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phill4paul
12-16-2013, 12:56 PM
Police Say Teen Shot Self in Head — While Hands Cuffed Behind Back
In yet another case of defying the limits of physiology, 17-year-old Jesus Huerta died in Durham police custody.

December 14, 2013 |

A strange phenomenon has been occurring in police custody around the U.S., which seems to defy both the laws of physics and the limits of human physiology. Young people of color, handcuffed with their hands bound behind their backs, are able to shoot themselves in the head. For the critical observer, belief is beggared.

As I noted last year, twice in six months, young men have managed to shoot themselves in the head while in handcuffs in the back of police cars. And now again, a North Carolina teen has died of a gunshot wound that police say was self-inflicted while the young man was in handcuffs.

Via local station WNCT9:

A Durham teen [17-year-old Jesus Huerta] died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head, Durham Police Chief Jose Lopez said.

“I know that it is hard for people not in law enforcement to understand how someone could be capable of shooting themselves while handcuffed behind the back,” Lopez said. “While incidents like this are not common, they unfortunately have happened in other jurisdictions in the past.”

Huerta’s family released a statement following the press conference held by Lopez. The family of Huerta said the press conference did not release any new information to the public.

“How did Jesús end up dead in the parking lot at police headquarters in these circumstances? Searched. Handcuffed behind the back. How is it even possible to shoot oneself?” the statement reads.

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/police-say-teen-shot-self-head-while-hands-cuffed-behind-back


THURSDAY, DEC 6, 2012 04:40 PM EST
Another handcuffed young man manages to shoot himself
A high schooler reportedly shot self in a police car, recalling a similar incident shrouded in controversy

A perturbing trend is emerging in the South. Twice in six months, young men have managed to shoot themselves in the head while in handcuffs in the back of police cars, after having been searched for weapons. For many critical observers, the circumstances beggar belief.

In August of this year, police in Jonesboro, Ark. claimed that Chavis Carter, 21, committed suicide while in the back of a patrol car. He was handcuffed at the time and had already been searched for weapons. Somehow, according to the police report, the searh missed Carter’s concealed handgun and the young man — found to be on a number of amphetamines and sedatives at the time — managed to reach around his back to shoot himself in the right side of his head, despite being left-handed. Dr. Isaac Richmond, national director of the Memphis-based Commission on Religion and Racism, called the police’s account “a cold-blooded calculated lie,” but a state autopsy fell in line with the suicide narrative.

Then on Wednesday in Texas, a police officer managed to overlook a very large gun when searching a high schooler he was taking in to custody. The 17-year-old, who was being detained by police after a friend reported him a suicide risk, reportedly shot himself in the back of the head while he was in the police cruiser in handcuffs. The young man did not die and is in a critical but stable condition in hospital. The police report in this latter case appears more credible than the Arkansas incident and investigators are probing why the student’s gun was missed when he was searched. It remains unlikely, however that the plausibility of a suicide in this case will clear up lingering questions surrounding Chavis Carter’s death in police custody.

http://www.salon.com/2012/12/06/another_handcuffed_young_man_manages_to_shoot_hims elf/

paulbot24
12-16-2013, 01:04 PM
"...a police officer managed to overlook a very large gun when searching a high schooler he was taking in to custody. The 17-year-old, who was being detained by police after a friend reported him a suicide risk, reportedly shot himself in the back of the head while he was in the police cruiser in handcuffs."

Oh sure, they can find baggies of "suspicious substances" in women's vaginas (http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/cop-pepper-sprayed-womans-vagina-video/), which they then use to justify pepper spraying them in that sensitive area of their bodies but they can't find a very large gun on a high schooler when they put him in their patrol car? Why aren't they all freaking out over where this high school kid got this supposed gun? This BS is outrageous!

jkr
12-16-2013, 01:12 PM
ill take a stab at this:

1. he shot the lil brother in cold bl00d, while bound, in the back of his car
2. he lied that he did it

=mob hit

Anti Federalist
12-16-2013, 01:43 PM
Streetside summary.

Nothing to see here...move along.

Icymudpuppy
12-16-2013, 02:02 PM
What really happened.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMBZMane0Ts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMBZMane0Ts

pcosmar
12-16-2013, 02:03 PM
Streetside summary.

Nothing to see here...move along.

