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Christian Liberty
11-19-2013, 10:36 AM
http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/10/02/end-of-the-silk-road-fbi-busts-the-webs-biggest-anonymous-drug-black-market/
(http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/10/02/end-of-the-silk-road-fbi-busts-the-webs-biggest-anonymous-drug-black-market/)
I know this story is about six weeks old. Now, I'm no fan of selling drugs, but this is nonetheless insane.

This was the scariest part:


“This is supposed to be some invisible black market bazaar. We made it visible,” says an FBI spokesperson (https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?url=http%3A%2F%2Fonforb.es%2F16ltug4&text=%22This+is+supposed+to+be+some+invisible+blac k+market+bazaar.+We+made+it+visible%22+-+FBI+spokesperson+on+Silk+Road+), who asked not to be named. “When you interviewed [Ulbricht], he said he would never be arrested. But no one is beyond the reach of the FBI. We will find you.”


Well, I'm glad he doesn't want to be named! He should be ashamed!

That said, I find the fact that they think "Nobody" is beyond the reach of the FBI to be terrifying. That should terrify everyone. They are making themselves out to be gods.

aGameOfThrones
11-19-2013, 11:06 AM
http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/10/02/end-of-the-silk-road-fbi-busts-the-webs-biggest-anonymous-drug-black-market/
(http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/10/02/end-of-the-silk-road-fbi-busts-the-webs-biggest-anonymous-drug-black-market/)
I know this story is about six weeks old. Now, I'm no fan of selling drugs, but this is nonetheless insane.

This was the scariest part:



Well, I'm glad he doesn't want to be named! He should be ashamed!

That said, I find the fact that they think "Nobody" is beyond the reach of the FBI to be terrifying. That should terrify everyone. They are making themselves out to be gods.

Not if you have nothing to hide or are doing anything wrong.

Christian Liberty
11-19-2013, 11:14 AM
Not if you have nothing to hide or are doing anything wrong.

With 3,000+ Federal laws, everyone has "Something to hide."

I'm guessing you're being sarcastic, but I hate when someone seriously says sometyhing like that.

Acala
11-19-2013, 11:19 AM
Noone is beyond the reach of the FBI. Except the banks. And Israeli spies. And politicians. And all their friends.

evilfunnystuff
11-19-2013, 11:46 AM
They didnt seem to want to be invisible, just the opposite actualy.

They only wanted to be hard to locate and identify.

mczerone
11-19-2013, 11:51 AM
FYI - Silk Road 2 went live last week or so. There's a new Dread Pirate Roberts, and new security features.

Note also that there haven't been major busts of dealers/buyers of the original Silk Road, even though the FBI claims to have a complete copy of the servers. They went for a figurehead, not realizing that the 21st century is the century of the hydra.

dannno
11-19-2013, 11:52 AM
So are they saying they would have caught him if he didn't have somebody trying to blackmail him with his vendor list and then going to a federal agent to make a hit?

I thought Silk Road 2(s) was/were open already?

surf
11-19-2013, 12:43 PM
I know they are still making arrests (pulled a guy from a local hotel last week).

not too familiar w/silk road, but it doesn't sound like fraud occurs, so what's the problem again?

Christian Liberty
11-19-2013, 12:46 PM
Because the drugs are "illegal" (and I doubt taxes were paid) and the sheep don't actually care that the trades were consensual

FunkBuddha
11-19-2013, 01:25 PM
Regarding the "Dread Pirate Roberts". From Wikipedia.


A pirate of near-mythical reputation, the Dread Pirate Roberts is feared across the seven seas for his ruthlessness and swordfighting prowess, and is well known for taking no prisoners.
It is revealed during the course of the story that Roberts is not one man, but a series of individuals who periodically pass the name and reputation to a chosen successor. Everyone except the successor and the former Roberts is then released at a convenient port, and a new crew is hired. The former Roberts stays aboard as first mate, referring to his successor as "Captain Roberts", and thereby establishing the new Roberts' persona. After the crew is convinced, the former Roberts leaves the ship and retires on his earnings.

DamianTV
11-19-2013, 01:30 PM
In regards to the quote in the first post, they're partially correct. At least about them "making the black market", not so much about "making the black market visible".

Many of us here may not agree with Drunk Driving Laws, but we understand the perspective by which the process happens. Crime created the Laws. Drunk Driving Laws were created because people behaved irresponsibly by driving drunk and people got hurt.

In the case of Drugs, Laws created the Crime, not the other way around.

dannno
11-19-2013, 02:16 PM
Regarding the "Dread Pirate Roberts". From Wikipedia.

Ya that is very interesting to me, I'd love to know how many, if any, they had before this guy.. Cause it could have been somebody else originally who held it together well and maybe if this guy was 1 or 2 or 3 successors down the line at some point perhaps the training was not done very well and there was a slip up that cause all the ruckus with the vendor list.

Icymudpuppy
11-19-2013, 07:32 PM
The real Dread Pirate Roberts has been retired since 1972 and is living like a King in Patagonia. The second Dread Pirate Roberts real name was Cumberbund. The Third was Ryan. The Fourth was Wesley (1985-1987). The fifth was Indigo Montoya.

That's all I know of the secession. ;)

trey4sports
11-19-2013, 07:38 PM
so Silk Road 2 went live? Does it have better ways to make transactions anonymous? The stuff sold on Silk Road is really just disgusting but it alwys brings a smile to my face when technology proves to be more powerful than the state.

Christian Liberty
02-13-2014, 11:42 PM
The real Dread Pirate Roberts has been retired since 1972 and is living like a King in Patagonia. The second Dread Pirate Roberts real name was Cumberbund. The Third was Ryan. The Fourth was Wesley (1985-1987). The fifth was Indigo Montoya.

That's all I know of the secession. ;)

Obviously you're the next Dread Pirate Roberts;)

In all seriousness though, WRT the Dread Pirate Roberts (the real life one, not the Princess Bride one)

http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/08/14/meet-the-dread-pirate-roberts-the-man-behind-booming-black-market-drug-website-silk-road/

I have to say that a huge part of me admires this guy, despite the fact that I don't believe in the drug trade. He's obviously deliberately avoided any trade in things that actually have a victim, such as child pornography. Since he was, at least for the period of time before he got arrested, untouchable, he could have done that stuff, but he didn't. He operated within the NAP. He hated the State... probably even more so than I do. And... for a long time he got rich right under the State's nose. He wasn't just taking advantage of the system, he was philosophically opposed to the system, and did his part to bring it down.

In my book, he's more of a hero than every soldier or cop ever. And that's despite the fact that I morally disagree with the drug trade.

Dogsoldier
02-14-2014, 01:54 AM
Won't be the last website to do such a thing. Probably 20 right now doing the exact same thing.

Weston White
02-14-2014, 03:54 AM
Wait now, so the TOR Project was originally funded by the U.S. Naval Research Laboratory and now several years thereafter the entire federal government points primarily to Tor Websites as a call for taking total control over the Internet? Hegelian much?