Drone kills 15 civilians in Yemen by mistake

[Warlord]

(Reuters) - Fifteen people on their way to a wedding in Yemen (http://www.reuters.com/places/yemen) were killed in an air strike after their party was mistaken for an al Qaeda convoy, local security officials said on Thursday.

The officials did not identify the plane in the strike in central al-Bayda province, but tribal and local media sources said that it was a drone.

"An air strike missed its target and hit a wedding car convoy, ten people were killed immediately and another five who were injured died after being admitted to the hospital," one security official said.

Five more people were injured, the officials said.

The United States has stepped up drone strikes as part of a campaign against Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), regarded by Washington as the most active wing of the militant network.

More:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/12/us-yemen-strike-idUSBRE9BB10O20131212

[jllundqu]

More:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/12/us-yemen-strike-idUSBRE9BB10O20131212

Should be front-god-damned-page in every paper/blog/MSM outlet in the freaking world.....

God damn vipers, all of them

[jkr]

THIS ISNT WAR...THIS IS A HOSTILE TAKEOVER

[Mini-Me]

Whoops, our bad. We won't do it again. I mean, we will, but we'll apologize again. We won't apologize for not holding anyone accountable though, because that's just how we roll nowadays (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?435458-Affluenza-Defense-Rich-Texas-Teen-Gets-Probation-For-Killing-4-Pedestrians-While-Driving-Drun&p=5339593#post5339593).

[tod evans]

What'd it take to pack the warmongers into a C-130 or 7, ship them over there and turn the bastards over to the families?

[Mini-Me]

What'd it take to pack the warmongers into a C-130 or 7, ship them over there and turn the bastards over to the families?

It would take a lot of money and manpower, and I don't think a moneybomb would cut it for that one. ;)

[jllundqu]

at least Drudge picked it up.... would love to see HuffPo try to defend it!

[ZENemy]

We need to make a choice to stop funding this shit, its pathetic.


Spilling coffee is a mistake, killing 15 people at a wedding is DESPICABLE.

[jkob]

How do you think Americans would feel if China "accidentally" bombed us?

[Mini-Me]

How do you think Americans would feel if China "accidentally" bombed us?

YEAH, BUT WE'RE THE GOOD GUYS!

[JK/SEA]

How do you think Americans would feel if China "accidentally" bombed us?

i doubt enough would give a shit.

Shelter in place, Its all good.

[green73]

Just another day under the boot of the empire.


at least Drudge picked it up.... would love to see HuffPo try to defend it!

I was surprised by that.

[jllundqu]

Imagine if North Korea just bombed a wedding party in San Diego and said "Whoops! Our bad, we were trying to kill some sailors.... won't happen again" (Wink!)

It would be World War F__kin Three!!!

The double standard makes me want to do illegal things.... (Note to NSA/DHS - I am in no way inferring that I intend to harm anyone with the aforementioned statement.)

[Cutlerzzz]

Imagine if North Korea just bombed a wedding party in San Diego and said "Whoops! Our bad, we were trying to kill some sailors.... won't happen again" (Wink!)

It would be World War F__kin Three!!!

The double standard makes me want to do illegal things.... (Note to NSA/DHS - I am in no way inferring that I intend to harm anyone with the aforementioned statement.)

Most Americans would be relieved that it was some civilians on the way to their wedding killed instead of military personal.

[green73]

Ron Paul's commentary on the situation in Yemen.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d8HTsXMnPs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3d8HTsXMnPs

text
http://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/08/ron-paul/why-is-the-us-making-war-on-yemen/

[Christian Liberty]

Most Americans would be relieved that it was some civilians on the way to their wedding killed instead of military personal.
Its things like this that make me look forward to the end of time.

Christ saved his people, but as for the rest, its going to be one heck of a shock...

[alucard13mm]

Great. Kill 15 people, now those 15 people's relatives, love ones and friends will join Al Qaeda and fight us. Fantastic.

[Christian Liberty]

Great. Kill 15 people, now those 15 people's relatives, love ones and friends will join Al Qaeda and fight us. Fantastic.
And then we'll fight against them "For our freedoms".

:rolleyes:

[enhanced_deficit]

It is encouraging that no standing ovation from US Congress so far thanking the valiant drone joy-stick drivers who defend our freedoms splendidly.



