Arnold Schwarzenegger lobbies for White House run

[CaseyJones]

http://pagesix.com/2013/10/18/schwarzenegger-mounting-legal-challenge-to-run-for-president/


Action star and former California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has been lobbying for support to change the law to allow him to run for president in 2016, Page Six has exclusively learned.

We’re told Ahnold has been openly talking about his political ambitions while in New York to promote his new movie with Sylvester Stallone, “Escape Plan.”

One source said: “Schwarzenegger has been talking openly about working on getting the constitutional rules changed so he can run for president in 2016. He is ready to file legal paperwork to challenge the rules.”

Arnie was born in Austria, and the US Constitution prevents foreign-born citizens from holding the nation’s top job. Any amendment to the Constitution must be approved by two-thirds majority in the House and the Senate.

But Arnold, who became a US citizen in 1983, still could mount a legal challenge. In 2010, he appeared on the ‘Tonight Show,’ and was asked by Jay Leno if he would make a White House run if the law were changed.

Schwarzenegger replied, “Without any doubt.” With America becoming more diverse, it is not clear what would happen if Arnie or any other foreign-born naturalized citizen decided to run.

[Uriel999]

oh gawd....just just....too many cliche quotes to choose from...

[fisharmor]

Why the hell not?
It's not like anyone reads that "goddamned piece of paper" for anything other than procedural reasons.
Just do it, Arnie. Nobody's going to stop you, and if they try, you can just photoshop yourself up a new birth certificate.

[jllundqu]

We already have a foreign born president :p

Arnie would not be much better I wager.

[donnay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULTTn0MXW9Y

[Uriel999]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULTTn0MXW9Y

lol, Sandra Bullock's smile made that scene. You know that had to be a fun scene for them to shoot

[Kords21]

Demolition man is a very underrated movie. The main villian seems to be the inspiration for Bloomberg. The future in the movie is a liberal nannystate gone wild

[MichaelDavis]

A movie star former governor of California becoming president? How ridiculous!

[Kords21]

A nice rant from Dennis Leary from Demolition man:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JizGkM6gbvQ

[Prog Snob]

A movie star former governor of California becoming president? How ridiculous!

It will never work! :)

[Ender]

We already have a foreign born president :p

Arnie would not be much better I wager.

Actually Chester A. Arthur was the first foreign born president.

And, I agree that Arnie would be no better than what we have.

[donnay]

Actually Chester A. Arthur was the first foreign born president.

And, I agree that Arnie would be no better than what we have.

I thought he was born in Vermont?

[Ender]

I thought he was born in Vermont?



Yes, Chester Arthur was born in Vermont. But Arthur was a British citizen/subject by virtue of his father not having naturalized as a United States citizen until Chester Arthur was almost 14 years old.

[donnay]

Yes, Chester Arthur was born in Vermont. But Arthur was a British citizen/subject by virtue of his father not having naturalized as a United States citizen until Chester Arthur was almost 14 years old.

Gotcha! I didn't realize that. Learn something new everyday!

[dannno]

Demolition man is a very underrated movie. The main villian seems to be the inspiration for Bloomberg. The future in the movie is a liberal nannystate gone wild

Ahnold isn't in that movie I don't believe, you are thinking of Sylvester Stalone if I recall.

[Brian4Liberty]

After how badly he screwed up as Governor? What a joke.

[eduardo89]

Yes, Chester Arthur was born in Vermont. But Arthur was a British citizen/subject by virtue of his father not having naturalized as a United States citizen until Chester Arthur was almost 14 years old.

He was born in the US, therefore he was a natural born citizen, regardless of his father's citizenship.

[TaftFan]

He's just trying to get in the news for his new movies. I'm looking forward to them, he is getting in better shape every day. His governor-fat is virtually gone now and he has gotten his muscles back.

[calendula]

Seriously, if an amendment to the constitution were made so that Arnold Schwarzenegger could run for president, I really might move to Canada.

[CBC4L]

At least he won't be able to run until we pass the 61st Amendment.

So lets see, President Arthur and President Obama not natural born. We've also had numerous other candidates that were questioned: Romney's father, McCain, Cruz etc. With 300M people in this country, why can't we find 1 person who is qualified? Natural Born Citizen is a gimme.

[PaulConventionWV]

After how badly he screwed up as Governor? What a joke.

Nobody could tell because it was already FUBAR.

[Carson]

Couldn't he just argue that Obama set a legal precedent.

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm

[eduardo89]

At least he won't be able to run until we pass the 61st Amendment.

So lets see, President Arthur and President Obama not natural born. We've also had numerous other candidates that were questioned: Romney's father, McCain, Cruz etc. With 300M people in this country, why can't we find 1 person who is qualified? Natural Born Citizen is a gimme.

Arthur was a natural born citizen, he was born in the US, so is McCain. McCain was born in a US territory to two US citizen parents. Furthermore, Congress had enacted a law making sure everyone born in the Panama Canal Zone Territory to at least one US parent was a natural born citizen.

