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sluggo
10-03-2013, 12:31 PM
on lockdown now.

Some injuries.

Story developing.

Correction: shooting was OUTSIDE of the building.

garyallen59
10-03-2013, 12:31 PM
developing...

Early reports from The Blaze:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/10/03/report-shots-fired-near-u-s-capitol/

Breitbart:
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/03/US-Capitol-in-lockdown

Live stream at the scene:
http://www.myfoxdc.com/category/233074/live-news-video#axzz2ggZ4NvC8

Red Green
10-03-2013, 12:32 PM
No worries it was just a pig that got shot. Probably accidentally shot himself trying to take out a puppy wandering around without a leash.

ravedown
10-03-2013, 12:33 PM
good job tea party!

GregSarnowski
10-03-2013, 12:33 PM
Woah how could this happened, aren't guns banned in D.C.??

Red Green
10-03-2013, 12:33 PM
Did someone bust out Kokesh?

tod evans
10-03-2013, 12:34 PM
Is Adam loose?

;)

green73
10-03-2013, 12:34 PM
http://www.drudgereport.com/siren.gif
SHOTS FIRED AT CAPITOL (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/03/US-Capitol-in-lockdown)
http://www.drudgereport.com/i/logo9.gif (http://www.drudgereport.com/)

Red Green
10-03-2013, 12:35 PM
Woah how could this happened, aren't guns banned in D.C.??

Haven't you heard? The govt is shutdown, so naturally there is all sorts of chaos going on in the streets. The place is probably flooded with guns without the govt there to keep DC gun-free.

jllundqu
10-03-2013, 12:37 PM
Leave it to drudge to breath alarmism into everything

green73
10-03-2013, 12:37 PM
Blamed on the shutdown in 3...2...1...

HOLLYWOOD
10-03-2013, 12:39 PM
Capital is in LOCKDOWN
http://drudgereport.com/siren.gif

Require Senate and Staff to immediately shelter in place...

Close, Lock, and Stay Away from all External doors/windows...

Take:
Annunciators...
Emergency Supplies Kits...
Escape Hoods...
Move To Offices Assigned Shelter Locations...
Head for Inner most part of the Capital building...
Check-In with your OEC...

PSYOP
10-03-2013, 12:39 PM
-89

garyallen59
10-03-2013, 12:39 PM
link to livestream at the scence added:

http://www.myfoxdc.com/category/233074/live-news-video#axzz2ggZ4NvC8

ronpaulfollower999
10-03-2013, 12:40 PM
Anarchy is finally taking over.

JK/SEA
10-03-2013, 12:40 PM
Distraction from ObamaCare chaos.

yep...just part of negotiations.

green73
10-03-2013, 12:40 PM
Leave it to drudge to breath alarmism into everything

I don't think he realizes how scary that animated gif is.

ravedown
10-03-2013, 12:41 PM
taking bets on.."disgruntled, mentally unstable, on medication, loner, right wing extremists, recently unemployed....."

shane77m
10-03-2013, 12:41 PM
Perhaps a duel was instigated

garyallen59
10-03-2013, 12:41 PM
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/03/US-Capitol-in-lockdown

satchelmcqueen
10-03-2013, 12:41 PM
the government is pushing people to far. they better back off. when people have nothing else to lose, then watch out!

AuH20
10-03-2013, 12:43 PM
Reports of several injured.

JK/SEA
10-03-2013, 12:44 PM
reporting a car chase....seat belt violation.

sound the all clear.

tod evans
10-03-2013, 12:45 PM
Was it a "biker"?

ronpaulfollower999
10-03-2013, 12:47 PM
They have enough cop cars.

Todd
10-03-2013, 12:48 PM
Just another distraction PSYOP to coverup the ObamaCare failure. 100% bullshit.



Yep.....

Uriel999
10-03-2013, 12:48 PM
"When people have nothing left to lose, they lose it."

JK/SEA
10-03-2013, 12:49 PM
Dianne Feinstein in...

3...2....1....

ronpaulfollower999
10-03-2013, 12:50 PM
What are the chances that Capitol Police fired the shots?

green73
10-03-2013, 12:52 PM
Perhaps a duel was instigated

Jack Lew shot in the nuts!

ronpaulfollower999
10-03-2013, 12:52 PM
385834170766729216

HOLLYWOOD
10-03-2013, 12:53 PM
Those darn WWII veteran terrorists...

aGameOfThrones
10-03-2013, 12:53 PM
I blame video games... And women who vote.

Uriel999
10-03-2013, 12:54 PM
What are the chances that Capitol Police fired the shots?

Nah it was a terrorist, racist, tea party loving veteran white guy. It has to be cause the media is going to tell me it is before the truth can get found out and subsequently covered up.

ronpaulfollower999
10-03-2013, 12:54 PM
385839298156560384

On CNN I saw 3 cops carrying a young African-American child into a police car. She looked fine.

sluggo
10-03-2013, 12:55 PM
Fox Business keeps stating the shutdown led to a lack of security on the scene.

phill4paul
10-03-2013, 12:55 PM
Nah it was a terrorist, racist, tea party loving veteran white guy. It has to be cause the media is going to tell me it is before the truth can get found out and subsequently covered up.

+rep. My thoughts exactly.

ronpaulfollower999
10-03-2013, 12:56 PM
It happened near Second and Constitution. Cue conspiracy theories.

fr33
10-03-2013, 12:57 PM
Is it time?

ronpaulfollower999
10-03-2013, 12:58 PM
CNN says the chase started near the White House. Ended up near Capitol Building. That's when suspect fled his vehicle and shots were fired.

ronpaulfollower999
10-03-2013, 12:59 PM
Lockdown lifted.

pcosmar
10-03-2013, 01:00 PM
Three for three.
http://www.nytimes.com/news/fiscal-crisis/2013/10/03/reports-of-shooter-outside-capitol/?_r=0

Witnesses reported hearing gunshots outside the Capitol after 2 p.m. Thursday, setting off a huge police response and heightened security inside the Capitol, which was already tense during shutdown negotiations.

ronpaulfollower999
10-03-2013, 01:01 PM
CNN: Hit a barrier trying to get on Pennsylvania Ave, which is when the chase started.

