Court says DHS must Disclose 'Internet Kill Switch'

[Matt Collins]

"The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) must disclose its plans for a so-called Internet 'kill switch,' (http://freebeacon.com/court-homeland-security-must-disclose-internet-kill-switch/) a federal court ruled on Tuesday. The United States District Court for the District of Columbia rejected the agency's arguments that its protocols surrounding an Internet kill switch were exempt from public disclosure and ordered the agency to release the records in 30 days. However, the court left the door open for the agency to appeal the ruling."


Source: http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/11/14/1550221/court-homeland-security-must-disclose-internet-kill-switch

[acptulsa]

However, the court left the door open for the agency to appeal the ruling.

So much for thirty days. Make that next October at the soonest.

[Contumacious]

"The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) must disclose its plans for a so-called Internet 'kill switch,' (http://freebeacon.com/court-homeland-security-must-disclose-internet-kill-switch/) a federal court ruled on Tuesday. The United States District Court for the District of Columbia rejected the agency's arguments that its protocols surrounding an Internet kill switch were exempt from public disclosure and ordered the agency to release the records in 30 days. However, the court left the door open for the agency to appeal the ruling."


Source: http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/11/14/1550221/court-homeland-security-must-disclose-internet-kill-switch

I don't think an internet kill switch will work in the US. Specially for those near the Mexico & Canada borders. Hopefully 17 y/o kids are working on software to completely annul DHS.

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[CPUd]

U CAN'T KILL WHAT WON'T DIE


http://i.imgur.com/ph8giMR.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/farufcx.jpg

[JK/SEA]

ok...what the?...

here:

''shutting down wireless networks to prevent the remote detonation of bombs.''

[tangent4ronpaul]

"The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) must disclose its plans for a so-called Internet 'kill switch,' (http://freebeacon.com/court-homeland-security-must-disclose-internet-kill-switch/) a federal court ruled on Tuesday. The United States District Court for the District of Columbia rejected the agency's arguments that its protocols surrounding an Internet kill switch were exempt from public disclosure and ordered the agency to release the records in 30 days. However, the court left the door open for the agency to appeal the ruling."


Source: http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/11/14/1550221/court-homeland-security-must-disclose-internet-kill-switch

Perhaps you should click through next time before sounding like Alex Jones...

http://freebeacon.com/court-homeland-security-must-disclose-internet-kill-switch/

The Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) is seeking “Standard Operating Procedure 303,” also known as the “Internet kill switch” from Homeland Security. The protocols govern shutting down wireless networks to prevent the remote detonation of bombs.

-t

[Contumacious]

Perhaps you should click through next time before sounding like Alex Jones...

http://freebeacon.com/court-homeland-security-must-disclose-internet-kill-switch/

The Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) is seeking “Standard Operating Procedure 303,” also known as the “Internet kill switch” from Homeland Security. The protocols govern shutting down wireless networks to prevent the remote detonation of bombs.

-t

Yeah, right, I believe it

The road to hell is paved with good intentions...............

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[tod evans]

Because, you know, remotely detonated bombs are a regular occurrence..:rolleyes:

Our government keeping us "safe"...

Best part is these jokers aren't elected so they'll keep on truckin' regardless of who's in office.

[Natural Citizen]

The United States District Court for the District of Columbia rejected (http://epic.org/foia/EPICvDHS-SOP303-Opinion.pdf) the agency’s arguments that its protocols surrounding an Internet kill switch were exempt from public disclosure and ordered the agency to release the records in 30 days.

http://epic.org/foia/EPICvDHS-SOP303-Opinion.pdf

[Root]

Perhaps you should click through next time before sounding like Alex Jones...

http://freebeacon.com/court-homeland-security-must-disclose-internet-kill-switch/

The Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) is seeking “Standard Operating Procedure 303,” also known as the “Internet kill switch” from Homeland Security. The protocols govern shutting down wireless networks to prevent the remote detonation of bombs.

-t
Oh sure, it's not like fedgov has never lied to us before. Which wireless networks? 3/4G, wifi, microwave?

[Matt Collins]

Perhaps you should click through next time before sounding like Alex Jones...
-tEPIC is a respectable organization. AJ is not.

