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green73
09-27-2013, 09:51 AM
As the clock ticks down toward a possible government shutdown, Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, isn't holding back.

On the Senate floor before 10 a.m. Friday, the senator gave a speech describing how American politics have reached the level at which "a small group of willful men and women who have a certain ideology"—read: the tea party and Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas—have been able to take over the congressional budget debate in the last week. "Since they can't get their way," Harkin said, "they're going to create this confusion and discourse and hope that the public will be so mixed up in who is to blame for this, that they'll blame both sides."

This isn't just congressional business as usual, Harkin said. It's much, much more dire:


It's dangerous. It's very dangerous. I believe, Mr. President, we are at one of the most dangerous points in our history right now. Every bit as dangerous as the break-up of the Union before the Civil War.

This isn't the first time the senator has spoken out about the spiraling budget and the fight over Obamacare. Harkin suggested Thursday that Cruz looked "foolish" for his "little tirade" that lasted from Tuesday afternoon until Wednesday morning. Harkin called out Cruz as being part of "the most extreme tea-party wing" of his party, and for his "ideology-driven obstructionism."

Of course, it'd be a stretch to think that the United States is on the cusp of anything as violent as the Civil War. But the consequences of a government shutdown or topping over the debt ceiling could be massively harmful for the U.S. economy, whether you're looking at the possibility of a downgrade in U.S. credit or just the shutdown in payments and services with thousands of government employees out of work.

cont.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/senator-says-politics-have-reached-civil-war-levels-20130927

Lucille
09-27-2013, 09:59 AM
Gee, maybe you progs should have thought about that when you shoved BBFMS down America's collective throat while refusing to entertain even one minority suggestion.

Obamacare: The Most Polarizing Legislation In The History Of Congress?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-26/obamacare-most-polarizing-legislation-history-congress


...Obamacare has an “original sin” problem: for the first time in 100 years, one party crammed down a bill with national implications without any agreement from the opposing party.
[...]
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2013/09/Obamacare%20JPM%201_0.jpg

JK/SEA
09-27-2013, 10:03 AM
Harkin..>>..Pissant.

i watched a good portion of his childish rant this morning. It appears he doesn't care much for the Tea Party...or as he says Cruz, Rand, Lee are a small band of 'idealogues'...blah...blah...blah...

very sad to watch.

Brian4Liberty
09-27-2013, 10:27 AM
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69360
09-27-2013, 10:33 AM
Whatever. Every vote is the end of the world if they don't win, every opposing party are nazis. It's been the same rhetoric for the 20+ years I've been able to vote and it's still old.

CaptUSA
09-27-2013, 10:33 AM
The comments are quite pleasing. (even though most of them are ignorant. At least their ignorance is on our side for once...)

Acala
09-27-2013, 11:14 AM
If only the divide had a clear geographic demarcation we might get somewhere.

jkr
09-27-2013, 11:36 AM
REACHED?!!?!

they have been at war with the inhabitants of this landmass for 100 years...they just suddenly realized they may not win!

Uriah
09-27-2013, 11:45 AM
Harkin..>>..Pissant.

i watched a good portion of his childish rant this morning. It appears he doesn't care much for the Tea Party...or as he says Cruz, Rand, Lee are a small band of 'idealogues'...blah...blah...blah...

very sad to watch.

He's retiring... but there is no good candidate to replace him.

tod evans
09-27-2013, 01:53 PM
From Drudge;

Senator Says Politics Have Reached Civil War Levels

http://www.nationaljournal.com/congress/senator-says-politics-have-reached-civil-war-levels-20130927