My bet: drunk driver and the police opened fire when they had the chance.

ABC: Female suspect reported dead.

sluggo
10-03-2013, 01:01 PM
Saying the car tried to ram White House gate.

Warlord
10-03-2013, 01:03 PM
suicide by cop?

HOLLYWOOD
10-03-2013, 01:04 PM
LOL! car chase...

DC Capital Police to have a news conference @ 3:00PM EST Noon PST

Can't wait for DC Generale 'Fruit Salad' has to say to the serfs. :rolleyes:

PS: Look for a $500 million MORE in police future funding to protect the Imperial Palaces and Romanesque Aristocrats

ronpaulfollower999
10-03-2013, 01:04 PM
The African-American girl (probably 2 or 3) I saw earlier on CNN might have been in the car.

New theory: Kidnapping/mom trying to take custody of her child?

shane77m
10-03-2013, 01:06 PM
Could have been:
http://wiki.urbandead.com/images/7/77/Spanish_inquisition.jpg

aGameOfThrones
10-03-2013, 01:11 PM
See what happens when you give federal employees the day off?

HOLLYWOOD
10-03-2013, 01:11 PM
FOX NEWS hack, "possible officer wounded, hit by flying ammunition" :rolleyes: ...fuckin idiocracy

Corporate media really needs 'real-time' teleprompter writers for these moron puppets

green73
10-03-2013, 01:11 PM
Fox Business keeps stating the shutdown led to a lack of security on the scene.

Figures it would be them.


Blamed on the shutdown in 3...2...1...

thoughtomator
10-03-2013, 01:17 PM
Just got a report that the woman had a baby in the car.

HOLLYWOOD
10-03-2013, 01:20 PM
Just got a report that the woman had a baby in the car.how many bullet holes in the car? I hope someone gets the pics out on the net... you know the DC police will cover-up their tyranny(reckless endangerment on the public, to protect the privileged).

JK/SEA
10-03-2013, 01:21 PM
Just got a report that the woman had a baby in the car.

apparently she didn't have a 'Baby on Board' sign on the car, otherwise she would have been good to go...

thoughtomator
10-03-2013, 01:22 PM
how many bullet holes in the car? I hope someone gets the pics out on the net... you know the DC police will cover-up their tyranny.

Pix are out there... doesn't look shot up, but we only see it from behind and the car is black.

phill4paul
10-03-2013, 01:26 PM
apparently she didn't have a 'Baby on Board' sign on the car, otherwise she would have been good to go...


http://i00.i.aliimg.com/wsphoto/v0/1086754552/Baby-on-Board-funny-car-vinyl-sticker-decal.jpg

Christian Liberty
10-03-2013, 01:30 PM
Anarchy is finally taking over.

I presume sarcasm?


Those darn WWII veteran terrorists...Government is terrorism;)

Bastiat's The Law
10-03-2013, 01:31 PM
Is Adam loose?

;)

http://forums.joerogan.net/customavatars/avatar56441_4.gif

ronpaulfollower999
10-03-2013, 01:33 PM
What are the chances that Capitol Police fired the shots?

Called that shit. CNN reporting that Capitol Police were given authorization to use force.

tod evans
10-03-2013, 01:35 PM
CNN reporting that Capitol Police were given authorization to use force.

Of course they were.

Bet it's a standing order too..

kahless
10-03-2013, 01:39 PM
I wonder, routine traffic stop gone awry. (as we have seen here too often)

btw - heard a female anchor bring up the Navy yard incident and this, blaming it on the lack of a Homeland Security Director. LOL

69360
10-03-2013, 01:41 PM
From piecing together reports, this is what it seems like happened.

A woman with a black child in a black car rammed the outer barriers that block Pennsylvania ave in front of the white house, then was chased toward the capitol. A cop car in pursuit hit the capitol barriers as they went up and flipped injuring one cop. Woman in black car shot dead by cops outside capitol. Child in police custody.

kahless
10-03-2013, 01:48 PM
From piecing together reports, this is what it seems like happened.

A woman with a black child in a black car rammed the outer barriers that block Pennsylvania ave in front of the white house, then was chased toward the capitol. A cop car in pursuit hit the capitol barriers as they went up and flipped injuring one cop. Woman in black car shot dead by cops outside capitol. Child in police custody.

Why do I have the feeling that when the story comes out it will be something like she was turning around and tapped the barrier. Police freak out, she refuses to stop and they chase her.

ravedown
10-03-2013, 01:51 PM
this did not turn out the way the media had hoped...when the facts come out and we find out the police may have overreacted, expect this story to go away very quickly.

angelatc
10-03-2013, 02:03 PM
this did not turn out the way the media had hoped...when the facts come out and we find out the police may have overreacted, expect this story to go away very quickly.


It is impossible that they overreacted. The lives of our Dear Leaders are priceless.

dillo
10-03-2013, 02:03 PM
The only shooting was done by the cops

Carlybee
10-03-2013, 02:10 PM
Why do I have the feeling that when the story comes out it will be something like she was turning around and tapped the barrier. Police freak out, she refuses to stop and they chase her.



Or maybe she had a heart attack or something. The media will say she was distraught that her WIC might get cancelled due to the shutdown.

ClydeCoulter
10-03-2013, 02:11 PM
http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/03/20805397-shots-fired-at-us-capitol-female-suspect-killed
4 mins ago


The United States Capitol was placed on lockdown Thursday afternoon after a woman tried to ram a car into the White House gate, was chased by Secret Service and exchanged shots with police, sources said.

The suspect — who sources said had a child in the car — was shot and killed, and a shelter-in-place order was lifted at about 3 p.m. At least one Capitol Police officer was injured during the pursuit.

"This appears to be an isolated incident," said Capitol Police Chief Kim Dine. "Both scenes are under control."

undergroundrr
10-03-2013, 02:12 PM
Poor sweet child.

shane77m
10-03-2013, 02:18 PM
Poor sweet child.

Yep

JK/SEA
10-03-2013, 02:21 PM
Obama love child. Mother was trying to get in to demand child support....

nobody's_hero
10-03-2013, 02:22 PM
They're probably trying to see if anyone will pay attention to the government.

