can see the case for term limits, even though they are anti-liberty, but thankfully they aren't needed where I live. It's 1 of the positives that comes from living in a swing state. In fact, NH is the most swingy of all the swing states. Perhaps, though, it's more entertaining than useful.

LibForestPaul
12-21-2013, 02:06 PM
Sauce for the federal goose, sauce for the state gander ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCNd7h0fsdE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCNd7h0fsdE

Bout time. Break the broken union.

Tod
12-21-2013, 02:17 PM
New Hampshire’s state legislature is nine times larger than Nebraska’s
By Niraj Chokshi
December 20 at 6:01 am
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2013/12/20/new-hampshires-state-legislature-is-nine-times-larger-than-nebraskas/



So I don't know where to stand on this. The more representation the better. The lower the costs of elections, the better...

A larger number of legislators doesn't give you a bigger say overall. You have more of a say with that particular legislator :), but the legislator has less of a say in the legislature :(

What matters is how many other voters' votes and how much other donation money (from all sources) you are competing against.

The goal should maybe be to give the legislature (and all of government) less of a say in running YOUR LIFE. (and less of a say in running your neighbors' lives.)

RonPaulMall
12-21-2013, 03:22 PM
I don't think the number of legislators matters as much as whether you pay them or not. Also remember that in a lot of states (as well as at the national level) increasing the number of overall Reps just increases the power of cities at the expense of rural voters and ends up giving us more Democrats.

Anti Federalist
12-21-2013, 03:54 PM
Pennsylvania legislators love to give themselves midnight pay raises. Reducing the size of the legislature will only serve to give them more excuses to raise pay.

You, Comrade, obviously have no idea how hard working these valiant lawmakers are, slaving away day and night, keeping you safe and bringing you prosperity.

You are reported.

green73
12-21-2013, 05:11 PM
Interesting video. I'd totally support a 10,000 people US House if it was run like NH. If people were only paid $100 a year, had no benefits, no office and no staff, that would work.

The video does get pretty crazy. It says the largest legislative body in the world is around 600. The so called Democratic People's Republic of China has around 3,000 in it's National People's Congress. But OK, maybe it isn't a Democratic body. The Democratic body in India is around 800.

More importantly, if 95% of the stuff government did happened on a state level, most of our problems could be solved :(


Slash their wages vastly. Only people who really care should do it. Skype the whole works; keep them out of Washington and at home in their districts nearer the nooses. That would be a start.

mad cow
12-21-2013, 05:25 PM
Yep.With modern communications there is no business for them to be in DC in the first place.Pay them ~$5000/year and let them legislate from home.
That's from their own house,not their State capitol.

People are willing to pay millions of dollars to be in congress,I don't worry about finding enough volunteers willing to do this job for 5 grand and it would sure make the lobbyists' job more difficult.

VoluntaryAmerican
12-22-2013, 12:30 PM
bump