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DamianTV
11-05-2013, 03:43 AM
http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-replica-guns-20131105,0,6522365.story#axzz2jkWz2xIU


SAN FRANCISCO — Andy Lopez was walking to a friend's home on the outskirts of Santa Rosa when a sheriff's deputy shot and killed him, mistaking the eighth-grader's plastic BB gun for an assault weapon.

The afternoon killing of the bright, popular 13-year-old has spurred almost daily protests and nightly candlelight vigils in Santa Rosa, a community known as a gateway to the wine country, with stately Victorians on quiet, tree-shaded streets and edgier enclaves pockmarked with gang graffiti.

As the FBI and Santa Rosa police investigate the Oct. 22 killing, some community leaders are talking to lawmakers about finding ways to deter such shootings, which occur with disturbing frequency across the country when police mistake plastic guns for lethal weapons.

"There are so many kids running around with these things that it is almost inevitable there will be additional shootings in the future," said Dan Reeves, chief of staff to state Sen. Kevin de León (D-Los Angeles).

De León carried a bill in 2011 at the behest of Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck to require BB guns be painted bright colors. It followed an LAPD officer's shooting of a teenager who had an airsoft pistol, a replica of a Beretta handgun.

The 13-year-old Los Angeles boy, who was shot while playing with friends in Glassell Park, was left a paraplegic. A jury last year ordered the city to pay him $24 million in damages.

In lobbying for a change in the law, Beck showed Reeves two guns — one a real Beretta, the other designed for children to look like the real thing. Beck laid them on the table and challenged Reeves to pick the real one.

A similar scene played out in Santa Rosa several days ago, when authorities demonstrated the likeness between the plastic gun Andy carried and a real AK-47.

In both cases, the replicas looked eerily like the real weapons.

Andy's gun belonged to a friend, and he was on his way to return it, his parents have said. He was wearing shorts and a navy blue sweat shirt. Two Sonoma County sheriff's deputies spotted him from behind. The deputies put on the patrol car's red light and chirped its siren.

Deputy Erick Gelhaus, a 24-year veteran of the office, was in the passenger seat. He jumped out of the car and twice ordered the boy to drop the gun, according to a witness. The boy began to turn around, still clutching the plastic gun, and Gelhaus fired eight rounds.

After the shooting, Gelhaus handcuffed Andy and began CPR. He did not immediately realize Andy was a boy and kept referring to him as "the man," Santa Rosa Police Lt. Paul Henry said.

Gelhaus had never before intentionally shot someone while on sheriff's duty — he once accidentally discharged a firearm — nor had he ever used force that led to a death, said Terry Leoni, his lawyer.

"He is very emotional about this incident," Leoni said. He and the other deputy at the scene believed the gun was an AK-47, which can fire at least 100 rounds a minute, she said.

A federal wrongful-death lawsuit filed Monday by Andy's parents said Gelhaus had twice pointed guns at people in the past without provocation and once shot himself in the leg. Calling the boy's killing "a senseless and unwarranted act of police abuse," the suit said Gelhaus failed to identify himself as a police officer before shooting and issued only one command to drop the gun. Henry said Gelhaus could not remember whether he identified himself.

Gelhaus told investigators that Andy was raising the gun as he turned to face the deputies. Leoni said the deputies estimated the boy was at least 5-foot-5 and 140 pounds. Andy's parents said he was 5-foot-3.

Gelhaus is a field training officer and Iraq veteran who provided firearms instruction for the county and for private clients. His previous assignments for the sheriff's office included gang violence suppression and narcotics enforcement.

Andy, who wanted to be a Marine or a boxer, died at the scene, about a block from his home. He was one of four children of Mexican immigrants who lived in a mobile home. His heavily Latino working-class neighborhood had experienced gang shootings.

The 2011 De León bill would have required the kind of gun Andy carried to be painted in a bright color. It never made it out of an Assembly committee.

