Obama lied to nation on Syria gas attacks?

[J_White]

It seems there are no lessons learnt from the past.
Obama or his minions might have cherry picked intelligence bits to assert that Assad had used the chem weapons.

http://www.thewire.com/national/2013/12/seymour-hersh-alleges-obama-administration-lied-syria-gas-attack/355899/


Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh has dropped yet another bombshell allegation: President Obama wasn't honest with the American people when he blamed Syrian President Bashar al-Assad for a sarin-gas attack in that killed hundreds of civilians.
A former senior intelligence official told me that the Obama administration had altered the available information – in terms of its timing and sequence – to enable the president and his advisers to make intelligence retrieved days after the attack look as if it had been picked up and analysed in real time, as the attack was happening. The distortion, he said, reminded him of the 1964 Gulf of Tonkin incident,...
The administration buried intelligence on the fundamentalist group/rebel group al-Nusra.
"The cherry-picking was similar to the process used to justify the Iraq war."

I wish i was surprised.
but it will be interesting to see liberals rabidly defend Obama on this one too. :cool:

[alucard13mm]

I thought it is treason to help Al Qaeda? Isn't lying to convince the American people to go bomb Assad, assisting Al Qaeda? So shouldn't Obama be charged with treason or at least be publically shamed for being incompetence if he feigns that he didn't know he was cherry picking.

[enhanced_deficit]

Totally shocked.


A former senior intelligence official told me that the Obama administration had altered the available information – in terms of its timing and sequence – to enable the president and his advisers to make intelligence retrieved days after the attack look as if it had been picked up and analysed in real time, as the attack was happening. The distortion, he said, reminded him of the 1964 Gulf of Tonkin incident,...

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[AngryCanadian]

I am not surprised. John McCain should be arrested for lying while he made an oath to the constitution.
And Charged with Terrorism charges. He and Among others that went in Syria to meet with the terrorists that are being aided by the Arab Gulf Regime states.

Good post thread op.

[fr33]

I fear the day when another neocon is in the white house. Both democrats and republicans stopped the potential war on Syria but if another Bush were in charge such an action would have had enough approval from the dumb-dumbs that it would have happened. Republican opposition to tyranny only exists when people like Obama or Clinton are in charge.

[AngryCanadian]

I fear the day when another neocon is in the white house. Both democrats and republicans stopped the potential war on Syria but if another Bush were in charge such an action would have had enough approval from the dumb-dumbs that it would have happened.


I am very much doubtful on that part. Knowing that half of the world turned its back on the American government another neocon declaring war agaisnt Syria or Iran will not be a very wise decision.

Knowingly that we know whom are the actual Syrian Opposition and whom there backers are which are the Saudi's regime friends of the NeoCon.

[messana]

Obama sure likes to dismiss the honest people in the intelligence community in favor of those who want to spy on us and start wars.

[FrankRep]

http://www.thenewamerican.com/media/k2/items/cache/48063fc4ff45d0b69073d76573079df9_M.jpg (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/asia/item/14929-evidence-shows-syrian-rebels-behind-chemical-attack)



Current data seem to suggest that it was not Syrian government forces behind the recent chemical attack in Aleppo, but rebel forces linked with al-Qaeda.


Reports: U.S.-led Rebels Sent into Syria Before Chemical Attack (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/asia/item/16402-reports-us-led-rebels-sent-into-syria-before-chemical-attack)

Evidence Shows Syrian Rebels Behind Chemical Attack (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/asia/item/14929-evidence-shows-syrian-rebels-behind-chemical-attack)

UN Investigator Claims Evidence Syrian Rebels Used Sarin Gas (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/asia/item/15308-un-investigator-claims-evidence-syrian-rebels-used-sarin-gas)

Obama Unsure Who's Behind Syrian Chemical Attacks — or Is He? (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/foreign-policy/item/15278-obama-unsure-who-s-behind-syrian-chemical-attacks-or-is-he)

[AngryCanadian]

Obama sure likes to dismiss the honest people in the intelligence community in favor of those who want to spy on us and start wars.
Following the same paths as a neocon he is.

