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RPfan1992
10-26-2013, 11:58 PM
MONTPELIER, Vt. (AP) — As states open insurance marketplaces amid uncertainty about whether they're a solution for health care, Vermont is eyeing a bigger goal, one that more fully embraces a government-funded model.

The state has a planned 2017 launch of the nation's first universal health care system, a sort of modified Medicare-for-all that has long been a dream for many liberals.

The plan is especially ambitious in the current atmosphere surrounding health care in the United States. Republicans in Congress balk at the federal health overhaul years after it was signed into law. States are still negotiating their terms for implementing it. And some major employers have begun to drastically limit their offerings of employee health insurance, raising questions about the future of the industry altogether.

In such a setting, Vermont's plan looks more and more like an anomaly. It combines universal coverage with new cost controls in an effort to move away from a system in which the more procedures doctors and hospitals perform, the more they get paid, to one in which providers have a set budget to care for a set number of patients.

The result will be health care that's "a right and not a privilege," Gov. Peter Shumlin said.

Where some governors have backed off the politically charged topic of health care, Shumlin recently surprised many by digging more deeply into it. In an interview with a newspaper's editorial board, he reversed himself somewhat on earlier comments that Vermont would wait to figure out how to pay for the new system. He said he expects a payroll tax to be a main source of funding, giving for the first time a look at how he expects the plan to be paid for.

The reasons tiny Vermont may be ripe for one of the costliest and most closely watched social experiments of its time?

It's the most liberal state in the country, according to Election Day exit polls. Democrats hold the governor's office and big majorities in both houses of the Legislature.

It has a tradition of activism. Several times in recent years, hundreds of people have rallied in Montpelier for a campaign advocating that health care is a human right.

It's small. With a population of about 626,000 and just 15 hospitals, all nonprofits, Vermont is seen by policy experts as a manageable place to launch a universal health care project.

"Within a state like Vermont, it should be much more possible to actually get all of the stakeholders at the table," said Shana Lavarreda, director of health insurance studies at the University of California at Los Angeles' Center for Health Policy Research.

Vermont's small size also is often credited with helping preserve its communitarian spirit. People in its towns know one another and are willing to help in times of need.

"The key is demography," said University of Vermont political scientist Garrison Nelson. Discussions about health policy "can be handled on a relative face-to-face basis," he said.

Vermont also has little income diversity, Nelson said. In general, people with lower incomes who don't pay into a health care system make it costlier for other people.

Then there's the fact that Vermont is close to universal health care already. Lavarreda noted that the state became a leader in insuring children in the 1990s. Now 96 percent of Vermont children have coverage, and 91 percent of the overall population does, second only to Massachusetts.

At this stage, no one knows whether state-level universal health care will succeed, and it's an open question as to whether Vermont can work as a model for other states.

"Developing a single-payer system for Vermont is a lot easier than in California or Texas or New York state," said U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders, using an industry term to describe a system in which health care is paid for by a single entity.

Sanders, frequently described as the only socialist in the Senate, has been pushing for some form of socialized medicine since he was mayor of Burlington 30 years ago.

The nation is focused on the rollout of the state-based health insurance marketplaces and the disastrous unveiling of healthcare.gov. In the meantime, Vermont's efforts have largely gone unnoticed, said Chapin White, a researcher with the Washington-based Center for Studying Health System Change.

"Vermont's thinking about 2017, and the rest of the country is just struggling with 2014 right now," White said.

Even with years to go before Vermont's single-payer plan will be in place, several obstacles remain.

The largest national health insurance industry lobbying group, America's Health Insurance Plans, has warned that the law could limit options for consumers and might not be sustainable.

"The plan could disrupt coverage consumers and employers like and rely on today, limit patients' access to the vital support and assistance health plans provide, and put Vermont taxpayers on the hook for the costs of an unsustainable health care system," said AHIP spokesman Robert Zirkelbach.

And questions have also arisen about the expected cost savings of eliminating multiple insurance companies and their different coverage levels and billing styles.

Much of a hospital's billing process is coding to ensure that the right patient is billed the right amount for the right procedure, said Jill Olson, vice president of the Vermont Association of Hospitals and Health Systems. That would continue in a single-payer system.

