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FrankRep
12-07-2013, 10:38 AM
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The Department of Homeland Security continues gobbling up local police departments through millions of dollars in grants.


Why Is Homeland Security Taking Control of Local Police? (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/item/17110-why-is-homeland-security-taking-control-of-local-police)


The New American (http://www.thenewamerican.com/)
07 December 2013


A key plank of the Obama administration platform seems to be the conversion of the local police into a fifth branch of the U.S. armed forces.

The means of accomplishing this goal is the doling out of millions of dollars from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to police departments and sheriffs' offices around the country.

Cash-strapped local law enforcement gobbles up the federal “grants,” purchasing military-grade vehicles, weapons, ammunition, and surveillance technology that would make the National Security Agency (NSA) proud.

For a list of the largesse and an inventory of the incredible equipment it finances, we rely on local media reports.

The Journal News from Albany, New York reports (http://polhudson.lohudblogs.com/2013/12/03/80m-homeland-security-grants-given-municipalities/):



To help local emergency preparedness capability, local governments and police departments across the state have received $80 million in grants, Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced today.

The grants help support and expand local government and police departments’ ability to respond and react to emergencies. The majority of funding is distributed through the $75 million annual state Division of Homeland Security and Emergency Services Statewide Interoperable Communications Grant, Gannett’s Ashley Hupfl reports.


According to the story, the DHS money will go to fund “Technical Rescue and Urban Search and Rescue, Bomb Squad Initiative, the Explosive Detection Canine Team Grant Program, and the Critical Infrastructure Grant Program.”

In San Juan, Texas, DHS money is buying the police department an intelligence-gathering robot. Local newspaper, The Monitor, reports (http://www.themonitor.com/news/local/article_d6698d08-5c84-11e3-96b8-001a4bcf6878.html):



The San Juan Police Department has added a robot named Raven to its crime fighting arsenal.

Raven was purchased in early November at a cost of $27,000, paid for with a grant from the Department of Homeland Security, said San Juan police Chief Juan Gonzalez.

“Raven is a great asset to our department,” Gonzalez said, referring to the black, shin-high, tank-like robot designed to enter hard-to-reach places. “He is equipped with a set of cameras, infrared cameras and audio equipment that gives us eyes and ears in difficult situations such as a hostage situation.”

While Raven has already been used to gather intelligence in a drug raid last month, San Juan police got a chance to fully interact with the robot in the days before Thanksgiving when the department ran a series of exercises to test the capabilities of Raven and of the Law Enforcement Emergency Regional Response Team, or LEERRT — the regional SWAT team based in San Juan.


The San Juan Police Department’s website (http://www.sanjuanpolice.com/1.7/) looks more like an advertisement for an elite military unit rather than for the cops from a town of less than 36,000 (http://www.city-data.com/city/San-Juan-Texas.html).

Apart from armored personnel vehicles and war-worthy weapons, perhaps the most popular item purchased with DHS grant money is facial recognition software.

San Diego State University’s Police Department is the proud new owner of this powerful surveillance technology. The school’s newspaper The Daily Aztec reports (http://www.thedailyaztec.com/2013/12/sdsupd-facial-recognition/):



Facial recognition technology, previously limited to soldiers in Afghanistan and FBI agents, is now being used by civilian law enforcement agencies throughout San Diego County. According to documents acquired by the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a nonprofit focused on digital and privacy rights, the San Diego State Police Department is one of the agencies using this new technology. SDSUPD currently only has one officer in the program. However, he is the most active officer in the county, with more than 200 photos analyzed from January to October of this year.

The program to bring facial recognition technology to San Diego law enforcement is called TACIDS—short for Tactical Identification System. It’s a pilot program from the San Diego Association of Governments developed and purchased using grants from the federal government’s National Institute of Justice and the Department of Homeland Security, according to The Center for Investigative Reporting.

TACIDS works through Samsung tablets and Android smartphones that were distributed to specific officers (SDSUPD uses a tablet). Most of the 25 participating agencies were given one or two devices, although the sheriff’s department received the most with 64, while the San Diego and National City police departments received 27 and 26 respectively.


Notice that the story practically brags about the fact that a college police department is going to have gear more appropriate in the battlefield than on campus.

Maybe the author of the piece in The Daily Aztec is saying more than he meant to.

Is there a chance that the Department of Homeland Security is funneling all this money and materiel to local police to prepare them to quell popular uprisings? One expert thinks that may be the case.

