In Death, as in Life, Truth About Nelson Mandela Overlooked

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Nelson Mandela with South African Communist Party head Joe Slovo



Revolutionary leader Nelson Mandela died late Thursday, December 5, and presidents, dictators, and the press from around the world are in mourning, but it should be remembered that the U.S. government labeled his group a terrorist group for a reason.


In Death, as in Life, Truth About Mandela Overlooked (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/17106-in-death-as-in-life-truth-about-mandela-overlooked)


The New American (http://www.thenewamerican.com/)
06 December 2013


With the widely anticipated passing of South African revolutionary leader Nelson Mandela late Thursday, December 5, presidents and dictators from around the world — as well as everyday people, and especially the press — are in mourning. Lost amid the tsunami of praise and adoration, almost canonization even according to some of his supporters, however, is the truth about the man (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/15888-saint-mandela-not-so-fast) himself, who was, after all, still just a man.

The announcement of Mandela’s death was made by current South African President Jacob Zuma, the fourth leader of the so-called “rainbow nation” ushered in after the fall of Apartheid rule some two decades ago. “Our beloved Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela, the founding President of our democratic nation has departed,” said (http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/12/05/21776914-south-african-president-zuma-on-nelson-mandela-our-people-have-lost-a-father) Zuma, a polygamous tribal chief who, amid never-ending corruption scandals, regularly sings “struggle” songs about murdering European-descent Afrikaners (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHLTKZ05zM4&feature=youtu.be).

According to the current South African president, Mandela passed on “peacefully” in the company of his family late Thursday. “He is now resting. He is now at peace,” Zuma continued, adding that the deceased leader would receive a state funeral and flags would be flown at half-mast until then. “Our nation has lost its greatest son. Our people have lost a father. Although we knew that this day would come, nothing can diminish our sense of a profound and enduring loss.”

Like heads of state and the media around the world, Zuma celebrated Mandela’s alleged “tireless struggle for freedom” and how he “brought us together” in common cause. “Our thoughts are with his friends, comrades and colleagues who fought alongside Madiba over the course of a lifetime of struggle,” South Africa’s current president continued, offering the briefest of glimpses into the reality about Mandela (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/15888-saint-mandela-not-so-fast) that has been largely expunged from the history books.

President Obama, also heaping praises on Mandela, even ordered American flags flown at half-mast (http://www.politico.com/story/2013/12/nelson-mandela-barack-obama-100749.html) until Monday — especially shocking when considering that the late leader and his Soviet-backed armed movement spent decades on the official U.S. government terror list before being removed in 2008 (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/southafrica/2233256/Nelson-Mandela-removed-from-US-terror-list.html). “I am one of the countless millions who drew inspirations from Nelson Mandela’s life,” Obama said. “I cannot fully imagine my own life without the example that Nelson Mandela set. So long as I live, I will do what I can to learn from him.”

By contrast, even in the late 1980’s, shortly before the Apartheid regime surrendered to overwhelming global pressure to hand over power, Western leaders saw Mandela and his “African National Congress” in a very different light. “The ANC is a typical terrorist organization,” explained (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/from-terrorist-to-tea-with-the-queen-1327902.html) former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher. U.S. President Ronald Reagan put Mandela and the ANC on the American terrorist list in the 1980s.

Indeed, outside of open support from ruthless communist dictatorships (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/13281-south-african-communists-friends-in-high-places) — the tyrants ruling over Cuba, East Germany, and the Soviet Union, for example — Mandela’s ANC and its South African Communist Party partners were widely viewed as ruthless communist terrorists. Considering their murderous activities (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/13281-south-african-communists-friends-in-high-places), which included the barbaric executions and torture of countless South African blacks who opposed them, it is easy to understand why.

With help from elements of the Western establishment and the media (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/13281-south-african-communists-friends-in-high-places), however, all of that gradually changed. Widely adored in South Africa and around the world, today Mandela is almost universally portrayed as a peaceful hero who struggled to bring down the white-led Apartheid regime that ruled the area for decades — all in the name of “democracy,” “equality,” and racial harmony.

Lost amid the cacophony of praise and near-worship, though, is the truth about the late South African leader, which has been all but erased from the planet’s collective memory. Today, for example, endless amounts of news reports on Mandela’s death continue to falsely suggest that he was a political prisoner jailed merely for his “beliefs” and opposition to the system of Apartheid (meaning separate development, which despite its myriad flaws, was working to grant full independence and sovereignty (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/13281-south-african-communists-friends-in-high-places) to the various tribal and ethnic groups in South Africa).