I suspect any pretense,, or any reporting will end soon. :(

shane77m
12-16-2013, 02:26 PM
It is obvious that the teen had Plastic Man type powers and the ability to conjure firearms out of the air.

Ender
12-16-2013, 02:31 PM
Just what I was thinking- and they say kids are stupider nowadays. :confused:

libertarianMoney
12-16-2013, 04:16 PM
I wonder if this is just a little cop game they play.

"I bet people are so dumb, they'd believe it if we said a kid chained up shot himself in the head."
"NO WAY! They're not THAT dumb."

Sorry, the police stations aren't in flames.
Yes... They are, in fact, that dumb.

DamianTV
12-16-2013, 04:54 PM
I suspect any pretense,, or any reporting will end soon. :(

Japan just did it. Freedom of Press in Japan is now handled with Zero Tolerance.

This is in regards to any form of Investigative Journalism on their Govt. Probably intended for Fukushima, but many other possible things. For example, their Stats on Murders are very low because they classify Murder differently from what an average person would consider to be a murder. See: Freakanomics.

So when do we have Tyranny? When Rights are Abolished, or when Rights are just Ignored? Or is it when the dying starts? Whatever happens next, we know it will be a continuation of abuses until all Rights are Prohibited.

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I wonder if this is just a little cop game they play.

"I bet people are so dumb, they'd believe it if we said a kid chained up shot himself in the head."
"NO WAY! They're not THAT dumb."

Sorry, the police stations aren't in flames.
Yes... They are, in fact, that dumb.

Well, for any that are aware of the problems, they may or may not be dumb. But they are scared to oppose the Powers that Be.

HOLLYWOOD
12-16-2013, 04:58 PM
In before the investigation starts...

Police vehicle's audio and video recording devices malfunctioned and were inoperable during the incident... Case Closed.

Snew
12-16-2013, 05:39 PM
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?433705-Durham-NC-Teenager-dies-in-police-custody

I thought it sounded suspicious.

Henry Rogue
12-16-2013, 06:29 PM
Not buying it.

green73
12-16-2013, 06:57 PM
Thanks for putting 'another' in the title. When I saw this elsewhere I passed it over thinking it was an old story being dredged up. SMFH.

DamianTV
12-16-2013, 07:07 PM
In before the investigation starts...

Police vehicle's audio and video recording devices malfunctioned and were inoperable during the incident... Case Closed.

If the investigation reveals as suggested, further investigation could reveal that the reason the devices malfunctioned was officer involvement. However, cases would typically be closed at the point where equipment malfunction is discovered, then stops right there.

Unaccountable Authority.

mczerone
12-16-2013, 07:16 PM
One thing that gets me: If the cop just said that the guy was fleeing, or was still fighting with his body despite being handcuffed, there'd be no serious investigation or outcry about shooting him in the head.

So if the cops did shoot either of these people, why make up a story about them doing it themselves?

Maybe they are the nooby cops that haven't learned that they ARE the law and wanted to cover their tracks. No one told them that being a cop means never having to say you're sorry.

phill4paul
12-20-2013, 08:26 AM
http://www.heraldsun.com/news/x1401024835/Durham-police-use-tear-gas-to-disperse-protesters



Durham police use tear gas to disperse protesters
Dec. 19, 2013 @ 11:23 PM
Laura Oleniacz


DURHAM —
Wearing gas masks, protective gear and some carrying sticks, police used tear gas to break up a march and vigil that was held downtown Thursday to mark the one-month anniversary of the death of 17-year-old Jesus Huerta.

Huerta, a Riverside High School student, died Nov. 19 while handcuffed in the back of a patrol car. Durham Police Chief Jose Lopez Sr. said in a press conference last week that Huerta died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound, and that it wasn’t known whether the wound was inflicted by accident or intentionally.

“Easily, they could have taken my brother home,” said Evelin Huerta, Jesus Huerta’s sister, at Thursday’s vigil and rally. She, her younger brother and mother were part of the group of about 150 people gathered at CCB Plaza downtown holding signs, flowers and candles to honor the teen and rally against his death.

Through tears and surrounded by TV cameras, she said family and others wanted to have a peaceful vigil to honor her brother since they couldn’t do so before. At a protest Nov. 22, some demonstrators broke windows, damaged a police car and threw flares and firecrackers.

