Alleged Navy Yard Shooter Gets Shotgun Past Metal Detectors, Is Never Caught on Film

[calpolyfan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJLiccHcnmE

[WM_in_MO]

Already confirmed he did not use an AR-15.

1 Shotgun 3 pistols

[FloralScent]

Already confirmed he did not use an AR-15.

1 Shotgun 3 pistols

So shotguns don't trip metal detectors?

[phill4paul]

Already confirmed he did not use an AR-15.

1 Shotgun 3 pistols

Well, geewhiz, Wally. You mean the incessant broadcasting and comparisons of those black scary guns that the military uses wasn't accurate?

[Cabal]

Legally purchased shotgun. No AR-15.

[pcosmar]

Already confirmed he did not use an AR-15.

1 Shotgun 3 pistols

And yet witnesses at the time claimed one of the shooters had a rifle,, and had fired several shots over their heads.

I am not even sure if this dead body they are presenting now had anything at all to do with it,,, or if he is just "Canned Goods".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Himmler
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident


To make the attack seem more convincing, the Germans brought in Franciszek Honiok, a German Silesian known for sympathizing with the Poles, who had been arrested the previous day by the Gestapo. Honiok was dressed to look like a saboteur; then killed by lethal injection, given gunshot wounds, and left dead at the scene, so that he appeared to have been killed while attacking the station. His corpse was subsequently presented as proof of the attack to the police and press.

In addition to Honiok, several other prisoners from the Dachau concentration camp were kept available for this purpose. The Germans referred to them by the code phrase "Konserve" ("canned goods"). For this reason, some sources incorrectly refer to the incident as "Operation Canned Goods."

[pcosmar]

So shotguns don't trip metal detectors?

And secure Military Installations,, Aren't.

Several points of this "Cock and Bull" story do not add correctly.
http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/cock-and-bull+story

[TonySutton]

Anyone else see the irony of a Ryder moving truck being parked in front of the building in the google street view shot :P

[Acala]

Didn't Biden advise the use of a shotugn?

[jtap]

Already confirmed he did not use an AR-15.

1 Shotgun 3 pistols

You wouldn't know that reading most articles.

I read one today that ignored that he came in with the shotgun and used it but enjoyed mentioning the AR-15 and that it was the rifle used at Sandy Hook and in the Colorado theatre.


Alexis carried three weapons: an AR-15 assault rifle, a shotgun, and a handgun that he took from a police officer at the scene, according to two federal law enforcement officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the investigation. The AR-15 is the same type of rifle used in last year's mass shooting at a Newtown, Conn., elementary school that killed 20 students and six women. The weapon was also used in the shooting at a Colorado movie theater that killed 12 and wounded 70.

http://news.yahoo.com/contract-worker-behind-navy-yard-shooting-rampage-111847531.html

Classic "journalism". Later on it talks about him firing 7 shots or so but leaves what weapon of the 3 up to your imagination and really makes you think it was the one they talked about the most and not the pistol or shotgun they glossed over. Sickening, per usual. I guess I should be impressed they mentioned that he took the handgun from someone else.

[RonZeplin]

Didn't Biden advise the use of a shotugn?

NBC4 reported that a double barrel shotgun was used to shoot a cop. That's Uncle Joe's weapon of choice... Was the shooter trained and equipped by Shotgun Joe Biden?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-aFyefQsOyo

[Brian4Liberty]

Thread title is wrong, needs to be changed.

[pcosmar]

Thread title is wrong, needs to be changed.

Well,, the type of firearm may be in dispute. if the story is to be believed at all,, he walked through secured checkpoints armed with 2 pistols and a Shotgun.

Never mind that he fits none of the witness reports.

I expect that he was "Canned Goods",, or he was just another victim who was convenient for a cover story.