"Government shut down! Does anyone care? No? Okay, politicians are in danger of being shot!!!!! Still no one gives a ****? Hmm . . . that's odd. I thought we were important."

Red Green
10-03-2013, 02:32 PM
Did someone furlough that poor woman's Obamaphone?

Tod
10-03-2013, 02:38 PM
Interesting statement in one article:


"One agent in a marked Secret Service vehicle was injured when the car in which he was chasing the suspect was upended by one of the Capitol's electronic barricades as it rose out of the ground."

from http://abcnews.go.com/.../story... (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/attempt-ram-white-house-gate-ends-female-suspect/story?id=20460948)

A Son of Liberty
10-03-2013, 02:42 PM
Interesting statement in one article:



from http://abcnews.go.com/.../story... (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/attempt-ram-white-house-gate-ends-female-suspect/story?id=20460948)

Why is that interesting?

A Son of Liberty
10-03-2013, 02:46 PM
Why do I have the feeling that when the story comes out it will be something like she was turning around and tapped the barrier. Police freak out, she refuses to stop and they chase her.

I'm sure the script will be that the shooting was entirely justified... no one will question the shooting. She posed an apparent threat to the Capitol AND the White House, for heaven's sake. We can't take chances with that sort of thing. What if she had been a terrorist?!? What if she was crazy?!? What if she caused a Capitol Policeman or - GAWD FORBID a Congressman (whose office is ordained by God, do not forget - the Constitution was divinely inspired)!?!

The safest thing to do was blow her brains all over her dashboard, I'm sure, and confiscate the child and sell it into the CPS system, no doubt.

After all of this there is one thing we can all be sure of - the world is now a better place.

Tod
10-03-2013, 02:47 PM
Why is that interesting?

I found it interesting (you may not) because I was not aware they had barriers that were triggered to rise out of the ground.

A Son of Liberty
10-03-2013, 02:55 PM
I found it interesting (you may not) because I was not aware they had barriers that were triggered to rise out of the ground.

I see. Yes, I'm aware of such barriers. Many parking garages, etc., have them.

Thor
10-03-2013, 03:36 PM
Wolf: "So let me get this straight, there was absolutely no link to terrorism in this act?" (very disappointed in his tone.)
Guest: "That's right Wolf, this was an isolated incident."

ClydeCoulter
10-03-2013, 03:43 PM
Driver killed after chase from White House to Capitol

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/police-lock-down-capitol-after-shots-fired/2013/10/03/48459e0e-2c5a-11e3-8ade-a1f23cda135e_story.html


A car chase that began when an unknown driver tried to breach a White House security barrier ended across downtown Washington, when police shot and killeed the driver on a street near the U.S. Capitol, police said.

The woman driving the car was unarmed, law enforcement sources said. All the shots in the incident, which ocurred about 2:20 p.m., were fired by police trying to stop her. A U.S. Capitol Police officer was also injured when his car struck something during the chase.

Dine said that “we believe there was a child in the car” with the woman during the chase. Afterward, a child was taken to the hospital with serious but not life-threatening injuries.

Uriel999
10-03-2013, 03:50 PM
So let me get this straight, the cops opened fire on an unarmed woman in a vehicle that also had a child in it. I say we get guns out of DC. Ban police from being armed. It is for the children.

kahless
10-03-2013, 03:50 PM
Driver killed after chase from White House to Capitol

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/police-lock-down-capitol-after-shots-fired/2013/10/03/48459e0e-2c5a-11e3-8ade-a1f23cda135e_story.html


Afterward, a child was taken to the hospital with serious but not life-threatening injuries.

So the cops shot the child while shooting at an unarmed mother.

Uriel999
10-03-2013, 03:58 PM
So the cops shot the child while shooting at an unarmed mother.

Probably, or just got hurt in the kerfuffle.

ClydeCoulter
10-03-2013, 04:04 PM
So the cops shot the child while shooting at an unarmed mother.

They watch too many movies...now they don't hesitate. :(


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D9mDHPY0RA

Brian4Liberty
10-03-2013, 04:15 PM
What are the chances that Capitol Police fired the shots?

100%.

Brian4Liberty
10-03-2013, 04:16 PM
She was probably a diabetic with low blood sugar.

Police dilemma: give her candy or fill her full of lead?

kahless
10-03-2013, 04:26 PM
That was the most ridiculous press conference I have ever seen. There was no point in having that press conference if you are not going to provide any information other than to give the appearance of some sort of an attack without calling it terrorism. They did a really poor job of it since it looks like press conference of liars out of a bad movie.

Notice when they say shots were fired they never say by whom to make it seem like it was the woman firing the shots. Nor do they say how the police officer was hurt. The reporters seemed to focus on the terrorism aspect. No one asked how the child was hurt nor the typical questions a normal individual would ask.

The cable news coverage and the media disgust me.

Danke
10-03-2013, 04:27 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCLGnach_YQ#t=89

kahless
10-03-2013, 04:37 PM
I usually do not post Alex Jones vids but I am with him on this one.

Woman Flees Capitol Checkpoint, Executed By Cops
Capitol police executed a woman who attempted to flee a checkpoint, and the media celebrated it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nfVS2DvAEsI

JK/SEA
10-03-2013, 04:51 PM
soooo....possibly, she was really afraid of cops.....

hard to believe.

Anti Federalist
10-03-2013, 04:51 PM
It's DC.

When are shots NOT fired?

HOLLYWOOD
10-03-2013, 04:53 PM
I usually do not post Alex Jones vids but I am with him on this one.

Woman Flees Capitol Checkpoint, Executed By Cops
Capitol police executed a woman who attempted to flee a checkpoint, and the media celebrated it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nfVS2DvAEsI
Yeah, I was in a conference call when this shaken down, I think people are catching on when they were saying things like, "watch those politicians scurry like cockroaches in hiding" "Did they get any politicians?" "I wonder who had the balls to take on Capital Hill"

people realizing Washington DC is just a cesspool of politically correct corruption full of aristocrats and elitists... AND that's why they need protection, lot's of it... AND so did Hitler.

