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PeaceRequiresAnarchy
12-18-2013, 06:11 PM
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green73
12-18-2013, 06:35 PM
Work on that dive, Jeff. Bump!

green73
12-18-2013, 06:39 PM
Are they going to freeze out the Mises and LRC people? Because if they are, I'm not promoting it. And just so you know, Tucker is one of my favorite people in the world.

PeaceRequiresAnarchy
12-18-2013, 06:46 PM
Work on that dive, Jeff. Bump!
Yes, that was hilarious :-)


Are they going to freeze out the Mises and LRC people?
What do you mean?

heavenlyboy34
12-18-2013, 06:50 PM
w00t! :D

green73
12-18-2013, 07:12 PM
Yes, that was hilarious :-)


What do you mean?

Well, i sense there's some animosity from him toward Mises. I know personally he doesn't feel they've been bitcoin-friendly enough. But I think it's more than that. I know Mises couldn't match the the boatload of money Agora offered him to leaves Mises--I hope it has nothing to do with that. But in watching that video at the point they show the faces of the people (just a sample, I know) they'll be promoting, there wasn't a single one from the Mises Institute. No David Gordon, Bob Murphy, Tom Woods, Tom Dilorenzo... FFS.

NewRightLibertarian
12-18-2013, 07:21 PM
Well, i sense there's some animosity from him toward Mises. I know personally he doesn't feel they've been bitcoin-friendly enough. But I think it's more than that. I know Mises couldn't match the the boatload of money Agora offered him to leaves Mises--I hope it has nothing to do with that. But in watching that video at the point they show the faces of the people (just a sample, I know) they'll be promoting, there wasn't a single one from the Mises Institute. No David Gordon, Bob Murphy, Tom Woods, Tom Dilorenzo... FFS.

I doubt there's animosity considering how similar the messages are. It just appears that the Mises people are not directly involved in the project. I wouldn't read into it as anything more.

green73
12-18-2013, 07:32 PM
I doubt there's animosity considering how similar the messages are. It just appears that the Mises people are not directly involved in the project. I wouldn't read into it as anything more.

I wonder if Doug Casey and Bill Bonner are directly involved. If they are, that's great. I'll take a wait and see attitude towards it.

noneedtoaggress
12-18-2013, 08:09 PM
No David Gordon, Bob Murphy, Tom Woods, Tom Dilorenzo... FFS.

Bob is on the page if you scroll down.

Right under Kinsella.

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brushfire
12-18-2013, 08:12 PM
Well, i sense there's some animosity from him toward Mises. I know personally he doesn't feel they've been bitcoin-friendly enough. But I think it's more than that. I know Mises couldn't match the the boatload of money Agora offered him to leaves Mises--I hope it has nothing to do with that. But in watching that video at the point they show the faces of the people (just a sample, I know) they'll be promoting, there wasn't a single one from the Mises Institute. No David Gordon, Bob Murphy, Tom Woods, Tom Dilorenzo... FFS.

Doctor Bob is in there... Tom Woods has his own gig, but I could see him stopping by.

No glenn beck though :(

mczerone
12-18-2013, 08:14 PM
Well, i sense there's some animosity from him toward Mises. I know personally he doesn't feel they've been bitcoin-friendly enough. But I think it's more than that. I know Mises couldn't match the the boatload of money Agora offered him to leaves Mises--I hope it has nothing to do with that. But in watching that video at the point they show the faces of the people (just a sample, I know) they'll be promoting, there wasn't a single one from the Mises Institute. No David Gordon, Bob Murphy, Tom Woods, Tom Dilorenzo... FFS.

Tucker has been really close to Stephan Kinsella lately, doing a collaborative podcast from time to time. I was going to say that Kinsella was still friendly with the Mises Institute, but after some research, I'm not so sure.

Kinsella's last publication (http://mises.org/MisesDaily/Index/301?page=0&format=author&Grid-orderBy=DatePosted-desc) on Mises.org was from September 2011.

Kinsella's homepage (http://www.stephankinsella.com/) does not include any reference to the Mises Institute, nor does his blogroll include the "Circle Bastiat" blog that MI hosts.

Tucker's last MI post, "In Praise of Credit Checks (http://mises.org/daily/5789/In-Praise-of-Credit-Checks)," was from almost exactly the same time frame, October 2011.

There indeed seems to have been a rather strict break-up. Can you think of others that were active on mises.org that haven't been there for 2 years? Was it an ideological split, a "direction of the organization" split, or just a conflict of personalities?

Also, Kinsella's last publication (http://mises.org/daily/5789/In-Praise-of-Credit-Checks) on LRC was from April, 2011, which isn't that telling because he only had one every couple of years. More surprising is that Tucker has NEVER had an article on LRC (or equally surprising/appalling, has had his entries scrubbed).

There's nary a mention of Tucker on Tom Woods' site, save for when he was still with mises.org; and Kinsella has just one mention since the end of 2011, though it is relatively positive (introducing Kinsella's podcast).

Bob Murphy has an interview with Tucker (with LFB) on his page, from March 2013, and mentions Tucker in a couple of times in "potpourri" posts, at least acknowledging that Murphy still follows him. Murphy also has a good number of things from Kinsella.

Maybe it's not an institutional rift, but a personal one?

noneedtoaggress
12-18-2013, 08:15 PM
No glenn beck though :(

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Nolan
12-18-2013, 08:27 PM
Jeff is an anarcho-capitalist. He doesn't have the patient spread liberty through education like what Mises Institute is doing. So he want to join the likes of Doug Casey and many of the anarchists supporters of Liberty.me by working around the system.

