Picture of CHP Officer Pointing a Rifle at Driver During "Active-Shooter" Checkpoint

[SeanTX]

Let's see , we have one known individual holed-up inside a house, so not only do we set up a perimeter around that house, order the entire neighborhood out of their homes, we also set up check-points and point rifles at random drivers for no reason. At least the morbidly-obese oinker on the passenger side isn't muzzle sweeping the driver.

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http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2013/oct/26/suspect-in-northern-calif-standoff-surrenders/


ROSEVILLE, Calif. (AP) — The gunman in a violent confrontation that wounded a federal immigration officer and three local police officers surrendered early Saturday after an hours-long standoff in a Sacramento suburb, authorities said.

The suspect, 32-year-old Samuel Nathan Duran, would be booked in Roseville's jail and then taken to Placer County jail, according to city officials. He surrendered at 12:30 a.m. Saturday.

The shootings happened Friday before the standoff occurred.

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As officers attempted to capture the suspect before his surrender, helicopters were circling overhead and armored vehicles and other police cars flocked to the area Friday night. Roseville is about 20 miles northeast of the state capital.

In anticipation of the standoff lasting through the night, some local residents were bused to a community center to spend the night.

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The incident created scenes of panic and chaos in a typically quiet middle class suburb of about 120,000. Walstad described multiple shooting sites as the suspect tried to escape a swarm of descending law enforcement agents, and reporters on the scene described hearing several volleys of gunfire.

[Root]

Good cops.

[Uriel999]

In my opinion the driver had the right to kill the cop for threatening him with a deadly weapon. Any bystander armed had the right to drop him on sight as well to protect that driver. You never point your weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot.

[SeanTX]

In my opinion the driver had the right to kill the cop for threatening him with a deadly weapon. Any bystander armed had the right to drop him on sight as well to protect that driver. You never point your weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot.

Funny how earlier in the week CA cops justified killing a kid for leveling a toy gun at them ; yet they can point weapons at us and we can't do anything . Even just asking them to not do that would probably result in an arrest, beatdown, etc.

[Anti Federalist]

Good cops.

Freedom.

AmeriKa.

[Uriel999]

Oops, repost!

[Anti Federalist]

Funny how earlier in the week CA cops justified killing a kid for leveling a toy gun at them ; yet they can point weapons at us and we can't do anything . Even just asking them to not do that would probably result in an arrest, beatdown, etc.

+rep.

Minor correction, the story I read never mentioned anything about the kid "leveling" that Airsoft at the asshole cops.

All he did is turn, and not comply in under a second, to get wasted.

[phill4paul]

Do. Not. Do. This. To. Me.

We truly do not want to go there. Ever. I've cold cocked best friends that have muzzle swept me.

[Uriel999]

Funny how earlier in the week CA cops justified killing a kid for leveling a toy gun at them ; yet they can point weapons at us and we can't do anything . Even just asking them to not do that would probably result in an arrest, beatdown, etc.

Yup. This is infuriating. Cops really need better training on how not to be militant pricks. Either that or a lot of them need to get Darwin Awards as gifts from the citizenry.

[Uriel999]

Do. Not. Do. This. To. Me.

We truly do not want to go there. Ever. I've cold cocked best friends that have muzzle swept me.

Exactly, that is not cool.

[phill4paul]

Funny how earlier in the week CA cops justified killing a kid for leveling a toy gun at them ; yet they can point weapons at us and we can't do anything . Even just asking them to not do that would probably result in an arrest, beatdown, etc.

Amen and +rep.

[tod evans]

War on us...

[Anti Federalist]

Yup. This is infuriating. Cops really need better training on how not to be militant pricks. Either that or a lot of them need to get Darwin Awards as gifts from the citizenry.

They are training them to BE militant pricks.

That every Mundane is an enemy hostile, to be lit up the instant we twitch funny.

[Uriel999]

They are training them to BE militant pricks.

That every Mundane is an enemy hostile, to be lit up the instant we twitch funny.

Yeah well those of us with real military training better not get crossed.