Uriel999
10-03-2013, 04:55 PM
It's DC.

When are shots NOT fired?

What are you yapping about?! There are no guns in DC they were banned for the safety of the children! Except when cops are shooting....then...ughhhh Merica!

Anti Federalist
10-03-2013, 04:57 PM
Interesting statement in one article:


"One agent in a marked Secret Service vehicle was injured when the car in which he was chasing the suspect was upended by one of the Capitol's electronic barricades as it rose out of the ground."

from http://abcnews.go.com/.../story... (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/attempt-ram-white-house-gate-ends-female-suspect/story?id=20460948)

LOL

Anti Federalist
10-03-2013, 05:03 PM
OK, so now, after reading through this, this is just another day in AmeriKa, right?

Hostile refused to comply.

Hostile was neutralized.

Clean up crew notified.

No casualties reported.

Mission accomplished.

RTB

ClydeCoulter
10-03-2013, 05:15 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01pQ5Oi3ipA

fr33
10-03-2013, 05:15 PM
385873129282625536

tod evans
10-03-2013, 05:16 PM
http://static.prisonplanet.com/p/images/february2013/190213target4.jpg

Anti Federalist
10-03-2013, 05:18 PM
After reading more into this, now I'm just sick.

Fuck what we have turned into.

tod evans
10-03-2013, 05:19 PM
After reading more into this, now I'm just sick.

Fuck what we have turned into.

We haven't, they have.

Brian4Liberty
10-03-2013, 05:33 PM
Cars are dangerous! We must register them, and license users so that, uh, we can prevent, uh, well, uh, just because!

green73
10-03-2013, 05:35 PM
What a fucking joke. Even the BBC was giving this nonstop coverage for over two hours.

Brian4Liberty
10-03-2013, 05:42 PM
http://i2.wp.com/thelibertarianrepublic.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/miriam_carey.jpg?resize=360%2C220

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/woman-killed-near-u-s-capitol-identified-pictures-video/

Turns out woman had "mental" issues. On big pharma drugs? Off big pharma drugs? Recent change to drugs?

Brian4Liberty
10-03-2013, 05:45 PM
http://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-capitol-shooting-1004-20131003,0,7728612.story


WASHINGTON, D.C. — A Stamford dental hygienist with a history of mental health issues was killed after a chase and shooting near the U.S. Capitol on Thursday, a source with knowledge of the investigation said.

The source said Miriam Carey, 34, was the woman behind the wheel of the black Infiniti coupe with Connecticut license plates that tried to pass a security check point at the White House. Carey led police on a chase through central Washington and died after being shot near the U.S. Capitol.

Video shows the car speeding away from police during a chase that went for about 1.5 miles. Photographs appear to show a child's car seat in the vehicle.

squarepusher
10-03-2013, 05:46 PM
So did the women fire at police? Was the killing justified?

CaptUSA
10-03-2013, 05:52 PM
I just got home... Am I reading this right?

An unarmed woman from CT with her 1 year old child in her car, bumps into one of those stupid barricades they put in the middle of the road and then the police open fire on her. Then she drives away from the people shooting at her and they shoot and kill her in front of her child at another location and the media is cheering?!!! What the Hell?!!!

Why do we even have the press?!!! Geez!

thoughtomator
10-03-2013, 05:53 PM
http://i2.wp.com/thelibertarianrepublic.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/miriam_carey.jpg?resize=360%2C220

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/woman-killed-near-u-s-capitol-identified-pictures-video/

Turns out woman had "mental" issues. On big pharma drugs? Off big pharma drugs? Recent change to drugs?

Everyone has mental issues. Nothing this woman did justifies her murder.

fr33
10-03-2013, 05:54 PM
So did the women fire at police? Was the killing justified?

She was unarmed.

ronpaulfollower999
10-03-2013, 05:55 PM
I just got home... Am I reading this right?

An unarmed woman from CT with her 1 year old child in her car, bumps into one of those stupid barricades they put in the middle of the road and then the police open fire on her. Then she drives away from the people shooting at her and they shoot and kill her in front of her child at another location and the media is cheering?!!! What the Hell?!!!

Why do we even have the press?!!! Geez!

The media originally thought that she opened fire. When they said their was a car chase and a child involved I knew this one stuck and figured it was the police who opened fire. Considering all the coverage it got when the media thought that the deceased mother opened fire, I'm hoping that there is a lot of blowback with this one.

MRK
10-03-2013, 06:02 PM
Ban cars.

Ban one year old children so that they can't aid as an accessory to the crime of poor driving. All children from their first birthday until their second shall be retained by the state for our own protection.

CaptUSA
10-03-2013, 06:08 PM
Unreal. This should certainly put that "biker" incident in perspective, eh?

You have to see the parallels and the irony here.

In one case, a driver was justified leaving the scene of an accident and then was beaten up by a gang of bikers.
In another, the driver was "crazy, on drugs, a terrorist, or who knows what else" and the gang of police killed her in front of her child.

MelissaWV
10-03-2013, 06:10 PM
I am partial to (of all sources) the Yahoo writeup on this. I'm going to remove some of the pointless "parallels" that the article makes between this and other incidents. There are so many mindboggling inconsistencies and idiocies here...


WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A dramatic car chase through the streets of Washington from near the White House to the U.S. Capitol ended in gunfire on Thursday when law enforcement officers shot and killed the driver as lawmakers and aides huddled in a lockdown.

The identity of the driver - a woman - was not released. "The suspect in the vehicle was struck by gunfire and at this point has been pronounced (dead)," Washington's police chief, Cathy Lanier, told reporters.

Driving a black car, the 34-year-old woman rammed security barricades "at the very outer perimeter of the White House," U.S. Secret Service spokesman Ed Donovan said. Then the car, carrying a 1-year-old girl, raced up Pennsylvania Avenue toward the Capitol where Congress was in session.

Police gave chase and fired at the car. It finally came to a halt near the Capitol building, said Capitol Police Chief Kim Dine.

"My understanding is there was a 1-year-old child in the car," Dine said. "I believe one of our officers rescued the child," who was taken to a hospital.

...