PeaceRequiresAnarchy
12-18-2013, 08:41 PM
Maybe it's not an institutional rift, but a personal one?
I don't know enough to speculate one way or the other. Has anyone asked Jeff Tucker himself about this? It could be just that he's publishing elsewhere, just because.

green73
12-18-2013, 10:09 PM
Tucker has been really close to Stephan Kinsella lately, doing a collaborative podcast from time to time. I was going to say that Kinsella was still friendly with the Mises Institute, but after some research, I'm not so sure.

Kinsella's last publication (http://mises.org/MisesDaily/Index/301?page=0&format=author&Grid-orderBy=DatePosted-desc) on Mises.org was from September 2011.

Kinsella's homepage (http://www.stephankinsella.com/) does not include any reference to the Mises Institute, nor does his blogroll include the "Circle Bastiat" blog that MI hosts.

Tucker's last MI post, "In Praise of Credit Checks (http://mises.org/daily/5789/In-Praise-of-Credit-Checks)," was from almost exactly the same time frame, October 2011.

There indeed seems to have been a rather strict break-up. Can you think of others that were active on mises.org that haven't been there for 2 years? Was it an ideological split, a "direction of the organization" split, or just a conflict of personalities?

Also, Kinsella's last publication (http://mises.org/daily/5789/In-Praise-of-Credit-Checks) on LRC was from April, 2011, which isn't that telling because he only had one every couple of years. More surprising is that Tucker has NEVER had an article on LRC (or equally surprising/appalling, has had his entries scrubbed).

There's nary a mention of Tucker on Tom Woods' site, save for when he was still with mises.org; and Kinsella has just one mention since the end of 2011, though it is relatively positive (introducing Kinsella's podcast).

Bob Murphy has an interview with Tucker (with LFB) on his page, from March 2013, and mentions Tucker in a couple of times in "potpourri" posts, at least acknowledging that Murphy still follows him. Murphy also has a good number of things from Kinsella.

Maybe it's not an institutional rift, but a personal one?

Douglas French also parted ways for LFB, shortly after Tucker.

I really hadn't thought of Kinsella. I only think of him when it comes to IP. But he's always been close to Tucker. Both still work with Mises of Canada; they do podcasts with Redmond Weissenberger.

Bob Murphy seems to get along with everybody. I'm not surprised he's still involved in all circles.

Overall, the situation is perplexing.

green73
12-18-2013, 10:10 PM
Bob is on the page if you scroll down.

Right under Kinsella.

http://images.indiegogo.com/file_attachments/266145/files/20131217114509-Faces2.jpg?1387309509

Kane and Will Grigg are there too. That's a little better. Still, many big names missing.

green73
12-18-2013, 10:12 PM
Maybe the Lew crew and Mises don't want to be involved, as they have a good thing going.

Occam's Banana
12-19-2013, 02:24 AM
Maybe it's not an institutional rift, but a personal one?

Overall, the situation is perplexing.

Or maybe there is no "rift" at all. Maybe it's just that there are now so many Liberty Movement "names" doing so many different things that not everyone can be involved in everyone else's projects. If so, this is a good thing ...

Let's not ruin it by conjuring the spectre of internecine squabbles - especially when the only "evidence" of such is that so-and-so hasn't published something on this-or-that website, or what's-his-name hasn't mentioned or cited whoever-else on some other website. There are just too many people doing too many things for that kind of "evidence" to carry any weight. It is entirely approprate, for example, that Jeffery Tucker should be more concerned about and involved with LFB (and now, Liberty.me) than with LvMI or LRC.

Based on Tucker's video about Liberty.me, it's seems to have a significantly different mission than that of the Mises Institute, etc. So is it really that suprising that there isn't a lot of overlap between the personages involved? What would be far more worrisome is if we were seeing a growing number of pro-liberty sites & endeavors that all featured the same names & faces. Why on earth should we want such an intellectually incestuous state of affairs? That would forbode stagnation, not expansion ...

Keith and stuff
12-19-2013, 12:50 PM
Not sure how I feel about this. To me, the most important thing is that he doesn't screw this up...


Invitation to Jeffrey Tucker's Pre-launch Online Seminar: "How to Live Free in an Unfree World"

He is clearly taking that almost word for word from Harry Browne's book, How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World. Of course, many years later, Harry Browne came out with an anniversary edition that explained with government's so large right now, it isn't currently possible to live free from insane laws... and that's why he decided to finally get involved in politics. I don't Jeffrey Tucker will mention the new stuff Harry Browne wrote in the anniversary edition, but if he doesn't at least mention and thank Harry Browne as his inspiration, that would be highly dishonest.

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If he meets his goal, you can ask him questions about this project after his speech at the 2014 Liberty Forum.
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NewRightLibertarian
12-21-2013, 12:39 PM
Maybe the Lew crew and Mises don't want to be involved, as they have a good thing going.

I think they have enough on their plate as it is. Tom Woods and Gary North especially considering they're doing Ron Paul's curriculum.

Keith and stuff
01-24-2014, 06:21 PM
Jeffrey Tucker will be speaking about Liberty.Me and other things at Liberty Forum next month. Get your ticket so that you may ask him questions!

Every system has a flaw. Liberty lovers can find the flaw in the system and dramatically improve life through creativity and ingenuity. The state is not as smart as you can be.

Jeffrey Tucker
liberty.me
Friday February 21, 2014 9:45am - 10:30am

http://nhlibertyforum.com/

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