LewRockwell.com: Useful Idiots 2013

[FrankRep]

Useful Idiots 2013 (http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/useful-idiots-2013/)


Charles Burris | LewRockwell.com (http://www.lewrockwell.com/)
December 10, 2013


During the years of the 1930′s Popular Front, the Communist International directed the Soviet intelligence-led world-wide agitprop campaign of Communists and fellow travelers of the Left against fascism, while covertly the intelligence services of Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union were secretly cooperating in various sinister endeavors. (See Stephen Koch, Double Lives: Spies and Writers in the Secret Soviet War of Ideas Against the West (http://tinyurl.com/pxj6vle), The Free Press/Macmillian, Inc., 1994; republished as Double Lives: Stalin, Willi Muzenberg and the Seduction of the Intellectuals (http://tinyurl.com/ovpwxnd), Enigma Books, 2004).


Professor Koch meticulously details the manipulation by the Soviets’ master propagandist Willi Munzenberg of thousands of European and American progressives in the inner-war period of the 1920s and 1930s by his vast publishing network and interlocking front organizations under the covert direction of the Communist International (Comintern) and the Soviet secret services of the NKVD and the GRU. He particularly concentrates upon the intellectual elite that fell under Munzenberg’s sway in this cultural war against the West. This includes such persons as Ernest Hemingway, John Steinbeck, Andre’ Malraux, Andre’ Gide, Pablo Picasso, Dorothy Parker, George Grosz, Lincoln Steffens, John Dos Passos, Bertolt Brecht, Lillian Hellman, Dashiell Hammett and Sidney and Beatrice Webb.

Those in the leadership of the Comintern apparat had a name for those naïve fools who fell for their disinformation propaganda – “useful idiots.”

As this article demonstrates there are still celebrity “useful idiots” among us. (http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/05/showbiz/nelson-mandela-dies-celebs-twitter/)

At the Nelson Mandela Memorial Service President Obama praised Mandela as “the last great liberator of the 20th century (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/nelson-mandela-memorial-obama-praises-664452)” and urged the world to continue his life’s work for justice and equality. What exactly did he mean by this?


http://static.infowars.com/bindnfocom/2013/12/slovo1.jpg


Here is photo of Winnie Mandela, Nelson Mandela, and long-time leader of the South African Communist Party Joe Slovo at an African National Congress rally, 1990. All three are shown engaged in the raised clenched fist salute which for a century has been the salute of Communists. In the background is the hammer and sickle symbol appearing on a red star. This has been the symbol of the international Communist movement since 1917, and was featured on the flags of the Soviet Union, the People’s Republic of China, and Communist parties throughout the world.

Inspired by Communist Fidel Castro’s 26th of July Movement in the Cuban Revolution, and Soviet premier Nikita Khrushchev’s call for “wars of national liberation,” in 1961 Mandela co-founded Umkhonto we Sizwe (“Spear of the Nation”, abbreviated MK) with Sisulu and the Communist Joe Slovo. Becoming chairman of the militant group, he gained ideas from illegal literature on guerilla warfare by Mao and Che Guevara. Officially separate from the ANC, in later years MK became the group’s armed wing. Most early MK members were white Communists; after hiding in Communist Wolfie Kodesh’s flat in Berea, Mandela moved to the Communist-owned Liliesleaf Farm in Rivonia, there joined by Raymond Mhlaba, Slovo and Bernstein, who put together the MK constitution.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mk_1hVwMyYQ


Watch this brief YouTube video, Nelson Mandela kill Whites, where Mandela is shown with fellow MK members singing an anthem about killing whites while raising their fists in the Communist salute. After his death, the Communist Party and the ANC confirmed that Mandela was a covert member of the Central Executive Committee of the South African Communist Party at the time he was arrested as a terrorist in 1962.

From the December 5, 2013 statement (http://www.workers.org/articles/2013/12/06/statement-south-african-communist-party-nelson-mandela/) of South African Communist Party deputy general secretary Solly Mapaila:



“At his arrest in August 1962, Nelson Mandela was not only a member of the then underground South African Communist Party, but was also a member of our party’s central committee. To us as South African communists, Cde Mandela shall forever symbolize the monumental contribution of the SACP in our liberation struggle,” the party said in a statement reacting to Mandela’s death.

