Navy Yard shooting: Aaron Alexis narrative crumbling

[donnay]

Navy Yard shooting: Aaron Alexis narrative crumbling

by Jon Rappoport

September 17, 2013

Yesterday, I referenced a USA Today piece which cited a federal law-enforcement source (off the record), who states that Aaron Alexis, the accused shooter, cleared a Navy Yard security checkpoint in his car. After parking in the lot, he got into an argument and opened fire on one or two people. He then entered the building where he went on a killing spree.

So did Alexis shoot his way past security guards at the building’s separate checkpoint? Why weren’t the guards waiting for him just outside the building with their weapons drawn, after he, Alexis, had already shot people in the parking lot?

This USA Today account hasn’t spread widely through major media. It’s a version of events quite different from the official, more peaceful “gained entrance to the building by using someone’s else’s ID.”

So that’s two accounts.

Now I have a third, from an unsourced person who appears to be familiar with procedures at the Navy Yard and other naval facilities where computer techs (private contractors) work.

According to this source, Alexis was to show up at the Yard to work. He’d been hired as a tech. This was his first day on the job. He didn’t need two IDs, because these private-contractor techs are issued a VAL, Visitor Authorization Letter, which permits them to enter and work in various buildings. These VALs have an expiration date.

Alexis would have been carrying a VAL to get past checkpoints. Also, these techs typically carry no more than a backpack or small bag for cables and program CDs. Highly unlikely that Alexis could have gotten inside with a shotgun.

So that’s three scenarios.

Then we have the variations. He obtained an AR15 inside the building. No he didn’t. He got hold of two handguns. He fired an AR15 shotgun (CNN), which doesn’t exist.

There were two other shooters. No there weren’t. One of the two was interviewed and released. The third suspect? Who knows?

Somebody’s lying, big-time.

Source:
http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2013/09/17/navy-yard-shooting-aaron-alexis-narrative-crumbling/

[69360]

Oh noes the alien lizard men who rule the world made him do it!

After any crime there will be differing eyewitness accounts, people under stress don't remember well. It's eventually investigated and the truth comes out.

[belian78]

Oh noes the alien lizard men who rule the world made him do it!

After any crime there will be differing eyewitness accounts, people under stress don't remember well. It's eventually investigated and the truth comes out.

So why is it then, that the last 5 or 6 of these incidents have had these multiple scenarios/explanations which none ever check out? Why isn't there just at least one that, at the end of the day, has a clear cut story from start to finish? Just keep pooh pooh'ing away each story as it happens, you only make yourself look more foolish each time.

[donnay]

Oh noes the alien lizard men who rule the world made him do it!

After any crime there will be differing eyewitness accounts, people under stress don't remember well. It's eventually investigated and the truth comes out.

Then release raw uncut CCTV video! Kind of like when the Pentagon was hit on 9/11. You want to stop speculation then allow all raw uncut CCTV footage out.

[KingNothing]

Oh noes the alien lizard men who rule the world made him do it!

After any crime there will be differing eyewitness accounts, people under stress don't remember well. It's eventually investigated and the truth comes out.

It's like people have never seen Rashomon.

[angelatc]

Oh noes the alien lizard men who rule the world made him do it!

After any crime there will be differing eyewitness accounts, people under stress don't remember well. It's eventually investigated and the truth comes out.


It's amazing that they're smart enough to rule the whole world, yet can't ever create a false flag event that doesn't have a script ready for the complicit media that they own, isn't it?

[eduardo89]

It's amazing that they're smart enough to rule the whole world, yet can't ever create a false flag event that doesn't have a script ready for the complicit media that they own, isn't it?

Natural News and Alex Jones are just too smart to be fooled.

[Uriel999]

google MKA 1919. it is an ar15 style shotgun...they do exist...just saying. Was one used though...no.

[Peace Piper]

Somebody’s lying, big-time.

In a few hundred years when historians attempt to chronicle the fall of the
experiment known as the US hopefully the little slave children will have threads like this to
help explain how it was possible. There's simply nothing that the people wouldn't swallow.