[susano]

I am not surprised. John McCain should be arrested for lying while he made an oath to the constitution.
And Charged with Terrorism charges. He and Among others that went in Syria to meet with the terrorists that are being aided by the Arab Gulf Regime states.

Good post thread op.

Yep. He and Lindsay Graham also went to Cairo, trying to get a Muslim Brotherhood criminal out of prison (they failed). Of course, Egypt is on to the US.

I followed Syria very closely until just after Putin outfoxed the US (thank GOD) and WWIII got called off. I have a huge file on it. From the first accusations of Assad using CW I knew it was a set up. The first accusation was in December of 2012, then another in the early spring of 2013. There was a mountain of evidence that al Nusra was responsible for any CW use, including the fact that they mishandled some and killed a bunch of their own.

Were there ever more obvious liars than Kerry and the State Dept gang? As accomplished a liar as Obama is, he always looked like a dope when he tried to float that bullshit. None of them were even remotely believable. This is also one of the reasons that I don't trust them on this alleged deal with Iran. One of the main reasons for taking out Syria is because of their relationship with Iran.

I'm glad to see Hersh is talking about this. He may convince some of the establishment idiots on this.

Sadly, Syria remains in violent turmoil.

[HOLLYWOOD]

General Abdel Fattah al-Sisi is CIA/Mi5 trained buckethead... years, even decades are spent grooming the scripting for the next installed puppet leaders.

[susano]

General Abdel Fattah al-Sisi is CIA/Mi5 trained buckethead... years, even decades are spent grooming the scripting for the next installed puppet leaders.

Other than al Sisi going to school in the US, can you provide any info he's a western intelligence proxy? I ask not because I don't know these people exist but because he has flatly rejected the US agenda in Egypt, especially it's relationship with the Brotherhood. Same for foreign NGOs, as they are tools of the intel agencies and he knows it.

[Mani]

It seems there are no lessons learnt from the past.
Obama or his minions might have cherry picked intelligence bits to assert that Assad had used the chem weapons.

http://www.thewire.com/national/2013/12/seymour-hersh-alleges-obama-administration-lied-syria-gas-attack/355899/

"The cherry-picking was similar to the process used to justify the Iraq war."

I wish i was surprised.
but it will be interesting to see liberals rabidly defend Obama on this one too. :cool:


I thought it showed pretty clear, that the Presidents are puppets to the Military Industrial Complex. Both playing the same game. Bush did it in his day, Obama using the same exact recipe the second time around. No matter what Obama said during his peace campaign, I felt it was SO OBVIOUS, he's the same puppet Bush is, just playing the same game. Makes no damn difference who's in charge, the Republican or the Democrat. They are just following their orders.

I find it annoying reading comments when people just rip OBAMA on these things. He's doing the same song and dance Bush did. They are the fucking same. When will the public wake up and realize these are not Republican VS Democrat issues, they are one in the same, it's all a game to keep the people divided and distracted, so the people don't UNITE and realize what the fuck is really going on.

In fact, Kerry's and Obama's war drums were so over the top, I felt embarrassed for them at how ridiculous and fake they sounded. How stupidly obvious it was they were following the same act Bush and Cheney did 12 years ago. Did they think Americans and the rest of the world were so fucking stupid they would fall for that same act again!?!

Have the puppet masters become so bold to think Americans are that stupid...or don't care?

[susano]

Party hacks like the Freepers focus on Obama because he's a Democrat. Other people (not partisan) focus on Obama because he's the current president. I agree that his foreign policy goals are the same as Bush because the empire plan has been in place for a long time and they both agree with it. I don't see these guys as puppets. They are fully on board with the NWO agenda. Obama, however, seems to the most richly rewarded for his efforts. Moochelle's mega millions in vacations are all on the public purse. Same for their non stop lavish celebrity parties. Their excess is flabbergasting. Oh, and there was also his ridiculous Nobel Peace Prize. He's their golden boy.