“The contribution of communists in the struggle to achieve the South African freedom has very few parallels in the history of our country. After his release from prison in 1990, Cde Madiba became a great and close friend of the communists till his last days.”


This was the real legacy of Nelson Mandela.

[fr33]

Why not focus on the most dangerous useful idiots? Those that believe in the republic of the 50 states of America. When it comes to killing, theft, and destruction, South Africa is a piker compared to the USA.

I understand you want to tear down Mandela during his funeral and I don't really care about it or him. He did nothing that really affected me or you. If you start a topic about useful idiots in 2013, it should be about those that support the most blood thirsty regime on the planet. And those useful idiots would be; Americans.

Men like Clinton, Bush, and Obama have had more people robbed and killed then Mandela ever considered. Cue the hail to the chief. Please stand for the pledge. Place your hand over your heart.

[fr33]

When Mandela rose to power he killed people. The same happened when George Washington rose to power. The SOB should have been hanged after the Whiskey Rebellion. Useful idiots prevented that from happening.

[ronpaulfollower999]

So he's singing about killing white people, with other white people?

Sometimes I wonder who the real useful idiots are...

[FloralScent]

So he's singing about killing white people, with other white people?

Sometimes I wonder who the real useful idiots are...

If you're referring to the man in the picture, he's Jewish.

[BuddyRey]

When Mandela rose to power he killed people. The same happened when George Washington rose to power. The SOB should have been hanged after the Whiskey Rebellion. Useful idiots prevented that from happening.

I wish I could rep you a gozillion times!

[FrankRep]

When Mandela rose to power he killed people. The same happened when George Washington rose to power. The SOB should have been hanged after the Whiskey Rebellion. Useful idiots prevented that from happening.

Paying Off the Revolutionary War Debt

The Founding Fathers sought to pay off the massive debt from the War of Independence by imposing taxes on imports (tariffs) as well as taxes on the sale of alcohol and tobacco (which are called “excises”). The tax on alcohol prompted farmers in Western Pennsylvania to start a tax revolt, now called the “Whiskey Rebellion,” as whiskey had come into use among poor frontier traders as money in lieu of scarce gold and silver coin. Faced with the rebellion, and several federal tax collectors being shot at by the rebels (whom today would almost certainly be branded “terrorists”), President George Washington put down the rebellion in a way that would have enraged today’s neoconservatives who believe in a “unitary executive.” Washington first asked permission of Congress to call up the state militia and enforce the internal revenue laws. When congressional leaders agreed, Washington marched out at the head of the Virginia and Pennsylvania militia and negotiated with the “terrorists,” who agreed to put down their arms. And when two civilians were shot accidentally by militiamen, Washington handed the soldiers over to local prosecutors to be tried for murder charges. (Both were exonerated after an investigation.) President Washington then pardoned most of the rebels. Washington would today probably be branded by neocons as being a weak executive who didn’t “support the troops.” Though unpopular in some parts of the country, the tax on alcohol continued through the end of John Adams’ presidency.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/history/item/14268-before-the-income-tax

[Ender]

Why not focus on the most dangerous useful idiots? Those that believe in the republic of the 50 states of America. When it comes to killing, theft, and destruction, South Africa is a piker compared to the USA.

I understand you want to tear down Mandela during his funeral and I don't really care about it or him. He did nothing that really affected me or you. If you start a topic about useful idiots in 2013, it should be about those that support the most blood thirsty regime on the planet. And those useful idiots would be; Americans.

Men like Clinton, Bush, and Obama have had more people robbed and killed then Mandela ever considered. Cue the hail to the chief. Please stand for the pledge. Place your hand over your heart.

Amen.

And thank you!

[Ender]

I wish I could rep you a gozillion times!

You and me both, bro!

[FrankRep]

I'm just glad to see that LewRockwell.com isn't jumping on the "Nelson Mandela is a hero" nonsense.

[dillo]

My problem isn't as much with Mandela as it is with the media portrayal of him. They ignore all of his terrorist acts, and act like he was some walking jesus. I just don't like being deceived and having a narrative pushed on me.

