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tod evans
10-08-2013, 05:28 AM
From Drudge;


Get your fiscal house in order: China warns US as Asia's expresses concern for $1.3tn of investments

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/get-your-fiscal-house-in-order-china-warns-us-as-asias-expresses-concern-for-13tn-of-investments-8864935.html

'Clock is ticking', says Chinese minister, as US fails to break deadlock over government shutdown and fast-approaching ‘debt ceiling’ deadline

China, the biggest foreign creditor of the United States, has waded into the American budget crisis, warning Congress that it must resolve the political impasse over the debt ceiling without further delay.

The Chinese Vice Foreign Minister, Zhu Guangyao, told America’s deadlocked politicians on Monday that “the clock is ticking” and called on them to approve an extension of the national borrowing limit before the federal government is projected to run out of cash on 17 October.

“We ask that the United States earnestly takes steps to resolve in a timely way the political issues around the debt ceiling and prevent a US debt default to ensure the safety of Chinese investments in the United States,” Mr Zhu told reporters in Beijing. “This is the United States’ responsibility,” he added.

The American government entered its seventh day of shutdown on Monday, following the failure of Congress to approve the national budget a week ago. And there was little sign of progress on the still more crucial issue of the fast-approaching “debt ceiling” deadline. Yet rather than indicating a willingness to negotiate, the Republican Speaker of the House of Representatives, John Boehner, stated on Sunday that it was “time for us to stand and fight” over the budget. He added that a default was “the path we’re on”. American stock markets opened down in response to the belligerent comments yesterday, with the S&P 500 Index of leading shares shedding 0.5 per cent.

In September 2008 China eclipsed Japan to become the biggest single foreign creditor of the US federal government. The US administration estimates that the China government holds at least $1.3 trillion of its bonds. The total could be higher because Beijing is known to hold American debt through intermediaries. And, in total, the Beijing authorities have $3.5trn of dollar-denominated assets, which would also be hit hard in the event of a default.

These vast foreign exchange holdings are a by-product of China’s closed financial system and persistent current account surplus, which means that most foreign currency that enters the country accumulates with the central bank. The central bank then invests the money in normally “safe” dollar assets. The vast dollar reserves are also a legacy of China’s policy in recent decades of artificially holding down the value of its currency, the renminbi, in order to boost the overseas sales of its politically influential export industry.

However, economists have criticised the popular idea that China could exert political or economic leverage over Washington by threatening to sell its dollar investments, since such a drastic shift would ultimately serve to undermine the paper value of Beijing’s own vast investment portfolio. Nevertheless, China’s creditor position and its status as the world’s second largest economy gives its voice some authority in Washington and Mr Zhu made it clear that private representations had already been made. “The US is clearly aware of China’s concerns about the financial stalemate and China’s request for the US to ensure the safety of Chinese investments,” he said yesterday.

Since the global financial crisis, which led to a sharp depreciation in the value of the dollar against the renminbi, the authorities in Beijing have been concerned about the fact that so much of their national reserves are held in the form of the American currency. China has been promoting the idea of a new reserve currency to replace the greenback, with some analysts suggesting that the renminbi could one day take its place.

Mr Zhu stressed that it was vital, not only for China but the wider global economy, for America to resolve its budget impasse. “Safeguarding the debt is of vital importance to the economy of the US and the world,” he said. Referring to a similar deadlock in 2011, which led to a downgrade of the US AAA credit rating by the Standard & Poor’s agency, Mr Zhu said: “We hope the United States fully understands the lessons of history.”

The concerns over the stability of the dollar come at a time of geo-political flux. Barack Obama has sought to “pivot” his foreign policy to Asia to counter China’s growing military influence. But the shutdown has forced the US President to cancel his visit to Asia this week to attend a summit.

phill4paul
10-08-2013, 05:30 AM
Dear China,

The checks in the mail.

Sincerely, the U.S.

Quark
10-08-2013, 05:36 AM
China, if you want your money don't give it to the U.S. Oh wait, you need to? Too bad, then. Poor investments happen daily. Government has no idea what it's doing, and people want us to hand over more of our power to decide to government. :rolleyes:

Tyler_Durden
10-08-2013, 05:42 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr3WE6iAhHg&feature=youtube_gdata_player

MRK
10-08-2013, 06:10 AM
Malinvestment in malinvestment...

Two Wongs don't make a right?

A Son of Liberty
10-08-2013, 06:43 AM
The emperor's clothes appear to be falling off...

qh4dotcom
10-08-2013, 07:02 AM
China is asking the US to raise the debt limit? How stupid

FunkBuddha
10-08-2013, 07:26 AM
Poetry from China to the US.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnME92JU9zc

tangent4ronpaul
10-08-2013, 07:36 AM
You know what's on the table is just paying off the interest and funding the gvmt followed by a Congressional SPEND, SPEND, SPEND frenzy...

What won't be on the table is just paying off the interest with no further funding. And things like maybe furlowing or laying off some of the 82% of gvmt that is still working or selling off unneeded assets like cargo aircraft and mechanical bulls won't even be considered.