A mere handful of articles have offered even a hint of the truth. In reality, the Soviet-backed revolutionary was imprisoned for terrorism, sedition, and sabotage (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/15888-saint-mandela-not-so-fast) — an integral part of Mandela’s long communist history that his adoring fans tend to downplay, at best, or more often, ignore altogether. Almost none of the adoring eulogies pouring forth from around the world have noted, for example, that Mandela was offered the chance to walk out of prison a free man if he would just renounce violence. He refused.

Instead of a man of peace, as his legions of fans would like to believe, and in many cases do believe, Mandela was actually the co-founder of the armed wing of the ANC (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/15888-saint-mandela-not-so-fast) known as Umkhonto we Sizwe (Spear of the Nation). Outside of communist dictatorships, virtually every government recognized the movement as a communist-backed terrorist outfit — it was, after all, famous for murder, torture, bombings, sabotage, and more. More recently, as The New American reported, conclusive evidence further confirming Mandela’s senior role in the Soviet-backed South African Communist Party (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/13920-new-evidence-shows-mandela-was-senior-communist-party-member) has been widely published.

Meanwhile, Mandela’s wife during much of that time, fellow ANC revolutionary Winnie, was a zealous and open advocate for one of the most brutal murder tactics ever conceived by man. Pioneered by the ANC, so-called “necklacing” (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/13096-the-comrades-necklace) involves filling a tire with gasoline before putting it around the victim’s neck, setting it ablaze, and watching the poor target slowly writhe in horrifying agony before eventual death. Most of the ANC’s “necklace” victims were fellow blacks.

Unsurprisingly, Mandela’s history of violence, brutality, terror, and communist scheming has scarcely been mentioned in the thousands of obituaries currently on the front pages of newspapers around the world. Instead, one of the ex-guerilla’s key accomplishments, which earned him praise from around the world, was his supposed ability to prevent a “blood bath” and mass-slaughter in the transition to “democracy” — as if genocide (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/13280-genocide-communism-threaten-south-africa) were the obvious course that history would have inevitably taken absent a figure like Mandela.

Almost incredibly, the few reports that have highlighted even the tiniest hint of controversy surrounding the life and works of Mandela suggest that the only criticism of his legacy comes from extremists who think the late leader did not do enough to turn South Africa into a full-blown Marxist dictatorship. An opinion piece in the New York Times, for example, describes (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/06/opinion/the-contradictions-of-mandela.html?hp&rref=opinion&_r=0) the rage among some forces in South Africa over Mandela’s failure to completely disempower or even obliterate the Afrikaner people — a process that many respected analysts say is accelerating and could quickly spiral out of control (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/13280-genocide-communism-threaten-south-africa).

“It is ironic that in today’s South Africa, there is an increasingly vocal segment of black South Africans who feel that Mandela sold out the liberation struggle to white interests,” claimed Ohio University Professor Zakes Mda, who knew Mandela, in the Times column. “This will come as a surprise to the international community, which informally canonized him and thinks he enjoyed universal adoration in his country.” As the Times’ piece suggests, even more extreme anti-white racist and Marxist forces are gathering momentum.

All of that, however, has been largely covered up amid news of Mandela’s death. “As we gather, wherever we are in the country and wherever we are in the world, let us recall the values for which Madiba fought,” said Zuma, referring to Mandela by his African tribal name. “Let us commit ourselves to strive together – sparing neither strength nor courage – to build a united, non-racial, non-sexist, democratic and prosperous South Africa.”

Acquitted (http://www.iol.co.za/news/south-africa/zuma-i-had-to-oblige-1.271913?ot=inmsa.ArticlePrintPageLayout.ot) of rape charges in 2006 by claiming that his victim was wearing a “kanga” and so, clearly wanted to have sex with him, Zuma has been steadily following in the footsteps of his communist-affiliated predecessors. With the economy crumbling and violence exploding, Zuma and his allies continue to publicly sing “struggle” songs inciting genocide (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHLTKZ05zM4&feature=youtu.be) against the white population at virtually every political rally.

Meanwhile, the ANC-Communist Party alliance that has ruled South Africa since the end of Apartheid is steadily working to foist tyranny and lawlessness on what was once among the most prosperous countries in the world. The planet’s top authority on genocide, a man who worked to help bring down Apartheid in South Africa, has even warned that the Afrikaners may be on the verge of literal extermination (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/13280-genocide-communism-threaten-south-africa).

While the largely bogus public image created of Mandela certainly has some praiseworthy elements — opposition to racism, violence, and support for human rights, for example — it is important that reality not be overlooked. Senior Editor William Jasper with The New American magazine wrote a detailed piece on the real Nelson Mandela under the headline “Saint” Mandela? Not So Fast! (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/15888-saint-mandela-not-so-fast) If the truth is worth anything, Americans should resist the temptation to worship a fake caricature of a leader who was, after all, still just a man.



