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tod evans
09-28-2013, 08:08 PM
GLENN GREENWALD WORKING ON NEW NSA REVELATIONS


http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/L/LT_BRAZIL_GLENN_GREENWALD?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-09-28-20-46-34

RIO DE JANEIRO (AP) -- Two American journalists known for their investigations of the United States' government said Saturday they've teamed up to report on the National Security Agency's role in what they described as a U.S. assassination program.

Glenn Greenwald, the Rio-based journalist who has written stories about U.S. surveillance programs based on documents leaked by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden, is now working with Jeremy Scahill, a contributor to The Nation magazine and the New York Times best-selling author of "Dirty Wars," about the program, Scahill said.

"The connections between war and surveillance are clear. I don't want to give too much away but Glenn and I are working on a project right now that has at its center how the National Security Agency plays a significant, central role on the U.S. assassination program," said Scahill, speaking to moviegoers in Rio de Janeiro, where the documentary based on his book made its Latin American debut at the Rio Film Festival.

"There are so many stories that are yet to be published that we hope will produce `actionable intelligence,' or information that ordinary citizens across the world can use to try to fight for change, to try to confront those in power," he said.

"Dirty Wars" the film, directed by Richard Rowley, traces Scahill's investigations into the long-shadowy Joint Special Operations Command, or JSOC. The movie, which won a prize for cinematography at the Sundance Film Festival, follows Scahill as he hopscotches around the globe, from Afghanistan to Yemen to Somalia, talking to the families of people killed in the U.S. strikes.

Neither Scahill nor Greenwald, who also appeared at the film festival's question and answer panel, provided many details about their joint project. But in an earlier interview with The Associated Press, Scahill said he'd recently spent several weeks at Greenwald's Rio home working on the project. He didn't say when it would be finished.

Scahill insisted the Obama administration has launched an "unprecedented war on journalists" but insisted that neither he nor Greenwald were intimidated.

"Every time Glenn gets attacked, and when David was snatched in the airport, he just gets more bold," Scahill said in the interview, referring to the August detention of Greenwald's Brazilian domestic partner, David Miranda, who British officials held for around nine hours in Heathrow airport under anti-terror legislation.

Greenwald has been making waves since the first in a series of stories on the NSA spying program appeared in Britain's Guardian newspaper in June. Last week, Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff postponed a scheduled state dinner with Obama after television reports to which Greenwald had contributed revealed that American spy programs had aggressively targeted the Brazilian government and private citizens.

Rousseff railed against the U.S. surveillance during her address to the United Nations General Assembly earlier this week and has pledged to try to find alternatives to help protect the Brazilian people from further spying.

Although both Scahill and Greenwald applauded Rousseff's reactions to the revelations.

"The really important thing to realize is the desire for surveillance is not a uniquely American attribute," said Greenwald. "America has just devoted way more money and way more resources than anyone else to spying on the world.

Greenwald said he was enthused by discussions by some South American governments to start talking about ways to circumvent American control over the Internet.

"But I think it's also very important to keep in mind that whenever governments, be it the U.S. government or the Brazilian government or anybody else, starts talking about regulating the internet, even when they tell you it's designed to protect your privacy from the American government . there is also the danger that the Brazilian government or any other government or international institution will want to simply replace the United States as the entity that is monitoring your communications."

better-dead-than-fed
09-28-2013, 09:12 PM
"The really important thing to realize is the desire for surveillance is not a uniquely American attribute," said Greenwald. "America has just devoted way more money and way more resources than anyone else to spying on the world.

Greenwald said he was enthused by discussions by some South American governments to start talking about ways to circumvent American control over the Internet.

"But I think it's also very important to keep in mind that whenever governments, be it the U.S. government or the Brazilian government or anybody else, starts talking about regulating the internet, even when they tell you it's designed to protect your privacy from the American government . there is also the danger that the Brazilian government or any other government or international institution will want to simply replace the United States as the entity that is monitoring your communications."

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/L/LT_BRAZIL_GLENN_GREENWALD?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-09-28-20-46-34

This is a good point. Surveillance is here to stay, I am sorry to say; so the issue for me is how to deal with it. When people make the choice to send information out onto the government's wires, they should not be shocked that the government has access to that information, and that government employees will disregard privacy laws to the extent that they can get away with. As a check against illegal searches of people's homes, I believe the 4th Amendment allows people to boobytrap their homes; the courts haven't seen it that way, so this is just my personal opinion. But it is not possible to boobytrap the internet against illegal searches. Or is it?