As the clock ticks down toward a possible government shutdown, Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, isn't holding back.
On the Senate floor before 10 a.m. Friday, the senator gave a speech describing how American politics have reached the level at which "a small group of willful men and women who have a certain ideology"—read: the tea party and Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas—have been able to take over the congressional budget debate in the last week. "Since they can't get their way," Harkin said, "they're going to create this confusion and discourse and hope that the public will be so mixed up in who is to blame for this, that they'll blame both sides."
This isn't just congressional business as usual, Harkin said. It's much, much more dire:
It's dangerous. It's very dangerous. I believe, Mr. President, we are at one of the most dangerous points in our history right now. Every bit as dangerous as the break-up of the Union before the Civil War.
This isn't the first time the senator has spoken out about the spiraling budget and the fight over Obamacare. Harkin suggested Thursday that Cruz looked "foolish" for his "little tirade" that lasted from Tuesday afternoon until Wednesday morning. Harkin called out Cruz as being part of "the most extreme tea-party wing" of his party, and for his "ideology-driven obstructionism."
Of course, it'd be a stretch to think that the United States is on the cusp of anything as violent as the Civil War. But the consequences of a government shutdown or topping over the debt ceiling could be massively harmful for the U.S. economy, whether you're looking at the possibility of a downgrade in U.S. credit or just the shutdown in payments and services with thousands of government employees out of work.
Harkin isn't the first to pull out a dramatic historical analogy on the Senate floor this week, either. During his 21-plus hour speech, Cruz hearkened back to Nazi Germany for a comparison to "pundits" who think Obamacare cannot be defeated:
If we go to the 1940s, Nazi Germany—look, we saw it in Britain. Neville Chamberlain told the British people: Accept the Nazis. Yes, they will dominate the continent of Europe, but that is not our problem. Let's appease them. Why? Because it can't be done. We cannot possibly stand against them.
In America there were voices who listened to that; I suspect the same pundits who said it couldn't be done. If this had happened in the 1940s, we would have been listening to them. Even then they would have made television. They would have gotten beyond the carrier pigeons and letters and they would have been on TV saying: You cannot defeat the Germans.
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., later pilloried Cruz on the floor for the comparison.
So, for those of you keeping track at home: With just three days to go until a possible government shutdown, we've already had comparisons to Nazi Germany and the Civil War. And we're surely not done yet.

Deborah K
09-27-2013, 01:59 PM
blah, blah, blah, next we'll hear the democrats screaming that a shut-down will cause martial law. Same ol, same ol. And the cowards that call themselves republicans will chime right in.

phill4paul
09-27-2013, 02:00 PM
Nazi's, Civil War ................

APOCALYPTO


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geHLdg_VNww

TruckinMike
09-27-2013, 02:09 PM
I think you guys got it all wrong. Harkin is working to bolster* Cruz's chances for a 2016 run against Rand in the primaries. The Dems know where the real challenge is---> "...anyone but Rand!" :):)



edit:

* An attack from outside the family unifies the family in defense of one of their own(Cruz).

nobody's_hero
09-28-2013, 08:30 AM
I'm ready for it. Let's just get it right this time.

LibertyEagle
09-28-2013, 09:08 AM
Of course, it'd be a stretch to think that the United States is on the cusp of anything as violent as the Civil War. But the consequences of a government shutdown or topping over the debt ceiling could be massively harmful for the U.S. economy, whether you're looking at the possibility of a downgrade in U.S. credit or just the shutdown in payments and services with thousands of government employees out of work.

But a 17 TRILLION dollar debt, nah, now THAT'S not harmful at all. :rolleyes:

Tywysog Cymru
09-28-2013, 09:17 AM
I don't think a Civil War is coming anytime soon.

ClydeCoulter
09-28-2013, 09:21 AM
But a 17 TRILLION dollar debt, nah, now THAT'S not harmful at all. :rolleyes:

Damnit, LE, you're always blaming my credit card usage, if you'd just call the damn bank and get the limit raised, we'll be fine. Just call the damn bank and stop bitching! /jk :D

jbauer
09-28-2013, 03:41 PM
Civil war. Cool when can we split off the northeast, CA and Chicago? Can't get to the ballot box fast enough to vote for that.

Anti Federalist
09-28-2013, 03:49 PM
Concern Troll is Concerned.

HOLLYWOOD
09-28-2013, 04:38 PM
Senator Tom Harkin has been on Capital Hill since 1969... GESUS, this debt spending liberal has been there for... 44 straight years!

In 1969, the National Debt was $353 Billion with a GDP of 3x's that when Harkin started... now it's @ $17+ Trillion and counting. Hooked aka Addicted, to their $100 dinner plate parties at Gold Leaf, Marble, and Granite palaces of Washington DC elitist lifestyles... Then after they economically ruin the country, you have to pay for their retirement and benefits.

44 Years and counting... Man has the FIAT FEDERAL RESERVE & Capital Hill screwed this country over in the past 100 years.

HARKIN HISTORY
http://www.ourcampaigns.com/CandidateDetail.html?CandidateID=39

Pericles
09-28-2013, 05:37 PM
If only the divide had a clear geographic demarcation we might get somewhere.

If only

A Son of Liberty
09-28-2013, 06:04 PM
Good, I say! GOOD!

Let's break it up (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?428888-Break-it-up)! It's too bloody big anyway!

Aratus
09-28-2013, 07:34 PM
y'all know we'd all have to downsize by degrees...
sen. harkin has time on his hands and a tendency 4
hyperbole as of late!!! the 1850s, 1860s + 1870s
like the 1930s were brutal to live thru, i do opine...