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phill4paul
12-18-2013, 02:22 PM
Two articles on Drudge....


Fla. school named for South general to be changed

Posted: Dec 17, 2013 2:50 PM EST
Updated: Dec 17, 2013 2:52 PM EST
By DEREK KINNER

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. (AP) — A Florida school board has decided to end a decades-long controversy and rename a high school now named for a Confederate general and honorary Ku Klux Klan leader that some historical records say ordered the execution of hundreds of black Union soldiers.

The Duval County School Board said it was following the will of its students Monday when it voted unanimously to change the name of Nathan B. Forrest High in Jacksonville. The change will take place next year once a new name is chosen, said Superintendent Nikolai Vitti.

"What I want is for students at Nathan Bedford Forrest to use this as a civics lesson," Vitti said. He said he hopes students realize that they can make a difference.

Vitti said a majority of students surveyed voiced support for dropping Forrest's name, given his history as a slave trader and some accounts that blame him for issuing an order to execute captured black Union soldiers during the Civil War.

Vitti said he will now conduct a survey to decide the school's new name. The school board is expected to decide the new name early next year.

"Everybody is glad about it," De'jia Boatwright, a 15-year old 10th grader at the school.

( No they are not. Read the next paragraph. p4p)

About half of the faculty and a majority of alumni surveyed disagreed with the name change, but 64 percent of students at the black-majority high school were in favor of dropping the name. The school board said it based its decision on what the students wanted.

The name of the school has been a source of controversy for decades, with school officials continuously refusing to change it despite numerous protests.

Forrest High opened as an all-white school in the 1950s. Its name was suggested by the Daughters of the Confederacy, who saw it as a protest to the U.S. Supreme Court ruling that eventually integrated the nation's public schools.

Born poor in Chapel Hill, Tenn., in 1821, Forrest amassed a fortune as a plantation owner and slave trader, importing Africans long after the practice had been made illegal. At 40, he enlisted as a private in the Confederate army at the outset of the Civil War, rising to a cavalry general in a year.

Some accounts said Forrest ordered black prisoners to be massacred after a victory at Tennessee's Fort Pillow in 1864, though historians question the validity of the claims.

In 1867, the newly formed Klan elected Forrest its honorary Grand Wizard or national leader, but he publicly denied being involved. In 1869, he ordered the Klan to disband because of the members' increasing violence. Two years later, a congressional investigation concluded his involvement had been limited to his attempt to disband it.

After his death in 1877, memorials to him sprung up throughout the South.

Opponents of the name change told the school board said the name change is a waste of money, based on history that may be inaccurate.

"This issue happened 150 years ago," said Jim Taylor, a 1978 Forrest graduate. "We have to move on. Let the issue go . if you guys change the name, this could be a waste of taxpayer money."

The Florida Times-Union quoted Vitti as saying it will cost about $400,000 to change the name on signs, sports uniforms and the gym floor.

Proponents of the name change said the issue would not go away until the board agreed to it.

"If you do not, this issue will come back again and again and again," said Audrey Moran, a former prosecutor and mayoral chief of staff.

Keith Ivey, a 1990 Forrest graduate, told board members that when he played in the school band nearly 25 years ago, several members sat down and refused to participate in the school's traditional song, "Dixie," which the band played every time its football team, the Forrest Rebels, scored a touchdown.

"It does carry a black cloud over the city of Jacksonville," Ivey said.

The removal of the names of key Confederate figures, some of whom participated in the early days of the Ku Klux Klan, is trending through the South and other parts of the country.

For years, communities have been trying, sometimes successfully, to change names of schools, parks and other facilities because they represented Confederate leaders and ideals.

In Memphis, Tenn., the City Council voted in February to change a local park's name from Nathan Bedford Forrest Park to Health Sciences Park, though a statue of Bedford on a horse remains. It also voted to rename Confederate Park as Memphis Park and Jefferson Davis Park as Mississippi River Park.

In Lee County, Fla., NAACP officials have been lobbying for years to change the county's name because it was named for Gen. Robert E. Lee, considered the leading Confederate general of the Civil War, but city officials have refused the request.

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and....


Southern Discomfort: U.S. Army seeks removal of Lee, ‘Stonewall’ Jackson honors
Revisionist history would remove portraits of Confederate legends

The U.S. Army War College, which molds future field generals, has begun discussing whether it should remove its portraits of Confederate generals — including those of Robert E. Lee and Thomas “Stonewall” Jackson.

Nestled in rural Pennsylvania on the 500-acre Carlisle Barracks, the war college is conducting an inventory of all its paintings and photographs with an eye for rehanging them in historical themes to tell a particular Army story.

During the inventory, an unidentified official — not the commandant, Maj. Gen. Anthony A. Cucolo III — asked the administration why the college honors two generals who fought against the United States, college spokeswoman Carol Kerr said.

