Can anyone factcheck this story? Sailors from USS Ronald Reagan dying from radiation exposure?

[Reason]

http://americanlivewire.com/12-15-2013-uss-ronald-reagan-sailors-cancer/

[oyarde]

Rumor I heard was 51 , that was some time ago , then , another 20. I never checked into it.

[donnay]

This was reported in 2012 almost a year ago.

Local Sailors Sue Japanese Utility Over Radiation

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/US-sailors-sue-Japanese-utility-over-radiation-185092741.html

[oyarde]

This was reported in 2012 almost a year ago.

Local Sailors Sue Japanese Utility Over Radiation

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/US-sailors-sue-Japanese-utility-over-radiation-185092741.htmlYes , I think it was Dec 2012 when I first heard of it .

[Brian4Liberty]

One of my grandfathers died from cancer via military radiation exposure. It happened. One of my favorite physics professors told us how they would irradiate metal until it was red-hot, and carry it around with tongs and asbestos gloves.

[DamianTV]

This was reported in 2012 almost a year ago.

Local Sailors Sue Japanese Utility Over Radiation

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/US-sailors-sue-Japanese-utility-over-radiation-185092741.html

Theres other sources too.

Radiation Alerts Hit U.S. Cities
http://healthydebates.com/radiation-alerts-hit-u-s-cities/


A private organization that monitors data from thousands of government and other network points for radiation across the United States issued email alerts today for two western U.S. cities, Reno, Nev., and St. George Utah.

The alerts come from the the Nuclear Emergency Tracking Center, which explains its mission is to provide radiation monitoring information from hundreds of sites, including those run by the Environmental Protection Agency, across the United States and Japan.

The warning pinpointed an area “of concern” in St. George, Utah, where it said background radiation levels more than doubled today from the typical reading.

It also named Reno, Nev., for concern, where “the current background radiation level has increased suddenly by more than 200 points from the typical average.”

The report said the “counts per minute” at St. George reach an all-time high of 456, where the average is 222 with a normal deviation of 55.

At Reno, the county suddenly surged quickly, although the CPM was only 462, where the all time high reached 542. There the average is 279 with a deviation of 56.2.

NETC.com founder Harlan Yother told WND that he’s seeing more and more surges of radiation, where levels rise along the West Coast of the United States, then move across the nation from west to east. This always follows by two or three days a rise in monitor levels in Japan, home of the Fukushima nuclear reactor disaster in 2011, he said.

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I cant say this is completely credible as the "private organization" is not identified.

Now, should there be any truth to the article, we're all gonna get hit sooner or later. It WILL come to our home towns.

[Tod]

wrong pew.

[donnay]

Theres other sources too.

Radiation Alerts Hit U.S. Cities
http://healthydebates.com/radiation-alerts-hit-u-s-cities/



I cant say this is completely credible as the "private organization" is not identified.

Now, should there be any truth to the article, we're all gonna get hit sooner or later. It WILL come to our home towns.


Yeah this is certainly a concern. But one thing I want to know, where was our government to allow our people to go over there to help unprotected regardless?

[angelatc]

http://americanlivewire.com/12-15-2013-uss-ronald-reagan-sailors-cancer/

I can't confirm those sailors have cancer, but I can confirm the story seems to come from a legitimate source: http://www.stripes.com/in-growing-lawsuit-servicemembers-fault-tepco-for-radiation-related-illnesses-1.230512

There's a lot more information in that article. Not so many Youtubes and big-ass pictures though.

[pcosmar]

Yeah this is certainly a concern. But one thing I want to know, where was our government to allow our people to go over there to help unprotected regardless?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWSMoE3A5DI

[donnay]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWSMoE3A5DI

*Smacks forehead* Right, what was I thinking?

[jbauer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWSMoE3A5DI

I know an elderly gentalman that was in those tests. The military offered "vacations" to Nevada for anyone who wanted to go. His entire male side of the family went (they were all military) The threw his arse into a trench (can't remember if it was a mile out?). They had to duck for the blast and stay ducked until the air rushed back in. They had radiation sensors on the solider that "went missing".

Anyway everyone but him on the male side of the family died (that went) died within 10 years. He's quite aged and has had to be checked for cancer his entire life. His PSA levels have been off the chart for years.

Very interesting story.....even though I'm not that good at telling it.

Tells you what our government is capable of.

[pcosmar]

Tells you what our government is capable of.

There are tons of evidence as to what our government is capable of that most people don't want to look at or consider.