[fr33]

Paying Off the Revolutionary War Debt

The Founding Fathers sought to pay off the massive debt from the War of Independence by imposing taxes on imports (tariffs) as well as taxes on the sale of alcohol and tobacco (which are called “excises”). The tax on alcohol prompted farmers in Western Pennsylvania to start a tax revolt, now called the “Whiskey Rebellion,” as whiskey had come into use among poor frontier traders as money in lieu of scarce gold and silver coin. Faced with the rebellion, and several federal tax collectors being shot at by the rebels (whom today would almost certainly be branded “terrorists”), President George Washington put down the rebellion in a way that would have enraged today’s neoconservatives who believe in a “unitary executive.” Washington first asked permission of Congress to call up the state militia and enforce the internal revenue laws. When congressional leaders agreed, Washington marched out at the head of the Virginia and Pennsylvania militia and negotiated with the “terrorists,” who agreed to put down their arms. And when two civilians were shot accidentally by militiamen, Washington handed the soldiers over to local prosecutors to be tried for murder charges. (Both were exonerated after an investigation.) President Washington then pardoned most of the rebels. Washington would today probably be branded by neocons as being a weak executive who didn’t “support the troops.” Though unpopular in some parts of the country, the tax on alcohol continued through the end of John Adams’ presidency.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/history/item/14268-before-the-income-tax

It is unreal that you would post such a thing. According to FrankRep, we must pay to be free. In FrankRep's world we are slaves. Washington ordered the revenuers to enforce internal revenue practices and people died. He was responsible for those deaths. We're supposed to be forgiving according to FrankRep because Washington then pardoned "most" of the rebels. FrankRep wants just a few people to be killed by the state. Mandela surely could have had more people killed but he might have offended FrankRep.

[FrankRep]

It is unreal that you would post such a thing. According to FrankRep, we must pay to be free. In FrankRep's world we are slaves. Washington ordered the revenuers to enforce internal revenue practices and people died. He was responsible for those deaths. We're supposed to be forgiving according to FrankRep because Washington then pardoned "most" of the rebels. FrankRep wants just a few people to be killed by the state. Mandela surely could have had more people killed but he might have offended FrankRep.

Absolute nonsense.

Wars are expensive and the U.S. government needed to pay off the Revolutionary War Debt.

Nothing is Free, not even Freedom.

[fr33]

Absolute nonsense.

Wars are expensive and the U.S. government needed to pay off the Revolutionary War Debt.

Nothing is Free, not even Freedom.

Freedom is free. To pay another person to be free is the opposite of freedom. Refusal to pay the French landlords might have led to both French and American freedom. Unfortunately that was never the goal in either of the land masses. Instead the bloody socialist French revolution took place in both the US and France and has progressed quite nicely by socialist's standards. Killing the British for a few more years without France would have benefited France and the US. Instead slave ownership was promoted by debt just like it is today. The French and the US have still not learned the important lesson. Those killed by Washington's army in the whiskey rebellion didn't ask for France to establish another tyrannical body to replace the other tyrannical body to enslave them.

[FrankRep]

Freedom is free.

If freedom is free, then what are you fighting against?

[heavenlyboy34]

Freedom is free. To pay another person to be free is the opposite of freedom. Refusal to pay the French landlords might have led to both French and American freedom. Unfortunately that was never the goal in either of the land masses. Instead the bloody socialist French revolution took place in both the US and France and has progressed quite nicely by socialist's standards. Killing the British for a few more years without France would have benefited France and the US. Instead slave ownership was promoted by debt just like it is today. The French and the US have still not learned the important lesson. Those killed by Washington's army in the whiskey rebellion didn't ask for France to establish another tyrannical body to replace the other tyrannical body to enslave them.
IIRC, "Freedom Isn't Free" is a slogan made up in the Post-War era by the War Party's propaganda wing.

[FrankRep]

IIRC, "Freedom Isn't Free" is a slogan made up in the Post-War era by the War Party's propaganda wing.

Sweet, you're free. No need to fight any more.

[heavenlyboy34]

If freedom is free, then what are you fighting against?
That there is cost in defending one's freedom does not mean that freedom is not free. Freedom is man's natural state. Man can only be rightly "ruled" by God or sovereigns man trusts for this-who also are beholden to God.