“He should be with us right now; we shouldn’t be doing this,” she said. “It hurts us, and I don’t think we’re going to get over it.”

After she and an organizer spoke, the group marched, chanting slogans such as “cops, pigs, murderers,” to police headquarters. About 35 officers on bicycles and on foot stayed with the group and forced them to stay on the sidewalks.

When demonstrators reached a police parking lot, officers dressed in masks and what appeared to be bullet-proof vests and other gear stood behind police tape.

Police issued warnings for demonstrators to leave the property or face arrest. Demonstrators surrounded Evelin Huerta and her mother, Sylvia Fernandez, and others as they knelt on the ground to light candles, lay down crosses and flowers in his memory. Some chanted “shame” at police.

“If you do not leave now, you will be arrested,” officers warned. “You are ordered to leave the premises.”

The demonstrators returned to CCB Plaza. Some in the group shouted at police. While an organizer spoke to the group, saying “Are we powerful?” and other statements into a megaphone, others kept shouting at police.

Police in heavy gear lined up at the plaza. They issued a warning and then marched forward, tearing down the large black banners carried by some demonstrators and throwing gas.

Some demonstrators tried to hold on to each other as they were pushed back to Main Street. At least one man was forced to the ground and handcuffed.

According to a Durham Police Department press release issued late Thursday, several people were arrested as a result of the demonstration. Lopez commended police for the “restraint and professionalism” displayed by officers and noted that it could have been worse.

“Some arrests were made and officers were forced to deploy teargas to disperse the crowd after rocks and bottles were thrown at the police,” he said. “Although this was billed as a peaceful event, several participants donned masks, committed vandalism, assaulted officers and failed to heed commands to disperse.”

Sandro Mendoza, 20, said demonstrators were at the end of the march when police broke it up in riot gear. He said they were discussing their plans for future events. Children were in the group when they started throwing gas, he said.

Rufus Walker of Durham said police knocked him off a bench. He said they had been talking about exchanging emails and other information. He said the gas made his face feel like it was burning, and he was spitting and had difficulty breathing. Some people ran and others fell on the ground, he said.

Police appeared to chase protesters into a parking deck, and others returned to CCB Plaza. A group in the mobile task force chased about nine people away from the plaza. Further down the street in front of the bar Alley Twenty Six, police blocked off the street and stopped a car of seven young people that was coming from the direction of where the other group ran. Police removed all of the people in the car and handcuffed them. Police were still gathered at CCB Plaza and elsewhere downtown at 9:30 p.m.

Prior to Thursday’s event, police had called for a “safe, peaceful and orderly event” and instructed participants not to wear masks, hoods or devices to conceal their identities, not damage or to participate in disorderly conduct, among other rules.

Alex Charns, a lawyer representing the Huerta family, said in a statement that rather than responding to a public records request for communications that touch on what happened to Huerta and family inquiries, the police chief “spends his time issuing a press release warning Durham citizens about how we will allow them to exercise their First Amendment rights.”

“We have the right to dissent and disagree with official government positions; to reject city government silence and secrecy,” the statement said. “We have the right to peaceably protest, and peaceably march and light candles.”

The family has made a request seeking all communications that touch on what happened to Huerta, including text messages, emails, voicemails and video footage from the patrol car and headquarters on the morning of his death.

Also, representatives from a Latino-focused organization called Presente.org have joined Huerta's family in asking the federal government to lead an investigation into officer-related deaths and profiling concerns in Durham.

The Police Department has passed the investigation on to its professional standards division and to the State Bureau of Investigation.

Brandon Moreno, who said he was a friend of Jesus Huerta’s, said in an interview before the event that they had planned to have a peaceful demonstration.

“It’s kind of hard – it’s kind of hard to trust the police again,” he said.

Durham resident Fahim Knight said he and his wife Sylvia Knight joined because “we see this as a simple case of police brutality and a cover-up by Police Chief Lopez.”

He said they don’t accept that Huerta died of a self-inflicted wound while in handcuffs.

“This was somebody’s child – he was a human being, he was just a baby,” Sylvia Knight said.

http://www.heraldsun.com/archive/x1401024812/g2582580000000000004f88fd024fda0da1e6783d4cdecab18 6b4322c89.jpg

http://www.heraldsun.com/archive/x1401024814/g2582580000000000006b9f0be461b342d6fa349f254a68519 f46c54ea6.jpg

http://www.heraldsun.com/archive/x1401024827/g25825800000000000047db207c36f7d0f680a068c6e98dbc9 d78a4ff86.jpg

PaulConventionWV
12-20-2013, 09:01 AM
I wonder if this is just a little cop game they play.