[green73]

I like the demeanor of the driver. It's like, fuck you asshole.

[SeanTX]

Yup. This is infuriating. Cops really need better training on how not to be militant pricks. Either that or a lot of them need to get Darwin Awards as gifts from the citizenry.

If the officer pointing the rifle had fired (either as a ND or out of fear) the morbidly obese one on the other side would have probably gotten a Darwin Award, or at least some bullet fragments.

Horrible tactics, never mind that there should not have been a "checkpoint" anyway (I can see diverting traffic around the danger area, but no need for searches and rifle pointing at random people).

[Uriel999]

Oh no, the check points are all part of the plan. Get used to the goons aiming in on you. I just posted this on another forum and said how the driver or a bystander had the right to kill the police officer...it got deleted in less than 10 minutes.

[green73]

And what's up with this specimen of humanity?

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[Anti Federalist]

And what's up with this specimen of humanity?

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[Uriel999]

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[thoughtomator]

I got swept with an M-16 while walking across the grounds of the Capitol last year. Very not cool.

[phill4paul]

Oh no, the check points are all part of the plan. Get used to the goons aiming in on you. I just posted this on another forum and said how the driver or a bystander had the right to kill the police officer...it got deleted in less than 10 minutes.

Of course it did. Likely you were reported to authorities or, in the least, getting ready to be deleted as a member.

[Uriel999]

Of course it did. Likely you were reported to authorities or, in the least, getting ready to be deleted as a member.

They can go ahead and report me, as legally I have done nothing wrong by saying you have the right to self defense. If they delete me, just lol. I am far from crazy on that forum. It is "survivalistboards.com."

[SeanTX]

I got swept with an M-16 while walking across the grounds of the Capitol last year. Very not cool.

Yes, that isn't cool. Actually I shouldn't have referred to the officer as "muzzle sweeping" the driver, sweeping is more of a careless, reckless act . Dangerous and stupid, but not intentionally threatening. His pointing was very much intentional, not a sweep.

[phill4paul]

They can go ahead and report me, as legally I have done nothing wrong by saying you have the right to self defense. If they delete me, just lol. I am far from crazy on that forum. It is "survivalistboards.com."

Gotcha. ;)

[SeanTX]

They can go ahead and report me, as legally I have done nothing wrong by saying you have the right to self defense. If they delete me, just lol. I am far from crazy on that forum. It is "survivalistboards.com."

I think I remember that site -- the guy who runs it has a relative who is an LEO, and he won't allow any postings critical of the police. He said as much in a posting , I'm pretty sure it's that site I'm thinking of (that's why I quit reading that forum).

[pcosmar]

I haz a sig line.

[Uriel999]

I think I remember that site -- the guy who runs it has a relative who is an LEO, and he won't allow any postings critical of the police. He said as much in a posting , I'm pretty sure it's that site I'm thinking of (that's why I quit reading that forum).

Wow, that sucks. It is a good forum otherwise though.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Forums are a dime-a-dozen. They need you more than you need them.

[youngbuck]

Oh no, the check points are all part of the plan. Get used to the goons aiming in on you. I just posted this on another forum and said how the driver or a bystander had the right to kill the police officer...it got deleted in less than 10 minutes. QFT

[AFPVet]

You should never point a weapon at someone unless

1. you are defending yourself or others from a viable threat to life
2. you are jacking someone up i.e., apprehending/arresting
3. you are in a training situation using appropriate safeguards

This applies to law enforcement, military, and us mundanes.

[Danke]

This applies to law enforcement, military, and us mundanes.

Somebody pinch him.

[fr33]

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[asurfaholic]

You guys are just a bunch of loony conspiracy theorists. These cops are protecting the citizens from a real criminal.





















/sar

[Occam's Banana]

Funny how earlier in the week CA cops justified killing a kid for leveling a toy gun at them ; yet they can point weapons at us and we can't do anything . Even just asking them to not do that would probably result in an arrest, beatdown, etc.

Officer safety vs. mundane safety is a zero-sum game. They can't "feel" safe unless you aren't ...

