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Anti Federalist
11-27-2013, 09:32 PM
Coming soon here.


Labour: new measures to make insulting military personnel a criminal offence

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/10327874/Labour-new-measures-to-make-insulting-military-personnel-a-criminal-offence.html

Members of the Armed Forces are not treated with the “dignity that their bravery deserves”, Jim Murphy has said.

The shadow defence secretary said that too many soldiers “continue to face discrimination” in the UK.

Labour is tabling amendments to the Defence Reform Bill in a bid to increase the punishments given to anyone who commits a crime against service personnel.

It would put members of the Armed Forces in the same bracket as disabled, gay, transgender and ethnic minority crime victims.

“Today still too many of our Forces continue to face discrimination, whether in the workplace or when they go about their daily lives,” Mr Murphy told Labour’s party conference in Brighton.

“It’s sad that those who fight for our country might need the protection of our laws, but some do.”

kcchiefs6465
11-27-2013, 11:36 PM
Coming soon?


The Sedition Act of 1918 (Pub.L. 65–150, 40 Stat. 553, enacted May 16, 1918) was an Act of the United States Congress that extended the Espionage Act of 1917 to cover a broader range of offenses, notably speech and the expression of opinion that cast the government or the war effort in a negative light or interfered with the sale of government bonds. [1]

It forbade the use of "disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language" about the United States government, its flag, or its armed forces or that caused others to view the American government or its institutions with contempt. Those convicted under the act generally received sentences of imprisonment for 5 to 20 years.[2] The act also allowed the Postmaster General to refuse to deliver mail that met those same standards for punishable speech or opinion. It applied only to times "when the United States is in war."[3] It was repealed on December 13, 1920.[4]

It's the law.

Grubb556
11-27-2013, 11:53 PM
The UK really likes to increase state authority in big lumps. It has been revealed that Cameron's porn filter will also block out websites that espouse dangerous views.

Christian Liberty
11-28-2013, 12:12 AM
You know, I'm not a fan of insulting people because they "served" in general, but frankly, if those laws are passed, I'd have a hard time saying they don't deserve it.

I mean, you fought for my freedom to fall in line... I guess...

Stop killing for the State, and people won't call you a murderer.

Maybe liberty minded folks should start trying Laurence Vance's hypothetical "civilian discount""?

Christian Liberty
11-28-2013, 01:08 AM
Coming soon?



It's the law.


Where did you originally get this from? Just curious because I wanted to mention it in my blog post about this very thing.

kcchiefs6465
11-28-2013, 01:30 AM
Where did you originally get this from? Just curious because I wanted to mention it in my blog post about this very thing.
Wikipedia, though many have spoken and written about it. It Is Dangerous to Be Right When the Government Is Wrong by Andrew Napolitano being the foremost book I would recommend.

The Sedition Act of 1918. (the predecessor being the Espionage Act of 1917)

Robert Goldstein, sentenced to 10 years for producing the film, "The Spirit of '76"


The Spirit of '76 (1917) was a controversial silent film, directed by Frank Montgomery, that depicted both factual and fictional events during the American Revolutionary War. No prints are known to survive, and it is therefore categorized as a lost film.

The film was produced by Robert Goldstein (born September 21, 1883), a California native of German Jewish ancestry, and a costume supplier in Los Angeles. Goldstein outfitted the cast of D. W. Griffith's The Birth of a Nation (1915), and was reportedly inspired by Griffith's film to produce a cinematic interpretation of the American Revolution.[1] Griffith initially encouraged and cooperated with Goldstein, but later distanced himself from that project in favor of pursuing his own treatment of the subject, the 1924 film America.[2]

The Spirit of '76 depicted multiple atrocities committed by the British side during the war, including soldiers bayoneting babies and raping unarmed women, the Wyoming massacre, and the Cherry Valley massacre.[3] It also contained scenes with no known factual basis, such as a physical assault on Benjamin Franklin by King George III, and a sexual liaison between the king and Catherine Montour — possibly based on his supposed (and equally fictitious) relationship with Hannah Lightfoot.[2]
The film premiered in Chicago in May 1917 — just one month after the United States entered World War I on the side of Britain. The head of Chicago's police censorship board, Metallus Lucullus Cicero Funkhouser, confiscated the film at the behest of the Justice department on grounds that it generated hostility toward Britain. Goldstein trimmed the offending scenes and received federal approval to continue the Chicago run; but the film premiered in Los Angeles a few months later with the deleted scenes restored. After an investigation, the government concluded that Goldstein's action constituted "aiding and abetting the German enemy", and seized the film once again.

Goldstein was charged in federal court with violating the Espionage Act. At trial, the U.S. prosecutor argued that as the war effort demanded total Allied support, Goldstein's film was seditious on its face. Goldstein was convicted on charges of attempted incitement to riot and to cause insubordination, disloyalty, and mutiny by U.S. soldiers then in uniform as well as prospective recruits, and he was sentenced to 10 years in prison. Implications were made throughout the trial that Goldstein was a German spy, although no evidence was presented in support of that accusation.[4] The judgment was later upheld by an appellate court. Goldstein's attorneys were unable to argue for protection under the First Amendment because the Supreme Court had ruled in 1915 that movies lacked such protection.[2] (That ruling was overturned in 1952.) His sentence was later commuted to three years by President Wilson.[5]

Aftermath[edit]

After his release from jail, Goldstein tried and failed to re-establish himself as a filmmaker in the Netherlands, Switzerland, Italy, and England (which refused him a visa). Eventually he landed in Germany, where he was equally unsuccessful. His biographer, Anthony Slide, could locate no communications from him after 1935, and thought it likely that he perished in a Nazi concentration camp;[6] but after Slide's book was published a telegram, sent from New York City in 1938, was discovered. In it, Goldstein referred to "my enforced return [to the U.S.], three years ago..." suggesting that the Germans had deported him in 1935. His fate subsequent to 1938 is unknown.[7]

Schenck v. United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schenck_v._United_States)

Some were hanged at the time. They were denounced as "anarchists" though in all actuality they were closer to socialists than anything.

Christian Liberty
11-28-2013, 01:37 AM
Thank you:)

kcchiefs6465
11-28-2013, 01:40 AM
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kcchiefs6465
11-28-2013, 01:58 AM
Victor Burger was the publisher of several German newspapers in Wisconsin. Because of the anti-war editorials featured in these newspapers, Burger was convicted in 1918 under the Espionage Act and sentenced to twenty years in federal prison. Even so, the people of Wisconsin elected him to the House of Representatives that same year. However, the Congress refused to seat him. Once again the people elected him in the special election held to fill his vacant seat, but Congress would not have him. It would seem that voters' opinions mattered very little in this Progressive "democracy" of ours. The Supreme Court overturned his sentenced in 1921, and Burger went on to be elected another three terms in Congress, where he sat with those whose blindness had rejected him.
Theodore and Woodrow by Judge Napolitano. All of the rights to him.

The chapter, "Propaganda and Espionage" is a great starter to US history within the Progressive Era especially considering WWI.

Tywysog Cymru
11-28-2013, 08:45 AM
Britain gets more authoritarian by the day, now it's time for Welsh Independence. Cymru am Byth!