Jim Fitzgerald worked for eight years as a vice and narcotics squad detective in Newark, New Jersey, before joining the staff of The John Birch Society. He is point man for the conservative organization’s “Support Your Local Police (http://www.jbs.org/issues-pages/support-your-local-police)” initiative.

In an interview with The New American, Fitzgerald said there is “virtually no use” for the military-grade equipment being bought by local law enforcement with DHS grant money.

“The only reason to have this equipment is to use it,” Fitzgerald said, and it is likely it would be used against local citizens who have risen up and created some sort of civil disorder.

DHS, Fitzgerald believes, may be anticipating these riots and looks to them as a justification for the militarization of the police.

“They [DHS grants] are not good, not healthy, and not constitutional,” Fitzgerald adds.

The question that remains is how long citizens will accept the arming of their local police until they rise up in resistance and, as DHS probably has orchestrated, are targets of all the tactical weaponry, ammunition, and monitoring technology.

From license plate readers to facial recognition software, from surveillance cameras to cellphone signal trackers, the Department of Homeland Security is providing police with all the gadgets, hardware, and software necessary to keep everybody under surveillance, without the targeted public ever realizing that it’s the Capitol, not the cops, that are behind the monitoring.

Local police who participate in the program will have access to a shockingly broad array of personal information of citizens. Facial recognition technology, license plate readers, and stop light camera video feeds will all be funneled to a Regional Operations Intelligence Center where FBI, police, and DHS agents can watch the live feeds.

In fairness, most police chiefs and sheriffs are unaware of any larger, more sinister DHS program to foment riot as a pretext for quelling it.

But whether these lawmen realize it or not, when they accept federal gadgets and grants, they are surrendering their independence and their citizens’ civil liberties.

Perhaps the most important argument against the federalization of local police departments is that there is not a single syllable of the Constitution authorizing any such federal participation in law enforcement. If the power isn’t granted to the federal government in the Constitution, then authority over that area remains with the states and the people as described in the Tenth Amendment.

Self-serving bureaucrats inside the U.S. government are tirelessly trying to obliterate local police forces answerable to local citizens and promote the consolidation movement as a step toward federalization of law enforcement. These proponents of regional and national police forces desire nothing less than the eradication of all local police departments and sheriffs’ offices, the surrender of state and municipal sovereignty, and the conversion of police into federal security agents sworn not to protect and to serve their neighbors, but to protect the prerogatives of politicians.


Related articles:

Obama Flooding U.S. Streets With “Weapons of War” for Local Police (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/constitution/item/17056-obama-flooding-u-s-streets-with-weapons-of-war-for-local-police)

Local Police Increasingly Subordinate to Homeland Security Department (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/17023-from-coast-to-coast-dhs-is-taking-over-local-police)

DHS Creates New Fusion Centers, Taking Control of Local Police (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/item/16942-dhs-creates-new-fusion-centers-taking-control-of-local-police)

tod evans
12-07-2013, 10:43 AM
Homeland Security is the very worst cartel that a local sheriff can get in bed with.

FrankRep
12-07-2013, 10:46 AM
Homeland Security is the very worse cartel that a local sheriff can get in bed with.

The goal is to Federalize the Police.

if you think the local police are bad now, just wait until the Federal Government is in control of them.

Anti Federalist
12-07-2013, 11:01 AM
The goal is to Federalize the Police.

if you think the local police are bad now, just wait until the Federal Government is in control of them.

They already are.

Where do think the CFC training I have been hollering about for years now, came from.

The result is that people and pets are getting blown away more frequently.

The desired result.

pcosmar
12-07-2013, 11:06 AM
Why Is Homeland Security Taking Control of Local Police?

If you have to ask,,,


You have not been paying attention.

enhanced_deficit
12-07-2013, 11:13 AM
It is natural outcome since majority of locals had supported Iraqi Freedom and tax payers still fund Freedom for Palestinians.

Freedom has a way of seeping into all directions:

http://www.sportsauthorityfieldatmilehigh.com/images/default-source/stadium-information/bag-policy-poster-for-web.gif?sfvrsn=0 (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=dKDHl9hMMy5ZVM&tbnid=_QXPg8YcMuHHeM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sportsauthorityfieldatmilehig h.com%2Fstadium-information%2Fnfl-bag-policy&ei=mVijUu6eOIftkQfbv4DYBQ&bvm=bv.57752919,d.eW0&psig=AFQjCNGfVCJKLQVOqT_HH4SmkCIW8fhdxQ&ust=1386523153597824)http://kccheckpoint.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/NFL-x-large.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=taL7UmECcvdcBM&tbnid=_xXT8VCTXCAhVM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fkccheckpoint.com%2F2011%2F09%2F16 %2Fdhs-checkpoints-now-at-nfl-stadiums-joe-six-pack-is-now-a-suspected-terrorist%2F&ei=9lijUsLyEISqkQe4sYC4Cg&bvm=bv.57752919,d.eW0&psig=AFQjCNFaBwj7tvU1wBopL2HK8TlGU9Wc0g&ust=1386523239151183)
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acptulsa
12-07-2013, 11:17 AM
If you have to ask,,,


You have not been paying attention.

