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phill4paul
11-18-2013, 07:05 AM
Indiana: City Threatens $2500 Fines for Challenging Traffic Tickets

Lawyer sues traffic and parking courts in Indianapolis, Indiana over threatened $2500 penalty for contesting a ticket in court.

Motorists who receive minor parking or traffic tickets in Indianapolis, Indiana are being threatened with fines of up to $2500 if they attempt to take the ticket to court. A local attorney with the firm Roberts and Bishop was so outraged by what he saw in Marion County traffic court that he filed a class action suit yesterday seeking to have the practice banned as unconstitutional.

"The deck is stacked against the motorist," lawyer Paul K. Ogden wrote. "To penalize that person for seeking justice seems wrong. I know it is done for the purpose of discouraging baseless challenges to tickets and clogging the docket, but in the process you are also penalizing people who have a legitimate defense and want a chance to present it to the court."

The city made explicit the threat of additional fines for challenging parking tickets in a November 30 press release announcing a deal between Indianapolis and a private firm, T2 Systems, to hand over operations of a parking ticket court to increase municipal income.

"Using Six Sigma process improvement strategies, it is estimated that under this program the city may collect an additional $352,000 to $520,000 in parking citation revenue over the next 12 months," the city press release stated. "If citations are not paid prior to their scheduled hearing, the city may request a fine of up to $2500 per citation. Upon receiving a judgment for an unpaid citation, individuals responsible could be subject to collections actions or having their vehicle registration suspended."

In traffic court, Judge William Young has been making good on the threats by routinely siding with police officers in disputes and imposing fines of up to $500 on anyone who challenges a moving violation ticket, no matter how minor, and loses. Those who pay without going to court do not face this extra fine.

"Unfortunately what you have happen a lot of times is that judges aren't particularly worried about whether what they're doing may be violating the law as the odds of someone ever appealing a $400 traffic ticket is remote," Ogden wrote. "I see it all the time. Trial judges flouting the law knowing they are unlikely to ever be challenged on an appeal because the litigants can't afford it."

Ogden is specifically representing three motorists affected by court policies. Toshinao Ishii received a ticket for driving 63 MPH in a 55 zone in February. Had he paid the ticket without challenge, the fine would have been $150. After Judge Young sided with the police officer in court, Ishii was fined $550. Motorist Matthew Stone was told by his doctors not to wear a seatbelt over his chest as it could damage his cardiac pacemaker. He received a $25 ticket for wearing his seatbelt "improperly." After reading that he would face a $500 fine, Stone gave up his intention of challenging the citation. Adam Lenkowsky, who did not receive a ticket, attempted to attend a traffic court proceeding on September 23, 2009. He was barred from the court, despite the state constitutional requirement that court proceedings be open.

Ogden argues the court's practices in the first two cases violate the excessive fines clause of the state constitution as well as the clause requiring that "all penalties shall be proportioned to the nature of the offense."

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/29/2985.asp

tod evans
11-18-2013, 07:12 AM
Dear Judge Fudrucker,

Would you please not extort any more money from your constituents?




Somehow I don't see this getting any traction.

Roger Pion however...........

ClydeCoulter
11-18-2013, 07:42 AM
I hope this gets a lot of traction. They're messing in my territory.

tod evans
11-18-2013, 07:50 AM
I hope this gets a lot of traction. They're messing in my territory.

I hope so too.

Reality however...

HOLLYWOOD
11-18-2013, 08:54 AM
Charging to challenge the "JUST-US" system? Okay then, All taxes/fees are no longer required by the state citizens... no more paying for their(elitist oppressors/dictators) salaries, benefits, and retirements.

donnay
11-18-2013, 08:58 AM
Extortion is extortion is extortion.

Just us!

jdmyprez_deo_vindice
11-18-2013, 09:43 AM
It just get worse by the day. I have spent so much time wondering if i can do anything to help save this nation but anymore I spend more time just wondering if it is even worth it to just keep living.

tod evans
11-18-2013, 09:49 AM
It just get worse by the day. I have spent so much time wondering if i can do anything to help save this nation but anymore I spend more time just wondering if it is even worth it to just keep living.

Try to imagine dragging the perpetrators of these edicts onto the public square by the napes of their pencil-necks for school children to pelt with rotten fruit...

That should lift your spirits...

Icymudpuppy
11-18-2013, 09:52 AM
It just get worse by the day. I have spent so much time wondering if i can do anything to help save this nation but anymore I spend more time just wondering if it is even worth it to just keep living.

I gave up on saving the system. I still participate a little, but the passion is gone. Now I'm just double checking to make sure my escape plans are up to snuff.

donnay
11-18-2013, 10:01 AM
It just get worse by the day. I have spent so much time wondering if i can do anything to help save this nation but anymore I spend more time just wondering if it is even worth it to just keep living.


We are living in some interesting times, no doubt. I also feel blessed to be living in such interesting times. In the end, it is worth it to me.

ZENemy
11-18-2013, 10:24 AM
Viable solutions are impossible from within the system, because the system is the problem.

Scrapmo
11-18-2013, 11:28 AM
I gave up on saving the system. I still participate a little, but the passion is gone. Now I'm just double checking to make sure my escape plans are up to snuff.

Ditto. We are past the point of saving.

Athan
11-18-2013, 12:28 PM
I hope this gets a lot of traction. They're messing in my territory.
Seems ripe for revolution in your fields, bro.

LibForestPaul
11-18-2013, 06:01 PM
It just get worse by the day. I have spent so much time wondering if i can do anything to help save this nation but anymore I spend more time just wondering if it is even worth it to just keep living.
why do you want a superpower? why not 8,11, or 14 independt provinces?
The hell with red white and blue, time for some yellow black and green.