Michael McCaul, the chairman of the House of Representatives Homeland Security Committee, told CNN that officials believe the woman driving the car in Thursday's incident may have had mental health problems.

"I got that from multiple sources - that they think she may have had some mental health issues," he said. "Obviously the way she responded at the gate near the White House and then turning around and hitting Secret Service."

The woman was a resident of Connecticut and the girl in the car was her daughter, McCaul said.

When the shooting erupted, lawmakers were trying to find a solution to a budget impasse that partially shut down the U.S. government this week. The Capitol was locked down for about an hour during the incident.

Lawmakers were told to shelter in place on the floor of the House. Outside, some tourists were frightened.

"I was just eating a hot dog over here and I heard about four or five gunshots, and then a swarm of police cars came in wailing their sirens," said Whit Dabney, 13, who was visiting Washington from Louisville, Kentucky, and heard the shots a couple of blocks away.

Witness Travis Gilbert said several police cars chased the black sedan at high speed toward the Capitol.

"They ran all the red lights. It was a very dangerous situation," Gilbert said.

HIT BY CAR

Two officers were hurt in Thursday's incident. One was a Secret Service officer who was struck by the suspect's car outside the White House, Donovan said.

The other was a Capitol Police officer whose car struck a barricade during the mid-afternoon chase. It ranged over about a mile and a half and lasted just a few minutes, officials said.

All the shooting appears to have been done by police; law enforcement sources said the suspect did not shoot a gun and there is no indication that she had one.

Dine said it appeared there was no connection to terrorism.

Just before the Capitol lockdown, Senator John McCain of Arizona was on the Senate floor urging that President Barack Obama and a bipartisan group of senators launch negotiations to break the deadlock over government funding and a debt limit increase.

The House had just passed a bill to fund the National Guard and reservists who are not on active duty during the shutdown.

The Capitol police, who were deemed "essential" staff, were at work despite the government shutdown, but they are not being paid.

"What really comes home to me is that these are all people who are working without pay right now," Representative Matt Cartwright, a Democrat from Pennsylvania, said on CNN. He was outside on a Capitol balcony when he said he heard seven or eight shots "all in less than a second."

...

Okay so that's a lot of bolding and underlining.

If you look at the car, the rear windshield is blown out. Unless they broke this in order to get to the child (why would they need to do that, though), we will assume that gunfire is responsible. Children that young tend to be in car seats. In the back. Where the glass is. Where bullets could easily go.

Despite the nauseating "they're heroes!" tone of parts of the article, I applaud it on containing some very interesting observations. Cartwright may have been trying to make the police out to be heroes but he said 7-8 shots. There are three possibilities. 1. He was told the woman was shooting at the cops, so he embellished the number to make it sound like they were even MORE heroic. 2. The cops shot this woman 7-8 times. 3. The cops shot AT this woman 7-8 times, missing with a number of shots, endangering pretty much everyone in the area.

The witness in the article pointed out what the real danger was. She was chased at high speed through the city, the cops running the red lights all the way.

Look at the car again. I realize there's no front-end shot in that article; I am attempting to find one. She RAMMED the barricade in an Infinity and it was still up for a dramatic chase for "several minutes" through Downtown DC? Rammed. She also rammed an officer. This car is unstoppable. No wonder our unpaid heroes had to shoot it.

http://news.yahoo.com/u-capitol-washington-lockdown-shots-fired-183659293.html

^ If you do follow this article, click the photo and it will take you to a slideshow. As I thought, the front end does not look like it rammed a barricade. What is funny is how they have not yet updated all of their captions. They show a cop car that was "involved in an incident with another vehicle." It looks to me like the car is actually the one impaled by a moving barricade.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
10-03-2013, 06:13 PM
"Mental health issues." Generally means that you had an argument with your boss or said something about government being too big.

Pericles
10-03-2013, 06:17 PM
It's DC.

When are shots NOT fired?

Yeah, like when do they not authorize themselves to use force.

MelissaWV
10-03-2013, 06:19 PM
Follow-up : I actually encourage everyone to look at that slideshow. There are incidents full of question marks. And then there's this shit. FBI agents... guys on the rooftop with binoculars... a huge swarm of cop cars... the intense rescue effort to save that one policeman. There are 44 photos. Want to guess how many photos are of the police "saving" that baby from the car? Weird, eh? I suppose all of those photos would show the mother's mangled body, and the car that looks in such great shape considering it hit a barricade, a person, a cop car, what looks like a trash can, and a pole or two, AND got shot at.

fr33
10-03-2013, 06:21 PM
Look at the car again. I realize there's no front-end shot in that article; I am attempting to find one. She RAMMED the barricade in an Infinity and it was still up for a dramatic chase for "several minutes" through Downtown DC? Rammed. She also rammed an officer. This car is unstoppable. No wonder our unpaid heroes had to shoot it.

http://news.yahoo.com/u-capitol-washington-lockdown-shots-fired-183659293.html

^ If you do follow this article, click the photo and it will take you to a slideshow. As I thought, the front end does not look like it rammed a barricade. What is funny is how they have not yet updated all of their captions. They show a cop car that was "involved in an incident with another vehicle." It looks to me like the car is actually the one impaled by a moving barricade.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVsSSDsCQAA1Nnh.jpg:large

She didn't ram a barricade with that front bumper.

ronpaulfollower999
10-03-2013, 06:23 PM
I looked at the pictures.

This country is embarrassing.

ronpaulfollower999
10-03-2013, 06:24 PM
Looks like the cop car hit the barricade? I also saw another image that showed a cop car's front bumper up against a large dumpster. Sounds like someone is saving face, and dead (wo)men (or infants) tell no tales.

ronpaulfollower999
10-03-2013, 06:25 PM
http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/oi5lMtPF19Mv8F0mrfoGgg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTYxNjtweW9mZj0wO3E9Nz U7dz0xMDg4/http://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/news/2013-10-03/5dc6cdde-88b3-4c70-bb0d-1bb56b3a288e_RTR3FKE0.jpg

MelissaWV
10-03-2013, 06:27 PM
Darned cheap Fords! I mean, look what her shiny Infinity did to that cop car! Thank goodness there are at least 30 people in that frame to help out.