De León eventually won passage of a measure that exempted Los Angeles County from a state law that prohibits local governments from regulating guns. A proposed Los Angeles city ordinance that would permit the sale of BB guns and other imitation firearms only if they are brightly colored is now being drafted by the city attorney's office and may be introduced later this year.

Since Andy's death, De León's office has been in contact with leaders in Santa Rosa and surrounding communities to explore another attempt at statewide regulation.

The gun industry has opposed further regulation, and even some members of law enforcement have criticized efforts to require BB guns to be neon colored. They argue that the plastic replicas could be misconstrued as harmless even though BBs and pellets can inflict serious injury.

Before introducing another measure, De León's office is trying to put together a coalition, including police chiefs, to overcome industry opposition and legislative reluctance. Gov. Jerry Brown, a gun owner, tends to be skeptical of gun regulations.

Carrying a pellet or BB gun that looks like a real weapon in public is punishable as an infraction in California, and the guns may not be purchased legally by anyone younger than 18. Federal law requires some pellet guns to have orange tips, but they can be removed. The one Andy carried had no tip, and the LAPD officer who shot the boy in Glassell Park said he didn't see the orange plug.

Though no one knows how often officers mistake plastic replicas for lethal weapons, rarely a year goes by without a report of an incident. A 1990 Department of Justice study found at least five instances a month in the prior five years of officers using force in the mistaken belief that an imitation gun was real. Now all toy guns that do not shoot projectiles must be produced in bright colors.

Anthony Sperl, 54, a former Stanton police officer, said he can never forget March 3, 1983, the day he shot and killed a 5-year-old boy who pointed a toy gun at him in a darkened room. The boy, Patrick Mason, clutched Sperl's leg and looked into his face as he died, a hole in his neck gushing blood.

Sperl, a rookie at the time, never returned to law enforcement. Years after the shooting, he tried unsuccessfully to find the boy's mother, who moved to Chicago. He makes a living in real estate and runs a nonprofit foundation in Los Angeles for animals, providing free neutering and spaying.

"There isn't a day that I don't think about Patrick Mason," the former officer said in an interview last week. "There is not a day that goes by that I don't think of him."

aGameOfThrones
11-05-2013, 04:19 AM
Yeah, fuck that he was just walking and minding his own damn business while not doing anything illegal, fuck that.

And WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Anthony Sperl, 54, a former Stanton police officer, said he can never forget March 3, 1983, the day he shot and killed a 5-year-old boy who pointed a toy gun at him in a darkened room. The boy, Patrick Mason, clutched Sperl's leg and looked into his face as he died, a hole in his neck gushing blood.

What kind of a fucking piece of shit shoots a 5 year old? They had those "no hesitation" posters back then too.

tod evans
11-05-2013, 05:55 AM
Sane, rational people never pull a firearm around children........Never!

These idiots trying to place blame anywhere but where it belongs are sick.

juvanya
11-05-2013, 06:16 AM
Sane, rational people never pull a firearm around children........Never!
Thats a really good point.


Gov. Jerry Brown, a gun owner, tends to be skeptical of gun regulations.
HAHAHAHAHA

aGameOfThrones
11-05-2013, 09:14 PM
F**k the police bump.

Sometimes I like to censor myself.

Lucille
11-05-2013, 10:23 PM
Cop control now!

Danke
11-05-2013, 11:05 PM
Yeah, fuck that he was just walking and minding his own damn business while not doing anything illegal, fuck that.

And WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



What kind of a fucking piece of shit shoots a 5 year old? They had those "no hesitation" posters back then too.

Officer safety. Not really here to protect and serve, the are our overlords now.

tod evans
11-24-2013, 01:14 PM
Oh goody!

These brain surgeons are writing more legislation...

I suppose it hasn't dawned on them that their legislation has caused the problem in the first place.