-t

A Son of Liberty
10-08-2013, 07:38 AM
China is asking the US to raise the debt limit? How stupid

They are slowly unloading their position. They need to continue to be paid in the meantime.

jtstellar
10-08-2013, 08:04 AM
sorry you tell what?

evilfunnystuff
10-08-2013, 08:38 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzdtnaLOvck&feature=youtube_gdata_player

VBRonPaulFan
10-08-2013, 08:42 AM
China is one to freakin' talk. I'm surprised they had time to bitch about our affairs while they've been so busy building empty cities.

Natural Citizen
10-08-2013, 08:47 AM
China is one to freakin' talk. I'm surprised they had time to bitch about our affairs while they've been so busy building empty cities.

Hm. Wait until they start emptying their cities onto American Soil. At this rate expect to see our chosen ones start to just hand over American land to China. Really. Maybe consider those Chinese ghost cities to be mock-ups. No? Think again.

Just one more reason that the 2nd amendment isn't convenient for some folks who get paid to think?

dinosaur
10-08-2013, 08:54 AM
Hm. Wait until they start emptying their cities onto American Soil. At this rate expect to see our chosen ones start to just hand over American land to China. Really.

You know, that is one reason why I am in no hurry for a crash or SHTF scenario. It won't be like the Revolution series on tv where there is no foreign invasion. We really need to make a heroic effort to try to fix this place.

tod evans
10-08-2013, 08:56 AM
China is one to freakin' talk. I'm surprised they had time to bitch about our affairs while they've been so busy building empty cities.

They can do whatever they want with their money, they've earned it.

We on the other hand have permitted our politicians to borrow..........

EBounding
10-08-2013, 09:06 AM
It's very kind of the Chinese to take our pictures of dead presidents in exchange for plastic crap.

VBRonPaulFan
10-08-2013, 10:19 AM
They can do whatever they want with their money, they've earned it.

We on the other hand have permitted our politicians to borrow..........

Not really. One of the only thing the Chinese let their people invest in is worthless real estate that is hopelessly inflated by their government. Their politicians are just as bad or as worse as ours.

Occam's Banana
10-08-2013, 10:22 AM
In September 2008 China eclipsed Japan to become the biggest single foreign creditor of the US federal government. The US administration estimates that the China government holds at least $1.3 trillion of its bonds. The total could be higher because Beijing is known to hold American debt through intermediaries. And, in total, the Beijing authorities have $3.5trn of dollar-denominated assets, which would also be hit hard in the event of a default.

Caveat emptor, bitches!

Acala
10-08-2013, 10:28 AM
Ahahahahahahaha! Suckers!!!!! Oh, wait . . . [looks at own pension] Whaaaaa!

Occam's Banana
10-08-2013, 10:44 AM
So in order to secure the debt the U.S. government already owes them, the Chinese government wants the U.S. gov. to go even deeper into debt.

Typical "kick the can down the road" BS - and U.S. pols will be delighted to oblige them for "kick the can" reasons of their own.

government (noun): a species of intertemporal parasite, being the largest and most voraciously dangerous of its kind

GunnyFreedom
10-08-2013, 11:02 AM
China is asking the US to raise the debt limit? How stupid

China wants China to dominate the global economy, not the United States.

r123
10-08-2013, 02:07 PM
The Quarter Solution This unique 2-step process could solve both the immediate and long-term debt crisis for the United States: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYr3-emD1VA&feature=c4-overview&list=UUhZRoC9bMegevAxFmee1oSA

Zippyjuan
10-08-2013, 02:24 PM
They are slowly unloading their position. They need to continue to be paid in the meantime.


They hold more debt than they did a year ago- $1.277 trillion vs $1.16 trillion (figures for month of July). Totals are down a tiny bit ($20 billion) from their May peak of $1.297 trillion. Wouldn't exactly consider that "unloading" their position. http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/tic/Documents/mfh.txt

S.Shorland
10-08-2013, 04:23 PM
Those 'ghost cities' are to house American guest workers on the assembly lines so the new Chinese middle class can enjoy the standard of living they actually worked for.

69360
10-08-2013, 04:25 PM
Screw them. Let it burn. They only hold like 1/16 of the debt anyway. What are they going to do stop selling us cheap crap at walmart? I'm shaking.

Legend1104
10-08-2013, 05:27 PM
"The debtor is slave to the lender."
proverbs 22:7

A Son of Liberty
10-09-2013, 08:31 AM
Caveat emptor, bitches!

I thought the Fed surpassed them as the largest holder of US Treasury debt?


They hold more debt than they did a year ago- $1.277 trillion vs $1.16 trillion (figures for month of July). Totals are down a tiny bit ($20 billion) from their May peak of $1.297 trillion. Wouldn't exactly consider that "unloading" their position. http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/tic/Documents/mfh.txt

Ah - good catch, thanks. They had been unloading, but it seems they're back to buying.