Dems campaigning to "shut down" the Tea Party

[Carlybee]

Saw this petition thing on FB and have seen a lot of things lately blaming the Tea Party for the shut down. It's getting almost civil war-ish out there.




The Tea Party led government shutdown is wrong. We will not allow our country to be held hostage by Tea Party anarchists who hate the idea of giving affordable health care access to Americans. We should shut down the Tea Party, not our government!

We're already starting to see the impact of the Tea Party shutdown – and it will only get worse.

Workers are furloughed. Parks are barricaded. And now families of sick children will be told to turn around if they try to enter the National Institute of Health Clinical Center in their last hope in the search for a cure.

The Tea Party should be ashamed. They shut down our government, but they won't shut out our voices. We must speak out and then work to vote out the Tea Party.

Sign our petition and join the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee to shut down the Tea Party!


Broke the link

http://leftactiondotcom/action/shut-down-tea-party-not-our-government

[torchbearer]

there is no tea party. its something we did back in 2007..
we are going randslide in 2016. no need for tea.

[Mr.NoSmile]

Really pushing to make that whole 'anarchist' thing stick, aren't they?

[JCDenton0451]

Saw this petition thing on FB and have seen a lot of things lately blaming the Tea Party for the shut down. It's getting almost civil war-ish out there.

Broke the link

http://leftactiondotcom/action/shut-down-tea-party-not-our-government What do you mean 'blaming the Tea Party' for the shutdown? Didn't they engineer the whole thing? They call it 'taking a stand'.:rolleyes:

[torchbearer]

Really pushing to make that whole 'anarchist' thing stick, aren't they?

fine. then lets end the fed- as in the federal government.

[Carlybee]

Yes I know about how the modern day tea party got started but they are referring to the Tea Party contingent in Congress and they keep trying to control the narrative. I personally could go full out anarcho myself, but working with what we have I would rather 2 parties than 1 party in power and they want 1 party. Republicans need to take back the narrative. This is the kind of garbage I see all freaking day long and these libtards are totally not only brainwashed but carrying the water.

[JCDenton0451]

Do you support the government shutdown, Carlybee? I mean as a strategy to extract concessions on Obamacare? How would you justify it to a non-partisan, independent voter?

[ctiger2]

I thought the Tea Party was irrelevant and dissolved.

I love how a mere 17% of the Govt is not working and that's considered a SHUTDOWN! lol

What they're really concerned about is the Liberty movement. And that will be very hard to stop. Good luck.

[Carlybee]

Do you support the government shutdown, Carlybee? I mean as a strategy to extract concessions on Obamacare? How would you justify it to a non-partisan, independent voter?

I'm not sure it's accomplishing anything if Republicans end up being blamed for it. Personally I think there's a lot of govt that could be shut down permanently. I don't know how you justify it to low information voters regardless of their politics. If people refuse to see that we need some common sense governance then they are beyond reason. I would hope there are independent voters with brains out there, but even then anyone with half a brain should know this is an ugly game of chess.

[Brian4Liberty]

They would like to put "Tea-baggers" in prison, if not just summarily executed. You have been demonized. You are no longer human.

[JCDenton0451]

I'm not sure it's accomplishing anything if Republicans end up being blamed for it. Personally I think there's a lot of govt that could be shut down permanently. I don't know how you justify it to low information voters regardless of their politics. If people refuse to see that we need some common sense governance then they are beyond reason. I would hope there are independent voters with brains out there, but even then anyone with half a brain should know this is an ugly game of chess.

I think of myself as an "independent voter with a brain" and I oppose this strongly. It's not like there is any potential payoff in the end - only a seriously delusional person can think that Obama would agree to dismantle his own signature healthcare law.

[Carlybee]

I think of myself as an "independent voter with a brain" and I oppose this strongly. It's not like there is any potential payoff in the end - only a seriously delusional person can think that Obama would agree to dismantle his own signature healthcare law.

