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KerriAnn
10-30-2013, 09:39 AM
http://www.mises.org/daily/6570/The-Power-of-the-State-vs-the-Power-of-Love

My friends accuse me of being a hipster, a hippie, one person recently called me a "fucking hippie asshole"... But i really believe love is the only way out of all this mess!

♫ You don't need money, don't need fame... don't need no credit card to ride this train ♫ .... ;)


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The Power of the State vs. the Power of Love

For thousands of years, philosophers have argued that society must invest great power in the rulers because only great power can hold back the forces of evil — violence, plunder, and disorder. They have often conceded, however, that this solution has a down side: powerful rulers may themselves resort to violence and plunder.

In any event, society’s positive, productive forces always resided within the people themselves. All the genuine peace, cooperation, production, and order the society enjoyed sprang from them. So the state was never a solution to a problem the people could not solve for themselves, but itself a problem masquerading as the only solution to problems whose real solutions already lay close at hand, if they existed at all.

Given that wealth destruction undermines social well-being, how did it come to pass that the state — an institution based on violence and plunder — has overridden peaceful cooperation as the dominant factor in social life virtually everywhere on earth? Although this simple question requires a complex answer, we know that the rulers have used fear — of themselves and of other dangers known and unknown — to terrorize the people and convince them that they are incapable of providing security, that only the state can provide it. First through fear alone, then through complementary religion, and ultimately through complementary ideology, the people’s convictions were twisted into forms compatible with the rulers, the priest/ideologists, and the military elite’s living at the expense of the plundered masses, who were kept in line more by false beliefs than by raw force.

So it remains today. Is any feasible alternative conceivable?

Hardheaded people mock the idea that “love is the answer” to the people’s dire situation. They insist that evil forces and evil men are afoot in the world, men who care nothing for love and seek only vile ends, and that such malevolence can be fended off effectively only by meeting it with adequate force and violence. Thus does the perceived “security gap” fuel a race to the bottom in which the ostensible protectors become more and more indistinguishable from the evil men who allegedly seek to hurt us. By meeting evil only with the rulers’ upward ratcheting force and violence and their upward ratcheting suppression of our liberties and our means of self-protection, the ultimate goal — a social environment of real security and peaceful cooperation — recedes ever farther from realization.

Jesus declared, “Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you” (Matthew 5:43-44). Of course, people — even most Christians, no doubt — will say that this admonition, however lovely it might sound in a sermon, is utterly impractical, that behaving in accordance with it would leave us entirely at the mercy of those who seek to harm us. Perhaps it would.

Yet, here we are, inhabiting a world divided in countless ways by mutual misunderstandings, hatreds, and yearnings for vengeance. Because each society is subject to a state whose own interests are served by keeping this vicious pot boiling, we have no prospect of ever breaking out of the endless cycle of evil, violence, and retribution. In the process, the whole world forgoes the immense blessings that would flow from mutual cooperation, peace, and tolerance.

Individuals may rest their personal lives on love and thereby find the peace that seemingly evades all philosophical and sociological understanding of social affairs. Whatever wise men and women may know and practice in their own lives, however, essentially Hobbesian analysis holds the great thinkers in its iron grip, and those who recommend love are dismissed as muddle-headed and simplistic. Yet, to repeat, here we are, inhabiting a world made no better by our hanging on the words of the greatest political philosophers, statesmen, and international-relations experts. In their view, the state is a given, and their analyses take for granted its nature and conduct. Perhaps this point of departure is their root error: that they readily accept what most needs to be challenged.

So long as the state exists, with its intrinsic violence, plunder, and insolence, and we seek solutions to our pressing social problems through it or in its dark shadow, we are doomed not to second-best or third-best solutions, but to make-believe solutions that are, at best, momentary rest stops on the road to our worsening degradation and ultimate demise. Destruction is what states do (or threaten to do); it is the nature of the beast. As technological changes augment state powers, the culmination of this terrible sequence may be our absolute annihilation.

Love turns us in the opposite direction. It seeks to build up, whereas the state seeks to overawe and kill in the service of the self-interested elites who control it at the expense of the people at large. Love has no need to flex violent muscles or seek vengeance time and again. Love intends the good of the other for its own sake, not as a means toward the end of one’s own aggrandizement. Love is patient and long-suffering; power is impatient and easily provoked.

Love does not keep score; international rivals do so in numerous dimensions. Love leads to inner peace and cordial relations with others, whereas the state remains always at war, if not against other states, then certainly against its own subjects, on whom it preys ceaselessly in order to sustain itself and to gratify the rulers’ insatiable ambitions for personal acclaim and unchecked power.

