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JCDenton0451
10-14-2013, 02:54 PM
Americans Increasingly Sure Republicans Wrong On Shutdown (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/14/republicans-shutdown-poll_n_4098496.html)


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Republicans themselves are increasingly negative about their lawmakers. In the latest survey, Americans who identified as Republican were about evenly split on congressional Republicans' performance, with 47 percent giving them a thumbs-down. Sixty-three percent of "very conservative" Republicans, however approve (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/10/14/poll-republicans-losing-no-win-game/).


Other surveys have found similarly bleak results for the GOP. A Gallup poll last week (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/09/republican-party-rating_n_4072716.html) showed the party's rating at a record low, while an NBC/Wall Street Journal poll (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/10/poll-republican-shutdown_n_4080942.html), also released last week, found that Americans assigned Republicans far more blame for the shutdown. The latter survey also found evidence of an "ideological boomerang” against the GOP, with support rising for a Democratic-controlled Congress, Obama's health care law and an expanded role for government.

better-dead-than-fed
10-14-2013, 02:57 PM
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Americans Increasingly Sure Democrats Wrong On Shutdown

angelatc
10-14-2013, 03:00 PM
Congress has a 5% approval rating.

The thought of Obamacare being postponed has our little troll all in a dither, doesn't it?

better-dead-than-fed
10-14-2013, 03:02 PM
raising the debt ceiling would:
leave young people with additional debt; and
enable funding of entitlement programs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entitlement), which:
are not natural rights, require extortion against taxpayers, and drive the population upwards, causing war, disease, and famine, which imperil the very survival of humanity..

Dr.3D
10-14-2013, 03:02 PM
While many don't give a crap if the government ever returns from shutdown.

angelatc
10-14-2013, 03:08 PM
This shows the effect that the media has on public opinion. If it weren't for the 24/7 talking head channels, hardly anybody would even realize there was a shutdown.

JCDenton0451
10-14-2013, 03:08 PM
While many don't give a crap if the government ever returns from shutdown.

But they will surely give a crap if the government defaults on its debt.

Face it: 47% of Republicans disapprove of Republican position, and not because they think it's not intransigent enough. Basically, it's Tea Party vs America right now.

Dr.3D
10-14-2013, 03:11 PM
But they will surely give a crap if the government defaults on its debt.

Face it: 47% of Republicans disapprove of Republican position, and not because they think it's not intransigent enough. Basically, it's Tea Party vs America right now.

To whom is this supposed debt owed?

kcchiefs6465
10-14-2013, 03:12 PM
While many don't give a crap if the government ever returns from shutdown.
I still haven't noticed they're gone. /Shrug

kcchiefs6465
10-14-2013, 03:13 PM
But they will surely give a crap if the government defaults on its debt.

Face it: 47% of Republicans disapprove of Republican position, and not because they think it's not intransigent enough. Basically, it's Tea Party vs America right now.
That's a good one.

Riddle me this, are we a democracy or a republic?

PaulConventionWV
10-14-2013, 03:14 PM
Congress has a 5% approval rating.

The thought of Obamacare being postponed has our little troll all in a dither, doesn't it?

Wouldn't we all want it to be postponed? Also, what's a dither?

JCDenton0451
10-14-2013, 03:17 PM
To whom is this supposed debt owed?

Does it matter? It's debt. It needs to be paid. Or else, there will be a catastrophe on the global financial and currency markets. Many Tea Parties are lacking basic knowledge of economics, too blinded by fear of Obamacare, but a default would do far more damage to the US economy than Obamacare ever could.

Dr.3D
10-14-2013, 03:18 PM
Does it matter? It's debt. It needs to be paid. Or else, there will be a catastrophe on the global financial and currency markets. Many Tea Parties are lacking basic knowledge of economics, too blinded by fear of Obamacare, but a default would do far more damage to the US economy than Obamacare ever could.
Let those who signed for the debt pay it.

I didn't sign anything saying I authorized any debt.

Acala
10-14-2013, 03:19 PM
This shows the effect that the media has on public opinion. If it weren't for the 24/7 talking head channels, hardly anybody would even realize there was a shutdown.

Exactly

angelatc
10-14-2013, 03:19 PM
But they will surely give a crap if the government defaults on its debt.

Face it: 47% of Republicans disapprove of Republican position, and not because they think it's not intransigent enough. Basically, it's Tea Party vs America right now.

Good. Hope the TEA Party wins, even though those ignorant fux don't deserve to be saved from themselves.

And we've shown you again and again that defaulting on the debt isn't a necessity, but you just keep ignoring that for some reason.

And even if it were true, unlike you, and most of the fiscally ignorant voters I don't think it is the responsibility of my unborn grandchildren to save the present day world economy.

fearthereaperx
10-14-2013, 03:19 PM
Does it matter? It's debt. It needs to be paid. Or else, there will be a catastrophe on the global financial and currency markets. Many Tea Parties are lacking basic knowledge of economics, too blinded by fear of Obamacare, but a default would do far more damage to the US economy than Obamacare ever could.