Great. Kill 15 people, now those 15 people's relatives, love ones and friends will join Al Qaeda and fight us. Fantastic.

We have a very effective Police State with strong protections (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?435179-Does-majority-of-Americans-support-or-oppose-Freedom-for-Palestinians&p=5336316&viewfull=1#post5336316) now, so should be no big cause for concern. It's probably a win-win for nTool as his next fund raiser with anti-arab wing of Hollywood "liberals" lobby may get a boost because of killing of this arab wedding party.


Timing wise, interesting close of Mandela funeral ceremonies by SWC Drone King though, usually this scale of freedom bombings take place in Afghan region.


at least Drudge picked it up.... would love to see HuffPo try to defend it!

To be fair to HuffPo, they had published these photos earlier:


Not an easy call to make to support his extradition, he himself has two small daughters. For accountability of a suspected war criminal, a trial in the US would be better option imo according to US Constitutional and war crimes laws. His neecon masters role should be investigated too to determine whether he was a willing party to alleged crimes or was being abused/threatened/coerced behind the scenes.

On a different note, if protesters are so fiesty so far away from alleged Obama war crime scenes, it's got be far more turbulent near the actual crime scenes. There were some lib suggestions way back that Obama should visit parents/families of children killed by drone attacks his pup masters had him wage but considering past protests there, that would not have been smart idea and his neocon masters made the right call to not dispatch him on public relatons tour there.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Hv5F5G2rPjY/UTjs9RJw1OI/AAAAAAAANYY/M0ZV407FSVQ/s1600/droneC1.PNG (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=children%20drone&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=Zi8NhxAZCcdzdM&tbnid=3os0vAY--oYXjM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhpmonitor.blogspot.com%2F2013%2F0 3%2Fhuffpost-us-drone-policy-is-suffering.html&ei=eanOUYzuOIrs9ATcrYHYAQ&bvm=bv.48572450,d.eWU&psig=AFQjCNGTMwPxvaB5YPzkbff1rfU1NqvEMg&ust=1372584663393824)

http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20121108&t=2&i=672185719&w=460&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&r=CDEE8A70L2E00



http://factreal.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/muslimragekabul2012sept16.jpg?w=521&h=372 (http://factreal.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/muslimragekabul2012sept16.jpg)



http://moonbattery.com/obama-hanged-in-effigy.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=obama%2Beffigy%2Bhanged%2Bafghan&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=AWrLlYv8U6wTrM&tbnid=fD3bBTbnJH60oM:&ved=&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmoonbattery.com%2F%3Fp%3D8631&ei=XKPOUdrUBIeQ9gTV0YGwBA&bvm=bv.48572450,d.eWU&psig=AFQjCNG_ImRWj-R97tiek5v8aSGHfJNa5w&ust=1372583132440477)





Should be front-god-damned-page in every paper/blog/MSM outlet in the freaking world.....

God damn vipers, all of them

It probbly would be a small side note if covered at all by much of MSM and within a day will be forgotten like thiis "killed by mistake" news:
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/azz1.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=QOIB3jwJMx1PKM&tbnid=TXpkhJ3LfWrIXM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.whatdoesitmean.com%2Findex171 2.htm&ei=9zyqUsvHN4uGkQfMpYHgDw&bvm=bv.57967247,d.eW0&psig=AFQjCNEF0_VmtWu2r2GOsJe_P0ex9dmpCA&ust=1386974829100784)


Related:

SWC Drone King's Victims Diaries I (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?431097-U-S-drone-strikes-killed-Pakistani-grandmother&p=5277619&viewfull=1#post5277619)

SWC Drone King's Victims Diaries II (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?431958-Girl-who-survived-Obama-drone-attack-is-younger-than-his-daughter&p=5288233&viewfull=1#post5288233)

SWC Drone King will not publicly apologise for Afghan civilians deaths (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?434051-Breaking-SWC-%28Goldman-Sachs-funded%29-will-not-publicly-apologise-for-Afghan-civilians-deaths)

U.S. commander apologizes for drone strike that killed Afghan child (http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2013/11/29/US-commander-apologizes-for-drone-strike-that-killed-Afghan-child/UPI-50951385737556/#ixzz2mG7Sqohd)

More than three out of four Afghans live in fear of the U.S. troops (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?434995-More-than-three-out-of-four-Afghans-live-in-fear-of-the-U-S-troops&p=5332725&viewfull=1#post5332725)

The Kill Team (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-kill-team-20110327)

[Philhelm]

The double standard makes me want to do illegal things.... (Note to NSA/DHS - I am in no way inferring that I intend to harm anyone with the aforementioned statement.)