This Sh*te is disgusting. Divided and conquered. In a few short years.

By phuking dirty disgusting filthy lying scum of the earth. No wonder OBomba grins all the time.

He's the perfect poster boy for the Boomers and generation x, y and z. Shuck and Jive baby.
Don't ask why either. You were told to.

Maybe there are forums around where people can discuss things without the meathead brigade
ankle biting and yapping like constipated poodles. Certainly worth trying to find some.

What a disgrace. Maybe why Ron never bothers to do a Q/A thread or respond to anyone.

Keep trying Donnay, it's soldiers work.

[fearthereaperx]

So why is it then, that the last 5 or 6 of these incidents have had these multiple scenarios/explanations which none ever check out? Why isn't there just at least one that, at the end of the day, has a clear cut story from start to finish? Just keep pooh pooh'ing away each story as it happens, you only make yourself look more foolish each time.

Sikh temple shooting: 4 White Males Dressed in Black

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSvex9GYPlc

[69360]

Natural News and Alex Jones are just too smart to be fooled.

Jones is right once in a while, but sometimes he is way out in left field.

[FloralScent]

...

[ravedown]

huh?
Navy Yard: Swat team 'stood down' at mass shooting scene
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/24153252#FBM286850

[thoughtomator]

what happened to the second/third shooters?

[RickyJ]

Oh noes the alien lizard men who rule the world made him do it!

After any crime there will be differing eyewitness accounts, people under stress don't remember well. It's eventually investigated and the truth comes out.

Where? Not in the USA! Still there are people that think 19 Arabs did 9/11. Still after 12 years since 9/11! People are stupid!

[ClydeCoulter]

huh?
Navy Yard: Swat team 'stood down' at mass shooting scene
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/24153252#FBM286850

Just like 9/11 and Benghazi...Stand Down Orders ! :mad:

[Ranger29860]

So why is it then, that the last 5 or 6 of these incidents have had these multiple scenarios/explanations which none ever check out? Why isn't there just at least one that, at the end of the day, has a clear cut story from start to finish? Just keep pooh pooh'ing away each story as it happens, you only make yourself look more foolish each time.


Because news channels and outlets thrive in the chaos they create by speculating wildly and trying to be the first to report ANYTHING.

[RonPaulFanInGA]

These conspiracy theories are becoming so boring. It's always the "initial reports had more than one!" thing. It's happened so much lately, especially with Aurora and Newtown.

Please, get some new material.

[green73]

what happened to the second/third shooters?

One was cleared. Haven't been following close enough to know about the other. I assume he was "ruled out" as well.

[green73]

These conspiracy theories are becoming so boring. It's always the "initial reports had more than one!" thing. It's happened so much lately, especially with Aurora and Newtown.

Please, get some new material.

Glad we have people like you around to keep this place smart.

[dillo]

These conspiracy theories are becoming so boring. It's always the "initial reports had more than one!" thing. It's happened so much lately, especially with Aurora and Newtown.

Please, get some new material.


I kind of agree with you, people pretend like tragedies don't actually happen because of evil people. With that being said

I watched the sikh thing covered live and I remember multiple eye witnesses saying 4 shooters, thats kind of hard to fuck up 1 shooter vs 4 shooters. The media dropped coverage after a day

Newtown the only thing that was suspicious was the guy running through the woods, who was never identified

[fearthereaperx]

These conspiracy theories are becoming so boring. It's always the "initial reports had more than one!" thing. It's happened so much lately, especially with Aurora and Newtown.

Please, get some new material.

And virginia tech shooting, Norway shooting, Sikh Temple shooting...

[donnay]

Natural News and Alex Jones are just too smart to be fooled.


Glad to see you're coming around.

[eduardo89]

Glad to see you're coming around.

With all the facts and relevant sources like "google.com" that NaturalNews uses, how could I not come around?

[tangent4ronpaul]

Then we have the variations. He obtained an AR15 inside the building. No he didn’t. He got hold of two handguns. He fired an AR15 shotgun (CNN), which doesn’t exist.