[Brett85]

Which party's nomination would Arnold run for?

[Elias Graves]

Couldn't he just argue that Obama set a legal precedent.

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm

lol Hadn't seen that one before.

Is is there any possible way a constitutional amendment could make it through that fast even if people were on board?

[Elias Graves]

Which party's nomination would Arnold run for?
Libertarian, obviously. :D

[dannno]

Which party's nomination would Arnold run for?

Republican

[Dr.3D]

Which party's nomination would Arnold run for?
Nazi. Wasn't his dad big on that party?

[Brett85]

Republican

Yeah, I was just being sarcastic. The guy is about as much of a Republican as Arlen Specter.

[GregSarnowski]

Any amendment to the Constitution must be approved by two-thirds majority in the House and the Senate.


Then, three-fourths of the states must affirm the proposed Amendment.

Not going to happen by 2016 or likely ever.

[catfeathers]

Didn't Germany have a leader born in Austria? ;)

[Antischism]

Couldn't he just argue that Obama set a legal precedent.

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm

http://somewhatmanlynerd.com/gifs/commandowrong.gif

Wrong. (http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/ap.asp)

[Ender]

Arthur was a natural born citizen, he was born in the US, so is McCain. McCain was born in a US territory to two US citizen parents. Furthermore, Congress had enacted a law making sure everyone born in the Panama Canal Zone Territory to at least one US parent was a natural born citizen.

There is some gregariousness about the 'natural born citizen" thing but i think this raps it up very well:


Who is a Natural Born Citizen of the United States of America

A "Natural born citizen" - the most crucial concept of the moment in America - is confusing (and deliberately confused). This concept is used in the Constitution of the US (Article II, Section 1, #4) as a precondition for presidency - and only for presidency, being clearly distinguished from ordinary citizenship. It has not been defined in the Constitution nor in any later statutes, because it had been self evident in the time when the Constitution was written, codified in the then contemporary encyclopedia "The Law of Nations" (1758) by Emerich de Vattel. (As a legal source "Law of Nations" is mentioned in Article I, Section 8, #10 of the Constitution in respect to the authority of the US Congress to enforce the law of nations, in particular - against piracies and felonies on high seas).

According to Chapter 19, §212 of "Law of Nations", the concept "Natural born citizen" is a twofold criterion meaning that:

Both parents must be the citizens of, and the birth must take place in the concerned country, assuming that the citizenship inherited by this child and the loyalty are never changed ever after.

In other words, a natural born citizen means at least a second generation citizen of the country. Vattel's own note on the margin of his book refers to the Roman law: NEMO PLUS JURIS TRANSFERRE POTEST, QUAM IPSE HABET, meaning "No one can give more rights than he himself has" (by Dr. A. Altec). Except for Obama/Soetoro, the Vattel definition had been always applied, the last precedent being the US Senate resolution 511 in 2008 (also here and here) acknowledging Sen. McCain as a natural born citizen.

Another indication to the meaning of the term may be found in the Supreme Court's definition of "natural born citizen" as "all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens" (Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162, 1875).

Often "Natural born citizenship" is confused with §1401 of the US Code "Nationals and citizens of United States at birth". Although the words sound similar, §1401 defines only ordinary citizenship including such shallow one as that of anchor babies (i.e. born to legal guests of the country, §1401(a), never mind illegal residents).

The Constitution clearly and explicitly excludes ordinary citizenship for presidency: ordinary citizenship was reserved only for the presidential candidates - contemporaries of the Framers (referred as the grandfather clause). Definitely the "Natural born citizenship" is not the same as ordinary citizenship, but something stronger. By not explicitly quoting the Vattel's definition, the Constitution therefore leaves some room for confusions. (Many such confusions resulted of deliberate efforts of "progressives" to erode the basic constitutional concepts inconvenient for them).

Fortunately there exists (at least) one original US document directly defining the "Natural born citizenship" according to Emerich de Vattel. This document (which does have legal binding) is the actual text of the FIRST CONGRESS in 1790 (see below).

Other arguments in favor of the definition of Vattel are the following. The Framers (in their correspondence) explicitly wished to exclude dual loyalty, and explicitly required that the US citizenship of the president be deeper than ordinary citizenship (such as that of their contemporaries). After all, any one can acquire an ordinary US citizenship in some point of one's life, so the Framers clearly excluded this kind of citizenship. On the contrary, the Natural Born Citizenship cannot be acquired: it may be only inherited.

After the Framers, all the presidential contenders (up to Sen. McCain in 2008 but not Obama) did officially satisfy this definition, demonstrating continuity of the meaning "Natural born citizenship" consistent with that of Vattel . (In the past only one President Chester Arthur 1881-1885 violated it, hiding and destroying the traces of the British citizenship of his father, discovered only after his death. The carefully hidden violation of Chester Arthur in fact is an additional argument that the Vattel's definition was valid and he was aware of it).

http://www.resonoelusono.com/NaturalBornCitizen.htm