California lawmakers seek to ban imitation firearms

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/11/24/california-lawmakers-seek-to-ban-imitation-firearms/

SANTA ROSA, Calif. – California lawmakers want to ban the manufacture and sale of imitation firearms like the one a 13-year-old boy was carrying when he was fatally shot by a Sonoma County sheriff's deputy last month.
Legislation announced Friday would require BB, pellet and airsoft guns to be translucent or brightly colored so they're not mistaken for real firearms, according to the Santa Rosa Press Democrat.
State and local officials announced the new legislative effort one month after a deputy shot and killed Andy Lopez. Deputy Erick Gelhaus reportedly mistook the boy's BB gun for a real assault rifle.
On Friday, dozens of protesters marched from Santa Rosa City Hall to the Hall of Justice, chanting slogans and carrying signs urging District Attorney Jill Ravitch to charge Gelhaus with murder, the newspaper reported.
California law already bars imitation firearms like the one Lopez carried from being displayed in public unless the weapon meets color guidelines
The bill announced Friday is co-authored by state Sen. Noreen Evans, D-Santa Rosa, and Sen. Kevin de Le≤n, D-Los Angeles. It's also sponsored by state Assembly members Wes Chesbro, D-Arcata, Marc Levine, D-San Rafael, and Mariko Yamada, D-Davis.
"A toy should look like a toy. It should not look like a lethal weapon," Evans said.
State lawmakers plan to introduce the proposal in January when the new legislative session begins.
In 2011, de Le≤n introduced similar legislation after police shot and paralyzed a 13-year-old Los Angeles boy carrying a BB gun modeled after a real handgun.
But that bill stalled in committee after running into resistance from gun manufacturers and the gun lobby, which likened the restrictions to a ban. Critics argued the proposal could motivate criminals to paint their firearms to look like imitations.
De Le≤n called the teen's death a "watershed moment" for the country. He said the legislation would allow "law enforcement to make rational, wise, split-second decisions when they are in that type of situation."

Root
11-24-2013, 01:34 PM
What's the over/under on as soon as that pig shot that kid, the first thing he did was to rip out the orange tip with his leatherman?

pcosmar
11-24-2013, 01:44 PM
And just what do you expect..?
Limits on Police.? Rules of Engagement?




These idiots trying to place blame anywhere but where it belongs are sick.

They are trying to deflect from the real problem,, the Police.

Mad dogs need to be caged,, or put on a very short leash.

LibForestPaul
11-24-2013, 02:40 PM
Is it legal for a 13 year old in California to posses a BB gun, purchase a BB gun?

I found my answer on FindLaw


It is a misdemeanor in California to sell, loan, or transfer a BB gun, or "BB device" to a minor.

Federal law requires imitation guns (including most BB guns) to have special colors or markings. These markings allow law enforcement officers to identify them as fake firearms, and can prevent the shooting a person armed with a fake gun that looks real.


So, the myriad of questions arise?
Why was this minor in possession of an illegal firearm?
Why was this BB gun not marked?
Why has the media not reported on this misdirected criminal youth?
Why are there possible exemptions in Federal Law?
Why has the media not reported on this federal loophole?
Why are BB guns legal in california?

Czolgosz
11-24-2013, 02:44 PM
Bullies need not change if there's no real opposition.

Anti Federalist
11-24-2013, 03:27 PM
LOL - Like that will make a difference.

"He made a furtive gesture."

"He affixed me with a dehumanizing stare."

"Stop Resisting!" - thump - "Stop Resisting!" - thump - "Stop Resisting!" - BANG!


Oh goody!

These brain surgeons are writing more legislation...

I suppose it hasn't dawned on them that their legislation has caused the problem in the first place.