[heavenlyboy34]

Sweet, you're free. No need to fight any more.
I don't consider defending myself from individuals or regimes "fighting". That word's semantics make it inappropriate for the action verb freemen use for self-defense. It's more like using a weapon to stop a thug ("defending onself").

[FrankRep]

That there is cost in defending one's freedom does not mean that freedom is not free. Freedom is man's natural state. Man can only be rightly "ruled" by God or sovereigns man trusts for this-who also are beholden to God.

You are surrounded by forces that want to take away your freedom and you must struggle to keep/gain your freedom. That struggle is not free, it will cost you.

[fr33]

If freedom is free, then what are you fighting against?

I'm fighting against people like YOU. It doesn't require a cost to be free. It requires a hell of a lot to be rid of tyrants that claim to own you. Freedom is free. To get there is expensive. You've gone so far as to quote Molyneux on this topic. That takes a special type of pussy. When I'm free it won't be a fight. When I face tyrants like you, the fight exists.



The tragic fact of business is that ordinary Africans were better off under colonialism.

Awww, Mandela killed people. So did Sam Adams.

As for someone that feels burning tires around their neck is wrong (like you), then stop supporting colonialsm. Until that happens, you deserve it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKfuS6gfxPY

[FrankRep]

I'm fighting against people like YOU.



So I'm your enemy now.



Whatever...

[fr33]

So I'm your enemy now.



Whatever...

Yes since it's been proven that you support colonialism, you are indeed the enemy. You chose to justify apartheid. There's nobody to blame but yourself.

[FrankRep]

Yes since it's been proven that you support colonialism, you are indeed the enemy. You chose to justify apartheid. There's nobody to blame but yourself.

I don't support colonialism. What the hell did I get labelled as a supporter of "colonialism"?

[fr33]

I don't support colonialism. What the hell did I get labelled as a supporter of "colonialism"?

Right here. This is your post and solution to a debate.


This will piss you off.


http://www.humanevents.com/wp-content/uploads/users/full/509.jpg


Were blacks better off under apartheid? (http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/williams010902.asp)

Walter Williams
Jan. 9, 2001



...
The tragic fact of business is that ordinary Africans were better off under colonialism. Colonial masters never committed anything near the murder and genocide seen under black rule in Rwanda, Burundi, Uganda, Nigeria, Mozambique, Somalia and other countries, where millions of blacks have been slaughtered in unspeakable ways, which include: hacking to death, boiling in oil, setting on fire and dismemberment. If as many elephants, zebras and lions had been as ruthlessly slaughtered, the world's leftists would be in a tizzy.

During South Africa's apartheid era, I visited several times and lectured at just about every university. In a 1987 syndicated column, I wrote: "Africa's past experience should give Western anti-apartheid activists some pause for thought. Wouldn't it be the supreme tragedy if South African blacks might ponder at some future date, like the animals of Jones' Manor (George Orwell's Animal Farm), whether they were better off under apartheid? That's why blacks must answer what's to come after apartheid? Black rule alone is no guarantee for black freedom."
...

You know which African leader killed less than those examples? Nelson Mandela.


You know who killed more than alll of the above? The USA.

[FrankRep]

I must have referenced Walter Williams because he points out that apartheid was bad, but blacks were better off.

No, Walter Williams does NOT support colonialism nor do I.



http://www.humanevents.com/wp-content/uploads/users/full/509.jpg
Walter Williams


Were blacks better off under apartheid? (http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/williams010902.asp)

Walter Williams
Jan. 9, 2001

[FrankRep]

Right here. This is your post and solution to a debate.


http://www.humanevents.com/wp-content/uploads/users/full/509.jpg
Walter Williams


Were blacks better off under apartheid? (http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/williams010902.asp)

Walter Williams
Jan. 9, 2001


You know which African leader killed less than those examples? Nelson Mandela.

You know who killed more than alll of the above? The USA.


Walter Williams does NOT support colonialism or apartheid.

Walter Williams is merely giving out the facts.

[amy31416]

Walter Williams does NOT support colonialism or apartheid.

Walter Williams is merely giving out the facts.

Except that he isn't.

He's pointing out the "facts" of apartheid vs. post-apartheid in SA. Guess what ENORMOUS part of the equation he's missing?

Pre-apartheid. Not much of a scholar or researcher if this is a common thing for him, in my opinion.

