Kerry Signs UN Arms Treaty!

[Uriel999]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09/25/kerry-signs-un-arms-treaty-senators-threaten-to-block-it/

[Zippyjuan]

The treaty does not put any restrictions or controls of any kind on domestic gun laws in countries which sign the treaty.

[Uriel999]

It will have ramifications on foreign weapons.

[matt0611]

Doesn't the senate need to ratify it anyway?

[Zippyjuan]

More info:
http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2013/aug/28/steve-stockman/un-treaty-about-weapons-systems-moving-between-cou/

The treaty emphasizes that the U.N. is leaving regulation of the arms trade within a country entirely up to that country. The preamble says the parties to the treaty reaffirm "the sovereign right of any state" to regulate arms in its own territory "pursuant to its own legal or constitutional system." It also says the parties are "mindful of legitimate trade and lawful ownership."

From the actual treaty itself:


Recognizing

the legitimate political, security, economic and commercial interests of States in the international trade in conventional arms,

Reaffirming

the sovereign right of any State to regulate and control conventional arms exclusively within its territory, pursuant to its own legal or constitutional system,


The respect for the legitimate interests of States to acquire conventional arms to exercise their right to self-defence and for peacekeeping operations; and to produce, export, import and transfer conventional arms;

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/06/04/un-small-arms-treaty-full-text/

[Miss Annie]

A letter penned by Inhofe to Kerry yesterday.
http://www.inhofe.senate.gov/download/?id=2450f520-e817-40e3-89c8-dec2e2fa9a36&download=1

[Keith and stuff]

Doesn't the senate need to ratify it anyway?
Yeah. Obama's always supported this. The Senate rejects it. Until the Senate signs it, it is meaningless inside the US.

[Lucille]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09/25/kerry-signs-un-arms-treaty-senators-threaten-to-block-it/

"This is about keeping weapons out of the hands of terrorists..."

Except for their terrorist allies (http://antiwar.com/blog/2013/09/17/obama-waives-ban-on-arming-terrorists-so-he-can-aid-syrian-rebels/) anyway.


The treaty does not put any restrictions or controls of any kind on domestic gun laws in countries which sign the treaty.

Bullshit. FO, slaver.


The Arms Trade Treaty directly threatens the Second Amendment rights and privacy of American gun owners (http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/politics/303091-un-arms-treaty-a-direct-threat-to-american-gun-ownership). Article 12 of the treaty “encourages” signatory nations to compile “records” of all “end users” of firearms imported into their county — and to supply this sensitive personal information to the government of the exporting country.

In other words, if you bought a shotgun made by an Italian manufacturer, the U.S. government would keep a record of your purchase and provide your information to the Italian government. This is gun registration on an international level, plain and simple.

http://townhall.com/columnists/katiekieffer/2013/08/05/gun-owners-dont-let-obama-sign-un-arms-trade-treaty-n1655101/page/full


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWqV7wgUVyo

[Zippyjuan]

What Article 12 actually says:

Article 12

Record keeping

1. Each State Party shall maintain national records, pursuant to its national laws and regulations, of its issuance of export authorizations or its actual exports of the conventional arms covered under Article 2 (1).2. Each State Party is encouraged to maintain records of conventional arms covered under Article 2 (1) that are transferred to its territory as the final destinationor that are authorized to transit or trans-ship territory under its jurisdiction.3. Each State Party is encouraged to include in those records: the quantity, value,model/type, authorized international transfers of conventional arms covered under Article 2 (1), conventional arms actually transferred, details of exporting State(s),importing State(s), transit and trans-shipment State(s), and end users, as appropriate.4. Records shall be kept for a minimum of ten years

They "suggest" keeping records of arms exported. Not domestic gun ownership.

[xkrazy201x]

What Article 12 actually says:


They "suggest" keeping records of arms exported. Not domestic gun ownership.

So why would you not worry about a treaty that suggests such things? Seems kind of silly to brush it off. It's like a door to door salesman getting his foot in the door.

[Lucille]

What Article 12 actually says:


They "suggest" keeping records of arms exported. Not domestic gun ownership.