BenIsForRon
09-28-2013, 09:42 PM
Both of these guys do so much for this country. They are doing the necessary work to preserve a republic.

puppetmaster
09-28-2013, 10:42 PM
I want them to reveal something that will shock and awe the mundanes into a frenzy

Wake the fuck up people.....not us people just the typical human.

surf
09-29-2013, 12:00 AM
I want them to reveal something that will shock and awe the mundanes into a frenzy

Wake the fuck up people.....not us people just the typical human.
yeah, I feel a bit guilty hoping for something along the lines of "US killed Hugo Chavez" because such a revelation would make folks realize our government is even worse than they thought, but it will also hurt citizens of this country by association - i.e. folks that trade and/or travel.

perhaps the UN will vote to cut off our supply of medicine since that always works so well....

here's hoping that an international community will realize there's a difference between politicos and citizens.

idiom
09-29-2013, 01:12 AM
yeah, I feel a bit guilty hoping for something along the lines of "US killed Hugo Chavez" because such a revelation would make folks realize our government is even worse than they thought, but it will also hurt citizens of this country by association - i.e. folks that trade and/or travel.

perhaps the UN will vote to cut off our supply of medicine since that always works so well....

here's hoping that an international community will realize there's a difference between politicos and citizens.

That wouldn't do anything. "We killed Chavez without invading? 10 points."

I actually am trying to think of *anything* that would annoy Americans enough to revolt, but at this point I think the MSM could sell police driving around in tanks shooting people.

More often.

presence
09-29-2013, 05:47 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcHUXCyNxew

kcchiefs6465
09-29-2013, 06:46 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcHUXCyNxew
Is this video out anywhere?

I watched a presentation Scahill gave on his book but cannot find this.

presence
09-29-2013, 07:57 AM
Is this video out anywhere?

I watched a presentation Scahill gave on his book but cannot find this.

This torrent is currently seeding 2/4 peers:

Dirty.Wars.2013.DVDRip

keyword / hash:

cd024b979a443cc1f0d6b9050c633ad14781805d



eta:

I was able to download in full... but the file is password protected and I can't get the password site to work... might have something to do with my personal flash security settings... so if you get a pass to unlock the file please post.

thanks

A Son of Liberty
09-29-2013, 08:09 AM
That wouldn't do anything. "We killed Chavez without invading? 10 points."

I actually am trying to think of *anything* that would annoy Americans enough to revolt, but at this point I think the MSM could sell police driving around in tanks shooting people.

More often.

Agreed. Even if, for instance, Sandy Hook were fully and irrefutably revealed to be an "inside job", it would only play well for 1/2 of the Federal regime - namely, the Republican branch. And they would make full use of the "political capital", as it were.

Everything we need to show the sheeple that the state is a coercive, violent entity, the aims of which are not only in direct opposition to the peaceful existence of each and every one of us but also consider us collateral damage at best is out there in plain view... the Fed and it's origins... the wars... the military-industrial complex... the FDA... Obamacare... everything...

As evidenced even here, at the supposed bastion of individual liberty where it is all known to each of us and yet a considerable percentage of us believe in partisan politics, it seems no revelation would be big enough to cause people generally to rise up against the state. Even here, most think we can seize it and control it.

phill4paul
09-29-2013, 09:39 AM
Our government assassinates individuals? Nope. We don't do that. We are a moral society. LALALALAAAAALAAAAAAAAAA!

http://thinkingmomsrevolution.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/fingers-in-ears.jpg

limequat
09-29-2013, 10:38 AM
That wouldn't do anything. "We killed Chavez without invading? 10 points."

I actually am trying to think of *anything* that would annoy Americans enough to revolt, but at this point I think the MSM could sell police driving around in tanks shooting people.

More often.

9/11/01 revealed to be an inside job with feds planting explosives in the towers. That would do it.

limequat
09-29-2013, 10:39 AM
Our government assassinates individuals? Nope. We don't do that. We are a moral society. LALALALAAAAALAAAAAAAAAA!

http://thinkingmomsrevolution.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/fingers-in-ears.jpg

If they're "terrorists" then it's ok. No one will bat an eye unless it's a white person living in the US.

A Son of Liberty
09-29-2013, 12:17 PM
9/11/01 revealed to be an inside job with feds planting explosives in the towers. That would do it.

As much as I'd like to think so, I don't think it would. I think it would be politically devastating to Republicans, but I think the faith in the state would remain.