California lawmakers seek to ban imitation firearms

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/11/24/california-lawmakers-seek-to-ban-imitation-firearms/

SANTA ROSA, Calif. – California lawmakers want to ban the manufacture and sale of imitation firearms like the one a 13-year-old boy was carrying when he was fatally shot by a Sonoma County sheriff's deputy last month.
Legislation announced Friday would require BB, pellet and airsoft guns to be translucent or brightly colored so they're not mistaken for real firearms, according to the Santa Rosa Press Democrat.
State and local officials announced the new legislative effort one month after a deputy shot and killed Andy Lopez. Deputy Erick Gelhaus reportedly mistook the boy's BB gun for a real assault rifle.
On Friday, dozens of protesters marched from Santa Rosa City Hall to the Hall of Justice, chanting slogans and carrying signs urging District Attorney Jill Ravitch to charge Gelhaus with murder, the newspaper reported.
California law already bars imitation firearms like the one Lopez carried from being displayed in public unless the weapon meets color guidelines
The bill announced Friday is co-authored by state Sen. Noreen Evans, D-Santa Rosa, and Sen. Kevin de Le≤n, D-Los Angeles. It's also sponsored by state Assembly members Wes Chesbro, D-Arcata, Marc Levine, D-San Rafael, and Mariko Yamada, D-Davis.
"A toy should look like a toy. It should not look like a lethal weapon," Evans said.
State lawmakers plan to introduce the proposal in January when the new legislative session begins.
In 2011, de Le≤n introduced similar legislation after police shot and paralyzed a 13-year-old Los Angeles boy carrying a BB gun modeled after a real handgun.
But that bill stalled in committee after running into resistance from gun manufacturers and the gun lobby, which likened the restrictions to a ban. Critics argued the proposal could motivate criminals to paint their firearms to look like imitations.
De Le≤n called the teen's death a "watershed moment" for the country. He said the legislation would allow "law enforcement to make rational, wise, split-second decisions when they are in that type of situation."

Brian4Liberty
11-24-2013, 04:10 PM
So, the solution to a trigger-happy cop is more laws to restrict citizens and businesses. Brilliant.

Carrying a weapon is no crime according to the Constitution.

And how long will it be before real criminals or shooters simply paint their guns fluorescent orange?

Anti Federalist
11-24-2013, 04:18 PM
So, the solution to a trigger-happy cop is more laws to restrict citizens and businesses. Brilliant.

Carrying a weapon is no crime according to the Constitution.

And how long will it be before real criminals or shooters simply paint their guns fluorescent orange?

Ban paint, silly.

Anti Federalist
11-24-2013, 04:19 PM
Anthony Sperl, 54, a former Stanton police officer, said he can never forget March 3, 1983, the day he shot and killed a 5-year-old boy who pointed a toy gun at him in a darkened room. The boy, Patrick Mason, clutched Sperl's leg and looked into his face as he died, a hole in his neck gushing blood.

Sperl, a rookie at the time, never returned to law enforcement. Years after the shooting, he tried unsuccessfully to find the boy's mother, who moved to Chicago. He makes a living in real estate and runs a nonprofit foundation in Los Angeles for animals, providing free neutering and spaying.

A "good cop".

Really.

Paulbot99
11-24-2013, 05:18 PM
Where are the accusations of racism?

pcosmar
11-24-2013, 08:32 PM
Ban paint, silly.

http://www.getgrip.com/images/Shotgun/LessLethal1.jpg


Hogue also offers OverMolded shotgun stocks in a "less lethal" color combination that is ideal for Law Enforcement. These new stocks feature the rubber areas in a safety orange creating a very attractive and functional stock. Because only the rubber areas are orange the stock has a unique contrast between the orange grip, recoil pad and black cheek portion.

The less lethal colors are available on both the standard length stock as well as the Short Shot 12" LOP models.
http://www.getgrip.com/main/overview/shotgun.html

SMFH

Henry Rogue
11-24-2013, 09:39 PM
This story proves democracy is stupid. Stupid law proposal by stupid politicians, elected by stupid people.