[FrankRep]

Except that he isn't.

He's pointing out the "facts" of apartheid vs. post-apartheid in SA. Guess what ENORMOUS part of the equation he's missing?

Pre-apartheid. Not much of a scholar or researcher if this is a common thing for him, in my opinion.

Walter Williams was writing an article, not a book, about apartheid vs. post-apartheid South Africa.


The truth is politically incorrect, sorry.


Disclaimer:

Walter Williams is NOT pro-apartheid/colonialism, nor am I.

[amy31416]

Walter Williams was writing an article, not a book, about apartheid vs. post-apartheid South Africa.


The truth is politically incorrect, sorry.


Disclaimer:

Walter Williams is NOT pro-apartheid/colonialism, nor am I.

A very incomplete article where it appears he started with a conclusion and left out a lot of pertinent information on pre-apartheid days. It's just one more, very important part, to give a complete view. I don't care about political correctness--I think the asshole white people who went into SA and destroyed tribal life as they knew it should have stayed the hell in their own countries unless they were welcomed by the natives and lived there in peace among them. I also think that most black people would have been better off staying in Africa than immigrating to European countries.

And if I'm wrong, I apologize, but I'm pretty sure that you've defended Israeli colonialism/apartheid as well.

[FrankRep]

A very incomplete article where it appears he started with a conclusion and left out a lot of pertinent information on pre-apartheid days. It's just one more, very important part, to give a complete view. I don't care about political correctness-

And if I'm wrong, I apologize, but I'm pretty sure that you've defended Israeli colonialism/apartheid as well.

Another Article.


Disclaimer! - BBC News is NOT pro-apartheid/colonialism, nor am I.




Africa 'better in colonial times' (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3679706.stm)


BBC News
22 September, 2004



The average African is worse off now than during the colonial era, the brother of South Africa's President Thabo Mbeki has said.

Moeletsi Mbeki accused African elites of stealing money and keeping it abroad, while colonial rulers planted crops and built roads and cities.

"This is one of the depressing features of Africa," he said.

Moeletsi Mbeki also said that South Africa should support democracy in Zimbabwe, and not tolerate violence.

President Thabo Mbeki has been accused of being too soft on his Zimbabwean counterpart Robert Mugabe.

South Africa should "not tolerate use of violence, torture and rigging of elections and, if necessary, we should support the opposition," Moeletsi Mbeki said.

[amy31416]

Another Article.


Disclaimer! - BBC News is NOT pro-apartheid/colonialism, nor am I.




Africa 'better in colonial times' (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3679706.stm)


BBC News
22 September, 2004



The average African is worse off now than during the colonial era, the brother of South Africa's President Thabo Mbeki has said.

Moeletsi Mbeki accused African elites of stealing money and keeping it abroad, while colonial rulers planted crops and built roads and cities.

"This is one of the depressing features of Africa," he said.

Moeletsi Mbeki also said that South Africa should support democracy in Zimbabwe, and not tolerate violence.

President Thabo Mbeki has been accused of being too soft on his Zimbabwean counterpart Robert Mugabe.

South Africa should "not tolerate use of violence, torture and rigging of elections and, if necessary, we should support the opposition," Moeletsi Mbeki said.

I swear Frank, you're like a robot with a faulty circuit.

[FrankRep]

I swear Frank, you're like a robot with a faulty circuit.

Because I posted a BBC news article?

[amy31416]

Because I posted a BBC news article?

Yes Frank. That's exactly why you seem like a robot with a faulty circuit.

(That was sarcasm, I generally don't feel the need to point it out though.)

[Christian Liberty]

It is unreal that you would post such a thing. According to FrankRep, we must pay to be free. In FrankRep's world we are slaves. Washington ordered the revenuers to enforce internal revenue practices and people died. He was responsible for those deaths. We're supposed to be forgiving according to FrankRep because Washington then pardoned "most" of the rebels. FrankRep wants just a few people to be killed by the state. Mandela surely could have had more people killed but he might have offended FrankRep.

I don't agree with Washington's actions there, but as a whole I still view Washington as a heroic freedom fighter because of the Revolutionary War. He was then offered a throne, but he, like few men in history, had the willpower to turn it down. As far as I know, the Whiskey Rebellion was the only major abuse of power under Washington, and honestly, that was pretty tame compared to anything that goes on today (Look at the link FrankRep posted.) I've frequently claimed that if we could bring Washington and Jefferson back to life they'd be revolting against our government as it is far more oppressive than the Redcoats, and its true.

