The NSA Can Potentially Control Your Car and Microsoft is in Bed With The NSA

[pathtofreedom]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBINsZTUUjQ
In every single version of Windows Since Windows 95 There is a NSA backdoor. This would also include derivative versions of Windows since Version 95 because they are based on the same code base. This would include server versions of Windows, Mobile Versions Such Windows Mobile 6.5 or Window Phone 7/8, the Xbox os or Embedded versions such as Windows CE. So yes the Kinnect truly is an NSA spying device. Also the government can potentially control your car. Any cellphone can pretty be used as a NSA tracking due to the Microphones in them. I am going to try to move away from Windows and use Linux. I am also going to try and find a cellphone with an opensource Microphone firmware and something that is NSA free. Plenty to fear, plenty to hide.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Yeap, just ask Michael Hastings

[coastie]

Only newer cars....

[HOLLYWOOD]

Only newer cars....On newer vehicles, the NSA calls it, "The BSOD option"

[dillo]

car computers dont run windows

[Deborah K]

car computers dont run windows

No but they have GPS. Ever heard of OnStar's "Stolen vehicle slowdown"?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AZBb13px0w

[ClydeCoulter]

I had an Avalanche (2001) and the onstar system talked in a female voice:

This would be a funny scenario:
"Please stop the vehicle and exit, this vehicle has been reported stolen and to the police near your location which is at xxxxx degress longitude, yyyyy latitude at or near the town of wwwwwww on zzzzzz road",.......... "Oh, shit!"

[dillo]

No but they have GPS. Ever heard of OnStar's "Stolen vehicle slowdown"?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AZBb13px0w


Im not doubting that onstar and nav systems are hooked into the engine, I was just pointing out that backdoors into windows arent really relevant with respect to cars. I wouldnt be surprised if there was a wire you could literally just disconnect, or just uninstall the onstar.

[Dr.3D]

car computers dont run windows
If they did, you would have to pull over every once in a while, roll up all the windows and restart the engine.

[ClydeCoulter]

If they did, you would have to pull over every once in a while, roll up all the windows and restart the engine.

Or do a core dump and have an auto restart for the program like unix.

[dillo]

If they did, you would have to pull over every once in a while, roll up all the windows and restart the engine.

car shutting down for automatic updates in 10 mins

[Deborah K]

ROFLOL! Good one, guys!

[LibForestPaul]

obd 2 - since early 2000
http://www.obd-2.com/

Researchers at the University of Washington and University of California examined the security around OBD, and found that they were able to gain control over many vehicle components via the interface. Furthermore, they were able to upload new firmware into the engine control units. Their conclusion is that vehicle embedded systems are not designed with security in mind.[25][26]

There have been reports of thieves using specialist OBD reprogramming devices to enable them to steal cars without the use of a key.[27] The primary causes of this vulnerability lie in the tendency for vehicle manufacturers to extend the bus for purposes other than those for which it was designed, and the lack of authentication and authorization in the OBD specifications, which instead rely largely on security through obscurity. -wiki

Malice vs competence, who knows.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backdoor_%28computing%29

for those not technical, above should be eye opening.

New title - fixed
Non-owners and operators can control your automotive property. Automotive industry willing particpants in backdoor coding for both corporate and government entites.

[Dr.3D]

car shutting down for automatic updates in 10 mins
Sometimes I wonder if those updates are really just a way to spy on folks.

[devil21]

Sometimes I wonder if those updates are really just a way to spy on folks.

I always set windows update to not run unless I initiate it. The other day the setting magically changed to "Install All Updates" (on Win8) and I had a bunch of shit get installed automatically. No idea how the setting changed itself.

[Dr.3D]

I always set windows update to not run unless I initiate it. The other day the setting magically changed to "Install All Updates" (on Win8) and I had a bunch of shit get installed automatically. No idea how the setting changed itself.
Must be the Microsoft janitor came by with his key to the backdoor.

[torchbearer]

Windows 95 is not based on the same base code as Windows 7.

one line of base case code went like this:
(Windows9x line)
Dos 1-6.22
Windows 3-3.11
Windows 95
Windows 98
Windows 98SE
Windows ME

and then there was a second base code that had this line

(Windows NT line)
NT 3.1-4
Windows 2000
Windows XP
Windows Vista
Windows 7
Windows 8

[Deborah K]

Sometimes I wonder if those updates are really just a way to spy on folks.

Probably. And I guess they think we're so stupid, that we would actually do something on our computers to implicate ourselves.

[coastie]

obd 2 - since early 2000
http://www.obd-2.com/

Researchers at the University of Washington and University of California examined the security around OBD, and found that they were able to gain control over many vehicle components via the interface. Furthermore, they were able to upload new firmware into the engine control units. Their conclusion is that vehicle embedded systems are not designed with security in mind.[25][26]

There have been reports of thieves using specialist OBD reprogramming devices to enable them to steal cars without the use of a key.[27] The primary causes of this vulnerability lie in the tendency for vehicle manufacturers to extend the bus for purposes other than those for which it was designed, and the lack of authentication and authorization in the OBD specifications, which instead rely largely on security through obscurity. -wiki

Malice vs competence, who knows.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backdoor_%28computing%29

for those not technical, above should be eye opening.

New title - fixed
Non-owners and operators can control your automotive property. Automotive industry willing particpants in backdoor coding for both corporate and government entites.

Did it say which OBD version(s) they tested? I know or a fact it's not possible on OBD-0 OBD-1 and at least the earlier versions of OBD2( 96-2000 year model cars), not without attaching some kind of wirelss interface, and even then, those year OBD computers weren't used on ANY cars that had any kind of electronic steering or braking. At most, you could play with the fuel maps and the Throttle Position Sensor and cause the car to accelerate, but the driver would just have to shift to neutral and shut the car off and brake to a stop.

Y'all can have all that newer electronic steering, braking, door lock shit.

[Anti Federalist]

Sometimes I wonder if those updates are really just a way to spy on folks.

Sometimes?

Wonder?