Hardheaded people will say, of course, that in socio-political life, love just doesn’t work. In sharp contrast, they insist, power in the hands of the rulers does work. And indeed it does. That’s the trouble.

donnay
10-30-2013, 12:07 PM
http://www.mises.org/daily/6570/The-Power-of-the-State-vs-the-Power-of-Love

My friends accuse me of being a hipster, a hippie, one person recently called me a "fucking hippie asshole"... But i really believe love is the only way out of all this mess!

♫ You don't need money, don't need fame... don't need no credit card to ride this train ♫ .... ;)


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I love this article. +rep

RJB
10-30-2013, 12:16 PM
+rep

They've turned everybody against their neighbors. People are brainwashed by MSNBC and think all republicans (or people who aren't O-bots) are racist, Nazis etc. FOX News has their viewers thinking that non republicans are terrorists, commies, etc.

I avoid facebook because I have friends of all politics and am sad by what people post as news. TPTB has deflected the blame off itself and has turned that into hatred for neighbors with campaign signs for the other party. It's sad.

We do need to go back to loving our neighbor.

RJB
10-30-2013, 12:34 PM
My friends accuse me of being a hipster, a hippie, one person recently called me a "fucking hippie asshole

BTW. I get that too, but with long hair and, half the time, I have a beard, I guess I have it coming. However I like to think of myself as more of a mountain man than a hippie. :)

Todd
10-30-2013, 12:35 PM
Excellent article

One of my closest confidants is a retired school teacher who is a steadfast Socialist. The thing is we've maintained our freindship through mutual agreement that 1. The powers that be are the problem. 2. Civil Liberties are paramount. 3. The War machine destroys freedom.

Now we may disagree on the solutions and have pissed off each other from time to time in our disagreements, but I consider him Friend and not Foe.

AuH20
10-30-2013, 12:40 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkAVfsw5xSQ

Occam's Banana
10-30-2013, 01:17 PM
Robert Higgs FTW!!

enhanced_deficit
10-30-2013, 01:21 PM
It is absolutely true, Love Conquers All.

Love implementation details have to be worked out though because we got ourselves in a complicated mess.

I wonder if I'm a closet hippie.

bunklocoempire
10-30-2013, 01:22 PM
Love does not fear. :)

erowe1
10-30-2013, 01:43 PM
Higgs has to be one of the most underappreciated resources we have in the world alive right now.

Brian4Liberty
10-30-2013, 02:01 PM
There it is. Big Mommy Police State USA.


Thus does the perceived “security gap” fuel a race to the bottom in which the ostensible protectors become more and more indistinguishable from the evil men who allegedly seek to hurt us. By meeting evil only with the rulers’ upward ratcheting force and violence and their upward ratcheting suppression of our liberties and our means of self-protection, the ultimate goal — a social environment of real security and peaceful cooperation — recedes ever farther from realization.

Acala
10-30-2013, 02:11 PM
Great article. But the kind of love Jesus was talking about does not come naturally for most people. It must be cultivated.

heavenlyboy34
10-30-2013, 02:23 PM
Great article. :) I've said the same thing several times on the interwebz, but never had the time to develop my thoughts so thoroughly. :cool: I'll share this on FB.

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace". ~Jimi Hendrix

Love you guys. :) :toady: ~hugs~

KerriAnn
10-30-2013, 02:44 PM
during a heated debate on facebook, i kept trying to tell one of my military friends (who is all "hoo-rah!" and "let's kill them freedom haterzzz!"), that war is never the answer.
he got really offended. i told him in a PM if he wanted to block me, it's cool, and he can even delete me if he wants.

10 minutes later, i was blocked and deleted. and then he called me a "fucking hippie asshole" publicly on his wall.

not everyone likes this idea of loving our enemies. in fact, hardly anyone does. it's really sad!

KerriAnn
10-30-2013, 02:51 PM
Great article. But the kind of love Jesus was talking about does not come naturally for most people. It must be cultivated.

I think it DOES come naturally for everyone, at least it does at birth. All we know is love when we are babies. Then the world screws us up, and our parents screw us up, and society screws us up, and we are taught to hate. And we have to spend the rest of our lives learning to love again.

Thankfully, my parents taught me to love. Even to love my enemy! (Thanks, Dad!)

Acala
10-30-2013, 02:54 PM
I think it DOES come naturally for everyone, at least it does at birth. All we know is love when we are babies. Then the world screws us up, and our parents screw us up, and society screws us up, and we are taught to hate. And we have to spend the rest of our lives learning to love again.

Thankfully, my parents taught me to love. Even to love my enemy! (Thanks, Dad!)

I agree with what you say here. I should have said it doesn't come easily to most adults. They have to dig through the emotional scar tissue to get to the natural wellspring of love.

cajuncocoa
10-30-2013, 02:57 PM
http://www.mises.org/daily/6570/The-Power-of-the-State-vs-the-Power-of-Love

My friends accuse me of being a hipster, a hippie, one person recently called me a "fucking hippie asshole"... But i really believe love is the only way out of all this mess!

