Shocking,Ukrainian "opposition" fascist protestors display portrait of Nazi collaborator Ste

[AngryCanadian]

Shocking,Ukrainian "opposition" fascist protestors display portrait of Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bakh4dUIEAEXOZp.jpg:large
Here's a little more background.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BaicnUtCYAEjzuJ.jpg:large
https://twitter.com/DethSpirit/status/407747965659275264/photo/1/large

The majority of the Ukrainian "opposition" are Nazis to begin with. For example the Svoboda,PORA,Radical Party (Ukraine) are the ones we have seen the most protest slogans for the past two weeks. And the other one which led by Yulia Tymoshenko. Don't expect our MSM to show you this. Or this
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bai60f6CMAA6Y6o.jpg:large
The same peeps that engineered the Serbian Otpor! are the same ones behind the Ukrainian "opposition" and the protests.

[Zippyjuan]

You can find radicals at all protests- but that does not necessarily make the movement itself "Nazi". Neo Nazis sometimes showed up at Ron Paul rallies. Does that make his movement pro- Nazi?

[AngryCanadian]

You can find radicals at all protests- but that does not necessarily make the movement itself "Nazi". Neo Nazis sometimes showed up at Ron Paul rallies. Does that make his movement pro- Nazi?

Are you now defending the Pro EU sinking ship to? while claiming to be an libertarian?


Does that make his movement pro- Nazi?
That almost sounds as if your defending the NGO engineered movement the same people that brought the protests in Serbia in 2000 but hey it seems facts dont matter to you.


From my post at the end.

The same peeps that engineered the Serbian Otpor! are the same ones behind the Ukrainian "opposition" and the protests.

Maybe you could explain why the NED has listed 52 NGO organizations working with the opposition parties currently i would be gladly be waiting for a response from you on that.

[Zippyjuan]

Putin's Russia is more Libertarian than the EU? That is what the people are protesting against.

[AngryCanadian]

Putin's Russia is more Libertarian than the EU? That is what the people are protesting against.

I am not sure whatever or not your trying to be sarcastic but dont bother on trying it on me.

[Zippyjuan]

The EU is certainly not Utopia but it has more freedoms than Putin's Russia. The Ukranians want to be free to deal with whom they want. They don't like the swing back to Russia their leader is making.

[AngryCanadian]

The EU is certainly not Utopia but it has more freedoms than Putin's Russia. The Ukranians want to be free to deal with whom they want. They don't like the swing back to Russia their leader is making.

Ok i will bite, go and live in Greece, Italy, Spain for the next 37 months with thus you then come back and tell me if the European Union truly is free. Good luck finding a job in the European Union Sink.


but it has more freedoms than Putin's Russia
With that being said you arent an libertarian. The European Union is an Empire. The last time i checked real libertarians dont cheer for unions. I can just see just how great the EU has being for my family friends in Italy to this day they are struggling barely enough to feed there three children.

If they didn't have a job right now they would have being living on the streets and your telling just how great living is in the EU? i lived in Italy before it joined the European Union i know Europe would have being better off on there own then with an Union.

Which the Third Reich had dreamed of if they had won the war.

[Cutlerzzz]

ITT: Putin's Russia is a free, wonderful place.

[Zippyjuan]

Ok i will bite, go and live in Greece, Italy, Spain for the next 37 months with thus you then come back and tell me if the European Union truly is free. Good luck finding a job in the European Union Sink.


With that being said you arent an libertarian. The European Union is an Empire. The last time i checked real libertarians dont cheer for unions.

If you go and live in Moscow.

[AngryCanadian]

ITT: Putin's Russia is a free, wonderful place.

Not Quite Free, but its Dent Free. But hey if your cheering for the EU? i am all for the North American Union then.

[AngryCanadian]

If you go and live in Moscow.

I will ask you again are you an actual libertarian or not? if your supporting the European Union you might as well support the Bigger Government because thats what the EU is all about. The EU is about controlling the wealth of other European Countries. And its laws.

But hey lets all ignore the facts.

[AngryCanadian]

One Disliked Star thats Typical lets all ignore the facts that the European Union is an Sinking ship. It has backed the Syrian rebels and Obama's war in Libya its destroying the wealth of other European Countries and the European Youth are enjoying the full service of the European Union which are living in a mass unemployment.

But hey thats cool apparently.

[Lucille]

I will ask you again are you an actual libertarian or not? if your supporting the European Union you might as well support the Bigger Government because thats what the EU is all about. The EU is about controlling the wealth of other European Countries. And its laws.

But hey lets all ignore the facts.

ZippyJeffry has never claimed to be a libertarian. He is a statist, govt sockpuppet (http://www.pcworld.com/article/220495/army_of_fake_social_media_friends_to_promote_propa ganda.html) sent here by TPTB to set us all straight (http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-operation-social-networks).


It's happening, people (http://www.jrdeputyaccountant.com/2011/02/why-did-us-military-buy-500-fake.html), the question is whether you'll be standing there arguing with a fake sockpuppet of the establishment or shoving your foot up his or her fictitious ass when it happens to you.

[gwax23]

Nazis or not, it doesnt matter. The fact that they want to join the EU shows they are idiots.

[AngryCanadian]

Nazis or not, it doesnt matter. The fact that they want to join the EU shows they are idiots.

Indeed i have no issues if Ukraine wants to stay independent if thats there choice so be it. But the EU on the other hand is a hard issue i am having. If some people here cant see that the EU is sinking then i feel sad for you.