I think it's late in the day for it..I'm not sure why something drastic wasn't done months ago honestly after the SCOTUS decision (what I don't know) but I agree...Obama is not going to blink on this. At this point, the Republicans can't afford to either. SNAFU.

[Mini-Me]

I think it's late in the day for it..I'm not sure why something drastic wasn't done months ago honestly after the SCOTUS decision (what I don't know) but I agree...Obama is not going to blink on this. At this point, the Republicans can't afford to either. SNAFU.

We all know that the politicians in DC will never, ever, EVER balance the budget by choice. Barring an electoral revolution in favor of libertarians and our allies, the only way they'll ever do it before a currency collapse is if they eventually fail to ram through another debt ceiling increase. From that perspective, you could view this battle as one of our very few realistic opportunities to change course. The fact that it's so unlikely to change anything just demonstrates how screwed we are.

The real problem here is the establishment Republicans suck just as badly as the Democrats. If they didn't, this would be an opportunity to finally force a compromise in the right direction: "Balance the damn budget or repeal Obamacare, because we're not voting for yet another debt limit increase without real concessions." However, that would require them to mean business. Instead, Boehner and the establishment Republicans are just as averse to real budget cuts as any Democrat. Pretty much everyone knows they'll fold before the 17th, which gives Obama and Democrats in Congress little reason to concede anything at all.

In short, the Republicans are technically holding all of the cards, but they're unwilling to play them, which makes this no better than a bluff. In the end their priorities are just too similar to those of the Democrats, and the few who actually mean business are hopelessly outnumbered. In the end, this will be portrayed as the "Tea Party's" failed attempt to "hold the government hostage," and Boehner is complicit in this narrative.

[JCDenton0451]

I think it's late in the day for it..I'm not sure why something drastic wasn't done months ago honestly after the SCOTUS decision (what I don't know) but I agree...Obama is not going to blink on this. At this point, the Republicans can't afford to either. SNAFU.

Obama can't. But Republicans can and should for the sake of the party. True, they'll become a laughingstock in the eyes of the public, but that wouldn't be anything new lol, and it's better than to be universally reviled.

[Antischism]

I feel like these political theatrics and the whole government paid vacation deal is simply going to end with a more energized Democratic party and a heightened sense of negativity towards Republicans. You know what was working? Rand Paul speaking out against drones, speaking against the NSA and taking a stand against intervention in Syria. A good portion of Dems were getting on board with that. What progress was being made towards working together to fight against the truly horrific things across party lines has been totally, utterly destroyed.

[Carlybee]

Obama can't. But Republicans can and should for the sake of the party. True, they'll become a laughingstock in the eyes of the public, but that wouldn't be anything new lol, and it's better than to be universally reviled.

I disagree simply because another decade of Democrat rule and we are beyond f*cked. At least more Republicans are now cognizant about what it feels like to be a hair width away from socialism. Of course they still have fascists within their ranks but at least there are some liberty voices now.

[mosquitobite]

The Republicans will never get another chance if they cave on this now. If they were going to cave, it should have been before the shut down.

Now, if they do, their base will be completely demoralized. As if the last decade wasn't enough to do it, if they cave on ACA now, after the shut down - most will throw up their hands and say "why bother".

The L party may get some benefit, but I think many would just stop voting.

[Working Poor]

They would like to put "Tea-baggers" in prison, if not just summarily executed. You have been demonized. You are no longer human.
From what I read at liberal sites this is true. It is kind of scary.

[better-dead-than-fed]

I think of myself as an "independent voter with a brain" and I oppose this strongly. It's not like there is any potential payoff in the end - only a seriously delusional person can think that Obama would agree to dismantle his own signature healthcare law.

So what if Obama doesn't dismantle it? Why can't we just continue the shutdown indefinitely?

[ClydeCoulter]

A stand against the spending and O'care MUST be made right now. We cannot afford to wait until O'care is entrenched. Republicans just have to continue to refute the lies.