Reading comprehension problems, or are you being deliberately obtuse?


The Arms Trade Treaty directly threatens the Second Amendment rights and privacy of American gun owners. Article 12 of the treaty “encourages” signatory nations to compile “records” of all “end users” of firearms imported into their county — and to supply this sensitive personal information to the government of the exporting country.

In other words, if you bought a shotgun made by an Italian manufacturer, the U.S. government would keep a record of your purchase and provide your information to the Italian government. This is gun registration on an international level, plain and simple.


A ‘National Control List’ Would Be Established

Article 5 of the Arms Trade Treaty creates a “National Control List.” Global leaders around the world who sign the treaty: “shall establish and maintain a national control system, including a national control list.”
[...]
United Nations Would Control All Guns and Ammo

The New American reports that Articles 2, 3 and 4 of the Arms Trade Treaty give the UN the authority to apprehend the right of private citizens to: “own, buy, sell, trade, or transfer all means of armed resistance, including handguns.” Ammunition, parts and components also fall under UN purview.

I don't usually talk about the boards on the boards, but I wish the mods would ban your statist, govt troll ass. This forum would lose nothing but a govt informant spreading disinfo.

[jkr]

the mummy signing a piece of paper from brussels CANNOT CIRCUMVENT THE CONSTITUTION OR ITS AMENDMENTS

[Zippyjuan]

The claims in your link is not supported by what the treaty actually says. And thanks for the vote of confidence! Freedom includes tolerating different opinions.


A ‘National Control List’ Would Be Established

Article 5 of the Arms Trade Treaty creates a “National Control List.” Global leaders around the world who sign the treaty: “shall establish and maintain a national control system, including a national control list.”
[...]
United Nations Would Control All Guns and Ammo

The "control list" covers EXPORTERS- not US gun owners or purchasers.


Articles #2, 3, and 4:

Article 2
Scope

1. This Treaty shall apply to all conventional arms within the following categories:
(a) Battle tanks;
(b) Armoured combat vehicles;
(c) Large-calibre artillery systems;
(d) Combat aircraft;
(e) Attack helicopters;
(f) Warships;
(g) Missiles and missile launchers; and
(h) Small arms and light weapons

.2. For the purposes of this Treaty, the activities of the international trade comprise export, import, transit, trans-shipment and brokering, hereafter referred to as “transfer”.

3. This Treaty shall not apply to the international movement of conventional arms by, or on behalf of, a State Party for its use provided that the conventional arms remain under that State Party’s ownership.

Article 3
Ammunition/Munitions

Each State Party shall establish and maintain a national control system to regulate the export of ammunition/munitions fired, launched or delivered by the conventional arms covered under Article 2 (1), and shall apply the provisions of Article 6 and Article 7 prior to authorizing the export of such ammunition/munitions.

Article 4
Parts and Components

Each State Party shall establish and maintain a national control system to regulate the export of parts and components where the export is in a form that provides the capability to assemble the conventional arms covered under Article 2(1) and shall apply the provisions of Article 6 and Article 7 prior to authorizing the export of such parts and components.

[shane77m]

If only matters if one complies.

[Brian4Liberty]

Don't worry, the UN is only going to regulate inter-State commerce.

[Zippyjuan]

Doesn't the senate need to ratify it anyway?

It also needs to be ratified by 49 other countries (fifty total) before the treaty can take effect.

Article 22

Entry into Force

1. This Treaty shall enter into force ninety days following the date of the deposit of the fiftieth instrument of ratification, acceptance or approval with the Depositary.

[Lucille]

The claims in your link is not supported by what the treaty actually says. And thanks for the vote of confidence! Freedom includes tolerating different opinions.

WTF are you going on about now? I don't have to tolerate shit, so you can take your twisted idea of freedom, shove it up your troll ass, and report that to your govt employer to get the vote of confidence that you obviously so desperately need. For myself, I'd rather live in the streets than be on the Sunstein payroll. It's a more dignified existence than yours, you evil, totalitarian-enabling, disinfo-spreading, Spitzel goon.