Here's your sign>>government

Henry Rogue
11-24-2013, 09:50 PM
You know, they better prohibit cops from leaving town during hunting season or those stupid bastards will be killing hunters left and right. Damned brain dead psychos.

tangent4ronpaul
11-24-2013, 10:13 PM
http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/5112280669beddc069000010-960/hello-kitty-pistol.jpg

http://www.jimsgunsupply.com/DuraCoat/dc/Duracoat_hotpinkprincess_111409.jpg

http://www.jimsgunsupply.com/DuraCoat/dc/AK_HOT_PINK_DuraCoat.jpg

http://cheaperthandirt.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/pink6005.jpg

There is a gay pro-gun group called the "pink pistols". Guess where a lot of the members live... guess what a lot of them own?

In digging for pics, I did find stories about the other side of this coin. Kids finding their parents brightly colored guns and mistaking them for toys, then accidentaly shooting another kid. WAY TO GO YOU POLITICAL RETARDS!

Now the big question: Will the bank teller take me seriously if I bring this to the robbery.... :rolleyes:

Up next, new regulations banning the sale, possession or loaning of straws, and rubber bands to anyone under the age of 18...

-t

Brian4Liberty
11-24-2013, 10:32 PM
Ban paint, silly.

Thank you for correcting my ungood-think, comrade. The solution was obvious.

phill4paul
07-08-2014, 02:43 PM
Batter is up and...looks like a walk. Meh, the umps are payed off.....


Sorthern California sheriff's deputy who shot and killed an unarmed 13-year-old Santa Rosa boy will not face charges.

Sonoma County Dist. Atty. Jill Ravitch said Monday that Deputy Erick Gelhaus shot Andy Lopez as a response to what "he honestly and reasonably believed was an imminent threat of death or serious bodily injury to himself or others."

“It is incumbent upon us to move forward to address the many layers of concern uncovered by this tragedy, and work together to rebuild trust and support for all members of this community," Ravitch said in a statement released after the decision was announced.

Lopez's family later issued a statement, saying relatives were left feeling "as though Andy had been killed again today."

"This cowardly political decision sends the tacit message that law enforcement officials who use excessive force in Sonoma County will not suffer meaningful consequences and, instead, will enjoy immunity from local prosecution," the family wrote in the statement, published by NBC Bay Area.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-no-charges-in-andy-lopez-case-20140707-story.html

DamianTV
07-08-2014, 06:31 PM
Glad you found this. The outcome should not suprise anyone in the least.

Unaccountable Authority.

VoluntaryAmerican
07-08-2014, 06:41 PM
Anyone who kills a kid with a toy gun and justifies it is fucking nuts. If I did his I would punish myself, whether by paying money or other ways begging for forgiveness. There is no way I could just go on living normal without doing that.

phill4paul
07-08-2014, 06:50 PM
Something you will NEVER hear...........


The police officer that killed this 13 year old boy last night was shot to death by family members. No charges will be filed. However, it is incumbent upon us to move forward to address the many layers of concern uncovered by this tragedy, and work together to rebuild trust and support for all members of this community.

bunklocoempire
07-08-2014, 06:56 PM
http://i1275.photobucket.com/albums/y442/bunklocoempirehi/copcharlie-eipper1-530x332_zps579338ff.jpg

fisharmor
07-08-2014, 06:59 PM
What kind of a fucking piece of shit shoots a 5 year old? They had those "no hesitation" posters back then too.
Remember that the next time someone goes on about how cops were somehow functional back in the good old days.
And be sure to call that person a racist since they were doing everything we see here today to non whites at the time.


Anyone who kills a kid with a toy gun and justifies it is fucking nuts. If I did his I would punish myself, whether by paying money or other ways begging for forgiveness. There is no way I could just go on living normal without doing that.

But you wouldn't do this.
Beyond the fact that your lack of license to kill means there would be repercussions to killing a kid,
beyond the fact that you don't have a tribe of back-slappers and apologists making you think it's ok....

....there's the fact that you're not a fucking retard who can't figure out how to make a buck without shoving people around.