Vermont also has yet to answer how it will cover everyone. The post-2017 system is not envisioned to include federal employees or those with self-insured employers that assume the risk of their own coverage and are governed by federal law, including IBM, one of the state's largest private employers. It also may not include residents who work for and get insurance through companies headquartered out of state, Olson said.

At least one resident, 73-year-old Gerry Kilcourse, has little patience for the naysayers.

Kilcourse said that when he and wife Kathy bought a hardware store in Plainfield in the early 1980s, they struggled for years to find good, affordable health insurance coverage.

In retirement, Kilcourse has schooled himself on health policy and advocates for universal coverage. He sees health care as a public good and likens the current campaign to the 19th-century push in the United States for public schools.

"It should be similar to education, which is publicly funded," Kilcourse said of health care. "If we did the same thing for education (as in health care), you'd have a number of people being excluded" from public schools.

Shumlin has made it clear the status quo can't hold. As a part owner himself of a small business — a student travel service based in Putney — he has spoken often of the burden that employee health coverage is to such business owners.

At a Chamber of Commerce forum in September, he called the federal health overhaul "a great improvement over the past" but added it "is not the silver bullet that will ... provide universal access and quality health care for all Vermonters."

That, he appears to hope, will come in 2017.


http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20131026/US--Health.Overhaul-Single.Payer/

ThePenguinLibertarian
10-27-2013, 12:07 AM
would do anything for Vermont to be sunk into the ocean. Even better annexed by NH.

Smart3
10-27-2013, 01:48 AM
Good for them. It's what they want, so be it.

jkob
10-27-2013, 04:10 AM
Why is Vermont so socialist?

kathy88
10-27-2013, 04:52 AM
Paid for by a payroll tax.

Anti Federalist
10-27-2013, 06:33 AM
LOL @ "little income diversity".

That'll change once word gets out that you get "free" health care in VT.

Anti Federalist
10-27-2013, 06:34 AM
In retirement, Kilcourse has schooled himself on health policy and advocates for universal coverage. He sees health care as a public good and likens the current campaign to the 19th-century push in the United States for public schools.

"It should be similar to education, which is publicly funded," Kilcourse said of health care. "If we did the same thing for education (as in health care)...

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Umm...'yer not winning me over with THIS argument.

willwash
10-27-2013, 06:39 AM
Bodes well for NH and the fsp. All the goodie grabbers in nh will make a short move west, and people in vt who like liberty will have an extra incentive to make a short move east.

malkusm
10-27-2013, 07:18 AM
From The Cure by Dr. David Gratzer:


HillaryCare embodied the enthusiasm of the time for government intervention. While the White House failed in its grand designs, many states forged ahead with a similar prescription. Howard Dean's Vermont would be a good example of this. After his governorship, Dr. Dean went on to run for president. Many supporters cited his record on health care as proof of his successful leadership.

Vermont would hardly seem to be a likely candidate for aggressive government intervention. According to the Census Bureau, only 9.5 percent of Vermont's population lacked insurance when Dean assumed office in 1991. But HillaryCare was in the air. "Every governor has his obsession," notes John McClaughry, a former state senator who runs the free-market Ethan Allen Institute.[25] "Health care was his. He worked on it until he lost sight of the big picture."

First, Governor Dean meddled in the private insurance market. Before his swearing-in, Vermont's legislature passed a bill mandating "community rating" and "guaranteed issue" for health insurance. "Community rating" means that premiums are not based on age or health status. Its purpose is to reduce premiums for the chronically ill. "Guaranteed issue" requires insurance companies to sell policies to all applicants. Again, the aim is to improve access for those who aren't healthy.

While these mandates may appear innocuous in and of themselves, in combination they create perverse incentives for people to game the system. People can buy insurance after they get sick--and yet they still pay the same rates as other people their age. A downward spiral for private insurers follows. Faced with massive rate hikes, small employers drop coverage, often affecting young workers disproportionately. With an insurance pool of older and sicker workers, those left face high premiums.