Related articles:

“Saint” Mandela? Not So Fast! (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/15888-saint-mandela-not-so-fast)

New Evidence Shows Mandela Was Senior Communist Party Member (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/13920-new-evidence-shows-mandela-was-senior-communist-party-member)

Genocide and Communism Threaten South Africa (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/13280-genocide-communism-threaten-south-africa)

South African Communists’ Friends in High Places (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/13281-south-african-communists-friends-in-high-places)

Socialist International Congress Hosted by ANC Amid Genocide Alert (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/12768-socialist-international-congress-hosted-by-anc-amid-genocide-alert)

South African Tells of Genocide in Communist-dominated South Africa (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/13121-south-african-tells-of-genocide-in-communist-dominated-south-africa)

Silk-tie Revolutionaries (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/13094-silk-tie-revolutionaries)

South Africa: The Questions That Need to Be Asked (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/13099-south-africa-the-questions-that-need-to-be-asked)

A Meeting of Minds (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/13101-a-meeting-of-minds)

The Comrades' Necklace (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/13096-the-comrades-necklace)

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Statement of the South African Communist Party on Nelson Mandela (http://www.workers.org/articles/2013/12/06/statement-south-african-communist-party-nelson-mandela/)


Workers World
December 6, 2013


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The South African Communist Party joins the people of South Africa and the world in expressing its most sincere condolences to Ms. Graca Machel and the entire Mandela family on the loss of what President Zuma correctly described as South Africa’s greatest son, Comrade Mandela.
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In honour of this gallant fighter, the SACP will intensify the struggle against all forms of inequality, including intensifying the struggle for socialism, as the only political and economic solution to the problems facing humanity.
...

[Origanalist]

I just turned off any news regarding this. So much misinformation (mostly by omission). It's like having to listen to Lincoln worship.

[vita3]

Amazing how Communist Mandela was when he was President...

[FrankRep]

Mandela, Man of Peace?



In 1961, Mandela co-founded and became the leader of Umkhonto we Sizwe, the armed wing of the ANC. Umkhonto we Sizwe waged a war against the government and launched several attacks.

However, the government arrested Mandela on December 55, 1956 and he was charged with treason. On April 20, 1964 at Pretoria Supreme Court, he was sentenced to 27 years in prison on Robben Island. His sentencing created uproar in the international community.

Despite being behind bars, Mandela continued with his fight against the system.

In 1985, President PW Botha offered to release him if he `unconditionally rejected violence as a political weapon`.

Mandela refused saying that “only free men can negotiate. A prisoner cannot enter into contracts.”


SOURCE:
http://zeenews.india.com/exclusive/nelson-mandela-%E2%80%93-rewriting-history_6792.html

[FrankRep]

Amazing how Communist Mandela was when he was President...


Here's a quick list for ya.


The list shows the typical things Communists love to push: Free Healthcare, Welfare, Gov-funded Skills Training, Gov-funded Reconstruction, Collective Bargaining, Labour Relations Board, Affirmative Action, Compulsory Schooling, Redistribution of Wealth to Poor Communities


Wikipedia: Nelson_Mandela - Presidency_of_South_Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Mandela#Presidency_of_South_Africa)



During the course of his presidency, a wide range of progressive social reforms were enacted by Mandela's government, aimed at reducing long entrenched social and economic inequalities in South Africa.


1.) Free health care was introduced in 1994 for all children under the age of six together with pregnant and breastfeeding women making use of public sector health facilities (Big government)

2.) Reconstruction and Development Programme (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconstruction_and_Development_Programme) (RDP) is a South African socio-economic policy framework implemented by the African National Congress (ANC) government of Nelson Mandela in 1994 after months of discussions, consultations and negotiations between the ANC, its Alliance partners the Congress of South African Trade Unions and the South African Communist Party, and "mass organisations in the wider civil society". (Big Government)

3.) Skills Development Act of 1998 provided for the establishment of mechanisms to finance and promote skills development at the workplace. (Big Government)

3.) The Labour Relations Act of 1995, which promoted workplace democracy, orderly collective bargaining, and the effective resolution of labour disputes. (Big Government)

4.) Employment Equity Act of 1998 was passed to put an end to unfair discrimination and ensure the implementation of affirmative action in the workplace. (Big Government)

5.) Compulsory schooling was introduced for African children between six and fourteen years, while free meals were provided for between 3.5 to 5 million school children. (Big Government)