[Working Poor]

Do ya'll think that the geeks would let DHS kill the internet? I think they could take it back from the DHS in a heart beat.

[tangent4ronpaul]

For the whole network? If Mae East and West went offline, there would be a severe impact on Internet traffic. The Internet used to be able to route around a nuclear war. Then the small ISP's got Borged. Then everything went through company network monitoring centers and things started happening like some yahoo with a backhoe knocking out service to 5% f the population. Even though your packet only wanted to get 5 miles down the road, it had to go through Texas first...

NSA has taps and can hoover up almost all of US traffic. They are in the strategic choke points. If they wanted to shut down the Internet and the Telecommunications system, I'm sure they could. What about all these MRAT's they are gifting police forces with all over the US? In the sandbox, they had electronics that would jam cell phones for this very reason. Did that stuff get stripped out or passed on?

It's not like shutting down communications hasn't been done all over the middle east recently. Hell even a US city dit it a wile ago. SF? to stop flash mobs demonstrating against it's transit system.

-t

[ctiger2]

I'm looking fwd to one day soon when each person will have their own secure wi-fi broadband router in their own home which allows connection to others nearby allowing complete bypassing of even needing an ISP. There would be no singular failure point and no way to shut anything off. Perfect.

[Contumacious]

Do ya'll think that the geeks would let DHS kill the internet? I think they could take it back from the DHS in a heart beat.

Long live the geeks


Google-backed O3b launches satellites to offer Internet connectivity (http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9240352/Google_backed_O3b_launches_satellites_to_offer_Int ernet_connectivity)
O3b's medium-earth orbit satellites aim to provide low-latency and low-cost Internet connectivity

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[Contumacious]

For the whole network? If Mae East and West went offline, there would be a severe impact on Internet traffic. The Internet used to be able to route around a nuclear war. Then the small ISP's got Borged. Then everything went through company network monitoring centers and things started happening like some yahoo with a backhoe knocking out service to 5% f the population. Even though your packet only wanted to get 5 miles down the road, it had to go through Texas first...

NSA has taps and can hoover up almost all of US traffic. They are in the strategic choke points. If they wanted to shut down the Internet and the Telecommunications system, I'm sure they could. What about all these MRAT's they are gifting police forces with all over the US? In the sandbox, they had electronics that would jam cell phones for this very reason. Did that stuff get stripped out or passed on?

It's not like shutting down communications hasn't been done all over the middle east recently. Hell even a US city dit it a wile ago. SF? to stop flash mobs demonstrating against it's transit system.

-t

Android phones should have worked using WIFI

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[CPUd]

I'm looking fwd to one day soon when each person will have their own secure wi-fi broadband router in their own home which allows connection to others nearby allowing complete bypassing of even needing an ISP. There would be no singular failure point and no way to shut anything off. Perfect.



When tropical storms hit New York City, internet connectivity is often the first thing to go down. The next time it happens in the low-lying coastal community of Red Hook, Brooklyn, it will be a group of teenagers running something called a Wi-Fi Mesh Network that will come to the rescue--providing a model for a low-cost, community-built solution to the so-called Last Mile gaps that the massive telcos can’t (or won’t) bridge.

A year ago, a community organization called Red Hook Initiative (RHI) had just started a pilot program for a Red Hook Wi-Fi mesh. A “mesh network” is a system of inexpensive router nodes that beam Wi-Fi around above the streets for everyone to use, and even if the internet connection goes down, the mesh allows communication within its bounds. So while you can’t watch Netflix over a closed mesh network, you can still communicate with people in your vicinity--which is obviously crucial in emergency scenarios.

In the hurricane’s aftermath, RHI handed the reins of the Red Hook Wi-Fi mesh project to a new group calling themselves The Digital Stewards, comprised of eight 19- to 25-year-olds. Do we really want kids running our backup systems?


http://www.fastcolabs.com/3020680/how-to-build-a-low-cost-wifi-mesh-network-for-emergency-communication

[ZENemy]

http://www.fastcolabs.com/3020680/how-to-build-a-low-cost-wifi-mesh-network-for-emergency-communication

Im going to work on this! Thanks for the link.