[Zippyjuan]

Sorry you disagree on things but that is OK. But if you are concerned about banning, name calling is one way to earn one. I avoid that and try to be polite.

No- I am not paid to share information and opinions. If what I post is wrong, you are welcome to disprove it.

[Lucille]

http://reason.com/blog/2013/03/28/arms-trade-treaty-set-to-pass-united-nat


More importantly for individual firearms owners, Bromund writes that the draft “still refers to ‘end users’—individual firearm owners—in Article 11. It effectively makes the definitions of arms contained in the U.N. Register of Conventional Arms nationally binding, which turns part of this voluntary program into a binding treaty commitment and would increase the pressure on the U.S. to include small arms in the formal register.” At Fox News, John Lott says the “national control list” the treaty wants each country to maintain could be used to regulate domestic firearm ownership.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2pPXWVcEKzQ/TibRQjYqMlI/AAAAAAAAhxU/bCnNjO9g1m8/s1600/LI-nyc-424b.jpg

A picture is worth a thousand words.


Sorry you disagree on things but that is OK. But if you are concerned about banning, name calling is one way to earn one. I avoid that and try to be polite.

No- I am not paid to share information and opinions. If what I post is wrong, you are free to disprove it.

OMG what a condescending little prick this guy is.

So it's just a coincidence that you constantly regurgitate what the government puts out and wants us to believe then? You're a paid Spitzel goon, disinfo agent, and liar. If the mods ban me for shoving my boot up your despicable govt troll ass once in awhile, then it will have been worth it. You're not just an annoyance, you're evil.

[Zippyjuan]

http://reason.com/blog/2013/03/28/arms-trade-treaty-set-to-pass-united-nat

More importantly for individual firearms owners, Bromund writes that the draft “still refers to ‘end users’—individual firearm owners—in Article 11. It effectively makes the definitions of arms contained in the U.N. Register of Conventional Arms nationally binding, which turns part of this voluntary program into a binding treaty commitment and would increase the pressure on the U.S. to include small arms in the formal register.” At Fox News, John Lott says the “national control list” the treaty wants each country to maintain could be used to regulate domestic firearm ownership.




OK- so now we can examine what Article 11 says and see if this is true. Remember that in earlier sections it defines the "control lists" as refering to exporters- not consumers.

Article 11

Diversion

1. Each State Party involved in the transfer of conventional arms covered under Article 2 (1) shall take measures to prevent their diversion.

2. The exporting State Party shall seek to prevent the diversion of the transfer of conventional arms covered under Article 2 (1) through its national control system, established in accordance with Article 5 (2), by assessing the risk of diversion of the export and considering the establishment of mitigation measures such as confidence-building measures or jointly developed and agreed programmes by the exporting and importing States. Other prevention measures may include, where appropriate: examining parties involved in the export, requiring additional documentation, certificates, assurances, not authorizing the export or other appropriate measures.

3. Importing, transit, trans-shipment and exporting States Parties shall cooperate and exchange information, pursuant to their national laws, where appropriate and feasible, in order to mitigate the risk of diversion of the transfer of conventional arms covered under Article 2 (1).

4. If a State Party detects a diversion of transferred conventional arms covered under Article 2 (1), the State Party shall take appropriate measures, pursuant to its national laws and in accordance with international law, to address such diversion. Such measures may include alerting potentially affected States Parties, examining diverted shipments of such conventional arms covered under Article 2 (1), andtaking follow-up measures through investigation and law enforcement.

5. In order to better comprehend and prevent the diversion of transferred conventional arms covered under Article 2 (1), States Parties are encouraged to share relevant information with one another on effective measures to address diversion. Such information may include information on illicit activities including corruption, international trafficking routes, illicit brokers, sources of illicit supply,methods of concealment, common points of dispatch, or destinations used by organized groups engaged in diversion.

6. States Parties are encouraged to report to other States Parties, through the Secretariat, on measures taken in addressing the diversion of transferred conventional arms covered under Article 2 (1).

Not seeing any reference to "end users" or domestic gun owners your link mentions. Perhaps you can help us find it?

[ClydeCoulter]

Good timing on this, Cruz what?