6.) National Development Agency was established in 1998, and was mandated to provide funds to civil society organizations to meet the developmental needs of poor communities. (Big Government)

[FrankRep]

Special Report: Discover the REAL Nelson Mandela (http://www.infowars.com/special-report-discover-the-real-nelson-mandela/)


InfoWars.com
December 7, 2013


Nelson Mandela, working with the Soviet Union, wanted to replace Apartheid tyranny with a Marxist dictatorship. He and his followers hijacked the Anti-Apartheid Movement in an attempt to bring communism to South Africa.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o0_2nz8Ou0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o0_2nz8Ou0


He was a member of the South African Communist Party and a co-founder of Umkhonto we Sizwe, the armed wing of the African National Congress which targeted civilians.

Mandela fought against racism, which was a good thing, but he did it with another evil: communism.

On Dec. 5, Mandela died at the age of 95:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swdtg5YLx_Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swdtg5YLx_Q

[Tywysog Cymru]

Nelson Mandela used the Communists for political reasons. When you live in a society where you have almost no rights, and the only people who will help you are Communists, Communism starts to look really appealing. South African Conservatives made the mistake of supporting Jim Crow on steroids, and now Communism is on the rise.

[FrankRep]

Nelson Mandela used the Communists for political reasons. When you live in a society where you have almost no rights, and the only people who will help you are Communists, Communism starts to look really appealing. South African Conservatives made the mistake of supporting Jim Crow on steroids, and now Communism is on the rise.

The Communists exploited the anti-Apartheid movement and turned it into a Marxist movement.

[Ender]

Nelson Mandela used the Communists for political reasons. When you live in a society where you have almost no rights, and the only people who will help you are Communists, Communism starts to look really appealing. South African Conservatives made the mistake of supporting Jim Crow on steroids, and now Communism is on the rise.

Not to mention being jailed by the alphabets for 28 years.

[FrankRep]

Not to mention being jailed by the alphabets for 28 years.

Nelson Mandela chose to be a terrorist thug and wouldn't denounce the use of violence. Mandela wasn't jailed for 28 years for being peaceful.



In 1985, President PW Botha offered to release him if he "unconditionally rejected violence as a political weapon."

Mandela refused.

http://zeenews.india.com/exclusive/nelson-mandela-%E2%80%93-rewriting-history_6792.html

[Ender]

Nelson Mandela chose to be a terrorist thug and wouldn't denounce the use of violence. Mandela wasn't jailed for 28 years for being peaceful.



In 1985, President PW Botha offered to release him if he "unconditionally rejected violence as a political weapon."

Mandela refused.

http://zeenews.india.com/exclusive/nelson-mandela-%E2%80%93-rewriting-history_6792.html


I repeat what I said on the Alex Jones thread:


I have come to the conclusion that Mandela was more of a William Wallace.


When court reconvened three weeks later, Nelson Mandela led the parade of defendants up a staircase that opened into the center of the court, where a specially constructed dock had been built. Mandela gave the clenched fist salute to supporters that had become an ANC trademark. Mandela shouted, "Amandla!" (Power), and the crowd responded with the cry, "Ngawethu!" (It shall be ours).

At his trial:


Mandela began speaking in a quiet, even voice. He continue reading for the next four hours. "I am the first accused," Mandela said, and began telling the story of his life, the reasons he joined the struggle for racial equality, and of his gradually arrived at conclusion that non-violent protest must give way to more violent approaches if the goals of a multi-racial democracy in South Africa were ever to be achieved:

At the beginning of June 1961, after a long and anxious assessment of the South African situation, I, and some colleagues, came to the conclusion that as violence in this country was inevitable, it would be unrealistic and wrong for African leaders to continue preaching peace and non-violence at a time when the Government met our peaceful demands with force. This conclusion was not easily arrived at. It was only when all else had failed, when all channels of peaceful protest had been barred to us, that the decision was made to embark on violent forms of political struggle, and to form Umkhonto we Sizwe.

Mandela concluded his speech by announcing he was ready to make the ultimate sacrifice for his cause:

"During my lifetime I have dedicated myself to this struggle of the African people. I have fought against white domination, and I have fought against black domination. I have cherished the ideal of a democratic and free society in which all persons live together in harmony and with equal opportunities. It is an ideal which I hope to live for and to achieve. But if needs be, it is an ideal for which I am prepared to die."

Mandela sat down. In his autobiography, he describes the scene in the Pretoria courtroom. "The silence seemed to stretch for many minutes. But in fact it lasted probably no more than thirty seconds, and then from the gallery I heard what sounded like a great sigh, a deep, collective 'ummmm,' followed by the cries of women."