[Zippyjuan]

Three choices- which would you consider the most libertarian? Russia? Ukraine or Europe? You only get to pick one. As I said, Europe is certainly not utopia but it is better compared to the other options.

[AngryCanadian]

Three choices- which would you consider the most libertarian? Russia? Ukraine or Europe? You only get to pick one. As I said, Europe is certainly not utopia but it is better compared to the other options.

I had debated with the Ukrainian opposition members on the social media you remind me one of them they always avoid the questions which are thrown at them.
(Typical)

Are you sir aware that the EU is an Sinking ship that has a mass record of debts and unemployment rate? why are you ignoring that?

[Zippyjuan]

So Europe is worse in terms of freedom than Ukraine and Russia (not answering the question, eh?) You would choose Russia? No, again, for the third time- Europe has problems and isn't perfect. I would still choose it over Russia. Does that make me Nazi or anti- Libertarian? Freedoms are relative.

[FrankRep]

Three choices- which would you consider the most libertarian? Russia? Ukraine or Europe? You only get to pick one. As I said, Europe is certainly not utopia but it is better compared to the other options.

I'm guessing they all suck.

[AngryCanadian]

So Europe is worse in terms of freedom than Ukraine and Russia (not answering question, eh?) You would choose Russia? No, again, for the third time- Europe has problems and isn't perfect. I would still choose it over Russia.

So Edward Joseph Snowden should have chosen the EU in where he could have being arrested and tortured at an unknown CIA black op pow camp somewhere in Eastern Europe right?

With that being said the Nazis should have won in World War II then.

[Zippyjuan]

Snowden chose Russia because he feared deportation from Europe- not because Russia was freer or better. He perfered South America but nobody there would take him. He was hoping Russia was just a stop-over (still may be- his visa there was only for one year).

[AngryCanadian]

Snowden chose Russia because he feared deportation from Europe- not because Russia was freer or better.

Snowden chose Russia, Because Russia has never returned the Spies that the American Government had send during the cold war back Snowden knew the risks and Snowden knew if he had chosen The European Union over Russia.

Snowden would have being tortured at an CIA black op site he didn't fear the deportation from Europe because he knew.


not because Russia was freer or better.
So If Russia has John McCain has president would that make Russia freer or better then?

Serbia and every Balkan country now has an pro western/EU leader are they freer or better now then they were? no. It seems you also have avoided my mention of the Serbian Otpor are aiding the Ukrainian opposition. Ironic.

[moostraks]

So Europe is worse in terms of freedom than Ukraine and Russia (not answering the question, eh?) You would choose Russia? No, again, for the third time- Europe has problems and isn't perfect. I would still choose it over Russia. Does that make me Nazi or anti- Libertarian? Freedoms are relative.

Freedoms are relative? In what manner do you mean?

[thoughtomator]

Russia is objectively freer than the EU in a great many ways, unless your one and only priority is homosexuality. If you were fleeing any number of abuses by Western governments, it would have to be at or near the top of the list of places which would and could extend a credible offer of asylum.

[Zippyjuan]

Freedoms are relative? In what manner do you mean?
There is no absolute freedom to do whatever you want whenever you want wherever you want- there are always limitations. Some places are freer than others.

[erowe1]

Did the OP really say, "here's a little more background," and follow that up with a bunch of stuff written in cyrillic letters?

[Zippyjuan]

You can't read that? (Neither could I!)

[AngryCanadian]

Did the OP really say, "here's a little more background," and follow that up with a bunch of stuff written in cyrillic letters?

That was in Russian/Ukrainian, showing a historical background on the spread of Nazism in Ukraine following the events after WWII.

[AngryCanadian]

You can't read that? (Neither could I!)

That was Russian but hey your suppodely defending the Ukrainian opposition that have the root past of Nazism while comparing the Ukrainian opposition to the Ron Paul movement in your own words.


Neo Nazis sometimes showed up at Ron Paul rallies. Does that make his movement pro- Nazi?

The next thing you would support is NATO to.

[AngryCanadian]

I am literately stunned by the facts that some here are actually supporting a sinking ship.

[AngryCanadian]

Repeat after me:
Anti-austerity protestors in Spain/UK/Greece/western Europe =BAD
Pro-EU protestors in Ukraine= GOOD

[erowe1]

What is going on in this thread?

Is this a Fire11 thing?

[moostraks]

There is no absolute freedom to do whatever you want whenever you want wherever you want- there are always limitations. Some places are freer than others.

Hmmm...if freedom is relative then it is freer in what you find less objectionable but that is in your opinion. Some others would prefer not to be free in the way say Londoners are but to each his own. If you like a surveillance society with cps who will evacuate a woman's womb to "save" a child well then I guess freedom is relative.

[gwax23]

Repeat after me:
Anti-austerity protestors in Spain/UK/Greece/western Europe =BAD
Pro-EU protestors in Ukraine= GOOD

Most of those anti austerity protesters simply wanted more government and more socialism.

Austerity is bad dont get me wrong. Raising taxes I can never support, only spending decreases. But they where arguing for tax increases (on rich) and spending increases

[pcosmar]

Most of those anti austerity protesters simply wanted more government and more socialism.

Austerity is bad dont get me wrong. Raising taxes I can never support, only spending decreases. But they where arguing for tax increases (on rich) and spending increases

And nationalist socialists are different,, how exactly?

I am unsurprised.. national socialists movements are quite common throughout Europe.

[gwax23]

And nationalist socialists are different,, how exactly?

I am unsurprised.. national socialists movements are quite common throughout Europe.

They arent. They are just as bad. Where did I suggest otherwise?