And that is why Obama will delay the individual mandate or risk losing his legacy in saving the economy.

Acala
10-14-2013, 03:23 PM
But they will surely give a crap if the government defaults on its debt.



You are deluded. The federal government is not going to default on its debt. Want to know why? Because if they did, people would stop lending them money and the drunken sailor would have to stop the party. The drunken sailor is not going to stop the party as long as he can borrow, steal, or print another dollar. If it meant keeping its credit intact, the government would throw every widow, orphan, and disabled vet in the country into a volcano in a heartbeat. The threat of default is as empty as Barbara Boxer's head.

angelatc
10-14-2013, 03:25 PM
You are deluded. The federal government is not going to default on its debt. Want to know why? Because if they did, people would stop lending them money and the drunken sailor would have to stop the party. The drunken sailor is not going to stop the party as long as he can borrow, steal, or print another dollar. If it meant keeping its credit intact, the government would throw every widow, orphan, and disabled vet in the country into a volcano in a heartbeat. The threat of default is as empty as Barbara Boxer's head.

They don't care if they have to throw people into the volcano as long as they can blame the GOP. It's all a big game to them. "Sure, I could cut back on spending, but why do that when I can force these losers into paying more?"

A real President would be telling people to remain calm, tell them that there was noting to panic over and start discussing what was going to be cut if the debt ceiling was reached.

Instead, we have a war lord beating the drums of doom and gloom to blackmail us into supporting our own eventual demise.

Dr.3D
10-14-2013, 03:25 PM
First our op says Republicans are responsible for the shutdown and now he is saying it's the Tea Party people. LOL.... wish he would make up his mind.

JCDenton0451
10-14-2013, 03:26 PM
That's a good one.

Riddle me this, are we a democracy or a republic?

America will be People's Republic very soon, if Tea Partiers succeed in driving people away from the Republican party. This is a simple two-party system, and as the people grow increasingly unhappy with GOP, they will turn to the other major party. The Dems will obviously interpret it as a mandate, they will replace Obamacare with a single-payer system right quick...

Cabal
10-14-2013, 03:27 PM
What government shutdown?

angelatc
10-14-2013, 03:28 PM
America will be People's Republic very soon, if Tea Partiers succeed in driving people away from the Republican party. This is a simple two-party system, and as the people grow increasingly unhappy with GOP, they will turn to the other major party. The Dems will obviously interpret it as a mandate, they will replace Obamacare with a single-payer system right quick...


That's fine. The sooner the economy crashes the better off our children will be.

eduardo89
10-14-2013, 03:31 PM
But they will surely give a crap if the government defaults on its debt.

Why would the government default?

Antischism
10-14-2013, 03:37 PM
The government was shut down? Something was supposed to come out of this circus? It sounds like the GOP took a chance on a political maneuver in hopes that it would turn things and public opinion in their favor, but it backfired horribly. The sooner both parties die off, the better.

Brett85
10-14-2013, 03:40 PM
And JCDenton keeps posting his regular Daily Kos propaganda.

HOLLYWOOD
10-14-2013, 03:41 PM
What government shutdown?Yeah, the Great "HYPE & LIES" of partisan government & their cohorts in Fascist corporatist media. It's all garbage and lies today.

That pussy John Boehner/Eric Cantor/Mitch McConnell caved to Obama and Harry Reid. The last offer was for everything for the progressive Marxists in exchange for removal of the medical device tax. Harry Reid and Obama gave them all the middle finger and wants a $3/4 of a Trillion debt ceiling hike(conveiniently reaches through 2014 next election) ANDDDDDDDDDD, they want the sequester cuts money, reinstated.

They have gone full on megalomaniac nuts in the Senate/White House.

devil21
10-14-2013, 03:50 PM
America will be People's Republic very soon, if Tea Partiers succeed in driving people away from the Republican party. This is a simple two-party system, and as the people grow increasingly unhappy with GOP, they will turn to the other major party. The Dems will obviously interpret it as a mandate, they will replace Obamacare with a single-payer system right quick...

Which was the ultimate goal all along. NEED TO STEAL MORE MONEY FROM THE PEOPLE SINCE THE OLDER PONZI SCHEMES ARE FAILING.

However, I disagree that people will turn to the Democrat party in droves if they find Tea Party rhetoric too extreme. That's like saying that someone driven away from the extremism of fascism will turn to communism instead. More and more talk of third parties these days. Last I checked, Congress has a 5% approval rating. There's not many Tea Party types in that 535 total. Btw, Tea Party/Liberty/Constitution rhetoric is the only thing bringing people into the GOP now.

angelatc
10-14-2013, 03:54 PM
Yeah, the Great "HYPE & LIES" of partisan government & their cohorts in Fascist corporatist media. It's all garbage and lies today.