Ummm, actually....

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/archive/index.php/t-325205.html
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/07/06/safir-arms-t-14-410-ar-15-uppers-now-available/
etc...

The moral of this story is that if you are working at a Navy ship yard and someone asks you to load a bunch of Sarin canisters onto a boat bound for Syria, A) QUIT!, B) Go underground and C) try to seek asylum in Russia or S. America or someplace safer...

Funny how all those SEAL Team 6 members that participated in the OBL raid had a helicopter accident.

I can believe in coincidence, every once in a blue moon, but this is regular - like mass shootings when legislation is pressing and at just the right time for the public over-reaction to kick in... We are way past coincidence now. This is too regular. Too well timed.

-t

[tangent4ronpaul]

OMG! - THIS GUY IS INSANE!!!

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/02/24/12-gauge-ar-15-upper-machine-gun/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iX7vwivR6cE

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/02/12/atis-new-12-gauge-ar-15-patterned-shotgun/

:eek:

-t

[ZENemy]

Patterns on BOTH sides allude to control.

A Bank on the side of BOTH wars for a long time, its no different now.

[BlackTerrel]

Funny how all those SEAL Team 6 members that participated in the OBL raid had a helicopter accident.


This isn't true.

[donnay]

This isn't true.

22 Osama-unit Navy SEALs killed as Taliban rocket shoots down helicopter over Afghanistan
http://nypost.com/2011/08/07/22-osama-unit-navy-seals-killed-as-taliban-rocket-shoots-down-helicopter-over-afghanistan/

More sources:
http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/seal-team-6-families-suspicions-of-govt-grow/
http://frontpagemag.com/2013/arnold-ahlert/a-scandal-bigger-than-benghazi/
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/313039-congress-to-probe-lethal-seal-crash
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/08/06/afghan-president-31-americans-killed-in-helicopter-crash/

[BlackTerrel]

22 Osama-unit Navy SEALs killed as Taliban rocket shoots down helicopter over Afghanistan
http://nypost.com/2011/08/07/22-osama-unit-navy-seals-killed-as-taliban-rocket-shoots-down-helicopter-over-afghanistan/

Read your own link

Officials said none of the slain SEALs had participated in the May bin Laden raid carried out by their Team 6 comrades.

[fr33]

huh?
Navy Yard: Swat team 'stood down' at mass shooting scene
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/24153252#FBM286850

That's what SWAT teams do. If they aren't serving drug warrants on non violent criminals, then they are sitting back waiting for the shooting to stop. It's what they did at Columbine. Sure they'll always cite these shooting sprees for the reason they need military equipment but they never use it against someone unless they think they won't get shot back at.

[green73]

I kind of agree with you, people pretend like tragedies don't actually happen because of evil people. With that being said

I watched the sikh thing covered live and I remember multiple eye witnesses saying 4 shooters, thats kind of hard to fuck up 1 shooter vs 4 shooters. The media dropped coverage after a day

It was just crazy RPF kooks!

[pcosmar]

It's eventually investigated and the truth comes out.

That depends on who is doing the investigating.. And what story they want to cover up.

[donnay]

Read your own link

Officials said none of the slain SEALs had participated in the May bin Laden raid carried out by their Team 6 comrades.


At the link provided-- first paragraph:

Nearly two dozen members of the elite Navy SEAL unit that took out Osama bin Laden perished yesterday in a horrific helicopter strike at the hands of the Taliban in Afghanistan, officials said.

[BlackTerrel]

At the link provided-- first paragraph:

Nearly two dozen members of the elite Navy SEAL unit that took out Osama bin Laden perished yesterday in a horrific helicopter strike at the hands of the Taliban in Afghanistan, officials said.

Yes. People in the same unit. But not actually the ones who took out Bin Laden.

Which was my point when I responded to


Funny how all those SEAL Team 6 members that participated in the OBL raid had a helicopter accident.

And your own link disagrees with this when it says:

Officials said none of the slain SEALs had participated in the May bin Laden raid carried out by their Team 6 comrades.