[Tod]

Yeah well those of us with real military training better not get crossed.

We saw how that turned out when the drunk TX sheriff's deputy was hassling the soldier, then arrested her. :(

[presence]

Do. Not. Do. This. To. Me.

We truly do not want to go there. Ever. I've cold cocked best friends that have muzzle swept me.


Hell the fuck yeah. I'm militant about guns not getting pointed in my general direction. When a weapon is pointed in my direction I don't think I act.

[ghengis86]

So you shoot LEO for pointing a gun at you at a checkpoint? You don't make it out alive. In the chance that you do, you think a jury will aquit you on self defense from those Demi-god cops? Lol.

You think citizen action will stop the police state from its continual expansion? Have taken a look at the average American lately?

I know I'm Debbie downer right now, but cripes people; you're not going to shoot a cop and get cleared on self defense. No way. Until this whole country goes bankrupt and tits up, you've got another thing coming

No one gets out alive.

[presence]

So you shoot LEO for pointing a gun at you at a checkpoint?

[]

No one gets out alive.


It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter.




Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace – but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!




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GET THAT FUCKING GUN OUT OF MY FACE IMMEDIATELY


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[ghengis86]

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace – but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egJj7idaVfQ

Believe, I read you loud and clear. We each face our own day of reckoning, be it next week, next month, next year or next decade. As surely as the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, it's coming. I just wish people would collectively get their wits about them and rescind consent to the state and let it crumble on its own with minimal violence, death and destruction.

But the state is evil and seeks power for the sake of power. It will not go down without a fight. A neither will we.

[Anti Federalist]

bump

[FloralScent]

http://www.peninsularity.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Sergeant-Schultz.jpg

Schulz was jolly and affable. I'm sure that lump of shit has no such redeeming qualities.

[SeanTX]

Even some cops seem to acknowledge that simply pointing a weapon is a use of force. Of course, they don't really care, this is just a feel good policy to placate the mundanes, but at least they acknowledge it.

http://www.nwcn.com/news/washington?fId=227413851&fPath=/home&fDomain=10222


SPOKANE, Wash.-- If you have a gun pointed at you, that may change your life forever. Now, when Spokane police officers point a gun at you it is considered a use of force.

KREM 2 News discovered that Spokane Police Department Chief Frank Straub issued a new requirement for his officers as he works to rebuild SPD’s relationship with the community it serves. The change took place May 23rd, 2013.

The Spokane Police Department changed the way it classifies an officer pointing a weapon at someone. The change came from Chief Straub in his 2013 Training Bulletin #4. He informed officers that directly pointing a firearm at an individual is considered a use of force.

“I don't point my weapon at anything or anybody that I don't intend on shooting,” said Chief Straub during an interview with KREM 2 News. “It's that simple, so if I point my weapon at you, it's there by the grace of good and probably some very good training that keeps me from shooting you…. hopefully, it's your complying to my commands."

Police Ombudsman, Tim Burns, suggested the department start keeping the new stat on pointing a firearm.

“It’s a critical event in someone’s life. I will tell you if you have a gun pointed at you, that may change your life forever, and that’s assuming the trigger doesn’t get pulled,” said Burns.

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[kcchiefs6465]

Even some cops seem to acknowledge that simply pointing a weapon is a use of force. Of course, they don't really care, this is just a feel good policy to placate the mundanes, but at least they acknowledge it.

http://www.nwcn.com/news/washington?fId=227413851&fPath=/home&fDomain=10222
That still wouldn't have saved Otto Zehm.

They are killing people in Spokane left and right. I'm going to look for the video of the teen who was purposely shot in the head by a Spokane officer. (the name slips me at the moment) This cop had shot a few people out there before the incident.. he probably didn't expect the teen to live to tell the tale.

Hopefully it is a real trend and not simply, as I suspect, a half-assed attempt to appease the locals.

[SeanTX]

They are killing people in Spokane left and right. I'm going to look for the video of the teen who was purposely shot in the head by a Spokane officer. (the name slips me at the moment) This cop had shot a few people out there before the incident.. he probably didn't expect the teen to live to tell the tale.