I mean...

How obvious does it have to be? Erosion of local control has been the result of inflated federal taxes and federal budgets for decades and decades and decades. If local people can no longer afford to provide for their own local security, they have no security at all. They're reduced to going to the fedgov, doffing their caps and saying (in their best David Copperfield voice) 'please, sir, may I have some more?' That isn't representative democracy. That is tyranny.

As for the Army Surplus Crap, in lieu of things local agencies can actually use, well, we've known for fifty years that the military industrial complex is in charge of the fedgov. So why would we be surprised when Washington insists these grants be misspent in this very way?

donnay
12-07-2013, 11:23 AM
Clinton started the ball rolling and the patriot act sealed the deal to federalize LEO's.

Carson
12-07-2013, 11:35 AM
"The Department of Homeland Security continues gobbling up local police departments through millions of dollars in grants."


These grants are cash that is being counterfeited to drown out the voice of the local hard earned dollar. Then on top of it they stiff us with the bill and the inflation it creates. (http://photos.imageevent.com/stokeybob/followthemoney/Supersingle640x537.jpg)


We are going to have to regain control of our government before we can regain control of the currency.

We are going to have to regain control of our currency before we can regain control of our country.



"When people fear the government, you have tyranny. When the government fears the people, you have liberty."

-Thomas Jefferson

JK/SEA
12-07-2013, 11:37 AM
That pic of Seahawk fans being frisked....mmmmkay, well, back in the 60's..when you went to say a Stones or ZEPPELLIN concert, we were all frisked for bottles, and ganja...it was self explanatory. Anyone ever have a beer bottle break on your skull?..the ganja issue was not an issue with the cops...they were after bottles and fireworks...

tod evans
12-07-2013, 11:49 AM
That pic of Seahawk fans being frisked....mmmmkay, well, back in the 60's..when you went to say a Stones or ZEPPELLIN concert, we were all frisked for bottles, and ganja...it was self explanatory. Anyone ever have a beer bottle break on your skull?..the ganja issue was not an issue with the cops...they were after bottles and fireworks...

We could bring wine-skins into concerts out here in the sticks, it wasn't until the late '70's that the cops started being idiots.

LibForestPaul
12-07-2013, 12:21 PM
It is natural outcome since majority of locals had supported Iraqi Freedom and tax payers still fund Freedom for Palestinians.

Freedom has a way of seeping into all directions:

http://www.sportsauthorityfieldatmilehigh.com/images/default-source/stadium-information/bag-policy-poster-for-web.gif?sfvrsn=0 (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=dKDHl9hMMy5ZVM&tbnid=_QXPg8YcMuHHeM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sportsauthorityfieldatmilehig h.com%2Fstadium-information%2Fnfl-bag-policy&ei=mVijUu6eOIftkQfbv4DYBQ&bvm=bv.57752919,d.eW0&psig=AFQjCNGfVCJKLQVOqT_HH4SmkCIW8fhdxQ&ust=1386523153597824)http://kccheckpoint.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/NFL-x-large.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=taL7UmECcvdcBM&tbnid=_xXT8VCTXCAhVM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fkccheckpoint.com%2F2011%2F09%2F16 %2Fdhs-checkpoints-now-at-nfl-stadiums-joe-six-pack-is-now-a-suspected-terrorist%2F&ei=9lijUsLyEISqkQe4sYC4Cg&bvm=bv.57752919,d.eW0&psig=AFQjCNFaBwj7tvU1wBopL2HK8TlGU9Wc0g&ust=1386523239151183)
http://www.fourwinds10.net/resources/uploads/images/other%20checkboints.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=taL7UmECcvdcBM&tbnid=_xXT8VCTXCAhVM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fourwinds10.net%2Fsiterun_dat a%2Fgovernment%2Fhomeland_security_patriot_act_fem a%2Fnews.php%3Fq%3D1345084315&ei=ClmjUpHJH9PokAems4G4Cg&bvm=bv.57752919,d.eW0&psig=AFQjCNFaBwj7tvU1wBopL2HK8TlGU9Wc0g&ust=1386523239151183)http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/229/files/2013/04/5699006.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=BssMMh-lJL8w4M&tbnid=0ck8B7M6-CWn0M:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Ffansided.com%2F2013%2F04%2F23%2Fn fl-to-step-up-security-for-the-nfl-draft%2F&ei=ZFmjUr62LZTGkQejmYHIBw&bvm=bv.57752919,d.eW0&psig=AFQjCNFaBwj7tvU1wBopL2HK8TlGU9Wc0g&ust=1386523239151183)