“I do know at least one person has questioned why we would honor individuals who were enemies of the United States Army,” Ms. Kerr said. “There will be a dialogue when we develop the idea of what do we want the hallway to represent.”

She said one faculty member took down the portraits of Lee and Jackson and put them on the floor as part of the inventory process. That gave rise to rumors that the paintings had been removed.

“This person was struck by the fact we have quite a few Confederate images,” she said, adding that the portraits were rehung on a third-floor hallway. “[Lee] was certainly not good for the nation. This is the guy we faced on the battlefield whose entire purpose in life was to destroy the nation as it was then conceived. … This is all part of an informed discussion.”

It is the kind of historical cleansing that could spark an Army-wide debate: Lee’s portrait adorns the walls of other military installations and government buildings.

Two portraits of Lee are on display at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, N.Y.: In the Cadet Mess Hall is a painting of Lee when he was superintendent as an Army captain. A portrait of Lee in full Confederate regalia hangs on the second floor of Jefferson Hall, the campus library.

Opened in 1901 to study the lessons of war, the Army War College is a history class and modern warfare symposium for lieutenant colonels and colonels who know that a diploma from the institution helps their chances with the promotion board. The college graduates more than 300 U.S. officers, foreign students and civilians in two classes each year.

Lee’s life story is full of personal conflict.

Born and raised in Virginia, the son of a Revolutionary War hero and governor, Lee graduated from the Army’s premier undergraduate school, West Point, and returned as its superintendent. Serving as a combat engineer, he distinguished himself in the Mexican-American War, during which he was wounded and received several battlefield promotions. Yet he broke with the Union and agreed to lead the Army of Northern Virginia for the Confederate States of America.

Jackson, who also received battlefield promotions during the Mexican-American War, is another West Point graduate.
In 1975, Congress enacted a joint resolution reinstating Lee’s U.S. citizenship in what could be considered a final act to heal Civil War wounds. The resolution praised Lee’s character and his work to reunify the nation. It noted that six months after surrendering to Gen. Ulysses S. Grant, Lee swore allegiance to the Constitution and to the Union.

“This entire nation has long recognized the outstanding virtues of courage, patriotism and selfless devotion to duty of General R.E. Lee,” the joint resolution stated.

President Ford traveled to Arlington House, Lee’s former home in Virginia, to sign the resolution into law on Aug. 5, 1975.

Ford quoted from a letter that Lee wrote to a former Confederate soldier: “This war, being at an end, the Southern States having laid down their arms, and the questions at issue between them and the Northern States having been decided, I believe it to be the duty of everyone to unite in the restoration of the country and the reestablishment of peace and harmony.”

Ford said: “As a soldier, Gen. Lee left his mark on military strategy. As a man, he stood as the symbol of valor and of duty. As an educator, he appealed to reason and learning to achieve understanding and to build a stronger nation. The course he chose after the war became a symbol to all those who had marched with him in the bitter years towards Appomattox.”


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aGameOfThrones
12-18-2013, 02:34 PM
LOL Modern day child prison changing its name from a slave master.



About half of the faculty and a majority of alumni surveyed disagreed with the name change, but 64 percent of students at the black-majority high school were in favor of dropping the name. The school board said it based its decision on what the students wanted.




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ZENemy
12-18-2013, 02:41 PM
If you erase history you control the present and if you control the present you control the future.

acptulsa
12-18-2013, 02:41 PM
So long as chickens can be breaded and fried and corn can be squeezed and aged in oak barrels, the South will never die.

Nor should it.


If you erase history you control the present and if you control the present you control the future.

This. If you refuse to learn from history you are doomed to repeat it. If you cannot learn from history you are doomed to repeat it.

Villifying slavery in the way they're doing it is very effective. It makes it impossible to learn how slavery came to be, and was maintained. And that makes it easier for them to reinstitute slavery, not harder.

They act like they are forewarning us, but they are simply covering up what the symptoms were so we have a harder time diagnosing the disease. And part of that is teaching that slavery ended in 1865, when in fact it was maintained for decades by charging just enough at the company store that 'free plantation workers' could never quite pay off their debt (without starving themselves). Kind of like the credit crisis the middle class finds themselves in today. Kind of like jobs that don't pay a living wage, so we'll keep filling out forms and selling our souls for government assistance.

But there's no slavery today. Oh, no.

phill4paul
12-18-2013, 02:43 PM
If you erase history you control the present and if you control the present you control the future.

Wouldn't want any of those up and coming lieutenant colonels and colonels thinking about secession would we?

PierzStyx
12-19-2013, 08:59 AM
Villifying slavery in the way they're doing it is very effective. It makes it impossible to learn how slavery came to be, and was maintained. And that makes it easier for them to reinstitute slavery, not harder.