The idea that we need the state is such an ingrained paradigm that I don't think one single, mass revelation of any kind would do anything to vanquish it. I believe, unfortunately - and I pray to be proven wrong - that it will take either evolution, or a concerted, concentrated educational effort, or some combination of the two.

HOLLYWOOD
09-29-2013, 12:46 PM
Church Committee
The Church Committee was the United States Senate Select Committee to Study Governmental Operations with Respect to Intelligence Activities, a U.S. Senate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate) committee chaired by Senator Frank Church (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Church) (D (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_%28United_States%29)-ID (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho)) in 1975. A precursor to the U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_Select_Committee_on_Intellige nce), the committee investigated intelligence gathering (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_gathering) for illegality by the Central Intelligence Agency (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Intelligence_Agency) (CIA), National Security Agency (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Agency) (NSA) and Federal Bureau of Investigation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Bureau_of_Investigation) (FBI) after certain activities had been revealed by the Watergate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_scandal) affair.

Washington D.C., June 21, 2007- The Central Intelligence Agency violated its charter for 25 years until revelations of illegal wiretapping, domestic surveillance, assassination plots, and human experimentation led to official investigations and reforms in the 1970s, according to declassified documents posted today on the Web by the National Security Archive at George Washington University.



http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB222/


The CIA's Family Jewels

Agency Violated Charter for 25 Years,
Wiretapped Journalists and Dissidents

Update - Full Report Now Available and Full Text Searchable

CIA Announces Declassification of 1970s "Skeletons" File,
Archive Posts Justice Department Summary from 1975,
With White House Memcons on Damage Control

National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 222
Edited by Thomas Blanton

Posted - June 21, 2007
Updated - June 26, 2007, 1 p.m.

For more information contact:
Thomas Blanton - 202/994-7000

Antischism
09-29-2013, 01:19 PM
That wouldn't do anything. "We killed Chavez without invading? 10 points."

I actually am trying to think of *anything* that would annoy Americans enough to revolt, but at this point I think the MSM could sell police driving around in tanks shooting people.

More often.

Ban TV and cell phones.

Occam's Banana
09-29-2013, 02:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DQBK3TJOiQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DQBK3TJOiQ

Once that you've decided on a killing
First you make a stone of your heart
And if you find that your hands are still willing
Then you can turn a murder into art

[...]

Now you can join the ranks of the illustrious
In history's great dark hall of fame
All our greatest killers were industrious
At least the ones that we all know by name

But you can reach the top of your profession
If you become the leader of the land
For murder is the sport of the elected
And you don't need to lift a finger of your hand

Because it's murder by numbers, one, two, three
It's as easy to learn as your ABC
Murder by numbers, one, two, three
It's as easy to learn as your ABC

kcchiefs6465
09-29-2013, 06:33 PM
Here's a few good videos; Ron Paul even gets a shout out. There is a lot of information for only an hour or so of your time.

Speaks on the Abyan Airstrike, Abdulrahman's assassination, Al Awlaki's upbringing and transformation into radicalization, DU, the CIA finding Al Awlaki a wife, and much, much more.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=137SbZutMKw



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l8JmiGoW00



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQthIrMvmX0

candes
09-29-2013, 08:10 PM
9/11/01 revealed to be an inside job with feds planting explosives in the towers. That would do it.

What you mean like what Kerry said was done?

Ok it says I need 1 post before I can post a link BRB with the link in the next one.

candes
09-29-2013, 08:13 PM
Still denying my video link. Go to this video on YouTube to see Kerry mention that there was a controlled demo on 9-11. Can anyone post the video properly for me?


CH3hrgy6URI

limequat
09-29-2013, 08:44 PM
Still denying my video link. Go to this video on YouTube to see Kerry mention that there was a controlled demo on 9-11. Can anyone post the video properly for me?


CH3hrgy6URI

I think you mean this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c2euMMh3zc

Not exactly a smoking gun, but interesting nonetheless.

candes
09-29-2013, 08:57 PM
I think you mean this?

Not exactly a smoking gun, but interesting nonetheless.

Well that was a different youtube link with the same comment mentioned. I was never a 911 conspiracy person, but this video has me intrigued. How long does a controlled demolition take to prepare?

And secondly, how come this wasn't major news?

pcosmar
09-30-2013, 07:39 AM
And secondly, how come this wasn't major news?
Because "Major News" is controlled..

It is the propaganda arm of government.

kathy88
09-30-2013, 07:45 AM
I want them to reveal something that will shock and awe the mundanes into a frenzy

Wake the fuck up people.....not us people just the typical human.
At this point the only thing that will do that is maybe cancellation of the NFL.