The site below is very informative- I recommend reading it.

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/project...laaccount.html

[Ender]

Nelson Mandela chose to be a terrorist thug and wouldn't denounce the use of violence. Mandela wasn't jailed for 28 years for being peaceful.



In 1985, President PW Botha offered to release him if he "unconditionally rejected violence as a political weapon."


Mandela refused.

http://zeenews.india.com/exclusive/nelson-mandela-%E2%80%93-rewriting-history_6792.html



Ahhhh.....you mean this guy?


President P.W. Botha Speech on 18/ 08/ 85


THE FOLLOWING is a speech made by former South African President P.W. Botha to his Cabinet. This reprint was *written* by David G. Mailu for the Sunday Times, a South African newspaper, dated August 18, 1985.


"Pretoria has been made by the White mind for the White man. We are not
obliged even the least to try to prove to anybody and to the Blacks that we
are superior people. We have demonstrated that to the Blacks in a thousand
and one ways. The Republic of South Africa that we know of today has not
been created by wishful thinking. We have created it at the expense of
intelligence, sweat and blood. Were they Afrikaners who tried to eliminate
the Australian Aborigines? Are they Afrikaners who discriminate against
Blacks and call them Nigge*rs in the States? Were they Afrikaners who
started the slave trade? Where is the Black man appreciated? England
discriminates against its Black and their "Sus" law is out to discipline the
Blacks. Canada, France, Russia, and Japan all play their discrimination too.
Why in the hell then is so much noise made about us? Why are they biased
against us? I am simply trying to prove to you all that there is nothing
unusual we are doing that the so called civilized worlds are not doing. We
are simply an honest people who have come out aloud with a clear philosophy
of how we want to live our own White life.

We do not pretend like other Whites that we like Blacks. The fact that,
Blacks look like human beings and act like human beings do not necessarily
make them sensible human beings. Hedgehogs are not porcupines and lizards
are not crocodiles simply because they look alike. If God wanted us to be
equal to the Blacks, he would have created> us all of a uniform colour and
intellect. But he created us differently: Whites, Blacks, Yellow, Rulers and
the ruled. Intellectually, we are superior to the Blacks; that has been
proven beyond any reasonable doubt over the years. I believe that the
Afrikaner is an honest, God fearing person, who has demonstrated practically
the right way of being. Nevertheless, it is comforting to know that behind
the scenes, Europe, America, Canada, Australia-and all others are behind us
in spite of what they say. For diplomatic relations, we all know what
language should be used and where. To prove my point, Comrades, does anyone
of you know a White country without an investment or interest in South
Africa? Who buys our gold? Who buys our diamonds? Who trades with us? Who is
helping us develop other nuclear weapon? The very truth is that we are their
people and they are our people. It's a big secret. The strength of our
economy is backed by America, Britain, Germany. It is our strong conviction,
therefore, that the Black is the raw material for the White man. So Brothers
and Sisters, let us join hands together to fight against this Black devil. I
appeal to all Afrikaners to come out with any creative means of fighting
this war. Surely God cannot forsake his own people whom we are. By now every
one of us has seen it practically that the Blacks cannot rule themselves.
Give them guns and they will kill each other. They are good in nothing else
but making noise, dancing, marrying many wives and indulging in sex. Let us
all accept that the Black man is the symbol of poverty, mental inferiority,
laziness and emotional incompetence. Isn't it plausible? therefore that the
White man is created to rule the Black man? Come to think of what would
happen one day if you woke up and on the throne sat a Kaff*ir! Can you
imagine what would happen to our women? Does anyone of you believe that the
Blacks can rule this country?

Hence, we have good reasons to let them all-the Mandelas-rot in prison, and
I think we should be commended for having kept them alive in spite of what
we have at hand with which to finish them off. I wish to announce a number
of new strategies that should be put to use to destroy this Black bug. We
should now make use of the chemical weapon. Priority number one, we should
not by all means allow any more increases of the Black population lest we be
choked very soon. I have exciting news that our scientists have come with an
efficient stuff. I am sending out more researchers to the field to identify
as many venues as possible where the chemical weapons could be employed to
combat any further population increases. The hospital is a very strategic
opening, for example and should be fully utilized. The food supply channel
should be used. We have eveloped excellent slow killing poisons and
fertility destroyers. Our only fear is in case such stuff came in! ! to
their hands as they are bound to start using it against us if you care to
think of the many Blacks working for us in our homes.