What are we arguing about?

[jonhowe]

At the link provided-- first paragraph:

Nearly two dozen members of the elite Navy SEAL unit that took out Osama bin Laden perished yesterday in a horrific helicopter strike at the hands of the Taliban in Afghanistan, officials said.

Seal team 6 is more than just 22 guys.

None of the ones who participated in the raid died in the crashes, is what the link says.


Edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Naval_Special_Warfare_Development_Gr oup#Structure

[donnay]

Yes. People in the same unit. But not actually the ones who took out Bin Laden.

Which was my point when I responded to



And your own link disagrees with this when it says:

Officials said none of the slain SEALs had participated in the May bin Laden raid carried out by their Team 6 comrades.

What are we arguing about?


Then you cross reference it with other sources in which I posted:

The first link:
The downing of the helicopter came just months after SEAL Team 6 conducted the raid that killed bin Laden. Normally, when operations of that nature are conducted, the identities of the units involved are kept classified for operational security. However, following the bin Laden raid, Vice President Joe Biden and the administration confirmed that SEAL Team 6 members had conducted the operation.
Source: http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/seal-team-6-families-suspicions-of-govt-grow/#8X0wIGer5o293ljO.99

In a story that has remained largely under the mainstream media radar, Congress announced late last month that it would finally investigate the Aug. 6, 2011 helicopter crash in Afghanistan that resulted in 38 deaths, including 22 members of SEAL Team 6, made famous three months earlier when they killed Osama Bin Laden.
Source: http://frontpagemag.com/2013/arnold-ahlert/a-scandal-bigger-than-benghazi/


Insurgents shot down a U.S. military helicopter during fighting in eastern Afghanistan, killing 30 Americans, most of them belonging to the same elite unit as the Navy SEALs who killed former Al Qaeda leader Usama bin Laden, U.S. officials said Saturday. It was the deadliest single loss for American forces in the decade-old war against the Taliban.

One current and one former U.S. official said that the dead included 25 Navy SEALs from SEAL Team Six, the unit that carried out the raid in Pakistan in May that killed bin Laden.
Source: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/08/06/afghan-president-31-americans-killed-in-helicopter-crash/#ixzz2fJ9hwfG4

[angelatc]

Funny how all those SEAL Team 6 members that participated in the OBL raid had a helicopter accident.

-t

Source?

Its mu understanding that the Pentagon has not released information that would prove or disprove that assertion. This is interesting though, especially for those of us who don't need to make up facts: http://commonsensewonder.blogspot.com/2013/08/why-did-22-seals-team-6-die-in-one.html

[angelatc]

Then you cross reference it with other sources in which I posted:


We get that. We know some Seal Team unit members were killed in a crash. But none of those links answer the question that he asked, which is - How do you know the guys who went on the Bin Laden raid were on the helicopter that crashed?

[UWDude]

We get that. We know some Seal Team unit members were killed in a crash. But none of those links answer the question that he asked, which is - How do you know the guys who went on the Bin Laden raid were on the helicopter that crashed?

It's just a coincidence they were from the same team.

I also like the part where a bunch of SEALS who participated started blabbing details and talking to journalists about the raid within a year. Sounds like the members of an elite squad sworn to secrecy to me.

[donnay]

We get that. We know some Seal Team unit members were killed in a crash. But none of those links answer the question that he asked, which is - How do you know the guys who went on the Bin Laden raid were on the helicopter that crashed?





Well the interesting twist is, whistleblowers have already stated, for the record, that Bin Laden was dead in 2001. That being said this whole incident was a farce from start to finish.