Two look like private security on private land. Nothing wrong with voluntarily submitting. Same as when I go to white castles in shadow parts with bullet proof glass everywhere. I know what I am getting into.

enhanced_deficit
12-07-2013, 12:50 PM
Two look like private security on private land. Nothing wrong with voluntarily submitting. Same as when I go to white castles in shadow parts with bullet proof glass everywhere. I know what I am getting into.

Many sports stadiums are linked to tax payers funding but besides that airplanes, shopping malls, restaurants etc are also mostly private properties. If so, you have no problem with TSA style pat downs there?
If airports can switch from private to TSA checkpoints, what makes you think same cannot/will not happen to currently private security contractors at NFL stadiums? In the name of national security, all things are possible. Besides, during super bowl all agencies involved were most likely not private.

phill4paul
12-07-2013, 01:08 PM
Why Is Homeland Security Taking Control of Local Police?

Because, f*ck you. That's why.

Anti Federalist
12-07-2013, 06:04 PM
Because, f*ck you. That's why.

/thread

susano
12-07-2013, 06:37 PM
They already are.

Where do think the CFC training I have been hollering about for years now, came from.

The result is that people and pets are getting blown away more frequently.

The desired result.


Remind me what CFC training is.

susano
12-07-2013, 06:41 PM
It is natural outcome since majority of locals had supported Iraqi Freedom and tax payers still fund Freedom for Palestinians.

Freedom has a way of seeping into all directions:

http://www.sportsauthorityfieldatmilehigh.com/images/default-source/stadium-information/bag-policy-poster-for-web.gif?sfvrsn=0 (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=dKDHl9hMMy5ZVM&tbnid=_QXPg8YcMuHHeM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sportsauthorityfieldatmilehig h.com%2Fstadium-information%2Fnfl-bag-policy&ei=mVijUu6eOIftkQfbv4DYBQ&bvm=bv.57752919,d.eW0&psig=AFQjCNGfVCJKLQVOqT_HH4SmkCIW8fhdxQ&ust=1386523153597824)http://kccheckpoint.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/NFL-x-large.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=taL7UmECcvdcBM&tbnid=_xXT8VCTXCAhVM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fkccheckpoint.com%2F2011%2F09%2F16 %2Fdhs-checkpoints-now-at-nfl-stadiums-joe-six-pack-is-now-a-suspected-terrorist%2F&ei=9lijUsLyEISqkQe4sYC4Cg&bvm=bv.57752919,d.eW0&psig=AFQjCNFaBwj7tvU1wBopL2HK8TlGU9Wc0g&ust=1386523239151183)
http://www.fourwinds10.net/resources/uploads/images/other%20checkboints.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=taL7UmECcvdcBM&tbnid=_xXT8VCTXCAhVM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fourwinds10.net%2Fsiterun_dat a%2Fgovernment%2Fhomeland_security_patriot_act_fem a%2Fnews.php%3Fq%3D1345084315&ei=ClmjUpHJH9PokAems4G4Cg&bvm=bv.57752919,d.eW0&psig=AFQjCNFaBwj7tvU1wBopL2HK8TlGU9Wc0g&ust=1386523239151183)http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/229/files/2013/04/5699006.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=BssMMh-lJL8w4M&tbnid=0ck8B7M6-CWn0M:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Ffansided.com%2F2013%2F04%2F23%2Fn fl-to-step-up-security-for-the-nfl-draft%2F&ei=ZFmjUr62LZTGkQejmYHIBw&bvm=bv.57752919,d.eW0&psig=AFQjCNFaBwj7tvU1wBopL2HK8TlGU9Wc0g&ust=1386523239151183)

Freedom for Palestinians? What's the connection to all this?

Those sports events pictures are shocking. I didn't know that was going on.

Dianne
12-07-2013, 07:26 PM
Because the only job creators since Barry Soetoro took office are Feds .. The Dictator and Chief wants every bit of what we eat, drink, law enforcement, etc. to be his guys.