This.

oyarde
12-19-2013, 09:52 AM
Ft Hood , Hood County Texas is named after the son of a Kentucky Country Doctor . Confederate General John Bell Hood.

tod evans
12-19-2013, 09:54 AM
Drive by whom?

The South is alive and well here in the sticks...

mczerone
12-19-2013, 09:58 AM
(1) (a) These are govt schools - they shouldn't be able to be used to glorify any person, living or dead, or group.
(b) These are govt schools - they should be expected to glorify it's supporters and demonize it's dissidents.

(2) If this were a private institution, there'd be some market information as to whether changing it's name would be worth the costs. But with forced attendance, we don't really know how many people would use them with an "offensive" name or a more palatable one.

ClydeCoulter
12-19-2013, 10:46 AM
Ask the property owners if they are willing to pay for the name change.

PaulConventionWV
12-19-2013, 11:51 AM
Ask the property owners if they are willing to pay for the name change.

The US government "owns" the property.

Keith and stuff
12-19-2013, 12:18 PM
Memphis changes names of 3 Confederate-themed parks
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/02/06/memphis-parks-confederate-ku-klux-klan/1895549/


The Memphis city council has hurriedly renamed three Confederate-themed parks, including one named after the first Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, to head off an effort by some state legislators to block such name changes.

The council on Tuesday passed a resolution to immediately rename Confederate Park and Jefferson Davis Park in downtown Memphis and Nathan Bedford Forrest Park, which lies just a few miles away. The vote was 9-0 with three members abstaining.

The resolution changes the name of Confederate Park to Memphis Park; Jefferson Davis Park to Mississippi River Park; and Nathan Bedford Forrest Park to Health Sciences Park.

Forrest, a Confederate general and cavalry leader, was a slave trader before the war and the KKK's first Grand Wizard. He also is accused of massacring dozens of black Union soldiers who tried to surrender at the battle at Fort Pillow in 1864. Davis was president of the confederacy.

AuH20
12-19-2013, 12:20 PM
Why don't they take down the Albert Pike statue down in D.C.? lol

Henry Rogue
12-19-2013, 12:33 PM
The US government "owns" the property.Tax payer pays for the name change. In my school district, funds come from taxes on property.

oyarde
12-19-2013, 12:38 PM
Why don't they take down the Albert Pike statue down in D.C.? lol

Brig. General and Commander of the Indian Territory, for what nine months ? lol Mexican American war vet. School teacher , lawyer , trapper .Guy had to be one of the more intelligent crack pots of his time....

oyarde
12-19-2013, 12:40 PM
Tax payer pays for the name change. In my school district, funds come from taxes on property.

Mine too

oyarde
12-19-2013, 12:50 PM
I would not name a school for a slave trader in the first place, nor would I want to pay 400k to change it ......

oyarde
12-19-2013, 12:57 PM
Maybe I could start putting unwanted and shameful historical statues out in my woods,charge $2 to view them :) Oyarde's land of the unwanted ....

ThePenguinLibertarian
01-20-2014, 10:52 AM
I swear, this country just loves to become more politically correct. Now we have libertarians like kuznicki saying its unlibertarian to support the confederacy.

Origanalist
01-20-2014, 11:30 AM
Maybe I could start putting unwanted and shameful historical statues out in my woods,charge $2 to view them :) Oyarde's land of the unwanted ....

I can see it now, protesters, lots of protesters.

phill4paul
01-20-2014, 11:31 AM
I can see it now, protesters, lots of protesters.

They get charged $4.

Pericles
01-20-2014, 12:12 PM
Wouldn't want any of those up and coming lieutenant colonels and colonels thinking about secession would we?

This scene is based on the actual incident at West Point:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRHtjjDslKI

Pericles
01-20-2014, 12:16 PM
Ft Hood , Hood County Texas is named after the son of a Kentucky Country Doctor . Confederate General John Bell Hood.

Add Ft. Bragg to the list.

otherone
01-20-2014, 12:25 PM
In honor of the day,
I propose we immediately rename EVERY public school in this great nation after
MARTIN LUTHER KING JR
and be done with it.
(think of all the money that could be saved on stationary)

Origanalist
01-20-2014, 12:27 PM
In honor of the day,
I propose we immediately rename EVERY public school in this great nation after
MARTIN LUTHER KING JR
and be done with it.
(think of all the money that could be saved on stationary)

Don't forget all the main thoroughfares and public buildings.

oyarde
01-21-2014, 12:25 AM
Add Ft. Bragg to the list.

Yes , I spent some time there . General Braxton Bragg, West Pointer , Artillary Officer , US Army, was at the Battle of Buena Vista in the Mexican War , the Indian Territory and by 1856 growing sugar in Lousiana.LOL