The parents of these SEALS are getting angry and they want answers. They are making a lot of noise. This administration lies through their teeth so the actual numbers are kind of murky. I have read some of the reports coming out of Judicial Watch that say at least 3 SEALS (that they know of) were killed but that is not confirmed because the government will not comply with their requests.

http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/seal-team-6-families-suspicions-of-govt-grow/
http://frontpagemag.com/2013/arnold-ahlert/a-scandal-bigger-than-benghazi/

[CPUd]

Then you cross reference it with other sources in which I posted:

The first link:
The downing of the helicopter came just months after SEAL Team 6 conducted the raid that killed bin Laden. Normally, when operations of that nature are conducted, the identities of the units involved are kept classified for operational security. However, following the bin Laden raid, Vice President Joe Biden and the administration confirmed that SEAL Team 6 members had conducted the operation.
Source: http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/seal-team-6-families-suspicions-of-govt-grow/#8X0wIGer5o293ljO.99

In a story that has remained largely under the mainstream media radar, Congress announced late last month that it would finally investigate the Aug. 6, 2011 helicopter crash in Afghanistan that resulted in 38 deaths, including 22 members of SEAL Team 6, made famous three months earlier when they killed Osama Bin Laden.
Source: http://frontpagemag.com/2013/arnold-ahlert/a-scandal-bigger-than-benghazi/


Insurgents shot down a U.S. military helicopter during fighting in eastern Afghanistan, killing 30 Americans, most of them belonging to the same elite unit as the Navy SEALs who killed former Al Qaeda leader Usama bin Laden, U.S. officials said Saturday. It was the deadliest single loss for American forces in the decade-old war against the Taliban.

One current and one former U.S. official said that the dead included 25 Navy SEALs from SEAL Team Six, the unit that carried out the raid in Pakistan in May that killed bin Laden.
Source: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/08/06/afghan-president-31-americans-killed-in-helicopter-crash/#ixzz2fJ9hwfG4

You realize what you are posting is actually disproving your claim?

[angelatc]

It's just a coincidence they were from the same team.



We have no idea if they were on the same squad, if that's what you were going for. The last I heard the Pentagon had not released that information.

[angelatc]

Well the interesting twist is, whistleblowers have already stated, for the record, that Bin Laden was dead in 2001.

Riiiiiiiight.

And when Ron Paul stood up in Congress and said intelligence indicated that Bin Laden was in Pakistan, that's when we found out he was controlled opposition?

[Slutter McGee]

Riiiiiiiight.

And when Ron Paul stood up in Congress and said intelligence indicated that Bin Laden was in Pakistan, that's when we found out he was controlled opposition?

Shut the fuck up woman.
Stop using common fucking sense

Slutter McGee

[BlackTerrel]

Then you cross reference it with other sources in which I posted:

The first link:
The downing of the helicopter came just months after SEAL Team 6 conducted the raid that killed bin Laden. Normally, when operations of that nature are conducted, the identities of the units involved are kept classified for operational security. However, following the bin Laden raid, Vice President Joe Biden and the administration confirmed that SEAL Team 6 members had conducted the operation.
Source: http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/seal-team-6-families-suspicions-of-govt-grow/#8X0wIGer5o293ljO.99

In a story that has remained largely under the mainstream media radar, Congress announced late last month that it would finally investigate the Aug. 6, 2011 helicopter crash in Afghanistan that resulted in 38 deaths, including 22 members of SEAL Team 6, made famous three months earlier when they killed Osama Bin Laden.
Source: http://frontpagemag.com/2013/arnold-ahlert/a-scandal-bigger-than-benghazi/


Insurgents shot down a U.S. military helicopter during fighting in eastern Afghanistan, killing 30 Americans, most of them belonging to the same elite unit as the Navy SEALs who killed former Al Qaeda leader Usama bin Laden, U.S. officials said Saturday. It was the deadliest single loss for American forces in the decade-old war against the Taliban.

One current and one former U.S. official said that the dead included 25 Navy SEALs from SEAL Team Six, the unit that carried out the raid in Pakistan in May that killed bin Laden.
Source: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/08/06/afghan-president-31-americans-killed-in-helicopter-crash/#ixzz2fJ9hwfG4

None of the links you posted say that the seals who killed Bin Laden died in the helicopter crash. And your original link specifically disputes it.

What are you arguing here? Are you saying the link is wrong and the people in the crash were the ones who killed Bin Laden? Based on what?