Was Washington a perfect man? No. Is taxation ever OK? No. So did Washington do wrong there? Yes.

But I can't have quite the level of "zero tolerance" that you have. I wish I could, but I can't. Every single person I know in real life supports a bigger government than what Washington supported. For that matter, I think Ron Paul does too. I seriously doubt Washington would stare in the face of unconstitutional social security and "phase them out gently". I don't even think he'd run for President. I think he'd revolt.

Also, keep in mind that tax rates were still in the single digits at this point. Not that even that is "OK" but its not even close to the monster we have now. Pretty much any non-ancap would be OK with what Washington did, I think.

On the other hand...

Absolute nonsense.

Wars are expensive and the U.S. government needed to pay off the Revolutionary War Debt.

Nothing is Free, not even Freedom.

Washington died a long time ago. His legacy in my mind is predominately positive, but not perfect.

But, what are we going to say now? Is some money collection at gunpoint ever OK? This kind of scenario shows you what taxation ultimately is, deep down. Are you OK with it? I'm not.

[NIU Students for Liberty]

Absolute nonsense.

Wars are expensive and the U.S. government needed to pay off the Revolutionary War Debt.

Nothing is Free, not even Freedom.

And not everyone supported going to war (including those who opposed the British Crown).

If paying off the debt was such a huge concern, Washington, Jefferson, and all of the other wealthy landowners who supported the war in the first place should have bared the biggest burden, not farmers who relied on whiskey as a currency.

[Ender]

Another Article.


Disclaimer! - BBC News is NOT pro-apartheid/colonialism, nor am I.




Africa 'better in colonial times' (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3679706.stm)


BBC News
22 September, 2004



The average African is worse off now than during the colonial era, the brother of South Africa's President Thabo Mbeki has said.

Moeletsi Mbeki accused African elites of stealing money and keeping it abroad, while colonial rulers planted crops and built roads and cities.

"This is one of the depressing features of Africa," he said.

Moeletsi Mbeki also said that South Africa should support democracy in Zimbabwe, and not tolerate violence.

President Thabo Mbeki has been accused of being too soft on his Zimbabwean counterpart Robert Mugabe.

South Africa should "not tolerate use of violence, torture and rigging of elections and, if necessary, we should support the opposition," Moeletsi Mbeki said.

Ah, yes- the white man's POV: Things were so much better when we were the criminals! Stupid savages.




Neocolonial Ritual and Servitude to the West: Gratifying the African Elites with Human Rights Awards, Grants and Prizes

By Sophia Tesfamariam, Global Research |

I am always amazed at how much time and energy is spent by those of European decent discussing “Africa’s development”. Birgit Brock-Utne, an astute European educator of Norwegian origin, wrote the following in her book[1] about those who insist on preaching to Africa about development:

“… when Europeans came to Africa toward the turn of the fifteenth century, they found a prosperous civilization and enormous wealth. Agriculture and cattle rearing, iron-work, pottery, fishery, salt-mining, gold refining and ornament making, weaving, hunting, and long-distance trading were well advanced at a time and Europe was still relatively backward…From the fifteenth century on, however, the fate of the two continents reversed….Africa stagnated for over three centuries as a direct result of slavery and colonial conquests. This part of global history, for the sake of maintaining a correct historical perspective on Africa and Europe, must always be kept in mind when looking at the contemporary African situation…The bulk of the African people fought heroically against the imposition of slavery and colonialism, though there were some Africans who collaborated with the white slave-hunters and colonialists as well…”



Rest here- quite interesting.

http://hornofafrica.de/neocolonial-ritual-and-servitude-to-the-west-gratifying-the-african-elites-with-human-rights-awards-grants-and-prizes/

[FrankRep]

Ah, yes- the white man's POV: Things were so much better when we were the criminals! Stupid savages.


Moeletsi Mbeki is black.

[Ender]

Moeletsi Mbeki is black.

BBC is not, nor are any of the African elites supporting Mbeki.

[FrankRep]

BBC is not, nor are any of the African elites supporting Mbeki.