Those unpaid heroes.

I really may be sick tonight.

Carlybee
10-03-2013, 06:35 PM
Sadly this kind of crap happens all over this country all the time...this just got media attention. Here in Houston not long ago an innocent woman was killed when her car collided with a shoplifter's car who was being chased across the city by police. A shoplifter.

jjdoyle
10-03-2013, 06:40 PM
Looks like the cop car hit the barricade? I also saw another image that showed a cop car's front bumper up against a large dumpster. Sounds like someone is saving face, and dead (wo)men (or infants) tell no tales.

Yeah, kind of makes me wonder if she had a boyfriend (lover) that worked at the White House. She showed up with the kid because maybe the hush-money payments had stopped coming in, and decided to make a scene?

Saying she needed in to talk to somebody, wasn't leaving...then decided to get the heck out of Dodge...and when the cops open-fired she took off not knowing what to do?

BUT, let's say she was just completely crazy with a past of issues, I wonder if we'll ever learn what medications she was on...

asurfaholic
10-03-2013, 06:47 PM
http://i2.wp.com/thelibertarianrepublic.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/miriam_carey.jpg?resize=360%2C220

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/woman-killed-near-u-s-capitol-identified-pictures-video/

Turns out woman had "mental" issues. On big pharma drugs? Off big pharma drugs? Recent change to drugs?

Knowing the way media tends to overblow certain things to help create an image, I wouldn't be surprised to find that the full extent of her mental issues history resides in one case where she sought help for a minor depression after a bad breakup or something.

Sad shit here.

Carson
10-03-2013, 06:50 PM
1757 comments (http://www.fark.com/comments/7960250/BREAKING-Gunfire-at-Capitol-Capitol-Hill-is-on-lockdown) and counting over on Fark on this topic.

New thread started here. (http://www.fark.com/comments/7960723/)

UtahApocalypse
10-03-2013, 07:02 PM
Guess Obama was not in the mood to see his secret baby mama.....

puppetmaster
10-03-2013, 07:02 PM
I don't think dental hygienists get paid that much do they? That is a nice e car ...bet there is more to this storey.....

Brian4Liberty
10-03-2013, 07:03 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVsSSDsCQAA1Nnh.jpg:large

She didn't ram a barricade with that front bumper.

You have to properly define "ram". In Hollywood movies, it's a spectacular, flame-filled, shrapnel throwing holocaust. In Police terms, it's bumping a barrier while trying to make a tight, three-point turn.

Carson
10-03-2013, 07:04 PM
I don't think dental hygienists get paid that much do they? That is a nice e car ...bet there is more to this storey.....


Look down to smile at your baby and bump a barricade. ?

amy31416
10-03-2013, 07:08 PM
Yeah, kind of makes me wonder if she had a boyfriend (lover) that worked at the White House. She showed up with the kid because maybe the hush-money payments had stopped coming in, and decided to make a scene?

Saying she needed in to talk to somebody, wasn't leaving...then decided to get the heck out of Dodge...and when the cops open-fired she took off not knowing what to do?

BUT, let's say she was just completely crazy with a past of issues, I wonder if we'll ever learn what medications she was on...


Guess Obama was not in the mood to see his secret baby mama.....

I thought he was gay....

enhanced_deficit
10-03-2013, 07:12 PM
I usually do not post Alex Jones vids but I am with him on this one.

Woman Flees Capitol Checkpoint, Executed By Cops
Capitol police executed a woman who attempted to flee a checkpoint, and the media celebrated it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nfVS2DvAEsI


My fear is this video could go viral (especially if he edited out couple of minutes including part in the midddle where starts to skip around the room).

CNN , CNBC, MSM coverage was disgraceful to say the least.

Obama should address the nation and give his opinion if deadly use of force that killed this unarmed dental hygienist with child in the car was justified or unjustified. He doesn't have to wait for an issue to be racial before he speaks up.

http://********************************/2013/10/miriamcarey.jpg?w=231 (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=M5iqEtT-l5nb7M&tbnid=1S6Cjsi81CJKPM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnypost.com%2F2013%2F10%2F03%2Fcap itol-shooter-was-conn-based-dental-hygienist%2F&ei=_hlOUuijGYjQ9AS3wIGwCQ&bvm=bv.53537100,d.eWU&psig=AFQjCNEhvha_sygpcvTISeI0L4rNN8rPmA&ust=1380936554786926)
http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/v2_article_large/public/2013/10/03/miriam.jpg





And this Thank you from US Congress members:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnqUv90_IM0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnqUv90_IM0

Now if so many memebers of this "deliberative" body can jump to grossly wrong conclusion about facts just few blocks away from them, how can they be trusted to make decisions about US invasions/policing in Iraq, Syria,Palestine a world away from them?

WM_in_MO
10-03-2013, 07:25 PM
So let me get this straight:

Capital Police kill unarmed woman who hit a barricade?

Seems fair. Just another day in the police state.

Brian4Liberty
10-03-2013, 07:29 PM
Michael Savage has been discussing this for his whole show. He would agree (and fit right in) with everything in this thread.

bunklocoempire
10-03-2013, 07:38 PM
My fear is this video could go viral (especially if he edited out couple of minutes including part in the midddle where starts to skip around the room).

CNN , CNBC, MSM coverage was disgraceful to say the least.
Yep.

Just like a scary movie. Frightening people who are enjoying the story unfold from their safe environment is the formula those scum offer. The people "enjoying" this story are the ones making this possible and they keep coming back for more.
Codependency right there. No wonder it's a police state. Pretty sick stuff. :(:mad:

MelissaWV
10-03-2013, 07:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpGqRV5vjY8

You will need to turn your volume up in the middle. I don't think this is the start of the "chase" (setting looks wrong) but at this point she looks to be trying to find a way the hell out of the area. I sympathize with that, as does anyone who's driven near the "sights" in DC. She even gets stuck in a traffic circle.

The reason I say to turn your volume up is that you can hear the shots fired by RUNNING police officers, and it doesn't exactly look like all of them found their mark. There are obviously loads of people around who were safe from the vehicle, but not from randomly fired bullets.

fr33
10-03-2013, 08:28 PM
Please keep in mind that the shots fired, that scared all of congress and the media, were fired by the police. That initial fear is still being used in all of the MSM headlines. It's like "shots fired! therefor she deserves to die and good job boys in blue for doing it."