That pussy John Boehner/Eric Cantor/Mitch McConnell caved to Obama and Harry Reid. The last offer was for everything for the progressive Marxists in exchange for removal of the medical device tax. Harry Reid and Obama gave them all the middle finger and wants a $3/4 of a Trillion debt ceiling hike(conveiniently reaches through 2014 next election) ANDDDDDDDDDD, they want the sequester cuts money, reinstated.

They have gone full on megalomaniac nuts in the Senate/White House.

So one party is advocating for more debt, while the other party is advocating for more debt, but we;re supposed to run around wailing that the public blames us for not adding more debt?

Dr.3D
10-14-2013, 03:58 PM
So one party is advocating for more debt, while the other party is advocating for more debt, but we;re supposed to run around wailing that the public blames us for not adding more debt?
People need to understand, when it's all done and settled, the government (dems, reps.. establishment) will again add more debt.

ObiRandKenobi
10-14-2013, 04:03 PM
i will blame those that end the partial government shutdown.

Anti Federalist
10-14-2013, 04:03 PM
Does it matter? It's debt. It needs to be paid. Or else, there will be a catastrophe on the global financial and currency markets. Many Tea Parties are lacking basic knowledge of economics, too blinded by fear of Obamacare, but a default would do far more damage to the US economy than Obamacare ever could.

Show me the credit slip with my signature on it.

I didn't agree to any of that spending.

Fuck a bunch of debt accrued by thieves and extortionists.

Fuck it, let it all burn down.

Anti Federalist
10-14-2013, 04:04 PM
That's fine. The sooner the economy crashes the better off our children will be.

+rep

angelatc
10-14-2013, 04:08 PM
+rep

I do not necessarily disagree that people who won't advocate using tax money to buy votes will lose elections. I just disagree strongly with the notion that the interests of the GOP outweigh the interests of the nation.

If the GOP has to lose elections for 20 years to pin the coming collapse on the Democrats, then so be it. But if they want to continue to pretend that they are fiscal conservatives while selling us all into slavery, I could not care less about them winning elections.

bunklocoempire
10-14-2013, 04:18 PM
People need to understand, when it's all done and settled, the government (dems, reps.. establishment) will again add more debt.

Sheesh! Thanks a lot for the spoiler!

Need a spoiler alert over here on post #29 ASAP please! :p;)

If people could just remember the last time those two (R's & D's) "went at it" and what the liberty damaging results were that time.


Americans Increasingly sure... Is that the same Americans who allow this kind of a puppet show? The same ones huh?

Well there ya go. :toady:

Dr.3D
10-14-2013, 04:21 PM
Sheesh! Thanks a lot for the spoiler!

Need a spoiler alert over here on post #29 ASAP please! :p;)

If people could just remember the last time those two (R's & D's) "went at it" and what the liberty damaging results were that time.

Is that the same Americans who allow this kind of a puppet show? The same ones huh?

Well there ya go. :toady:

Yeah, old plot in action....... SSDD.

Boogity, boogity... government shutdown, government default... boogity, boogity.

Oh damn, am I supposed to be scared?

Occam's Banana
10-14-2013, 05:44 PM
"Defaulting on the debt" is NOT going to happen. It's all a bunch of mealy-mouthed bullshit. Failure to raise the so-called "debt ceiling" will NOT prevent the U.S. government from meeting its debt-based interest obligations. Democrats, liberal Republicans and the media know this.

The ONLY difference between this "default" nonsense and the "shutdown" issue is that the Establishment has no problem discommoding and inconveniencing others with its "shutdown" antics (by closing parks, monuments, etc.). But they can only "huff and puff" when it comes to their ridiculous & empty threats over "defaulting" - they'll NEVER actually go through with it, because (unlike their "shutdown" shenanigans) "defaulting" would have grave consequences for themselves (and, of course, their cronies).

If the "Tea Party anarchists" (LOL) are too weak-willed to stand their ground in the face of such a pathetic bluff as "default," then what does it really matter if they "save face" by caving to public opinion? JCDenton and the rest of the concern-troll crowd can pretend all they like that they're only motivated by solicitous worry over the "damage" the recalcitrants are supposedly doing to themselves. But a bluff is a bluff is a bluff. And if this one isn't "called," then it's "game over" and we're pretty much screwed anyway.

GregSarnowski
10-14-2013, 05:51 PM
And that is why Obama will delay the individual mandate or risk losing his legacy in saving the economy.

Obama can't delay the individual mandate without the entire law coming unwound. The whole point of Obamacare is to force young and healthy people to subsidize the old and sick. If he delayed the individual mandate he would also have to delay the requirement for insurance companies to accept those with pre-existing conditions. Otherwise the insurance companies would be financially devastated, which Obama really doesn't want, being first and foremost a corporatist.

ctiger2
10-14-2013, 05:59 PM
The constant propaganda is working.