[Contumacious]

It seems there are no lessons learnt from the past.
Obama or his minions might have cherry picked intelligence bits to assert that Assad had used the chem weapons.

http://www.thewire.com/national/2013/12/seymour-hersh-alleges-obama-administration-lied-syria-gas-attack/355899/



I wish i was surprised.
but it will be interesting to see liberals rabidly defend Obama on this one too. :cool:

Gee, I have been providing EVIDENCE to that effect for over a year.

The Mossad wants to neutralize Syria so that Israel can attack Iran without fearing that Assad will retaliate.

Saudi Arabia wants Syria to be ruled by Sunnis .

So two powerful allies of the US warfare state were willing to MANUFACTURE evidence.


Syrian Opposition’s Amazing CIA Credentials (http://www.lewrockwell.com/lrc-blog/syrian-oppositions-amazing-cia-credentials/)


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[Todd]

bump. Wah? The guy who's exposed 2 of the biggest government lies cover ups and secret doings over the last 45 years and this story has one page of posts on RPF? Jeesh....

[Brian4Liberty]

bump. Wah? The guy who's exposed 2 of the biggest government lies cover ups and secret doings over the last 45 years and this story has one page of posts on RPF? Jeesh....

When everyone is agreement, it's hard to have long threads full of personal insults. ;)

[devil21]

bump. Wah? The guy who's exposed 2 of the biggest government lies cover ups and secret doings over the last 45 years and this story has one page of posts on RPF? Jeesh....

Probably because we already knew the gas attacks were rebel handiwork.

[angelatc]

Probably because we already knew the gas attacks were rebel handiwork.


This.

And anytime someone needs to identify like this,
"Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Seymour Hersh" I see a red flag. It's like seeing "Nobel Prize-winning Paul Krugman" before an economic theory, or a chain of initials after someone's name right before they start spouting off about something wacky over in Health Freedom.

[Miss Annie]

This bears repeating....... Obama is a Muslim Brotherhood plant. His agenda, all of his tricks, his associations, alliances, money trail and acts in the middle east follow their agenda. It has been proven that his brother is raising money to support the Muslim Brotherhood and is in charge of their finances.
Their agenda is to totally destabilize the Middle East to pave the way for the Caliphate. Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Tunisia, and parts of North Africa have been great successes. Syria and Egypt are putting up an unwelcome fight.

[Contumacious]

This bears repeating....... Obama is a Muslim Brotherhood plant. His agenda, all of his tricks, his associations, alliances, money trail and acts in the middle east follow their agenda. It has been proven that his brother is raising money to support the Muslim Brotherhood and is in charge of their finances.
Their agenda is to totally destabilize the Middle East to pave the way for the Caliphate. Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Tunisia, and parts of North Africa have been great successes. Syria and Egypt are putting up an unwelcome fight.

HUH?

WTF.

How is the weather in TelAviv?

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[Miss Annie]

HUH?

WTF.

How is the weather in TelAviv?

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Dude, open your eyes, just because something says Muslim does not mean it is Anti Muslim. There are even bad liberty type (named) associations.

[enhanced_deficit]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/05/03/article-2318993-199BBB3D000005DC-170_634x446.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=ao7WWodWaslQSM&tbnid=YSzQk3rnv6F1-M:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2Fnews%2Farti cle-2318993%2FBritain-set-end-arms-embargo-Syrian-rebels-Assad-massacres-100-men-women-children-knives-guns.html&ei=23CmUpyLHcrVkQeF04HQCw&bvm=bv.57799294,bs.1,d.eW0&psig=AFQjCNH8JlkTwdbPSzx7qBg4AWd64E2eQA&ust=1386725515858652)

Just stumbled on this, they are making fun of our leader.