[cajuncocoa]

A stand against the spending and O'care MUST be made right now. We cannot afford to wait until O'care is entrenched. Republicans just have to continue to refute the lies.
I agree with this. If it doesn't happen now, when? It's up to us to generate conversations about this in our daily lives and debunk the lies that people have been told. You can't change everyone's mind, but you may be able to enlighten 1 or 2 along the way.

[better-dead-than-fed]

blaming commending for the shut down..

[Tod]

On the radio news this morning, some guy was talking about how "they" didn't want to fund WIC and how WIC was being held together with local funds. He never said who "they" are, but the implication was clear.


The "low information voter" and non-voter is not going to know that the House has passed bills to fund WIC, they are going to think it is all the republican's fault.

If this keeps up expect rioting.

[Dary]

From what I read at liberal sites this is true. It is kind of scary.

Terrorists. Taking hostages at gunpoint. Extremists. Criminals. Gun to the head. Bombs on the chest. Threatening. Radicals. Tantamount to using nuclear weapons, ect...

They WANT a collapse. Why else would they use language like that? This is NOT how you win friends and influence people.

It is easy to see what is going on here. It's nothing more than pure instigation.

Well the only thing I have to say to them is: I'm rubber, you're glue. Whatever you say, bounces off of me and sticks to you.

(Thanks Mom.:))

[JCDenton0451]

They would like to put "Tea-baggers" in prison, if not just summarily executed. You have been demonized. You are no longer human.From what I read at liberal sites this is true. It is kind of scary.

I'm angry at the Tea Party right now, very angry. And I oppose Obamacare. Imagine the rage the Democrats are feeling...

[cajuncocoa]

I'm angry at the Tea Party right now, very angry. And I oppose Obamacare. Imagine the rage the Democrats are feeling...
Why are you angry? Serious question, because I'm not angry at all and I don't understand why anyone here would be either.

I have seen rage from Dems, and they can be very scary...but I cannot enable them in spite of that.

[Carlybee]

I'm angry at the Tea Party right now, very angry. And I oppose Obamacare. Imagine the rage the Democrats are feeling...

Any rage the Dems are feeling was brought on themselves when they decided to nationalize healthcare and put it in a bill that according to Pelosi had to be passed before they knew what was in it.

[enhanced_deficit]

Once British masters tried to shut down tea party.. and look what happened :

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Shouldn't Dems be lookingat themselves and hold drone king SWC puppet accountable? What about Miriam Carey shooting justice?
There are other things in life besides freebees.

[JK/SEA]

I'm angry at the Tea Party right now, very angry. And I oppose Obamacare. Imagine the rage the Democrats are feeling...

ok...geez...i gotta just laugh at this statement.

Thankyou. I needed that.

[JCDenton0451]

Why are you angry? Serious question, because I'm not angry at all and I don't understand why anyone here would be either.

I oppose political blackmail. It's desperate, immoral and self-defeating tactic.


Any rage the Dems are feeling was brought on themselves when they decided to nationalize healthcare and put it in a bill that according to Pelosi had to be passed before they knew what was in it.

It's kinda like saying that Americans brought 9-11 on themselves. The TP is still responsible for its actions.

[better-dead-than-fed]

I oppose political blackmail.

By "political blackmail" you mean the House's constitutional authority granted in Article 1, Section 7?


All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives....


It's desperate, immoral and self-defeating tactic.

You feel that about the whole constitution, or just that particular section?

[Carlybee]

I oppose political blackmail. It's desperate, immoral and self-defeating tactic.



It's kinda like saying that Americans brought 9-11 on themselves. The TP is still responsible for its actions.

Hardly the same. The Dems are manipulating this shutdown. They bar veterans from the WWII Memorial yet allow a pro immigration rally on the lawn with Mexican flags flying? I'm not a huge Tea Party fan myself but they are hardly responsible for everything that is going on. You are buying into the rhetoric.