So the BBC now represents the "white man's POV" yet using Moeletsi Mbeki, who is black, as the main part of the story?

[Cap]

Why not focus on the most dangerous useful idiots? Those that believe in the republic of the 50 states of America. When it comes to killing, theft, and destruction, South Africa is a piker compared to the USA.

I understand you want to tear down Mandela during his funeral and I don't really care about it or him. He did nothing that really affected me or you. If you start a topic about useful idiots in 2013, it should be about those that support the most blood thirsty regime on the planet. And those useful idiots would be; Americans.

Men like Clinton, Bush, and Obama have had more people robbed and killed then Mandela ever considered. Cue the hail to the chief. Please stand for the pledge. Place your hand over your heart.This message brought to you by our sponsors, Ron Paul Forum's member fr33. I approve of this message.

[jmdrake]

It is unreal that you would post such a thing. According to FrankRep, we must pay to be free. In FrankRep's world we are slaves. Washington ordered the revenuers to enforce internal revenue practices and people died. He was responsible for those deaths. We're supposed to be forgiving according to FrankRep because Washington then pardoned "most" of the rebels. FrankRep wants just a few people to be killed by the state. Mandela surely could have had more people killed but he might have offended FrankRep.

+rep!!!!!

[FrankRep]

This message brought to you by our sponsors, Ron Paul Forum's member fr33. I approve of this message.


Blame Charles Burris of LewRockwell.com I guess.

Useful Idiots 2013
http://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/12/charles-burris/useful-idiots-2/

[jmdrake]

Absolute nonsense.

Wars are expensive and the U.S. government needed to pay off the Revolutionary War Debt.

Nothing is Free, not even Freedom.

As so to be free from British taxation impose U.S. taxation. Brilliant.

[FrankRep]

As so to be free from British taxation impose U.S. taxation. Brilliant.

To pay off the Revolutionary War Debt. Fighting the British wasn't free.

[jmdrake]

To pay off the Revolutionary War Debt. Fighting the British wasn't free.

Of course not. And the British said fighting the French and Indians (which Washington fought in as well) wasn't free. Your point?

[Christian Liberty]

Of course not. And the British said fighting the French and Indians (which Washington fought in as well) wasn't free. Your point?

That theft isn't wrong if you're in debt, I guess :rolleyes:

(Disclaimer: I respect Washington in spite of, not because of, that choice.)

[jmdrake]

That theft isn't wrong if you're in debt, I guess :rolleyes:

(Disclaimer: I respect Washington in spite of, not because of, that choice.)

I agree. Like you said, Washington turned down the chance to be dictator for life. So did Nelson Mandela

[Christian Liberty]

I agree. Like you said, Washington turned down the chance to be dictator for life. So did Nelson Mandela
I don't know much about Mandella, I'm not going to comment on him for that reason. I don't really care either, he hasn't affected my life here.

But frankly, almost everyone I associate IRL supports more government tyranny than Washington ever did. I suspect the same is true for most of you guys here.

[FrankRep]

I don't know much about Mandella, I'm not going to comment on him for that reason. I don't really care either, he hasn't affected my life here.

But frankly, almost everyone I associate IRL supports more government tyranny than Washington ever did. I suspect the same is true for most of you guys here.

I support Ron Paul's view of a Constitutional Republic and I lean libertarian-conservative.

[Shane Harris]

My problem isn't as much with Mandela as it is with the media portrayal of him. They ignore all of his terrorist acts, and act like he was some walking jesus. I just don't like being deceived and having a narrative pushed on me.

this

[Henry Rogue]

That there is cost in defending one's freedom does not mean that freedom is not free. Freedom is man's natural state. Man can only be rightly "ruled" by God or sovereigns man trusts for this-who also are beholden to God.
Governments don't fight for individuals' freedom. That's total BS, at beat you can claim they fight for your safety, but more likely they fight to maintain control. It's two Shepherds fighting over who gets to own the sheep and pasture.

[heavenlyboy34]

Governments don't fight for individuals' freedom. That's total BS, at beat you can claim they fight for your safety, but more likely they fight to maintain control. It's two Shepherds fighting over who gets to own the sheep and pasture.
In practice, you're right. But in theory, it is possible. :o

[PRB]

Another Article.