Fuck the NSA and the DHS. Their heads should be on pikes. Their wives, sisters, and mothers should be defiled by baboons. Their homes should be burned to the ground and the land covered with salt. Anyone related to them should be expelled from this nation on pain of death. All records of their existence should be expunged.

[OsherDoctorow]

Having "over-killed" Al Qaeda people many times over for (allegedly) 9-11, the Obama Administration might as well just admit that it is in the murder business. Has anybody in their right mind really voted for this (of course not!)? Time for Swiss Public Referendum government, and goodbye "Electoral system abdicating the public's responsibility to a few politians."

[Anti Federalist]

Were the brave drone operators OK?

[kcchiefs6465]

But when they joke about it, and indeed, they do joke about it, some here say how likable they really are, and how it is just the extreme "lose/lose" situation of the presidency that resorts these war criminals into as much.

Of course posthumously hanging previous war criminals, as well as trying all those alive, sounds radical. This is the problem with our foreign policy. We purposely kick hornet's nests multiple times and have the audacity to pull out the Raid when we get stung. And the bystanders in the background couldn't be bothered with details. Never ending wars until the ultimate ending where "we" undoubtedly irradiate the planet beyond livable conditions. I'm rather amazed "our" antics have been tolerated for so long.

I don't think I could put the ridiculousness of our Yemeni foreign policy in proper perspective. I mean, "we're" assassinating mediators, signature striking groups of children, imprisoning journalists, killing the dictator's political enemies on Yemeni "intelligence" (lies), and creating a breeding ground for "radical Islam" to take hold. There's a Yemeni child speaking about the day "the Americans" bombed her. (killing her entire community aside from her mother and another man) She draws pictures of drones and fire. I would like to think if the average American heard her speak, or saw the pictures she draws, this would end. People can argue with themselves about the morality of drone warfare versus boots on the ground but at the end of the day, they need to look in the eyes of a child who was blinded when a piece of debris took off half their face. I'm sure this isn't really a breaking aspect, but many of the family of those who were killed said they wanted nothing more than to put on a vest. And these were the people who looked upon America with awe. FUBAR.

[ravedown]

what makes the idiots that support these strikes so certain that these drones can't be hacked and turned around and used on US forces or flown over the US border for a drop on the superbowl or whatever? i imagine it's inevitable and when that happens....oh the outrage and disgust that will be on display! i give it 2-3 years tops.

[Anti Federalist]

Fuck the NSA and the DHS. Their heads should be on pikes. Their wives, sisters, and mothers should be defiled by baboons. Their homes should be burned to the ground and the land covered with salt. Anyone related to them should be expelled from this nation on pain of death. All records of their existence should be expunged.

I concur.

[dillo]

They hate us for our freedoms

[bw68]

This is so shameful. I wonder how many new "terrorists" will spawn from this incident.

[Carson]

Did they hit a wedding party when they were hunting for a funeral procession?

Now they have several more chances it seems AND they have the first responder thing going for them.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b_gmO7AJS4

[Anti Federalist]

I would like to think if the average American heard her speak, or saw the pictures she draws, this would end. People can argue with themselves about the morality of drone warfare versus boots on the ground but at the end of the day, they need to look in the eyes of a child who was blinded when a piece of debris took off half their face.

You would be wrong.

Boobus is stupid, craven and weak.

But he is also bloodthirsty.

A dangerous combination.

[pcosmar]

Mistake?

Bullshit. They have been targeting weddings and funerals for years.
there was no mistake,, they blew up the target..

[Anti Federalist]

Mistake?

Bullshit. They have been targeting weddings and funerals for years.
there was no mistake,, they blew up the target..

Yup, that's the real bitch of it, this was no mistake.

This is SOP.

Carried out every day.

"Easy...just don't lead 'em so much!"

[kcchiefs6465]

Mistake?