[Zippyjuan]

Latest is no AR-15. Entered just with shotgun and picked up handguns once inside- probably from victims.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2013/09/17/navy-yard-shooter-what-about-that-alleged-ar-15/


CNN correspondent Pamela Brown just reported on air that Aaron Alexis, the deceased suspect in the Navy Yard shootings, entered the facility yesterday armed with a shotgun. Citing the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms as well as law enforcement sources, Brown reported that the gunman had tried to purchase an AR-15 at a gun shop in Northern Virginia but was turned down. Two pistols were also recovered.

So why all the reports about the gunman and an AR-15? This is how Brown explained it: “Military personnel that were responding to the shooting were carrying maybe one or more AR-15s and that’s where the confusion came from, initially from law enforcement. That’s why that was reported.”

[pcosmar]

Latest is no AR-15. Entered just with shotgun and picked up handguns once inside- probably from victims.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2013/09/17/navy-yard-shooter-what-about-that-alleged-ar-15/

And that is contrary to another report that he had rented an AR15,, but had returned it.

And it also disputes several Eye Witness reports that a man was firing a rifle,, at them.

And this guy is not 50,, and has no grey sideburns.

Story stinks. Something went on there,, but not what we are being led to believe.

[Christian Liberty]

NBC4 reported that a double barrel shotgun was used to shoot a cop

Was the cop an aggressor?

[HOLLYWOOD]

So shotguns don't trip metal detectors?Sounds like Michael Chertoff or some other former government leech getting yet another security contract, to make military installations "more secure". More scanners, more screeners, more security, more cameras, more sensors... Just watch, and it'll probably go to some Israeli firm or a shadow subsidiary within the U.S.


Didn't Biden advise the use of a shotgun?Old Gas Bag Joe Biden... This clown of a politician will go down in history as one of America's top fools of Washington DC politics. Imagine the nightmare ticket of 'Dubya and the Shotgun Zionist'... Match made in mouth heaven.

[Zippyjuan]

And that is contrary to another report that he had rented an AR15,, but had returned it.

And it also disputes several Eye Witness reports that a man was firing a rifle,, at them.

And this guy is not 50,, and has no grey sideburns.

Story stinks. Something went on there,, but not what we are being led to believe.

Early reports of incidents often include contradictory and incorrect information. It takes time to sort it out. Not necessarily some conspiracy.

[pcosmar]

Early reports of incidents often include contradictory and incorrect information. It takes time to sort it out. Not necessarily some conspiracy.

So what make any later story any more credible?

Especially when the shooter was reported dead,, and shooting was still ongoing,,and they were still hunting them..

And at one point,, it was reported that there were 2 shooters dead and they ware looking for the third..


And at the end of the day,, it is one guy that does not match descriptions,, armed with only a shotgun that took over a High Security Military instalation.

Sorry Zippy,, the story stinks..

[jmdrake]

Well if it turns out that it was a shotgun, I wonder how Piers Morgan will spin this? One of his talking points is "all of the latest shooters used AR-15s." Of course he conveniently omits the fact that the most deadliest shooter, the VA Tech shooter, used handguns.

[Acala]

Early reports of incidents often include contradictory and incorrect information. It takes time to sort it out. Not necessarily some conspiracy.

Agreed. Numerous studies have been done showing that the observation powers of eyewitnesses are typically awful. I would be far MORE suspicious of initial reports of tumultuous events that DIDN'T change as facts got sorted out. That's what a script would look like, not muddle and confusion and contradiction. The news media rarely deliver a clear story on ANYTHING even when reporting on simple matters and with complete interviews of the principals in hand. They just aren't very good. Just ask Som Ting Wong.

[RonZeplin]

Was the cop an aggressor?

AFAIK, no. Reports are that it was a Remington pump shotgun bought in northern VA. That's a more believable story.

[angelatc]

Agreed. Numerous studies have been done showing that the observation powers of eyewitnesses are typically awful..


Maybe that's what they want you to believe. <ducks>

[RCA]

The volume sucks ass on this video.

[torchbearer]

And secure Military Installations,, Aren't.

I get onto Fort Polk all the time with my glock.