[donnay]

Riiiiiiiight.

And when Ron Paul stood up in Congress and said intelligence indicated that Bin Laden was in Pakistan, that's when we found out he was controlled opposition?

:rolleyes: Dr. Paul okayed Afghanistan because that is what the intelligence told Congress at the time, I do not blame him for trusting a lie. So many people have fallen for it, clearly.

[donnay]

None of the links you posted say that the seals who killed Bin Laden died in the helicopter crash. And your original link specifically disputes it.

What are you arguing here? Are you saying the link is wrong and the people in the crash were the ones who killed Bin Laden? Based on what?


THAT'S BECAUSE NONE OF THOSE SEALS KILLED BIN LADEN!!

[BlackTerrel]

THAT'S BECAUSE NONE OF THOSE SEALS KILLED BIN LADEN!!

Am I on punk'd?

[ClydeCoulter]

Am I on punk'd?

I think donnay meant, NO seal killed Bin Laden, because he was dead years before.

[UWDude]

We have no idea if they were on the same squad, if that's what you were going for. The last I heard the Pentagon had not released that information.

The pentagon said they were not, which would usually be classified information. But not this time of course, because the pentagon also has a bunch of guys that were there, and the public is to listen to their stories, and not question why the pentagon is not prosecuting the blabbermouths of the elite SEAL team 6 who are giving details of one of the most secret operations in American history... ..to fucking Esquire Magazine.

Back in the old days, members of the elite squads would take secrets and details of operations to their graves. I guess since 2011, all that changed, and now anybody can just blab away all the details if they so wish, SEAL team 6 or not... ...and they don't have to wait decades, or even five years to talk... ...nope, they can start blabbing within a couple of years if they wish.

I mean, it's fucking high treason to tell the world the NSA is spying on them, but the actions of heros to let the world know the tactics of SEAL Team 6. I guess that whole top secret assassination squad shit was just a joke. It's like when they are in classified meetings, the colonel says, "gentlemen, this is a top secret mission, I don't need to tell you talking about this to anyone, even your family, is strictly forbidden, LOL, J/K, tell anybody you want, it's no big deal, LOL. Fuck it, sell your story to a magazine, hee hee, we don't care, ROFLMAO"

Jesus Christ, don't you know a propaganda campaign when you see one?


What are you arguing here? Are you saying the link is wrong and the people in the crash were the ones who killed Bin Laden? Based on what?

There is no evidence, except another strange coincidence where a STAGED photo op was exposed (and there is plenty of evidence and admissions now that all the pictures in DC, such as the Statement by Leon Panetta admitting that Obama, Hillary et al watching it live was bullshit, so we KNOW they were lying about that), and then 93 days later, 22 SEAL Team 6 members are crammed onto a chinook and shot down. Oh, and of course, one of the fathers of the SEALs is talking about the entire cover up job going on over that too, with stupid shit like he was told by the pentagon the black box was "washed away in a flash flood" and how all the members of the team were cremated, against the wishes of the family members.

WHAT A COINCIDENCE!! Let's just blame it on "government incompetence".

[BlackTerrel]

I think donnay meant, NO seal killed Bin Laden, because he was dead years before.

so what was the point of all the links he posted?

[donnay]

so what was the point of all the links he posted?

The point is government lies. The parents of SEAL Team 6 are making lots of noise...the government says they cannot divulge the information of the SEAL Team members who were killed in the helicopter crash that allegedly raided and KILLED Osama Bin Laden. But then, Joe Biden opened his BIG FAT MOUTH, prior to the helicopter crash, that SEAL Team 6 were the team that raided the Bin Laden compound which made the SEAL Team members know they had a bull's-eye on their backs.

[UWDude]

Youtube SEAL team 6 Charles strange

charles strange is th efather of Michael Strange, one of the SEAL Team 6 members killed int he Chinook crash.

watch videos

see how the navy treated the families of the victims of the SEAL Team 6 helicopter crash 93 days after the OBL raid.