Bullshit. They have been targeting weddings and funerals for years.
there was no mistake,, they blew up the target..
They didn't even know the names of their target.

Groups walking in areas of Yemen, Afghanistan, Somalia, and Pakistan are a target for death.

16 years old and up, you are counted as a combatant.

[enhanced_deficit]

You would be wrong.

Boobus is stupid, craven and weak.

But he is also bloodthirsty.

A dangerous combination.

This.

[Influenza]

I think the US should invest even more in drone industry. Specifically, an undo function, so that after they kill any innocents (basically every strike) they can just press ctrl+z and everything is ok again!

[Henry Rogue]

Were the brave drone operators OK?They're ok, but they did fear for their lives right before they pulled the trigger.

[Christian Liberty]

I concur.

I hope that post was in jest, because exiling someone because of who they are related to is a North Korea type action... anti-liberty.

Heck, both of my grandparents were in the navy, and some people in my church support the military, should I be exiled now?;)

[enhanced_deficit]

I hope that post was in jest, because exiling someone because of who they are related to is a North Korea type action... anti-liberty.

Heck, both of my grandparents were in the navy, and some people in my church support the military, should I be exiled now?;)

US exiled relatives of Osama in sepcial flights couple of days after 9/11, is US and North Korea same in your view? More importantly, are public of US and NK same?

[Christian Liberty]

US exiled relatives of Osama in sepcial flights couple of days after 9/11, is US and North Korea same in your view? More importantly, are public of US and NK same?

Exactly the same? No. Did the US government take a tyrannical, North Korea lite action there? Yeah.

It could easily be argued that internationally the US Presidency is responsible for more death and destruction than North Korea is, as a matter of totality. I'd agree with that. But domestically, I'd rather live here than there, as screwed up as this country is rapidly becomming.

Is the public the same? Not exactly. But its similar. Honestly, the NK people probably have more of an excuse. With this forum, LRC, and other libertarian websites accessible by typing a few characters in a search engine, there's really no excuse for military worship in this country. Most people in NK are probably incapable of knowing any better.

[Christian Liberty]

You would be wrong.

Boobus is stupid, craven and weak.

But he is also bloodthirsty.

A dangerous combination.

I had someone in my world politics class say that if the US government was going to kill people he'd rather it be done by drones because at least US Military wouldn't have to put their lives on the line.

Yes, really.

Even ignoring the fact that drone combat depersonalizes combat, anyone who is willing to go and kill civilians deserves to die.

[enhanced_deficit]

It could easily be argued that internationally the US Presidency is responsible for more death and destruction than North Korea is, as a matter of totality. I'd agree with that.

I don't think it is a matter of argument at all, there is no contest.

And it is not just Presidency, US tax payers/voters are deep and thick in these plots.

[Christian Liberty]

I don't think it is a matter of argument at all, there is no contest.


I agree. I'm honestly not at 100% logically right now. My head is kind of spinning. I'm still ticked off at the OP story, and some of the comments that were made about it by some of my fellow students. But yes, you are right. I think NK's government is worse domestically, but the US is worse internationally.

And it is not just Presidency, US tax payers/voters are deep and thick in these plots.

We've had this discussion here on the forums, but I don't think tax paying necessarily makes you culpable. If you submit to an armed robber, you are a victim, not an aggressor.

Those who willingly choose to join the military, police, etc.... now I'd agree with that argument. Donating money to the government (I don't think many people do this, but you can)? Sure. Choosing to loan the government money by buying savings bonds? Maybe.

But just forking over what you have to to stay out of a rape cage? No, I don't think that makes you responsible.

As for voting, it really depends, IMO. In part I think that's true if you're actually voting for a candidate who will likely do this kind of crap (Its a sliding scale based on certain factors. Ignorance reduces culpability to some degree, although not entirely. Those who vote for a bad candidate for "Lesser of evils" reasons are similarly less culpable than those who actually support the candidate's evil policies, although "Less culpable" =/= "Not culpable.") But I definitely don't think you're responsible if you vote for a principled candidate just because you cast a ballot. Those who voted for Ron Paul in the GOP primary were in no way responsible for Romney winning the same. If Ron Paul had ran against Obama, those who voted for Ron Paul would not have been "consenting to the results" if Obama happened to win.