[Suzu]

Bet no one has seen this story on the news:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3UZP3Ol180

[XNavyNuke]

http://americanlivewire.com/12-15-2013-uss-ronald-reagan-sailors-cancer/

I've taken a look at the actual court filing.
http://rogerwitherspoon.com/docs/ssailorsvstepco-usdistrictcourt-12-21-12.pdf

From a science point of view, the claims are weak and unsupported. Of course, I realize that what stands for legal evidence is not the same as science. They've specified a jury trial and all they have to do is find the right twelve people to convince.

XNN

[XNavyNuke]

Bet no one has seen this story on the news.

Why should it be news. Thirty times background levels is nothing. Pseudo scientists with radiacs showing off their incomplete education. Temperature inversions are not uncommon in desert areas. During that time natural decay daughters of Radon are prevented from mixing in the air column and become concentrated in the air column up to two or three orders of magnitude greater than normal background. These decay daughters stick to dust particles, which form the nuclei for raindrops. This is a well known phenomena in environmental geology and is the primary reason why surveys should be avoided following precipitation events. (The other reason, of course, is that the water in saturated ground can effectively shield the alpha particle flux leading to false low readings)

XNN

[XNavyNuke]

After getting tossed, attorney vows to re-file.

US Sailors to Refile Fukushima Radiation Lawsuit (http://www.military.com/daily-news/2013/12/20/us-sailors-to-refile-fukushima-radiation-lawsuit.html?comp=7000023317828&rank=1)


Weeks after a judge dismissed the case, an attorney for U.S. sailors exposed to radiation after the 2011 earthquake off the coast of Japan said he intends to refile the lawsuit.

Charles Bonner, who represents 51 sailors who served aboard the USS Ronald Reagan during disaster relief operations after the March 11, 2011, earthquake and tsunami, said he plans to amend and refile the complaint against Tokyo Electric Power Co., or Tepco, in part to include another 25 to 50 service members.

Keep trying until TEPCO is willing to settle strategy.
XNN

[Acala]

Why should it be news. Thirty times background levels is nothing. Pseudo scientists with radiacs showing off their incomplete education. Temperature inversions are not uncommon in desert areas. During that time natural decay daughters of Radon are prevented from mixing in the air column and become concentrated in the air column up to two or three orders of magnitude greater than normal background. These decay daughters stick to dust particles, which form the nuclei for raindrops. This is a well known phenomena in environmental geology and is the primary reason why surveys should be avoided following precipitation events. (The other reason, of course, is that the water in saturated ground can effectively shield the alpha particle flux leading to false low readings)

XNN

You are ruining the mood of this thread!!!!

[green73]

It just went up on Drudge
http://nypost.com/2013/12/22/70-navy-sailors-left-sickened-by-radiation-after-japan-rescue/

[navy-vet]

It just went up on Drudge
http://nypost.com/2013/12/22/70-navy-sailors-left-sickened-by-radiation-after-japan-rescue/
wow

choked me up when Cooper, the single mother of a 4-year-old girl named Serenity, said: her biggest worry is that she will get cancer. Her own mother died recently of breast cancer at age 53.
“This isn’t about financial gain,” Cooper said of the lawsuit. “This is about what’s going to happen while I’m sick, and then after I’m gone.”
“I worry,” she added, her voice choking, “because I have a daughter. And I’m so sick.”

Joining the military is a decision that must never be taken lightly, especially if you have someone who is dependent on you. :(

[oyarde]

I've taken a look at the actual court filing.
http://rogerwitherspoon.com/docs/ssailorsvstepco-usdistrictcourt-12-21-12.pdf

From a science point of view, the claims are weak and unsupported. Of course, I realize that what stands for legal evidence is not the same as science. They've specified a jury trial and all they have to do is find the right twelve people to convince.

XNN The moving rocks there are interesting though.

[XNavyNuke]

It just went up on Drudge
http://nypost.com/2013/12/22/70-navy-sailors-left-sickened-by-radiation-after-japan-rescue/


“We were probably floating in contaminated water without knowing it for a day and a half before we got hit by that plume,” said Cooper, whose career as a third-class petty officer ended five months after the disaster for health reasons.

The toxic seawater was sucked into the ship’s desalinization system, flowing out of its faucets and showers — still radioactive — and into the crew member’s bodies.

Didn't happen. The water from the distilling units is used for both drinking and feedwater to the plants. No Engineer would let crappy water go into his plants.