"I bet people are so dumb, they'd believe it if we said a kid chained up shot himself in the head."
"NO WAY! They're not THAT dumb."

Sorry, the police stations aren't in flames.
Yes... They are, in fact, that dumb.

Or, more likely, just scared to say anything...

Snew
12-20-2013, 09:10 AM
Sandro Mendoza, 20, said demonstrators were at the end of the march when police broke it up in riot gear. He said they were discussing their plans for future events. Children were in the group when they started throwing gas, he said.

Rufus Walker of Durham said police knocked him off a bench. He said they had been talking about exchanging emails and other information. He said the gas made his face feel like it was burning, and he was spitting and had difficulty breathing. Some people ran and others fell on the ground, he said.

:mad: Durham's finest

Edit: I thought this was an interesting shot... the flag of the "land of the free" flying above our new domestic army:

http://www.heraldsun.com/archive/x1401024812/g2582580000000000004f88fd024fda0da1e6783d4cdecab18 6b4322c89.jpg

aGameOfThrones
12-20-2013, 09:32 AM
According to a Durham Police Department press release issued late Thursday, several people were arrested as a result of the demonstration. Lopez commended police for the “restraint and professionalism” displayed by officers and noted that it could have been worse.

I mean, we could have shot them for calling us pigs, said Lopez.


Hey Lopez and gang...

http://img.pandawhale.com/80057-eddie-murphy-fuck-you-gif-Imgu-bD0x.gif

GunnyFreedom
01-14-2014, 01:18 PM
Welp, here we go. Like I said this crap would be infecting NC before long, and here it is:


http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=9392805



Durham district attorney will not file charges in shooting death of 17-year-old Jesus Huerta

...

Huerta was found dead of a gunshot wound in the back of the cruiser. Police have said it was an apparent suicide, but there were immediate questions about how the teen got the gun and how he could shoot himself if his hands were cuffed behind him. Department policy requires prisoners to be searched before they're transported.

...

Read More (http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/local&id=9392805)


Now we just wait and see if Keith Vidal and his family (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?438382-NC-Family-Calls-Police-For-Help-w-Schizophrenic-Son-They-Shoot-and-Kill-Him) are denied justice, and we will know that the cancer has metastasized here on account of the people's apathy...

HOLLYWOOD
01-14-2014, 03:31 PM
Let me guess... all the surveillance cameras around the police station and it's parking lot were malfunctioning or missing too? Any surveillance cameras from the point od arrest to the police stations show Huerta's blood and brains spewed all over the back seat/windows or was he still alive in route?

Where are those videos, because I haven't seen that addressed by the official state 'Rubber-Stamp'.


Huerta was placed in the back of a squad car and taken to police headquarters. But as the car pulled into the parking lot around 2:30 a.m., the officer driving reported hearing a loud bang and he jumped out of the moving car, which then rolled into parked vehicles.

Mani
01-15-2014, 12:17 AM
Let me guess... all the surveillance cameras around the police station and it's parking lot were malfunctioning or missing too? Any surveillance cameras from the point od arrest to the police stations show Huerta's blood and brains spewed all over the back seat/windows or was he still alive in route?

Where are those videos, because I haven't seen that addressed by the official state 'Rubber-Stamp'.


Some regularly scheduled maintenance was taking place when his brain burst into pieces so NONE of the cameras at the station were working nor ANY of the nearby Street cameras NOR any other dash cab of ANY of the cars that were in the parking lot at that moment. We can only assume he found a way get his hands uncuffed, shoot himself, and cuff himself again. Oh wait...nevermind he didn't recuff himself..that's a typo.....It's an unfortunate accident and the case is closed.