However, we are doing the best we can to make sure that the stuff remains
strictly in our hands. Secondly, most Blacks are vulnerable to money
inducements. I have set aside a special fund to exploit this venue. The old
trick of divide and rule is still very valid today. Our experts should work
day and night to set the Black man against his fellowman. His inferior sense
of morals can be exploited beautifully. And here is a creature that lacks
foresight There is a need for us to combat him in long term projections that
he cannot suspect. The average Black does not plan his life beyond a
year:that stance, for example,should be exploited. My special
department is already working round the clock to come out with a long-term operation
blueprint. I am also sending a special request to all Afrikaner mothers to
double their birth rate It may be necessary too to set up a population boom
industry by putting up centres where we employ and support fully White young
men and women to produce children for the nation. We are also investigating
the merit of uterus rentals as a possible means of speeding up the growth of
our population through surrogate mothers.

For the time being, we should also engage a higher gear to make sure that
Black men are separated from their women and fines imposed upon married
wives who bear illegitimate children.

I have a committee working on finding better methods of inciting Blacks
against each other and encouraging murders among themselves. Murder cases
among Blacks should bear very little punishment in order to encourage them.

My scientists have come up with a drug that could be smuggled into their
brews to effect slow poisoning results and fertility destruction. Working
through drinks and manufacturing of soft drinks geared to the Blacks, could
promote the channels of reducing their population. Ours is not a war that we
can use the atomic bomb to destroy the Blacks, so we must use our
intelligence to effect this. The person-to-person encounter can be very
effective.

As the records show that the Black man is dying to go to bed with the White
woman, here is our unique opportunity. Our Sex Mercenary Squad should go out
and camouflage with Apartheid Fighters while doing their operations quietly
administering slow killing poison and fertility destroyers to those Blacks
they thus befriend. We are modifying the Sex Mercenary Squad by introducing
White men who should go for the militant Black woman and any other
vulnerable Black woman. We have received a new supply of prostitutes from
Europe and America who are desperate and too keen to take up the
appointments.

My latest appeal is that the maternity hospital operations should be
intensified. We are not paying those people to help bring Black babies to
this world but to eliminate them on the very delivery moment. If this
department worked very efficiently, a great deal could be achieved.

My Government has set aside a special fund for erecting more covert
hospitals and clinics to promote this programme. Money can do anything for
you. So while we have it, we should make the best use of it. In the meantime
my beloved White citizens, do not take to heart what the world says, and
don't be ashamed of being called racists. I do not mind being called the
architect and King of Apartheid. I shall not become a monkey simply because
someone has called me a monkey. I will still remain your bright star...His
Excellency Botha.

This is one sick mo'fo'.

[FrankRep]

Rest In Whitewash: Networks Set to Ignore Mandela's Communist Party Ties, Dictator Friends (http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2013/12/07/rest-whitewash-networks-set-ignore-mandelas-communist-party-ties-dictato)


News Busters
December 7, 2013


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[vita3]

When your side is on the very short end of the stick you have to saddle up w/ somebody w/ real guns..

Frankrep,

On a scale of 1 to 10 how "Communistic" was Mandela in action when he WAS IN POWER?

[Contumacious]

Nelson Mandela used the Communists for political reasons. When you live in a society where you have almost no rights, and the only people who will help you are Communists, Communism starts to look really appealing. South African Conservatives made the mistake of supporting Jim Crow on steroids, and now Communism is on the rise.

That is true.

Case in point Edward Snowden. I do not believe he is 100% happy about accepting asylum in Russia BUT BUT its a lot better that being confined in the supermax federal prison ADX Florence in Florence, Colorado.

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[NIU Students for Liberty]

Nelson Mandela chose to be a terrorist thug and wouldn't denounce the use of violence. Mandela wasn't jailed for 28 years for being peaceful.



In 1985, President PW Botha offered to release him if he "unconditionally rejected violence as a political weapon."

Mandela refused.

http://zeenews.india.com/exclusive/nelson-mandela-%E2%80%93-rewriting-history_6792.html


So I guess the American colonists were unjustified in the use of violence against their British overlords during the American Revolution?

[Cutlerzzz]

So I guess the American colonists were unjustified in the use of violence against their British overlords during the American Revolution?

Any of them who targeted civilians in their efforts to create a socialist utopia. Any of them who burned collaborators to death.

[NIU Students for Liberty]

Any of them who targeted civilians in their efforts to create a socialist utopia. Any of them who burned collaborators to death.

And where is the evidence that supports Mandela targeted innocent civilians?

[enhanced_deficit]

Frank, to be fair, he did support Freedom and Liberty for occupied Palestinians, doesn't that count for something ... considering what is happening with our Homeland Security and Civil Liberties (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?435067-Why-Is-Homeland-Security-Taking-Control-of-Local-Police&p=5333534&viewfull=1#post5333534) lately because of that issue?