What most people fail to realize is that the carrier alone is a small city with a population of 6k. When you include the entire battle group, which the lawsuit does, that increases to 10k. At that point you are looking at epidemiology numbers. For example, as graphic as one of the plaintiff's gastrointestinal bleeding is, the incidence of inflammatory bowel disease would make it unsurprising to four or five cases diagnosed in the population. We had heart attacks on my deployments. With the right jury, a good attorney can get by with correlation and not have to prove causation. Numbers make most people head swim.

XNN

[Anti Federalist]

Didn't happen. The water from the distilling units is used for both drinking and feedwater to the plants. No Engineer would let crappy water go into his plants.

What most people fail to realize is that the carrier alone is a small city with a population of 6k. When you include the entire battle group, which the lawsuit does, that increases to 10k. At that point you are looking at epidemiology numbers. For example, as graphic as one of the plaintiff's gastrointestinal bleeding is, the incidence of inflammatory bowel disease would make it unsurprising to four or five cases diagnosed in the population. We had heart attacks on my deployments. With the right jury, a good attorney can get by with correlation and not have to prove causation. Numbers make most people head swim.

XNN

Would CVN-76 have R/O water systems or heat distillation?

[XNavyNuke]

Would CVN-76 have R/O water systems or heat distillation?

Flash distillation. It's always nice to have Non-Conf sources when replying with specifics.

Http://bluewaternavy.org/harbors/riskanalysisNavyships.pdf

XNN

[PaulConventionWV]

Radiation has been hyped up. It's not as bad as everyone thinks it is.

[MRK]

Radiation has been hyped up. It's not as bad as everyone thinks it is.


Fifty-nine young people in Fukushima prefecture have been diagnosed with or are suspected of having thyroid cancer, but experts are divided about whether their illness is caused by nuclear radiation.

All of them were younger than 18 at the time of the nuclear meltdown in the area in March 2011. They were identified in tests by the prefectural government, which covered 239,000 people by the end of September.

At a meeting hosted by Japan's Environmental Ministry and the prefectural government on Saturday, most experts were not convinced radiation leaks from the Fukushima nuclear plant could trigger thyroid cancer in children so soon, the Asahi Shimbun reported yesterday.

Among those who voiced alarm was Toshihide Tsuda, a professor of epidemiology at Okayama University. He called upon the government to prepare for a possible increase in cases in the future.

"The rate at which children in Fukushima prefecture have developed thyroid cancer can be called frequent, because it is several times to several tens of times higher," the newspaper quoted him as saying.

He compared the figures in Fukushima with cancer registration statistics throughout Japan from 1975 to 2008 that showed an annual average of five to 11 people in their late teens to early 20s developing cancer for every 1 million people.

http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1388611/surge-cancers-among-young-fukushima-experts-divided-cause

Based on some napkin math... 1.97175 young people would have gotten thyroid cancer in an otherwise normal year. This year, 59 young people have gotten thyroid cancer in Fukushima province.

[PaulConventionWV]

Based on some napkin math... 1.97175 young people would have gotten thyroid cancer in an otherwise normal year. This year, 59 young people have gotten thyroid cancer in Fukushima province.


UNSCEAR also found no observable health effects from last year’s nuclear accident in Fukushima. No effects.

The Japanese people can start eating their own food again, and moving back into areas only lightly contaminated with radiation levels that are similar to background in many areas of the world like Colorado and Brazil.


Of course, doubling the dose doesn’t double the cancers below 10 rem/yr (0.1 Sv/yr). It has no effect at all. The millions of nuclear workers that have been monitored closely for 50 years have no higher cancer mortality than the general population but have had several to ten times the average dose. People living in New Mexico and Wyoming have twice the annual dose as those in Los Angeles, but have lower cancer rates. These cannot occur if LNT were true, because LNT states this could not occur.

There are no observable effects in any population group around the planet that suggest LNT is true below 10 rem/yr (0.1 Sv/yr) even in areas of the Middle East, Brazil and France where natural background doses exceed 10 rem/yr (0.1 Sv/yr).

Although rarely discussed, LNT does not take into account the organisms immune system, biological recovery time between doses or other relevant mechanisms that operate at low doses on an actual organism versus cells in a petri dish.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2013/01/11/like-weve-been-saying-radiation-is-not-a-big-deal/


"On the basis of the radiation doses people have received, there is no reason to think there would be an increase in cancer in the next 50 years," said Wade Allison, an emeritus professor of physics at Oxford University, who was not connected to the WHO report. "The very small increase in cancers means that it's even less than the risk of crossing the road," he said.

WHO acknowledged in its report that it relied on some assumptions that may have resulted in an overestimate of the radiation dose in the general population.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cancer-risk-from-fukushima-nuclear-plant-disaster-quite-small-says-world-health-organization/