Disclaimer! - BBC News is NOT pro-apartheid/colonialism, nor am I.






I'm not pro-colonialism, but Africans were better off under it...

[Ender]

I like Margolis. He usually nails it on the head- and he has been there, done that.


Mandela – Terrorist or ‘Black Jesus?’
By Eric Margolis
December 16, 2013

The “Black Jesus.” That’s what the late Nelson Mandela was called by many South Africans, who greeted his death last week with intense national mourning.

Mandela was a great man, and great leader. But he was no Jesus. I rather call him “mahatma,” meaning great spirit, the Hindu title conferred upon Gandhi.

Like Gandhi, Mandela, at least in his later years, was a combination of saintly, non-violent national leader and wily politician.

Having covered South Africa, and the bush wars in Southwest Africa (today’s Namibia), and Angola during the 1980’s, let me add my thoughts about Nelson Mandela.

I came very close to securing an interview with him while he was still in prison, but it was cancelled on the last minute. White-ruled South Africa was in a state of intense, nervous transition at the time - what the French call fin du regime - as the old apartheid order crumbled.

Contrary to popular belief, Mandela did not overthrow the apartheid system. A combination of fierce pressure and much violence from the African National Congress and Communist Party, foreign economic and military sanctions, and the fear of invasion by Cuban and East Bloc troops from Angola finally did in the white regime.

South Africa’s Boers, whose ancestors came to the Cape from Flanders in the 1600’s, wanted to fight on. But the nation’s English-speaking Anglos did not; many fled. Ironically, South Africa’s Boers had been there longer than the other two major tribes, the Xhosa and Zulu, both of whose ancestors had emigrated from the north. The Zulu had wiped out other local tribes in the notorious Mfakane massacres.

During the 1980’s, Mandela was both number two at the African National Congress and a senior leader of its ally, the Communist Party. Mandela also headed up the Umkhonto we Sizwe or Spear of the Nation, the violent fighting arm of the ANC. He was a hereditary prince of the Xhosa people.

In those days, the US and Britain branded Mandela and the ANC as “terrorists.” White civilians were killed, restaurants and bars bombed. I joined a special South African unit up on the Limpopo River trying to protect isolated, elderly white farmers from being murdered by gangs of ANC gunmen.

In fact, most of the ANC’s white victims were civilians. Hundreds of blacks accused of collaboration with the government were “necklaced” (burned to death by having gasoline-filled tires put around their necks). It was your typically brutal, dirty revolutionary war, the kind I’d covered in Africa, Asia and Latin America.

Amazingly, Mandela remained on the notorious US terrorist black list until 2008. Today, America’s hard right and neoconservatives still call Mandela a terrorist for having called Israel a “colonialist apartheid state” and human rights violator. Mandela hailed Libya’s Muammar Khadaffi and Palestine’s Yasser Arafat as liberators.

As a result, Israel’s current rightwing prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, boycotted Mandela’s funeral and unleashed his North American attack dogs on the memory of the great South African. Israel and apartheid South Africa were very close allies. Israel supplied Pretoria arms, US political support, and nuclear technology.

Remember others who brought peace to South Africa: the last white leader, F.W. deKlerk, a man of wisdom who read the writing on the wall. Zulu Chief Mangusutu Buthelezi who, with Mandela, prevented a Zulu-Xhosa conflict, and Foreign Minister Pik Botha. Their combined efforts resulted in a smooth transition to majority rule and allowed the whites to retreat with honor.

Most revolutions rarely produce happy outcomes. The ANC became all-powerful, a one-party government riddled with corruption and malfeasance. Crime has run rampant in post apartheid South Africa.

Many white farmers have been terrorized off their land by black gangs; white emigration continues to be high. Under white rule, South Africa accounted for almost half of Africa’s economic output; today, its economy is sagging, driven by the fall in gold and mineral prices.

The current ANC leader, President Jacob Zuma, was roundly booed at Mandela’s funeral. Which proves my dictum that every people has the basic right to be misruled by their own kind.

Compared to today’s world leaders, Mandela does looks like a saint. He was wise enough to serve only one term before failing health and grubby politics tarnished his renown. His memory will shine on.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2013/12/eric-margolis/terrorist-or-saint/