next time there is a shutdown...dont give them backpay

[dcraelin]

Why in the heck would you give federal workers full back-pay for 13 days off. These people are overpaid to begin with. There is some value in the days off of work for them. I think it was a huge mistake to give them full back-pay.

[kcchiefs6465]

I think it was a mistake to give them any back pay.

I did not notice they were gone. So respectfully I'd have asked them to stay wherever they went. (or perhaps to find productive jobs)

What a joke, the whole thing was, really.

[phill4paul]

I'm not a happy medium kinda guy but if I were to mediate I would say that they should have the choice of either not being payed or being able to submit for vacation pay.

[tod evans]

Fuck back pay!

Why are these tax-ticks back on the dole?

[libertygold]

Back pay? lol. Try not showing up for two weeks in the private sector and getting back pay. lol.

[PaulConventionWV]

Why in the heck would you give federal workers full back-pay for 13 days off. These people are overpaid to begin with. There is some value in the days off of work for them. I think it was a huge mistake to give them full back-pay.

You are correct, my friend. Welcome to the fora. What other job gives you back pay for not working? It makes no sense.

[Brian4Liberty]

Why in the heck would you give federal workers full back-pay for 13 days off. These people are overpaid to begin with. There is some value in the days off of work for them. I think it was a huge mistake to give them full back-pay.

Topic was discussed at the time:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?429630-House-approves-back-pay-for-federal-workers
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?429529-White-House-Congress-agree-on-back-pay-for-non-workers

[erowe1]

Why in the heck would you give federal workers full back-pay for 13 days off. These people are overpaid to begin with. There is some value in the days off of work for them. I think it was a huge mistake to give them full back-pay.

Obviously it's wrong.

But it wasn't a mistake. The federal government isn't there to serve you and me.

[seapilot]

If they did not pay them, it would also show there are cracks and risk working for the federal government just like there is in private sector. All federal employees will then be nervous thinking they might be next to not get paid during a furlough or govt shutdown.

If the enforcers thought there is a chance they might not get paid they would not be so eager to protect the ruling class. Why risk it if there is no reward? How many federal workers would stay on for free very long only on a promise to get paid. Maybe a few months now they have gotten back pay. Much after 6 months they will be trading government property to live. Park rangers will let anyone visit as long as they pay them a "special fee".

[erowe1]

If they did not pay them, it would also show there are cracks and risk working for the federal government just like there is in private sector. All federal employees will then be nervous thinking they might be next to not get paid during a furlough or govt shutdown.

If the enforcers thought there is a chance they might not get paid they would not be so eager to protect the ruling class. Why risk it if there is no reward? How many federal workers would stay on for free very long only on a promise to get paid. Maybe a few months now they have gotten back pay. Much after 6 months they will be trading government property to live. Park rangers will let anyone visit as long as they pay them a "special fee".

Exactly. Also, they can't allow the shutdown to save taxpayers any money. The last thing they want to do is let us see how much better off we are without them.

[tod evans]

Exactly. Also, they can't allow the shutdown to save taxpayers any money. The last thing they want to do is let us see how much better off we are without them.

The only group of people that benefits from the bloated government we have now are the tax-ticks.

That includes the MIC, bankers, politicians, "workers" and sponges...

People who work in the private sector must support all of them!

[69360]

I think if these positions were non-essential why even bring them back to work? The government survived without them.

[Sam I am]

Back pay? lol. Try not showing up for two weeks in the private sector and getting back pay. lol.

That's a good point. Try suspending all your employees in the private sector and not give them back pay, and see how many come back.

[dcraelin]

If they did not pay them, it would also show there are cracks and risk working for the federal government just like there is in private sector. All federal employees will then be nervous thinking they might be next to not get paid during a furlough or govt shutdown.

If the enforcers thought there is a chance they might not get paid they would not be so eager to protect the ruling class. Why risk it if there is no reward? How many federal workers would stay on for free very long only on a promise to get paid. Maybe a few months now they have gotten back pay. Much after 6 months they will be trading government property to live. Park rangers will let anyone visit as long as they pay them a "special fee".

on your first point they should be made aware on hiring it might happen and that they will either still have to work or accept less than full backpay for time off.

2nd, Where else are they going to go? especially with the excessive pay they get?

[libertariantexas]

Did anyone notice that all the "fiscally conservative" Republicans who started this shutdown thing ended up voting for the back pay?

The GOP screwed this thing up on both ends.