[Miss Annie]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/05/03/article-2318993-199BBB3D000005DC-170_634x446.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=ao7WWodWaslQSM&tbnid=YSzQk3rnv6F1-M:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2Fnews%2Farti cle-2318993%2FBritain-set-end-arms-embargo-Syrian-rebels-Assad-massacres-100-men-women-children-knives-guns.html&ei=23CmUpyLHcrVkQeF04HQCw&bvm=bv.57799294,bs.1,d.eW0&psig=AFQjCNH8JlkTwdbPSzx7qBg4AWd64E2eQA&ust=1386725515858652)

Just stumbled on this, they are making fun of our leader.

Can you blame them? We have been arming the insurgency against their sovereign nation!! We should just be thanking our lucky stars that Assad is humane enough to realize that its the leaders and not the people and is not bombing the hell out of us!!

[J_White]

....
I followed Syria very closely until just after Putin outfoxed the US (thank GOD) and WWIII got called off. I have a huge file on it. From the first accusations of Assad using CW I knew it was a set up. The first accusation was in December of 2012, then another in the early spring of 2013. There was a mountain of evidence that al Nusra was responsible for any CW use, including the fact that they mishandled some and killed a bunch of their own.


yep, once there was more evidence that "rebels" did it, nothing more was heard of the attacks - both of them.
now that the rebels have crossed the fancy "red line" are they going to stop supporting them ?! i don't think so.

[vita3]

Has ANY Congressmen/Senator spoke out about going after Al-Queda fighters flowing into Syria?

[vita3]

Has ANY Congressmen/Senator/columnist or thinktank spoke out about going after Al-Queda fighters flowing into Syria?

[devil21]

Has ANY Congressmen/Senator/columnist or thinktank spoke out about going after Al-Queda fighters flowing into Syria?

What do you mean by "going after"? Drone strikes?

[paulbot24]

Obama lied to us?

"I am Jack's total lack of surprise." (quote from the movie Fight Club. If you own a copy of it, it will most likely be called "pre-ban" in a few years)

[Ender]

This bears repeating....... Obama is a Muslim Brotherhood plant. His agenda, all of his tricks, his associations, alliances, money trail and acts in the middle east follow their agenda. It has been proven that his brother is raising money to support the Muslim Brotherhood and is in charge of their finances.
Their agenda is to totally destabilize the Middle East to pave the way for the Caliphate. Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Tunisia, and parts of North Africa have been great successes. Syria and Egypt are putting up an unwelcome fight.

Obama is a neocon with a progressive talk sheet. He is following in the footsteps of W and all he has done was set in place before he entered office.

The Brotherhood has been working with the US since Eisenhower.

[anaconda]

There seemed ample evidence in the foreign media that the Saudis gave the weapons to the insurrection and it was they who used them. Not Assad. Furthermore, Assad strikes me as far more believable than the ridiculous talking points that Barry Soetoro's handlers keep making him read to the public. Plus the whole means, motive, and opportunity scenario points away from the Syrian government and directly to the western imperialist apparatus.

[ClydeCoulter]

Can you blame them? We have been arming the insurgency against their sovereign nation!! We should just be thanking our lucky stars that Assad is humane enough to realize that its the leaders and not the people and is not bombing the hell out of us!!

Except, that picture was anti-Assad regime saying that Obama is smelling his own ass and can't see that Assad is killing people with knives and gas. If you "right-click" on the picture then "open link in new window" it will take you to an old article about it.

Otherwise, yes, I agree with your sentiment.

[vita3]

What do you mean by "going after"? Drone strikes?

Possibly a drone strike..or just forcing Saudi Arabia to stop sendIng them in. Details are very debatable.. Just haven't heard anyone say they want the US to stop or directly go against these terrorists.

[devil21]

Possibly a drone strike..or just forcing Saudi Arabia to stop sendIng them in. Details are very debatable.. Just haven't heard anyone say they want the US to stop or directly go against these terrorists.

Not sure if this is what you mean but Rand has already spoken out against it several times from various angles.

http://www.religiousfreedomcoalition.org/2013/06/03/rand-paul-slams-mccains-support-of-al-qaeda-in-syria/

[vita3]

Thanks devil21.

Rands speech makes sense but he is asking people to be cautious rather than trying to STOP the jihadist movement.