One of Dean's first actions as governor was to champion Bill 160, a sweeping initiative to address the health-care problems he inherited. But instead of undoing the price regulation that had been slapped on in the insurance industry, Bill 160 went further in the same direction. The legislation aimed to establish state control over hospital budgets, create a statewide insurance pool, and form a new health authority to coordinate it all. Instead of scrapping community rating, the legislation expanded it. Premiums wouldn't be based on age at all, but would be one-size-fits-all. Thus, a 20-year-old worker in perfect health would pay the same premium as a 60-year-old man with heart disease and emphysema. Much of the legislation was eventually dumped, but not community rating. "We fought that tooth and nail" recalls Tory Bunce of the Council for Affordable Health Insurance, an advocacy group for small businesses and insurance carriers. "We predicted that premiums would go through the roof."[26] They did.

If homeowners' insurance were regulated the way Governor Dean regulated health care, residents could insure their houses after they caught fire. As a result, healthy young people dropped their insurance; numerous insurance carriers left the state; and the percentage of uninsured Vermonters approached 14 percent.

Various ideas were floated in the mid-1990s to cope with the collapsing market for private health insurance. Some Vermont legislators proposed a single-payer plan. Dean's alternative was simply to expand government programs. In particular, he enlarged Medicaid, the federal-state program for poor Americans, with Washington footing most of the new cost. He expanded eligibility, going so far as to allow children in families with incomes up to $51,000 to be enrolled.

What does Vermont health care look like today? Insurance premiums are sky high. "I'm paying a lot and getting little choice," a self-employed Burlington resident told me. He wasn't kidding: To cover his wife and himself, he pays $5,000 a year for a plan with a $1,000 deductible. If that sounds like a stiff bill, it is. Frank Mazur, a Republican state representative, notes that "a high deductible ($2,250) individual insurance policy for a 33-year-old in Vermont currently costs $215 a month. In New Hampshire, the policy costs $128 a month, and in South Carolina, $76 a month. Differences in population are a minor factor but community rating and guaranteed issue are major impediments to health insurance costs in Vermont compared to other states."[27]

Most carriers have left the state. There are only a few insurance companies left open for business. At one time, thirty-three companies served the individual market. Today, there are two.[28]

So the government ran health care into the ground for the last 20 years in Vermont, and the government's solution is to eradicate what little remains of the private market. Brilliant!

invisible
10-27-2013, 09:53 AM
Why is Vermont so socialist?

When I lived in IA in the 1980's and early 1990's, many people I knew (myself included) wanted to get out of there and move elsewhere. Most people who wanted to move to places with a better economy migrated south, down I-35. But ALL of the liberal / hippie / leftist types I knew, EVERY single one of them, wanted to move to a liberal / hippie paradise like northern CA. VT was second on that list, and was also viewed as a liberal / hippie paradise. CO was the third choice. I know plenty of people who moved to all 3 of those states for that very reason, and are still there. Surely people in IA weren't the only ones who viewed these places this way.

Carlybee
10-27-2013, 10:03 AM
People who want universal healthcare seem to forget its going to come out of their paychecks and its not going to be 2%. Its going to be administered by the same kind of crooks who plundered the SS funds and the rate will increase every year until there is nothing left of their paychecks...although they will probably try to figure out a way to make top wage earners pay the whole thing because after all...its for the greater good.

seapilot
10-27-2013, 11:21 AM
Good affordable healthcare and many choices = Private free market

Expensive for all and no healthcare for some with fewer choices = crony capitalism + some socialized medicine (medicaid)

Worse health care for everyone and no choices = universal healthcare

Keith and stuff
10-27-2013, 11:25 AM
Bodes well for NH and the fsp. All the goodie grabbers in nh will make a short move west, and people in vt who like liberty will have an extra incentive to make a short move east.

Yup! Let's hope this happens. The welfare class will see this and love it.

Besides NH having talking mountains and the ocean, the geography of NH and VT is the same. So when rich liberal writers or retired statists pick a state, if they don't want to move to FL, NM or NC for some reason, maybe they will pick VT. And then they will shop in NH so that will help NH companies near the VT/NH border.

Keep it coming socialist of VT. Please, turn it into a progressive paradise.