[enhanced_deficit]

Good point, I should have qualified it by saying "many many tax payers & voters".

But recall 70-80% of US public supported Freedom revenge attack on Iraqi people when tyhey had nothing to do with 9/11 other than of being same race as suspected suspects.

[Christian Liberty]

Good point, I should have qualified it by saying "many many tax payers & voters".


Oh, yes, I agree.



But recall 70-80% of US public supported Freedom revenge attack on Iraqi people when tyhey had nothing to do with 9/11 other than of being same race as suspected suspects.

Shamefully, I supported it back then as well. In my defense, I was 8 and didn't know anything but the patriotic crap I was being fed. Further in my defense, I think I've had some influence on my family, even if I'm still too extreme for them. 4 years ago (Or whenever it was) my dad wanted to see Assange punished as a traitor. With the Snowden thing recently, my dad was OK with what he did.

[enhanced_deficit]

8 year olds can get away with lot of things that adults can't, "support for unjust war" is generally not their thing but oh well :)

Important thing is you are educating yourself and are way ahead of many others much older.

[Antischism]

Whoops?

When does this madness end? Can you imagine what would happen if another country did this on American soil?


(Reuters) - Fifteen people on their way to a wedding in Yemen were killed in an air strike after their party was mistaken for an al Qaeda convoy, local security officials said on Thursday.

The officials did not identify the plane in the strike in central al-Bayda province, but tribal and local media sources said that it was a drone.

"An air strike missed its target and hit a wedding car convoy, ten people were killed immediately and another five who were injured died after being admitted to the hospital," one security official said.

Five more people were injured, the officials said.

more (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/12/us-yemen-strike-idUSBRE9BB10O20131212)

[Mani]

We blew up a wedding party. Full of innocent people. And it doesn't make news, and America ignores.

Some brain dead 21 year old in a skanky outfit can rub her bum on some dude on stage and that will cause an uproar and millions of traffic and conversation. But our gov't blows up a wedding party...MURDERS innocent people in cold blood...and not a fucking peep.


Why can't the American people, wake up for 1 second...and Think about it for a second...Imagine you are attending your wedding...your brother's wedding...your daughter's wedding...any close family's wedding...and on your way to the ceremony...on what should be one of the happiest moments in you life....When missles of death come raining down on you and your loved ones blowing some of them up into little pieces.

All from a gov't 10,000 miles away that you have no quarrel with and just says...Ooops, we made a mistake.

How on Earth can this not be considered such a heinous horrible act by the entire population? Why wouldn't they be screaming at the top of their lungs at our gov't murdering in such a despicable manner?

We are remembering the tragedy of Sandy Hook these last few days, but our gov't commits similar atrocities but there's no outrage? Just a shrug of, "War is hell." by a few bootlickers and back to arguing team left vs team right? Back to which young tramp is dancing on stage to garner attention?

[Mani]

The other idiotic comment made by the bootlickers boggles my mind.

This one about hanging out with Al Qaeda members:

"You stand next to an Al-Quaida member, you risk getting blown up. plain and simple."


Yes, because when you attend a Wedding...You know the history and background of EVERY FUCKING PERSON at the wedding...so it's COMPLETELY your fault when the wedding gets blown to shit.




"Not that I condone killing innocent people ever...but maybe the innocent should start giving up those connected to terrorist groups. That will stop drones strikes quickly. "

Yes, because the innocent should just point out who the bad guys are and this shit will be over by Christmas right???? Who the fuck are these naive fucking idiots???? Hey....if we only told them who's the terrorist...The drone strikes would end tomorrow...aw shucks...why didn't we think of that before?????

How fucking stupid do you have to be to think like this? are you 5 fucking years old??? That's it huh? Just say, "Hey all the bad guys live over in that creepy house at the end of the block...you blow that up, and we just ended the war on terror! Yay! Happy New Year!" OMG how fucking stupid are these people???


Because AQ members when they get up in the morning, they put on their Red and White...AQ uniforms and punch in at the AQ plant down the road. And they always eat at the AQ donut shop during lunch breaks. And all their cars are marked with AQ bumper stickers that say, "Allah or bust...or both" or some stupid shit.

Do these people live in fucking reality?