Spikender
01-15-2014, 01:33 AM
http://www.heraldsun.com/news/x1401024835/Durham-police-use-tear-gas-to-disperse-protesters




http://www.heraldsun.com/archive/x1401024812/g2582580000000000004f88fd024fda0da1e6783d4cdecab18 6b4322c89.jpg

http://www.heraldsun.com/archive/x1401024814/g2582580000000000006b9f0be461b342d6fa349f254a68519 f46c54ea6.jpg

http://www.heraldsun.com/archive/x1401024827/g25825800000000000047db207c36f7d0f680a068c6e98dbc9 d78a4ff86.jpg

A crowd of unarmed protestors warrants a brigade of armored Terminators to come and knock some "sense" into them...

How can people be blind or ignorant to this kind of build up of power?

They look like soldiers walking the streets of a foreign country keeping the peace.

No, not soldiers.

Occupiers.

Feeding the Abscess
01-15-2014, 01:48 AM
Reminds me of this story:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2008/08/elizabeth-bernard-higgs/u-s-army-private-lavena-lynn-johnson-rip/


According to the U.S. Department of Defense, Private LaVena Lynn Johnson killed herself on July 19, 2005, eight days before her twentieth birthday. Exactly how did she end her life? She punched herself in the face hard enough to blacken her eyes, break her nose, and knock her front teeth loose. She douched with an acid solution after mutilating her genital area. She poured a combustible liquid on herself and set it afire. She then shot herself in the head. Despite this massive self-inflicted trauma, she somehow managed to drag her then fully clothed body into the tent of a KBR contractor, leaving a trail of blood along the way and set the tent ablaze in a failed attempt to cover up her crimes against herself.

If this story sounds plausible to you, you may have missed your calling as an officer in the U.S. Army, because Army officers, speaking with a straight face, would have you believe that such a thing is not only possible, but actually happened.

Mani
01-15-2014, 01:50 AM
A crowd of unarmed protestors warrants a brigade of armored Terminators to come and knock some "sense" into them...

How can people be blind or ignorant to this kind of build up of power?

They look like soldiers walking the streets of a foreign country keeping the peace.

No, not soldiers.

Occupiers.


From the article:

Prior to Thursday’s event, police had called for a “safe, peaceful and orderly event” and instructed participants not to wear masks, hoods or devices to conceal their identities, not damage or to participate in disorderly conduct, among other rules.


What!?

They aren't allowed to wear masks or hoods? You can't participate in a march and conceal your identity?

Spikender
01-15-2014, 01:53 AM
From the article:

Prior to Thursday’s event, police had called for a “safe, peaceful and orderly event” and instructed participants not to wear masks, hoods or devices to conceal their identities, not damage or to participate in disorderly conduct, among other rules.

What!?

They aren't allowed to wear masks or hoods? You can't participate in a march and conceal your identity?

Of course not.

They have to know whose families to harass after the whole march is over, after all.

osan
01-15-2014, 02:40 AM
What really happened.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMBZMane0Ts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMBZMane0Ts

And the consequent about which cops are apparently never worried anymore:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0UxcDKRwyk

osan
01-15-2014, 02:44 AM
Not buying it.

That's because you can no longer afford it.

phill4paul
01-17-2014, 09:25 AM
According to this report the kid shot himself in the face while handcuffed behind back. Tricky maneuvering there. Oh, and he happened to be wearing gloves that had gun residue on them. I wonder if those gloves fit the cops hands?


A medical examiner's report released separately on Friday said Huerta died from a close-range gunshot to the face.


A state lab found gunpowder residue on a white, batting-style glove police say Huerta was wearing, while no residue was found on Duncan.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/handcuffed-teen-shot-custody-police-article-1.1576324#ixzz2qfaUh9QS

GunnyFreedom
01-17-2014, 12:11 PM
According to this report the kid shot himself in the face while handcuffed behind back. Tricky maneuvering there. Oh, and he happened to be wearing gloves that had gun residue on them. I wonder if those gloves fit the cops hands?





Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/handcuffed-teen-shot-custody-police-article-1.1576324#ixzz2qfaUh9QS

Not Guilty! He did it to himself! SMDH :( These %$&$ people won't wake up until they are passing through the front gates of the camps.

pcosmar
01-17-2014, 01:32 PM
Training Day.

Final exam

Passed

Anti Federalist
01-17-2014, 04:55 PM
Not Guilty! He did it to himself! SMDH :( These %$&$ people won't wake up until they are passing through the front gates of the camps.

Not even then.

Maybe, maybe in the split second before the bullet smashes their cerebellum, maybe when they get the first lungful of gas and start fibrillating and choking...

Maybe.