That's what Islamic extremism is all about. And "tip", Barry won't pee in a cup either; but he'll send your ass to jail if you refuse.

Anti Federalist
12-07-2013, 09:44 PM
Remind me what CFC training is.

Circular Force Continuum.

Basically it is the legal right for any cop to blow you away, if you so much as twitch funny.

All he has to do is say that "he felt his safety was threatened".

Origanalist
12-07-2013, 10:45 PM
Freedom for Palestinians? What's the connection to all this?

Those sports events pictures are shocking. I didn't know that was going on.

You couldn't pay me to go to a seahawks game.

HOLLYWOOD
12-07-2013, 11:34 PM
Let's look at the grassy knoll for a sec... one of the cards the Marxist play in taking complete corrupt centralized control is through bribery and money transfers...

Harry Reid has single handedly refused to pass a budget, especially when sequestration has been invoked by the spineless silver-tongued-devils lawyers aka 'scumbag politicians that don't want cuts to their bribed peon votes'.

With Senate Majority Leader of Mob Rule, Harry Reid's masterpiece of not passing any budgets and using CRs Continuing Resolutions, has over-funded departments, especially those that lobby(fund their puppet politicians) for more taxpayer monies.

DHS' budget is discretionary, yet even with the sequestration propaganda of cuts, DHS funding is increasing to $54 Billion dollars for FY2014. This how they launder money through grants, to bribe, militarize, and/or control, state/local law enforcement agencies... continue resolution means, continuation of over-funding expenditures to the agencies and departments of control and power.

FY2014 Budgets Increasing: "Other" Civil Defense $58 Billion, DHS $54 Billion, Judicial Branch $8 Billion, "JUST-US" Dept $36 Billion,


The money keeps rolling to the POLICE/SECURITY/MILITARY STATE apparatus, yet the big con game is cutting FOOD STAMPS or MEDICARE payments? Shows you just how ignorant the American public is willing to believe these; deceivers, swindlers, and fleecers. Keep the people preoccupied, attacking one another socially and divided as the rich cocksuckers take all the money and their bribed political marionettes take all your freedoms.

NOTE: When the Military/Security/Prison Industrial Complexes of laundering money overseas dries up the profits, look at whats happening today... the compensation is turning the racketeering/profiteers/tyrants on the people domestically. Remember, this is the same government that assassinates, installs foreign dictators and tyrants, funds Apartheids, rapes/tortures people and steals from the lands of anything of value, leaves destruction and death everywhere it intervenes.

PS: I like a bit of this video below... and remember: A Trillion dollars a year for the waring imperial state, the most militarized police force, the most militarized global force. The same country that has 4.6% of the world's population and over 25% of the world's incarcerated population. YOU ARE FREE to do, what we tell you... YOU ARE FREE to do, what we tell you...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFuvLnG6rKw


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFuvLnG6rKw

phill4paul
12-08-2013, 12:03 AM
Circular Force Continuum.

Basically it is the legal right for any cop to blow you away, if you so much as twitch funny.

All he has to do is say that "he felt his safety was threatened".



I practice CFC with regards cops. Somehow I don't think time off with pay is in my future, I need a union.

enhanced_deficit
12-08-2013, 12:23 AM
Freedom for Palestinians? What's the connection to all this?

Those sports events pictures are shocking. I didn't know that was going on.

I assumed it was well known. The very birth of "Homeland Security" department took place directly as a result of 9/11 and that ties directly to US mideast engagements of which Palestinian issue is a major component.

Checking in for a flight has never been the same since 1967 (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?416092-Syria-s-uneasy-Christians-feel-both-sides-closing-in&p=5052465&viewfull=1#post5052465)
(http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&ved=0CC4QFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmondoweiss.net%2F2011%2F09%2Fron-paul-says-our-unfairness-to-palestinians-led-to-911-attacks.html&ei=eg2kUonPCojvkQfBz4HADg&usg=AFQjCNGLGUAkgdvPGTRuRLaUNBrAlgMIxg&bvm=bv.57752919,d.eW0)Ron Paul says our unfairness to Palestinians led to 9/11 attacks (http://mondoweiss.net/2011/09/ron-paul-says-our-unfairness-to-palestinians-led-to-911-attacks.html)

Bin Laden: Palestinian Cause Prompted 9/11 - CBS News (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bin-laden-palestinian-cause-prompted-9-11/)

Although this discussion is focussed on the overt symptoms but underlying causes sometimes become elephant in the room. But even with that, these are pretty useful discussions to raise awareness.