Kirsten Lombard - Agenda 21/Sustainable Development Talk

[Bryan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22GlpQjy_94
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22GlpQjy_94

(just saw this-- watching now...)

[A Son of Liberty]

Thanks for posting this, Bryan.

[ClydeCoulter]

Oh crap, these "Conservation Easements" are down right evil!

[FrankRep]

I would like to see RonPaulForums.com take more of an interest in fighting Agenda 21/ICLEI.

[jim49er]

I also loved that vid of her at Wisconsin Gun Appreciation Day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBqgFzZG7KA

[pcosmar]

I would like to see RonPaulForums.com take more of an interest in fighting Agenda 21/ICLEI.

Many of us have posted about it in the past..
Mostly we were ignored at Conspiracy Theorists,, or we were over blowing an insignificant NGO paper.

A couple have even argued in favor of it. :(

[idiom]

I never really thought of this as a conspiracy theory, more as a 'too stupid to be real'. Like Calvinism. Sure some people at the top believe, but nobody else is dumb enough to buy into it.

[FrankRep]

I never really thought of this as a conspiracy theory, more as a 'too stupid to be real'. Like Calvinism. Sure some people at the top believe, but nobody else is dumb enough to buy into it.

Agenda 21 is not a Conspiracy Theory. The UN has tons of official documents (http://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/content/documents/Agenda21.pdf) on it.


Agenda 21: How Will It Affect You? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTE-3Fl7wgg)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTE-3Fl7wgg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTE-3Fl7wgg

[eduardo89]

Don't know a lot about Agenda 21, but I do support 'sustainable development,' densification, TOD, and New Urbanism.

The one person at CATO I absolutely cannot stand is Randal O'Toole for his stances and idiotic rantings against those.

[LibertyEagle]

I never really thought of this as a conspiracy theory, more as a 'too stupid to be real'. Like Calvinism. Sure some people at the top believe, but nobody else is dumb enough to buy into it.

Are you kidding? It is being implemented all across the United States.

[LibertyEagle]

Don't know a lot about Agenda 21, but I do support 'sustainable development,' densification, TOD, and New Urbanism.

The one person at CATO I absolutely cannot stand is Randal O'Toole for his stances and idiotic rantings against those.

You need to read up on what you are supporting. I don't think you will, after you do.

[jim49er]

Don't know a lot about Agenda 21, but I do support 'sustainable development,' densification, TOD, and New Urbanism.

The one person at CATO I absolutely cannot stand is Randal O'Toole for his stances and idiotic rantings against those.

You need to learn more about this stuff.

[eduardo89]

You need to read up on what you are supporting. I don't think you will, after you do.

No, I'm pretty sure I support them.

[FrankRep]

No, I'm pretty sure I support them.

I support Free-Market Environmentalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-market_environmentalism), but the Federal Government/United Nations uses Environmentalism as a tool for control and I have a problem with that.

[eduardo89]

I support Free-Market Environmentalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-market_environmentalism), but the Federal Government/United Nations uses Environmentalism as a tool for control and I have a problem with that.

When did I say anything about that? I don't support UN/Fed/State government mandated urbanism policies but I certainly do support New Urbanist principles, densification, transit orientated development, and I absolutely detest urban sprawl.

[FrankRep]

When did I say anything about that? I don't support UN/Fed/State government mandated urbanism policies but I certainly do support New Urbanist principles, densification, transit orientated development, and I absolutely detest urban sprawl.

Flashback:


Don't know a lot about Agenda 21, but I do support 'sustainable development,' ...

Agenda 21 is a United Nations program for Environmentalism and Sustainable Development. Be careful about you say you support.

[Natural Citizen]

Don't know a lot about Agenda 21, but I do support 'sustainable development,' densification, TOD, and New Urbanism.


This right here is how you separate the troops in the political arena.

[eduardo89]

Agenda 21 is a United Nations program for Environmentalism and Sustainable Development. Be careful about you say you support.

I support universal healthcare, that doesn't mean I support single-payer or Obamacare...

I support sustainable development, but I don't support it mandated by UN and government.

[FrankRep]

I support universal healthcare, that doesn't mean I support single-payer or Obamacare...

I support sustainable development, but I don't support it mandated by UN and government.

You're using very vague terms that have loaded general meanings, you need to explicitly define what you are talking about.

[eduardo89]

You're using very vague terms that have loaded general meanings, you need to explicitly define what you are talking about.

By sustainable development I mean development that take into account its environmental impact, is as self-sustaining in terms of energy production, waste management, as well as resource use and uses land to the highest possible efficiency.

I like New Urbanism, and I do believe that in a free market in which consumers demand ethical, sustainable, and environmentally conscious business practices on the part of real estate developers we would see development take that form. If you look at the way European cities developed over hundreds of years with almost non-existent centralised urban planning policy and land use regulations we get essentially what New Urbanism proponents advocate in a city's built form.

[pcosmar]

Are you kidding? It is being implemented all across the United States.

Exactly. It is a clear and present danger.
One might even say a done deal. It is so entrenched,, and codified in laws, that it would be difficult to remove at this point.

It is not something that is coming.. it is already here.

http://www.state.gov/e/oes/sus/
http://www.epa.gov/sustainability/
http://www.usda.gov/oce/sustainable/
http://www.fsis.usda.gov/wps/portal/fsis/topics/international-affairs/us-codex-alimentarius
http://www.usoas.usmission.gov/development/susdev.html

It is not "coming". It is here.

[donnay]

Yep it's here and they have been using the Delphi-technique (http://www.keepourrights.org/delphi.htm) to further their agenda in every town, city and state.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV5J2AxviWU

[pathtofreedom]

Agenda 21 is my view a distraction, it is designed to create partisanship between the right and left. More over Agenda 21 has the effect of attaching "sustainable" and "environmentalism" to the United Nations, so that whenever people think of "sustainable development" they think of some sort of NWO or UN plot. For example if a city decides to build a bike path or decides to change land regulations, people will oppose it instantly and think that it is a NWO plot. The debate about it is controlled both sides of the debate are bought by the same people, the Rockefellers funds pro-agenda 21 stuff through the Rockefeller foundation and anti-agenda 21 stuff through Exxon Mobil and Chevron. Agenda 21 itself has been continually blocked and programs in it are often implemented without Agenda 21.

[Snew]

By sustainable development I mean development that take into account its environmental impact, is as self-sustaining in terms of energy production, waste management, as well as resource use and uses land to the highest possible efficiency.

I like New Urbanism, and I do believe that in a free market in which consumers demand ethical, sustainable, and environmentally conscious business practices on the part of real estate developers we would see development take that form. If you look at the way European cities developed over hundreds of years with almost non-existent centralised urban planning policy and land use regulations we get essentially what New Urbanism proponents advocate in a city's built form.

I get what you're saying, and I generally agree with it. Instead of New Urbanism, I prefer a type of "old urbanism." Just like those European cities you described. It's the epitome of a decentralized system; a free market. Of course, the government didn't have a part in this.

There's a difference between the government mandating people to live in a certain way or place (which I most definitely oppose) and real, voluntary, sustainable development that builds cities that last centuries (true sustainability). The current system of sprawl and the addiction to the automobile has roots in the government's policies of about a century ago. A truly free market would create cities built for people-- like the Old City of Jerusalem, or the ancient Peruvian city of Cusco.

[pathtofreedom]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streetcar_suburb
We need more cities and towns like this, with traditional styles and mixed usage.