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In 1990 ‘Nightline’ town hall, Jewish leaders call Mandela ‘hypocritical’ and ‘amoral’ over support for PLO, Koppel warns it isn’t politically wise to upset lobby

Adam Horowitz (http://mondoweiss.net/author/adamhorowitz) on December 6, 2013 20 (http://mondoweiss.net/2013/12/nightline-hypocritical-politically.html#comments)

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Watch this fascinating Ted Koppel interview with Nelson Mandela from 1990. The video is part of a New York City town hall meeting broadcast on ABC’s Nightline during Mandela’s first trip to the United States after being released from prison.
In it Koppel presses Mandela on his support for the Palestinians and the political fallout this may cause in the U.S. This was certainly in response to the fact that the American Jewish establishment at the time rejected Mandela (http://mondoweiss.net/2013/06/establishment-represent-community.html) over his support for the PLO. At 5:35 in the video Mandela gets a question from audience member Ken Adelman, a noted neocon (http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/Adelman_Kenneth) who would go on to be a leading proponent for the second Iraq War. Adelman calls Mandela a hypocrite for saying he believes in human rights while supporting Yasser Arafat. Mandela says he supports the Palestinians because they have been steadfast allies against apartheid in South Africa. Adelman is followed by Henry Siegman, then the Executive Director of the American Jewish Congress now a vocal critic of Israel, who says Mandela’s answer “suggests a certain degree of amorality.”


Later, Koppel makes an oblique reference to the Israel lobby and tells Mandela his comments on Palestinians were not politically expedient:
“If you were more political you might have been more concerned about alienating some people in this country who have it within their hands, within their power, either to continue sanctions against South Africa or to raise those sanctions”

http://mondoweiss.net/2013/12/nightline-hypocritical-politically.html


There were some anti-semitic comments there towards Ted Koppel that seem to have been deleted now.

[Cutlerzzz]

And where is the evidence that supports Mandela targeted innocent civilians?

His guilty plea. His status as the head of a terrorist organization. His refusal to renounce violence as his wife and organization burned thousands of people to death.

[Superfly]

So I guess the American colonists were unjustified in the use of violence against their British overlords during the American Revolution?

I think the bigger point is the hero worship he receives painting him in a light that the reality doesn't measure up to. He was certainly a man of his time and era and had a significant impact on South Africa, but I will always prefer a man of peace to a man of violence. The true story appears closer to the latter than the former, which is how he is now popularly conveyed.

[Ender]

His guilty plea. His status as the head of a terrorist organization. His refusal to renounce violence as his wife and organization burned thousands of people to death.

Did you read my post? Here's an excerpt- These were the types of leaders of South Africa:




President P.W. Botha:

Hence, we have good reasons to let them all-the Mandelas-rot in prison, and
I think we should be commended for having kept them alive in spite of what
we have at hand with which to finish them off. I wish to announce a number
of new strategies that should be put to use to destroy this Black bug. We
should now make use of the chemical weapon. Priority number one, we should
not by all means allow any more increases of the Black population lest we be
choked very soon. I have exciting news that our scientists have come with an
efficient stuff. I am sending out more researchers to the field to identify
as many venues as possible where the chemical weapons could be employed to
combat any further population increases. The hospital is a very strategic
opening, for example and should be fully utilized. The food supply channel
should be used. We have eveloped excellent slow killing poisons and
fertility destroyers. Our only fear is in case such stuff came in! ! to
their hands as they are bound to start using it against us if you care to
think of the many Blacks working for us in our homes.

Just think how passive YOU would be living in these circumstances.

[Cutlerzzz]

Did you read my post? Here's an excerpt- These were the types of leaders of South Africa:



Just think how passive YOU would be living in these circumstances.

Yes, I get it. You think killing those children in that train station was cool.

[Ender]

I think the bigger point is the hero worship he receives painting him in a light that the reality doesn't measure up to. He was certainly a man of his time and era and had a significant impact on South Africa, but I will always prefer a man of peace to a man of violence. The true story appears closer to the latter than the former, which is how he is now popularly conveyed.

My hero is definitely Jesus Christ but there are times when we must be William Wallace.

[Ender]

Cutlerzzz: Yes, I get it. You think killing those children in that train station was cool.

What children and where's your proof.

[Cutlerzzz]

My hero is definitely Jesus Christ but there are times when we must be William Wallace.

Jesus would definitely kill those civilians and burn people to death.

[Cutlerzzz]

What children and where's your proof.