[tangent4ronpaul]

I'm looking fwd to one day soon when each person will have their own secure wi-fi broadband router in their own home which allows connection to others nearby allowing complete bypassing of even needing an ISP. There would be no singular failure point and no way to shut anything off. Perfect.

It's a great idea! - just need someone to wrap it up in a box and make it easy for an average computer illiterate person to install and use. Then publicize the hell out of it, or ideally, sell it to the city council and chamber of commerce and work it that way. MeSH Nets have been trying to do this. They aren't that old, but they haven't been growing that rapidly. I think the lack of plug and play has something to do with this.

There are slightly more WiFi enabled devices in the US than the population. That includes, smart phones, tablets, etc. Only a third of US households are WiFi only.

http://www.ctia.org/advocacy/research/index.cfm/aid/10323

As to "no way to shut anything off", lets play devils advocate:

Got power?
The gvmt has a lot more powerful transmitters than you do. Jamming.
With this kind of a system, you are giving the government a data tap. Finding your signal would probably give them fits, but there are spoofing/man in the middle attacks.
(did I mention, that any such network should be encrypted?)
EMP
WiFi has a limited range. Granted, some better than others. Most are going to be fairly limited. There are geographical choke points in housing/pedestrians. Having to try to route around these would slow things down. Likewise, from a forest fighting standpoint, you could black out strips of housing to stop communication without pissing off most of the population. The power distribution system is ideally suited for this sort of thing.
There were experiments many years ago to inject viruses into data streams in flight. Extracting the content from said tream was old hat. This was more point to point, but... Could shut down a machine, act as a bug or do some other thing...

-t

[CPUd]

It's a great idea! - just need someone to wrap it up in a box and make it easy for an average computer illiterate person to install and use. Then publicize the hell out of it, or ideally, sell it to the city council and chamber of commerce and work it that way. MeSH Nets have been trying to do this. They aren't that old, but they haven't been growing that rapidly. I think the lack of plug and play has something to do with this.

There are slightly more WiFi enabled devices in the US than the population. That includes, smart phones, tablets, etc. Only a third of US households are WiFi only.

http://www.ctia.org/advocacy/research/index.cfm/aid/10323

As to "no way to shut anything off", lets play devils advocate:

Got power?
The gvmt has a lot more powerful transmitters than you do. Jamming.
With this kind of a system, you are giving the government a data tap. Finding your signal would probably give them fits, but there are spoofing/man in the middle attacks.
(did I mention, that any such network should be encrypted?)
EMP
WiFi has a limited range. Granted, some better than others. Most are going to be fairly limited. There are geographical choke points in housing/pedestrians. Having to try to route around these would slow things down. Likewise, from a forest fighting standpoint, you could black out strips of housing to stop communication without pissing off most of the population. The power distribution system is ideally suited for this sort of thing.
There were experiments many years ago to inject viruses into data streams in flight. Extracting the content from said tream was old hat. This was more point to point, but... Could shut down a machine, act as a bug or do some other thing...

-t

Security on these mesh nets is still a bit behind, but it is an area that is actively being worked on, so mesh nets are still vulnerable to bugs. How the topologies are defined is something that is further along than I originally thought, to the point where they can be dynamic, self-organizing systems. By now, they can incorporate things from the field of cognitive radio to route around local interference.

Some nodes are directional, where the bandwidth is higher, and the range is farther, but if someone knows where they are, they would be easy to take out. Those are the ones that would connect 2 neighborhoods together.

Microwave transmitters are also directional, and can go even farther than wifi, but they are microwave, and someone trying to find those could look at the power grid to see where they are drawing power from.

There is still old-school infrastructure that is in place, mostly forgotten about. The burglar/fire alarms used to run a direct line up to the telco switch, using what they called a dry pair line. These are circuit-switched, like the (even older) party lines, where you had to wait for the neighbor to get off the phone before you could use it. Real phone lines still have them, but now they are used for DSL. You can do the same with a dry pair. This article is from 2001, but if you live in the right places, you can still get access to one:
http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2001/pulpit_20010823_000703.html

[Peace&Freedom]

EPIC is a respectable organization. AJ is not.