Brian4Liberty
10-03-2013, 08:36 PM
I usually do not post Alex Jones vids but I am with him on this one.

Woman Flees Capitol Checkpoint, Executed By Cops
Capitol police executed a woman who attempted to flee a checkpoint, and the media celebrated it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nfVS2DvAEsI

That was a good segment from Alex Jones and friends. And for those who might usually bypass AJ videos, there was zero talk of false flags or conspiracies.

Will have to find a Tube of Savage tonight. He would fit right in with the AJ crew on this.

Danke
10-03-2013, 08:42 PM
They obviously had her license plate #. What would be wrong with letting her drive away and getting a warrant to arrest her if they felt they needed to? Shooting at a fleeing car, insane.

devil21
10-03-2013, 08:47 PM
What are they putting in the water in Connecticut??

green73
10-03-2013, 08:53 PM
They obviously had her license plate #. What would be wrong with letting her drive away and getting a warrant to arrest her if they felt they needed to? Shooting at a fleeing car, insane.

Oh, like you've never dropped cluster bombs on suspects in urban areas.

Anti Federalist
10-03-2013, 08:54 PM
Outside, it's AmeriKa...

Brian4Liberty
10-03-2013, 08:56 PM
They obviously had her license plate #. What would be wrong with letting her drive away and getting a warrant to arrest her if they felt they needed to? Shooting at a fleeing car, insane.

She didn't respect their authoritay!

Carson
10-03-2013, 08:59 PM
I usually do not post Alex Jones vids but I am with him on this one.

Woman Flees Capitol Checkpoint, Executed By Cops
Capitol police executed a woman who attempted to flee a checkpoint, and the media celebrated it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nfVS2DvAEsI


"Reminds me of, The wicked flee when none pursue." (0:17)


"The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion."

- King James Bible "Authorized Version", Cambridge Edition

kahless
10-03-2013, 09:01 PM
Please keep in mind that the shots fired, that scared all of congress and the media, were fired by the police. That initial fear is still being used in all of the MSM headlines. It's like "shots fired! therefor she deserves to die and good job boys in blue for doing it."

The 6pm press conference went the same way. They kept saying "shots fired" but never saying it was the police. For those not paying attention it is a way of misleading them to believe that this woman fired at them. The media even played their part by playing up the terrorism angle.

I could have never imagined in my life time watching a press conference like that. It was like watching Baghdad Bob or something you would envision out of the old Soviet Union.

Danke
10-03-2013, 09:03 PM
Oh, like you've never dropped cluster bombs on suspects in urban areas.

:confused:

69360
10-03-2013, 09:07 PM
So why exactly did she hit the barriers? You all are wildly speculating without knowing that.

jjdoyle
10-03-2013, 09:30 PM
So why exactly did she hit the barriers? You all are wildly speculating without knowing that.

I'm questioning why she was there. Also, the pictures of the front of the car that I have seen, don't really show any damage that shows me she was hitting the barriers in any fashion to get through. Especially in what looks like a $40,000+ car. I can perhaps understand her fleeing like that if she made a wrong turn and ended up down there (maybe she had a terrible sense of direction), with guns pointed at her car and a child in the backseat. I just want to know why a woman from Connecticut was in Washington DC with a young child, it's not exactly a short drive from I can tell.

angelatc
10-03-2013, 09:41 PM
Knowing the way media tends to overblow certain things to help create an image, I wouldn't be surprised to find that the full extent of her mental issues history resides in one case where she sought help for a minor depression after a bad breakup or something.

Sad shit here.

Or that she grew up a ward of the state, where they prescribe drugs like they're candy. I mean, broccoli.

fr33
10-03-2013, 09:53 PM
So why exactly did she hit the barriers? You all are wildly speculating without knowing that.

Did she hit barriers? Have any proof?

IF she did, does that warrant her death?

sirgonzo420
10-03-2013, 10:10 PM
They obviously had her license plate #. What would be wrong with letting her drive away and getting a warrant to arrest her if they felt they needed to? Shooting at a fleeing car, insane.

Yeah but what if the car were stolen?

Shoot first ask questions later.

Derpy derpy derp.

angelatc
10-03-2013, 10:18 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/local/capitol-shooting/images/map.jpg


NEAR THE WHITE HOUSE

1
2:12 p.m. A black Infiniti with Connecticut plates strikes a security post at the entrance to the White House at 15th and E streets NW. Witnesses said officers pull a metal barrier into the driver’s path, but the driver accelerates, knocking down the barricade and striking a uniformed Secret Service officer before hurtling east down Pennsylvania Avenue toward the Capitol with police in pursuit.

NEAR THE U.S. CAPITOL

2
The car rams a Secret Service vehicle on the east side of Garfield Memorial, while at least five officers with guns drawn try to get the driver to stop.
The car backs up, nearly hitting several police and drives at high speed most of the way around Garfield Circle, then turns northbound onto First Street NW. Police open fire.



3
At Peace Circle, the car makes one full loop with a single police car following before continuing up First Street NW to Constitution Avenue.

4
At Constitution Avenue, the suspect makes a right turn and at a high speed heads east along the northern boundary of the Capitol grounds.

5
The sedan continues to First Street and Constitution Avenue NW and goes around or through barriers at the Capitol to the 100 block of Maryland Avenue NE.



6
The chase ends at Constitution Avenue and Second Street NEwhere Capitol police installed security barriers after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks. Upon reaching this barrier, the suspect attempts to make a U-turn and crashes next to the guard house.

2:20 p.m. More shots are fired, striking the car and driver, who is killed. The woman driving the car was unarmed, law enforcement sources said. All the shots in the incident were fired by police trying to stop her.

Capitol Police Chief Kim Dine said one of his officers was injured when his cruiser struck a barricade at Second Street and Maryland Avenue NE during the chase.
A one-year-old was in the car during the chase and was in good condition.


