[VIDEO] Senator Graham: We Could Have Prevented 9/11 If NSA Spying Program Was In Place Then

[purplechoe]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDCXEcF7Lp4

http://rasica.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/nsa.jpg

[muh_roads]

Our wonderful leaders caring to "get to the bottom" of things...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMT2CHSvyGw

[Occam's Banana]

Senator Graham: We Could Have Prevented 9/11 If NSA Spying Program Was In Place Then

Yeah, right. :rolleyes: And who says it (or something just like it) wasn't in place then? ...

From another thread (emphasis mine):

Continuing with the lie that this was somehow precipitated by the events of 9/11. Its not.

Yesterday post over on Motherboard:
The Telecom Exec Who Refused to Let the NSA Spy Is Out of Prison, and He's Talking (http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/the-telecom-exec-who-refused-nsa-snooping-is-out-of-prison-and-hes-talking)


And here's the kicker. The way Nacchio tells it, the government approached him about warrantless wiretapping in February, 2001—six months before the September 11 attacks that George Bush claimed were the reason for the rushed and overreaching surveillance program. "The documents unsealed Wednesday in federal court in Denver ... claim for the first time that pressure on the company to participate in activities it saw as improper came as early as February, nearly seven months before the terrorist attacks," the Times reported.

If it's true, it's yet another reason to distrust the government's talking points when it comes to snooping on Americans. It also pokes holes in the go-to justification for the invasive program: that it's all in the name of fighting terrorism.

[Lucille]

Too bad it didn't prevent the Boston Marathon bombing, eh?

[Thor]

But but, they had intelligence that people were learning to fly, but had no interest in learning to land... What about that?

What about Boston?

What about a lying crock of shit?

[GregSarnowski]

A guy's father can warn multiple U.S. officials that his own son is a terrorist and we still have to take off our shoes in the airport.

[RickyJ]

We could have prevented people like Graham from ever becoming a Senator and 9/11 from happening if more delegates would have listened to Benjamin Franklin at the Constitutional Convention.

[Occam's Banana]

We could have prevented people like Graham from ever becoming a Senator and 9/11 from happening if more delegates would have listened to Benjamin Franklin at the Constitutional Convention.

If you are referring to the famous "A Republic - if you can keep it!" line, he didn't say that until after the Convention.
And he didn't say it to the delgates - he said it to some lady who had asked him what the Convention had given "us."

[phill4paul]

"Actionable" HUMINT can only be interpreted by those that are not idiots. At best. At worst? It can be intentionally ignored.

[milgram]

Thomas Drake claims otherwise


The NSA did all it could to obstruct the investigation -- several investigations. [...] The NSA, bureaucratically, had this thing that they owned [intelligence]. Whatever they took, they owned. And they didn't trust anybody ... if they gave it to somebody, they didn't know what they'd do with it. So they tended to hoard it. And hoarding meant that no one else could see it. They were very reluctant to share critical intelligence.

And I ended up, not only as a whistleblower, but as a material witness on two 9/11 congressional investigations: in early 2002, and then the Joint Inquiry that involved both the Senate and House -- the prelude to the 9/11 Commission. I gave them prima facie evidence of what NSA had failed to share, including critical actionable intelligence regarding al-Qaeda and associated movements that could have easily rolled up that entire network.

All of that was reported to the investigators. And I will tell you that all that information was censored. It was hidden behind state secrets. It was never made part of the final report.
Source (podcast interview @ 27:36) (https://mega.co.nz/#!fcdmVbKS!cq75BwZge4Cu-IN_qfaScUbY4N0aGvfxnvk-IspRNHw)

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

From the video and thread: "Senator Graham: We Could Have Prevented 9/11 If NSA Spying Program Was In Place Then."


Not only wrong, but drunkeness wrong. The fundamental, mathematical concept of randomness performed in these fish net programs actually means less efficacy. People are not "detected" because of some brilliant mind or technology in this program. People are detected because of somebody's alert. High spending programs and "sophisticated" technology is not needed when somebody just tells the teacher on you.

Historians estimate that up to 90% of the arrests made by the Gestapo were because a neighbor ratted out another neighbor. If you combine that with the dopiness of our inept government, then that number is probably 98%. These jackholes sit around half-crocked playing spy boy, all the while spending your money.

[Saint Vitus]

He's the worst politician in D.C. If Rand doesn't wholeheartedly support his challenger then I will lose major respect for Rand.

[ObiRandKenobi]

same guy that wants to arm al-qaeda now.

[alucard13mm]

Too bad it didn't prevent the Boston Marathon bombing, eh?

hahaha. fail graham is fail.

[enhanced_deficit]

Can he explain why this recent marathon incidence (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?428811-GOP-Politician-Concerned-Over-Too-Few-Drone-Attacks-Since-May-%28Post-April-15-Boston-Bombing-%29&p=5244097&viewfull=1#post5244097) was not stopped then or recent Kenya mall attack that reportedly involved US/UK based attackers?


On related note, seems like he has Ted Cruz following his foot steps (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?429390-Ted-Cruz-attacks-Obama-for-not-fully-funding-NSA-spying-during-shutdown&p=5252202&viewfull=1#post5252202).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMGMCWzZ4hI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMGMCWzZ4hI

[Dary]

A non-interventionist foreign policy could have prevented 9/11.

Graham is saying that if they could simply take away the last of our freedoms, then the terrorists would have nothing to hate us for.