Please. AJ's organization is respectable enough to have, years ago, originally documented government attempts to quietly create the internet kill switch, using "fighting terrorism" as cover. It apparently wanted to do this using the STUXNET virus as a false flag pretext, but since the origin of that worm was traceable to the West, have since shifted to the more vague notion of a general "wireless" threat:

http://www.infowars.com/stuxnet-false-flag-launched-for-web-takeover/

[Matt Collins]

Please. AJ's organization is respectable enough to have, years ago, originally documented government attempts to quietly create the internet kill switch, using "fighting terrorism" as cover.Yes, perhaps, the problem is that about half of what I've seen them put out, over the years, is absolute false inaccurate hyperbole. They are unreliable and untrustworthy as a credible news source.

[Peace&Freedom]

Yes, perhaps, the problem is that about half of what I've seen them put out, over the years, is absolute false inaccurate hyperbole. They are unreliable and untrustworthy as a credible news source.

The problem is actually that much of what Jones reports is consistently documented, but represents revealing the plans of the elite, and those plans and schedules often changed once they were exposed by his organization. Just because reliable sources Jones uses turn out to be inexact or shift as a result of the reporting doesn't make his reporting untrustworthy. In what sense is a protocol for shutting down the Internet hyperbole, if there is a protocol being prepared for shutting down the Internet?

[Matt Collins]

The problem is actually that much of what Jones reports is consistently documented, but represents revealing the plans of the elite, and those plans and schedules often changed once they were exposed by his organization. Just because reliable sources Jones uses turn out to be inexact or shift as a result of the reporting doesn't make his reporting untrustworthy. Uhh, not "inexact" but flat-out wrong, made up, leaps in logic, and hyperbole. There is a big difference between getting a few details wrong and just making stuff up which AJ does frequently (or at least used to).

[FindLiberty]

"The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) must disclose its plans for a so-called Internet 'kill switch,' (http://freebeacon.com/court-homeland-security-must-disclose-internet-kill-switch/) a federal court ruled on Tuesday. ... However, the court left the door open for the agency to appeal the ruling."

This is so easy, http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_do_you_figure_out_the_riddle_with_the_twins_on e_lies_and_one_tells_the_truth

[Peace&Freedom]

Uhh, not "inexact" but flat-out wrong, made up, leaps in logic, and hyperbole. There is a big difference between getting a few details wrong and just making stuff up which AJ does frequently (or at least used to).

To repeat, the reliable SOURCES may turn out to be wrong, as they describe a moving target that can reverse itself. If the elite modifies their plans due to a government document being exposed to the public by Jones, it doesn't mean he was making things up. And where are the sources for those constantly claiming AJ of being wrong? Sure seems to be a lot of accusing without proof going on around here.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Granted, Alex Jones is a theatrical showman, but he is no different from the other formulaic cable TV new shows that are entertaining. Jones' accuracy is no less than the hyperbole of other programs.

[MRK]

TV 'whitespaces' - the frequencies once used by TV analogue signals - can travel up to 10 kilometers, punching through concrete walls and carrying internet speeds of up to 2mbps.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/23/tech/innovation/microsoft-beams-internet-into-africa/index.html

Thank goodness the wise overlords at the FCC have banned mundanes from using them for sensible purposes. Only Africa should enjoy these benefits.

[Matt Collins]

To repeat, the reliable SOURCES may turn out to be wrong, as they describe a moving target that can reverse itself. If the elite modifies their plans due to a government document being exposed to the public by Jones, it doesn't mean he was making things up. And where are the sources for those constantly claiming AJ of being wrong? Sure seems to be a lot of accusing without proof going on around here.
Yeah that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about AJ & Co just flat out getting things wrong or making stuff up. I've seen it multiple times.

[Peace&Freedom]

No one is perfect, but the AJ attackers go out of their way, again without proving things with specifics, to trash his integrity EVERY chance they get. As I said years ago, the liberty movement has two main supports, the libertarian leg and the patriot leg, and it's totally unproductive for one leg to keep kicking the other in the shin. At a time when the government is preparing to kill switch the internet, taking digs at one of the main messengers on our side is petty majoring in the minors.