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JCDenton0451
10-13-2013, 09:25 AM
Rand Paul: Sequester's the law of the land (http://www.politico.com/blogs/politico-live/2013/10/rand-paul-the-sequesters-the-law-of-the-land-174926.html?hp=r1)

Sen. Rand Paul said Sunday "the one thing" he could not accept as part of a deal to end the government shutdown is an increase in the sequestration caps.


"It's funny," the Kentucky Republican said of Democrats. "They're all about Obamacare being the law of the land, but so's the sequester. If we exceed that, it's real big step in the wrong direction."


"I can't imagine you're going to get Senate Republicans to vote for something that exceeds the sequester caps," he said on CNN's "State of the Union." I think it's a huge mistake for the country." The No. 1 concern for the country is its debt, he said.


"Compromise is in the eyes of the beholder," he said.



I fear that Republican negotiation position is so weak right now, they'll be forced to give up sequester cuts as well.

FSP-Rebel
10-13-2013, 09:54 AM
W/o the likes of Rand and Ted running the media gamut it's likely that the GOP would've already caved. I think these tough Senators give some needed backbone to the House.

Chester Copperpot
10-13-2013, 09:55 AM
love it

JCDenton0451
10-13-2013, 10:08 AM
W/o the likes of Rand and Ted running the media gamut it's likely that the GOP would've already caved. I think these tough Senators give some needed backbone to the House.

Respectfully, if it wasn't for Ted Cruz, Republicans wouldn't be in this miserable situation in the first place. BTW, have you noticed, GOP leaders aren't talking about Obamacare anymore.:rolleyes:

jj-
10-13-2013, 10:22 AM
GOP leaders aren't talking about Obamacare anymore.

They never were. Establishment Republicans are Democrats with Rs next to their names.

JCDenton0451
10-13-2013, 06:12 PM
Looks like House Republicans relly intend to trade sequestration cuts for the promises of entitlement cuts in the future. From politico: (http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/room-for-a-deal-under-budget-caps-98230.html?hp=l1)


Who knew?


In an interesting twist, House Republicans are showing more flexibility than their Senate counterparts when it comes to adjusting the appropriations caps under the Budget Control Act.

No one expects to replace sequestration entirely. But in an effort to break the ice, there were discussions with the White House Thursday evening about a framework that would allow more discretionary spending in 2014 in return for entitlement reforms and some flexibility by President Barack Obama in implementing his Affordable Care Act.

eduardo89
10-13-2013, 06:18 PM
Looks like House Republicans relly intend to trade sequestration cuts for the promises of entitlement cuts in the future. From politico: (http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/room-for-a-deal-under-budget-caps-98230.html?hp=l1)

I'd be for that. Sequester is a pittance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exrFOQyFsHU), as Rand said in one interview. It does absolutely nothing to restore fiscal sanity long-term (or even short term). Entitlement reform, especially Medicare, is what is sorely needed. Medicare alone will be about 15% of GDP by 2080.

JCDenton0451
10-13-2013, 06:35 PM
I'd be for that. Sequester is a pittance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exrFOQyFsHU), as Rand said in one interview. It does absolutely nothing to restore fiscal sanity long-term (or even short term). Entitlement reform, especially Medicare, is what is sorely needed. Medicare alone will be about 15% of GDP by 2080.

I agree, but Obama and his Democrat allies will never agree to any meaningful entitlement reform. Republicans are offering a very real concession in exchange for some Obama's promises, which are obviously worth nothing.

RonPaulFanInGA
10-13-2013, 06:40 PM
I'd be for that.

I wouldn't. They're never going to cut entitlements in any meaningful way. The Democrats never keep their promises.

eduardo89
10-13-2013, 08:27 PM
I agree, but Obama and his Democrat allies will never agree to any meaningful entitlement reform. Republicans are offering a very real concession in exchange for some Obama's promises, which are obviously worth nothing.


I wouldn't. They're never going to cut entitlements in any meaningful way. The Democrats never keep their promises.

I agree with you both. Unless the deal to get rid of the sequester is part of the entitlements reform, I wouldn't touch it. Democrats never keep their promises, but Republicans keep falling for the same trick.

Christian Liberty
10-13-2013, 08:54 PM
I'd be for that. Sequester is a pittance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exrFOQyFsHU), as Rand said in one interview. It does absolutely nothing to restore fiscal sanity long-term (or even short term). Entitlement reform, especially Medicare, is what is sorely needed. Medicare alone will be about 15% of GDP by 2080.

The problem is its a trade for a promise for something later. Only an idiot would not immediately detect the BS in that.

We need a default. Anything less is ignoring reality and basic ethics, namely that just because GangUSA is in debt does not give them a right to steal from other people to fulfill their "obligations."

Peace&Freedom
10-14-2013, 08:58 AM
The problem is its a trade for a promise for something later. Only an idiot would not immediately detect the BS in that.

We need a default. Anything less is ignoring reality and basic ethics, namely that just because GangUSA is in debt does not give them a right to steal from other people to fulfill their "obligations."

Yup. The "we'll promise to curb spending later, in exchange for more spending and borrowing as usual right now" deal is the old Lucy and the football trick the Charlie Brown conservatives always cave in for. The puppet show hack Democrats and Republicans want no real compromise to curb spending or borrowing. The Tea party and liberty people of backbone are fighting this, and apparently have enough clout in the debate to keep things at an impasse---unlike in 2011, they're not caving this time and accepting more spending/borrowing as usual with no real controls. The side with the controlling leverage will drive the compromise, as in if the TP folks don't fold, they'll win.

Occam's Banana
10-14-2013, 03:14 PM
They're never going to cut entitlements in any meaningful way. The Democrats never keep their promises.

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