♫ You don't need money, don't need fame... don't need no credit card to ride this train ♫ .... ;)


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+rep

The State is responsible...they have tried to replace friends, neighbors, family in our lives. I think they have succeeded in many ways.

cajuncocoa
10-30-2013, 02:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vIIZydXDqg

Hearts of fire creates love desire
Take you high and higher to the world you belong
Hearts of fire creates love desire
High and higher to your place on the throne
Weve come together on this special day
To sing our message loud and clear
Looking back weve touched on sorrowful days
Future pass, they disappear
You will find peace of mind
If you look way down in your heart and soul
Dont hesitate cause the world seems cold
Stay young at heart cause youre never, never old at heart
Thats the way of the world
Plant your flower and you grow a pearl
A child is born with a heart of gold
The way of the world makes his heart grow cold

Hearts of fire creates love desire
Take you high and higher to the world you belong
Hearts of fire, love desire
High and higher, you, you, you
Hearts of fire, love desire
High and higher
Weve came together on this special day
To sing our message loud and clear
Looking back weve touched on sorrowful days
Well, future disappear
You will find peace of mind
If you look way down in your heart and soul
Dont hesitate cause the world seems cold
Stay young at heart cause youre never, never, never old at heart
Thats the way of the world
Plant your flowers and you grow a pearl
A child is born with a heart of gold
The way of the world makes his heart grow cold
And love, and love, and love, and love
And love, and love, and love
Well the love, the love, the love
Darlin' lovely, don't you hear me now?
Don't you hear me now?
Darlin', won't you hear me now, won't you hear me now?
Hearts of fire, love desire
High and higher, you, you, you
Hearts of fire, love desire


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RJB
10-30-2013, 03:00 PM
during a heated debate on facebook, i kept trying to tell one of my military friends (who is all "hoo-rah!" and "let's kill them freedom haterzzz!"), that war is never the answer.

Besides innocent women and children killed in war, there have been millions of innocent 16 - 24 year old men whose government took advantage of their hormone surge in the name of patriotism and used as cannon fodder. I joined the Marines at 18. I was probably similar to your friend. I bought all their BS propaganda. Hopefully he'll out grow it.

Reading these forums gives me hope, when I see people at that age who know what's up already. I'm actually jealous of them for their wisdom that I didn't have at the their age.

DamianTV
10-30-2013, 03:35 PM
http://www.mises.org/daily/6570/The-Power-of-the-State-vs-the-Power-of-Love

My friends accuse me of being a hipster, a hippie, one person recently called me a "fucking hippie asshole"... But i really believe love is the only way out of all this mess!

♫ You don't need money, don't need fame... don't need no credit card to ride this train ♫ .... ;)


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Damn hippies! You're gunna start a Reloveution!

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ClydeCoulter
10-30-2013, 04:40 PM
I think it DOES come naturally for everyone, at least it does at birth. All we know is love when we are babies. Then the world screws us up, and our parents screw us up, and society screws us up, and we are taught to hate. And we have to spend the rest of our lives learning to love again.

Thankfully, my parents taught me to love. Even to love my enemy! (Thanks, Dad!)

You're going to make me cry, with good tears :)

KerriAnn
10-30-2013, 04:45 PM
You're going to make me cry, with good tears :)

Dad, you really did teach me to love my enemy. It just took me awhile to learn from my own experience why it's so important. And now I'm able to practice it, with some difficulty, but I'm getting better!

Carlybee
10-30-2013, 04:57 PM
All my old hippie friends have turned into douchebag liberal Obamabots. They've completely forgotten Peace and Love and are mainly concerned with political bashing.

Zippyjuan
10-30-2013, 05:00 PM
Frankie Says Love.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShN8UIk5-mw

Snew
10-30-2013, 05:33 PM
"Love is all you need, love is all you need..."

DamianTV
10-30-2013, 05:34 PM
"Love is all you need, love is all you need..."

Maybe better to say the Wisdom to Love...?

PursuePeace
10-30-2013, 07:18 PM
Great post! I believe Love is what we are each on the path to discovering. The absolute power of love. Love that overcomes all, in it's own way and in it's own time.
Love is the most powerful thing there is, and there is nothing that will block the force of it. Eventually all will be overcome by it.

Cabal
10-30-2013, 08:01 PM
Robert Higgs FTW!!

Basically this. Higgs is top tier.

ClydeCoulter
10-30-2013, 08:17 PM
Great post! I believe Love is what we are each on the path to discovering. The absolute power of love. Love that overcomes all, in it's own way and in it's own time.
Love is the most powerful thing there is, and there is nothing that will block the force of it. Eventually all will be overcome by it.

So be it!

georgiaboy
10-31-2013, 07:20 AM
1 If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.
2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
3 If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.
5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.
9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part,
10 but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears.
11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me.
12 Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love