I wonder if that cop got "tats" commemorating his "kills" , like the one cop in Las Vegas who has four such tattoos (maybe more by now). And they say that no cop ever wants to shoot/kill somebody.

What sort of sociopath would want to commemorate killing another human being? Even if it was truly self-defense, a normal person would look at it as being a "necessary evil" and something unfortunate , not something to be celebrated and commemorated with body ink. And I've heard that LAPD has "first shoot parties" to celebrate a cop's first shooting ...

[presence]

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[SeanTX]

Here's something I found about "firearms expert" Sonoma Co. Deputy Erick Gelhaus -- and we should be okay with these guys pointing weapons at us routinely? Deputy Gelhaus is the one who fired seven shots into the kid who was carrying a toy rifle last week. At least this juvenile didn't get shot (and he wasn't even the right guy).

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Sonoma-deputy-accidentally-shoots-self-in-thigh-3139747.php


Sonoma deputy accidentally shoots self in thigh
EXAMINER STAFF REPORT
Published 4:00 am, Wednesday, July 26, 1995


A Sonoma County deputy sheriff accidentally shot himself in the leg early Wednesday while attempting to put away his gun and frisk a juvenile near Santa Rosa, a Sheriff's Department spokesman said.

The accident occurred shortly after 12:30 a.m., when Deputy Erick Gelhaus stopped a vehicle similar to one wanted in connection with a stabbing, according to the spokesman.

Gelhaus approached the vehicle at a service station at West Third Street and Dutton Avenue. With handgun drawn, he told the 17-year-old driver to get up against the car.

Gelhaus tried to place his gun in its holster, but it fired and a round struck him in the thigh. He pushed the juvenile to the ground and ordered him to stay there, and called for assistance.

Gelhaus was hospitalized in good condition with a bullet wound to the leg.

No evidence was found to link the juvenile to the stabbing, the spokesman said.<

[Tod]

I wonder if that cop got "tats" commemorating his "kills" , like the one cop in Las Vegas who has four such tattoos (maybe more by now). And they say that no cop ever wants to shoot/kill somebody.

What sort of sociopath would want to commemorate killing another human being? Even if it was truly self-defense, a normal person would look at it as being a "necessary evil" and something unfortunate , not something to be celebrated and commemorated with body ink. And I've heard that LAPD has "first shoot parties" to celebrate a cop's first shooting ...

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[SeanTX]

Alright, I meant someone who is supposed to be in the business of "helping others" , keeping the peace, etc. Not people actively "at war." Sheesh. Though I guess most cops do think they are serving in a war zone ...

[Tod]

Alright, I meant someone who is supposed to be in the business of "helping others" , keeping the peace, etc. Not people actively "at war." Sheesh. Though I guess most cops do think they are serving in a war zone ...

There ya go. That is the mentality of "militarized" police.

[presence]

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a wanted parolee


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Bloodlusting police converge on Duran during man hunt.




Roseville standoff suspect Sammy Duran to face 7 attempted murder charges (http://www.news10.net/news/article/262129/2/Roseville-standoff-suspect-facing-7-attempted-murder-charges?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Cbc%7Clarge)


News10.net ‎- 20 hours ago

Placer County Assistant District Attorney Jeff Wilson says 32-year-old Samuel Nathan Duran will be charged with seven counts of attempted ...



Accused Roseville Shooter Does Not Enter Plea At Hearing (http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2013/10/29/placer-county-das-office-files-charges-against-sammy-duran/)

CBS Local‎ - 14 hours ago
Family: Roseville Suspect Didn't Fire First Shot (http://fox40.com/2013/10/28/family-roseville-suspect-didnt-fire-first-shot/)
KTXL‎ - 1 day ago

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“It was like a fire range out here, like a battle zone,” said suspect’s aunt Donna Sandoval.

Read more: http://fox40.com/2013/10/28/family-roseville-suspect-didnt-fire-first-shot/#ixzz2jDi2Vp6x



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