The Johannasburg Railway Station bombing that he plead guilty to.

[Ender]

The Johannasburg Railway Station bombing that he plead guilty to.

Mandela was in jail when the Johannasburg Railway Station bombing took place.

Here is the full transcript of Mandela's speech to the court:

http://db.nelsonmandela.org/speeches/pub_view.asp?pg=item&ItemID=NMS010&txtstr=prepared%20to%20die

[Cutlerzzz]

Mandela was in jail when the Johannasburg Railway Station bombing took place.

Here is the full transcript of Mandela's speech to the court:

http://db.nelsonmandela.org/speeches/pub_view.asp?pg=item&ItemID=NMS010&txtstr=prepared%20to%20die

If you want to ignore that one, there are still 156 more acts of public violence he plead guilty to.

[Ender]

If you want to ignore that one, there are still 156 more acts of public violence he plead guilty to.

So- you're not going to read his speech to the Judge and simply believe the neocon Mandela-talk.

Mandela was not a saint, as liberals like to paint him, but neither was he a "terrorist communist". He was a William Wallace, a Paul Revere. His country was run by White Supremacy; his people had no rights, no vote, no nothing. They were repeatedly attacked and killed.

His group started as pacifists but everything they tried to do became outlawed. They looked at options, which were sabotage, guerrilla warfare, terrorism or complete revolution. They started with sabotage and started training for guerrilla warfare but never got that far. Mandela was first thrown into jail (5 years) for leaving the country illegally; he was still in jail when the other trial started.

Also- communists helped his country for the short term but Mandela was into taking ideas from the east and west to make something that would work for his country; he was not a communist.

[heavenlyboy34]

So I guess the American colonists were unjustified in the use of violence against their British overlords during the American Revolution?
Yup. But we can get into why teh Revolution was wrong in another thread.

[Peace&Freedom]

I think the bigger point is the hero worship he receives painting him in a light that the reality doesn't measure up to. He was certainly a man of his time and era and had a significant impact on South Africa, but I will always prefer a man of peace to a man of violence. The true story appears closer to the latter than the former, which is how he is now popularly conveyed.

The true story seems to be there was a CIA/MI6 narrative to defame organized resistance to Apartheid as terrorist monsters, but they lost the narrative when Mandela behaved consistent with being (on balance) a non-aggressor, and certain parties have been trying hard to get the narrative back. You know it's an infowar when the same strategic phrases get peddled---"he never renounced violence" and so forth. Does a government ever "renounce violence?" Do soldiers or cops "renounce violence," or do we simply accept where they have legitimate authority to employ force? We don't count their "violence" because it falls within a defensive context.

The real issue is whether Mandela was a man of aggression, not "violence." His detractors want to paint him as an aggressor, as opposed to a resistance leader fighting in self defense. In the context of a WAR between a repressive regime and a rebel combatant force, denouncing the latter for not "renouncing violence" is telling one side of the battle to give up, and presuming it never had a legitimate basis for fighting. So the propaganda phrase "renounce violence" is really code for denying legitimacy to the anti-Apartheid combatants. Only twenty years past the point of the revival of Mandela's reputation, it's pretty hard to re-smear its leader in hindsight.

[Peace&Freedom]

If you want to ignore that one, there are still 156 more acts of public violence he plead guilty to.

Pleading guilty to "violence" one is taking responsibility for, as head of an organization, does not prove those actions were AGGRESSION, as opposed to combatant attacks fighting an aggressor, or that the public setting means they must have targeted civilians, or that the leader had knowledge of the same. Pleading guilty in the very kangaroo court system of the repressive regime one is fighting, also suggests the plea was more tactical than substantive.

If a government's legal system basically labels any resistance to its tyranny as "terrorism," a guilty plea hardly proves anything. One might decline to recognize those distinctions, but that does not mean they don't exist. Had the British tried Washington et al as traitors and terrorists, would their pleading guilty have made it so?

[Ender]

Pleading guilty to "violence" one is taking responsibility for, as head of an organization, does not prove those actions were AGGRESSION, as opposed to combatant attacks fighting an aggressor, or that the public setting means they must have targeted civilians, or that the leader had knowledge of the same. Pleading guilty in the very kangaroo court system of the repressive regime one is fighting, also suggests the plea was more tactical than substantive.

If a government's legal system basically labels any resistance to its tyranny as "terrorism," a guilty plea hardly proves anything. One might decline to recognize those distinctions, but that does not mean they don't exist. Had the British tried Washington et al as traitors and terrorists, would their pleading guilty have made it so?

Thank you!

I have been saying this over and over but your statements are much clearer.