The interesting thing about our country, we have SERIAL KILLERS and pychos who fucking kidnap and rape people and have them trapped in their god damn basement for years and years, and the neighbors walk by them everyday. Some of the fucks also go on shooting rampages on school or malls, etc. Yet does anyone EVER blame the neighbor?

Does anyone say...Well the neighbor deserved to die for not knowing the serial killer was next door? This happens ALL the time, with Serial Killers and Pyschos running around...Yet the innocent people are to blame???

So these stupid fucks, claim that other people in other countries, need to know who are the ALL the bad guys in their country are, or else they deserve to get blown up.....How fucking idiotic and impractical is that?

[fr33]

Preserving the sanctity of marriage by killing those who attend one. We have never been at war with Yemen. We have always been at war with Yemen.

[Inkblots]

Evil is as evil does...

I sometimes wonder if there are any people of faith at all in the upper echelons of the Federal government. I can't believe anyone who believes they will one day face the Final Judgement would be able to create, implement or follow our foreign policy.

[kcchiefs6465]

"Not that I condone killing innocent people ever...but maybe the innocent should start giving up those connected to terrorist groups. That will stop drones strikes quickly. "

Yes, because the innocent should just point out who the bad guys are and this shit will be over by Christmas right???? Who the fuck are these naive fucking idiots???? Hey....if we only told them who's the terrorist...The drone strikes would end tomorrow...aw shucks...why didn't we think of that before?????
People are ascribing the label of terrorist to political rivals and people they've had a feud with. Over money, land, etc. the reporter benefits over who he reports on. They have a dispute over the lines of their land? whoever says his neighbor is the Taliban (or area related "counterpart") gains. They get tip money and can settle the dispute. Moral hazard taken to the extreme.

JSOC and/or the CIA has killed mediators, elders, children....

(http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2010/05/2010525104445518461.html)

[Mani]

People are ascribing the label of terrorist to political rivals and people they've had a feud with. Over money, land, etc. the reporter benefits over who he reports on. They have a dispute over the lines of their land? whoever says his neighbor is the Taliban (or area related "counterpart") gains. They get tip money and can settle the dispute. Moral hazard taken to the extreme.

JSOC or the CIA has killed mediators, elders, children....

(http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2010/05/2010525104445518461.html)

YES, i didn't even mention that part. People who are guilty of nothing but petty arguments are getting blown away because of, "Intelligence reports" from their rivals.

[pcosmar]

Back to which young tramp is dancing on stage to garner attention?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNw6J9g5ahw

[mosquitobite]

American exceptional-ism!

Go Team 'Murika!


Seriously though. The general argument from the sheep for the war on terror is that these people are extremists and don't care about hurting civilians.

Um... hello. Pot, meet Kettle!

[Warlord]

You would be wrong.

Boobus is stupid, craven and weak.

But he is also bloodthirsty.

A dangerous combination.

USA, USA!

[Christian Liberty]

8 year olds can get away with lot of things that adults can't, "support for unjust war" is generally not their thing but oh well :)


I think I unintentionally exaggerated a little bit on the ages. I don't think I actually had an opinion at age 8. It was probably closer to 12 or 13 when I started caring at all. Although I remember in 2004 arguing with another 9 year old over whether Bush or Kerry was the better candidate (I supported Bush at the time, shame on me.) But I only supported Bush because my parents supported Bush, I didn't actually know any of his policies, other than maybe that Bush was "pro-life" (Which isn't actually true, of course) And that Kerry was "Pro-choice." But yeah, I doubt I had real opinions on anything else until 12 or 13.
I obviously didn't know it was an unjust war. I believed the propaganda, that Iraq was a threat and that the troops were "Defending our freedoms". I was interested in politics from an early age, but I obviously didn't really "Get it" at that point. Even back then I was smarter than the average person though. I knew the Patriot Act was unconstitutional, and also knew it was illogical. I reasoned that if the terrorists were really fighting us because of our freedoms, weren't laws like that helping the terrorists to win? I still don't understand how the average person can't even reason that far, when I was able to at like 12 years old.

It took Ron Paul for me to actually notice any connection between warfare and taxation though, to understand blowback and why the other countries hated us so much, etc.

Important thing is you are educating yourself and are way ahead of many others much older.

Thanks:)

USA, USA!