It's a shame.

better-dead-than-fed
10-03-2013, 10:32 PM
"history of mental health issues" is code for "was just killed by government employees".

HOLLYWOOD
10-03-2013, 10:49 PM
All those supposedly trained mightily Capital Police had to do was... use their marksmanship badges to shoot out the tires on the vehicle... incident comes to a wobbling flat end immediately.

Meanwhile, back at the Capital Hill ranch, cockroaches of Congress come out of hiding to applause the gladiator games of the week in killing more serfs with a standing ovation.

Disgusting... But Hitler too had his capital forces, SS Leibstandarte

aGameOfThrones
10-03-2013, 11:05 PM
"that could've been my daughter." - Barack Obama

GregSarnowski
10-03-2013, 11:17 PM
Wow that video does not make the cops look good at all. The car was stopped.

Philhelm
10-03-2013, 11:20 PM
Disgusting... But Hitler too had his capital forces, SS Leibstandarte

Hitler at least had some pinache. These new tyrants are weak sauce.

Brian4Liberty
10-04-2013, 12:00 AM
6
The chase ends at Constitution Avenue and Second Street NEwhere Capitol police installed security barriers after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks. Upon reaching this barrier, the suspect attempts to make a U-turn and crashes next to the guard house.


So the car was disabled and stopped, and the Police basically came up to the car and executed her for her crimes.

Bman
10-04-2013, 01:38 AM
I guess she was driving an AR-15 assault vehicle.

What I really want to know at this moment is who is the babies daddy.

Cabal
10-04-2013, 02:16 AM
I heard all the State's henchmen went into "full response mode" and I take that to mean they went into "full retard mode" by the way they manufactured this city-wide panic, shot and killed an unarmed mother, and faceplanted one of their patrol cars into one of their own barricades.

puppetmaster
10-04-2013, 04:44 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVsSSDsCQAA1Nnh.jpg:large

She didn't ram a barricade with that front bumper.

Can anyone determine origination of all those windshield permits?..

MelissaWV
10-04-2013, 04:51 AM
Can anyone determine origination of all those windshield permits?..

Since she worked in a medical office, it's likely at least one is something related (like a parking decal). One of the others might be something similar for her condo.

MelissaWV
10-04-2013, 04:53 AM
"history of mental health issues" is code for "was just killed by government employees".

Close. She had post partum depression to the point she had to be hospitalized.

It's interesting to notice that the media fails at logic. At THIS point, she WASN'T hospitalized, which means several someones decided she wasn't a huge danger.

MRK
10-04-2013, 04:58 AM
I wonder how the father feels.

phill4paul
10-04-2013, 06:19 AM
Plenty of cash for Bearcats. Not enough for these.......

http://firedaily.com/files/2011/02/spike-strips.jpg

tod evans
10-04-2013, 06:20 AM
Bullets are cheaper.

Anti Federalist
10-04-2013, 06:31 AM
Bullets are cheaper.

Not mention the important lesson these executions teach the Mundanes.

"Lift a finger in defiance against us, and we will exterminate you." - Officer Friendly

Freedom.

'Murica.

Fuck yeah.

~ belch

FloralScent
10-04-2013, 06:35 AM
Disgusting... But Hitler too had his capital forces, SS Leibstandarte

These were some of the finest soldiers in the history of combat. There is no comparison.

tod evans
10-04-2013, 06:37 AM
Not mention the important lesson these executions teach the Mundanes.

"Lift a finger in defiance against us, and we will exterminate you." - Officer Friendly

Freedom.

'Murica.

Fuck yeah.

~ belch

Best I can gather this broad never lifted a finger.

Looks like she was running for her life................Unsuccessfully. :(

FloralScent
10-04-2013, 06:44 AM
Best I can gather this broad never lifted a finger.

Looks like she was running for her life................Unsuccessfully. :(

Unarmed woman with a baby in the car. A new low me thinks.

tod evans
10-04-2013, 06:45 AM
Unarmed woman with a baby in the car. A new low me thinks.

Conditioning.

devil21
10-04-2013, 06:52 PM
Yeah I laughed.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCu80iDid_Q

This is how the police car got damaged.

Brian4Liberty
10-04-2013, 07:12 PM
Yeah I laughed.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao3617loZ0k

This is how the police car got damaged.

It looks like the driver thought that they were flimsy barricades that he could just run through.

MelissaWV
10-04-2013, 07:20 PM
It looks like the driver thought that they were flimsy barricades that he could just run through.

If they are where I think they are, those are the barricades that pop up out of the street. They would not have been fully extended when the car got to them.

Look at it at 4 seconds in, then look at it again at 15 or 16 seconds.

The funny thing is that the cop on the bike drove over a couple of them, too.

Brian4Liberty
10-04-2013, 07:24 PM
If they are where I think they are, those are the barricades that pop up out of the street. They would not have been fully extended when the car got to them.

Look at it at 4 seconds in, then look at it again at 15 or 16 seconds.

The funny thing is that the cop on the bike drove over a couple of them, too.

What was confusing is that it looks like a couple of them were already fully up, but a couple more starting coming up as the cop crossed the intersection.

tod evans
10-04-2013, 07:27 PM
What was confusing is that it looks like a couple of them were already fully up, but a couple more starting coming up as the cop crossed the intersection.

Low bid contracts, intermittent barriers.

Brian4Liberty
10-04-2013, 07:30 PM
Michael Savage has been discussing this for his whole show. He would agree (and fit right in) with everything in this thread.

For your amusement:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE3vCy7s4ik

limequat
10-04-2013, 08:48 PM
NPR was covering this today. In one breath they referred to the incident as a "shootout" in the next they mention that the terrorist was unarmed.

devil21
10-05-2013, 01:08 AM
It looks like the driver thought that they were flimsy barricades that he could just run through.

Video has been set to private. Boooooo

Anybody have a mirror to repost?

eta: got it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCu80iDid_Q

mad cow
10-05-2013, 01:44 AM
NPR was covering this today. In one breath they referred to the incident as a "shootout" in the next they mention that the terrorist was unarmed.

NPR just got close to a half billion$$ from the FEDGOV after the 'Government Shutdown'.

They know which side of the bread the butter's on.