Sucks?

[pcosmar]

Evil is as evil does...

I sometimes wonder if there are any people of faith at all in the upper echelons of the Federal government. I can't believe anyone who believes they will one day face the Final Judgement would be able to create, implement or follow our foreign policy.

Oh,,there are people with faith.
They just have a different god. And they believe they will be rewarded when he rules the earth.

[Christian Liberty]

We blew up a wedding party. Full of innocent people. And it doesn't make news, and America ignores.

Some brain dead 21 year old in a skanky outfit can rub her bum on some dude on stage and that will cause an uproar and millions of traffic and conversation. But our gov't blows up a wedding party...MURDERS innocent people in cold blood...and not a fucking peep.


Why can't the American people, wake up for 1 second...and Think about it for a second...Imagine you are attending your wedding...your brother's wedding...your daughter's wedding...any close family's wedding...and on your way to the ceremony...on what should be one of the happiest moments in you life....When missles of death come raining down on you and your loved ones blowing some of them up into little pieces.

All from a gov't 10,000 miles away that you have no quarrel with and just says...Ooops, we made a mistake.

How on Earth can this not be considered such a heinous horrible act by the entire population? Why wouldn't they be screaming at the top of their lungs at our gov't murdering in such a despicable manner?

We are remembering the tragedy of Sandy Hook these last few days, but our gov't commits similar atrocities but there's no outrage? Just a shrug of, "War is hell." by a few bootlickers and back to arguing team left vs team right? Back to which young tramp is dancing on stage to garner attention?

I agree, this is how I feel.

This came up in my world politics class, hardly a peep. One person even says "Well, if the government is going to kill people, I'd at least rather them use a drone so some member of the military won't have to risk his life?" Seriously? Anybody who is willing to murder people like that deserves to die, plain and simple. I'll cry for their souls, but that's about it.

And yet when environmental pollution came up, someone called it "evil". Yet not a peep about the murder of 15 people.

I'm still ticked, because these people are still around.

Evil is as evil does...

I sometimes wonder if there are any people of faith at all in the upper echelons of the Federal government. I can't believe anyone who believes they will one day face the Final Judgement would be able to create, implement or follow our foreign policy.

I believe Ron Paul's faith is real. That's about all I can say. He's not in government anymore, though.

[paulbot24]

So will we have Obama's hipster stooge Jay Carney telling us six months from now, "well since they're all dead now, what difference, at this point, does it make?"

[jllundqu]

Really angers me. I posted like 4 things about this on Facebook... no one CARES! If I post something about my latest bowel movement, it would get 100 likes and spark a lively discussion! It's like people are seriously plugged into the matrix and when confronted with shit like this they get the 'blue screen of death' and shutdown...

[Christian Liberty]

Really angers me. I posted like 4 things about this on Facebook... no one CARES! If I post something about my latest bowel movement, it would get 100 likes and spark a lively discussion! It's like people are seriously plugged into the matrix and when confronted with shit like this they get the 'blue screen of death' and shutdown...

Yep, we're screwed.

[Occam's Banana]

The other idiotic comment made by the bootlickers boggles my mind.


Not that I condone killing innocent people ever...but

Notice how this boob issues the standard disclaimer about how he doesn't condone some despicable act that he then proceeds to condone.

"I'm not a maliciously murderous goon, but ..."


maybe the innocent should start giving up those connected to terrorist groups.

That's pretty funny.

Does anyone care to bet against the idea that Mr. Bootlicker here would sputter in righteous outrage and pious indignation if it were pointed out to him that there are a LOT of people "over there" who could & would say EXACTLY the same thing regarding the innocents who died in America on 9-11 ... ?

No? I didn't think so ...


That will stop drones strikes quickly.

No, it won't, you vicious idiot. The drone strikes would continue with just as much vigor as before - while mealy-mouthed assholes like you would continue making pathetic & unsupportable excuses for it.

The ONLY "terrorists" involved in this inicident are the ones piloting the drones, the ones commanding them, and the politicians & bureaucrats who oversee it all.

[Right Wing]

Whoops, sorry, it was a mistake! Killing 15 people is reduced to the sentiment of knocking over a cup of coffee. Amazing!

[Warlord]

epic smackdown of bootlicker from Occam!