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green73
09-15-2013, 03:37 PM
Former NSA and CIA director Michael Hayden stood on the pulpit of a church across from the White House on Sunday and declared Gmail the preferred online service of terrorists. As part of an adult education forum at St. John’s Episcopal Church, Hayden gave a wide ranging speech on "the tension between security and liberty."

During the speech, he specifically defended Section 702 of the Foreign Surveillance Intelligence Act (FISA), which provides the legal basis for the PRISM program. In doing so, Hayden claimed "Gmail is the preferred Internet service provider of terrorists worldwide," presumably meaning online service rather than the actual provider of Internet service. He added: "I don't think you're going to see that in a Google commercial, but it's free, it's ubiquitous, so of course it is."

Asked whether the United States's promiscuous surveillance was setting a harmful example for other nations, Hayden suggested that the Internet's origins in the United States partially justifies the NSA's conduct. If the Web lasts another 500 years, he said, it may be the thing the United States is remembered for "the way the Romans are remembered for their roads."

"We built it here, and it was quintessentially American," he said, adding that partially due to that, much of traffic goes through American servers where the government "takes a picture of it for intelligence purposes."

That response may not comfort U.S. technology companies who are already seeing suspicion of the NSA hurting them with overseas customers. One report from the Information Technology and Innovation Foundation (ITIF) earlier in the summer predicted U.S. cloud service providers would lose out on $21.5 to $35 billion over the next three years due to recent revelations. More recently, the CEO of CloudFlare, a Web site security firm and network provider, said the gag orders on government requests for data are "insane" and the whole scandal is costing them customers.

Hayden also conceded that the United States. "could be fairly charged with the militarization of the World Wide Web." The NSA's Tactical Access Operations (TAO) is reportedly charged with hacking foreign targets to steal data and monitor communications. It also reportedly develops programs that could destroy or damage foreign computers and networks using cyberattacks.

At one point, Hayden expressed a distaste for online anonymity, saying "The problem I have with the Internet is that it's anonymous." But he noted, there is a struggle over that issue even inside government. The issue came to a head during the Arab Spring movement when the State Department was funding technology to protect the anonymity of activists so governments could not track down or repress their voices.

"We have a very difficult time with this," Hayden said. He then asked, "is our vision of the World Wide Web the global digital commons -- at this point you should see butterflies flying here and soft background meadow-like music -- or a global free fire zone?" Given that Hayden also compared the Internet to the wild west and Somalia, Hayden clearly leans toward the "global free fire zone" vision of the Internet.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/09/15/former-nsa-and-cia-director-says-terrorists-love-using-gmail/

CPUd
09-15-2013, 04:47 PM
Gmail used to be the only free email service that didn't put the sender IP in the headers.

tangent4ronpaul
09-15-2013, 05:45 PM
Gmail used to be the only free email service that didn't put the sender IP in the headers.

Interesting. Do they still not do this? Who else doesn't do it?

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muh_roads
09-16-2013, 12:34 AM
The issue came to a head during the Arab Spring movement when the State Department was funding technology to protect the anonymity of activists so governments could not track down or repress their voices.

What does this mean? Government actually being nice for a change? I guess I don't understand the "arab spring"...thing.

fr33
09-16-2013, 12:41 AM
Gmail used to be the only free email service that didn't put the sender IP in the headers.

Yeah but they always required a cell phone number to activate. Not sure if that's still the policy today...

HOLLYWOOD
09-16-2013, 01:07 AM
Michael Hayden is a fuckin Nazi... here's jerkoff's page of 'Authority' pedaling: http://www.leadingauthorities.com/speaker/michael-hayden.aspx

http://www.topnews.in/files/Michael-Hayden-CIA%20Director.jpg


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Sola_Fide
09-16-2013, 04:52 AM
They will stamp out freedom anywhere it arises.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
09-16-2013, 06:23 AM
Yeah but they always required a cell phone number to activate. Not sure if that's still the policy today...

I had quite a few accounts several years ago without a phone number. Seems they just started the phone thing about a year or two ago. Eh, GMX or www.rawfoods.com email is better anyway.

SludgeFactory
09-16-2013, 08:55 AM
He may be somewhat right. The United States Department of Interior made the switch to Gmail about a year ago.

JoshLowry
09-16-2013, 09:06 AM
Who are these terrorists?

Go get them if they are guilty of crimes Hayden.

You have their email accounts?

jbauer
09-16-2013, 09:22 AM
I had quite a few accounts several years ago without a phone number. Seems they just started the phone thing about a year or two ago. Eh, GMX or www.rawfoods.com email is better anyway.

They've used it for password lockouts. I know they've texted me a code to get back in. Not sure if they actually asked for it on the onset or not though.

As for terrorist using it. Free market capitalism should lead you to figure that out. Its about the easiest one to use with the most features for a FREE email. Terrorist aren't dummies

MRK
09-16-2013, 10:20 AM
Yeah sure, like mice like mouse traps.

Danke
09-16-2013, 10:42 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGhcECnWRGM

JoshLowry
09-16-2013, 12:04 PM
The former director of the National Security Agency and the CIA speculated on Tuesday that hackers and transparency groups were likely to respond with cyber-terror attacks if the United States government apprehends whistleblower Edward Snowden.

"If and when our government grabs Edward Snowden, and brings him back here to the United States for trial, what does this group do?" said retired air force general Michael Hayden, who from 1999 to 2009 ran the NSA (http://www.theguardian.com/world/nsa) and then the CIA, referring to "nihilists, anarchists, activists, Lulzsec, Anonymous, twentysomethings who haven't talked to the opposite sex in five or six years".
"They may want to come after the US government, but frankly, you know, the dot-mil stuff is about the hardest target in the United States," Hayden said, using a shorthand for US military networks. "So if they can't create great harm to dot-mil, who are they going after? Who for them are the World Trade Centers? The World Trade Centers, as they were for al-Qaida."




Asked what he expected a potential cyber-terrorist attack related to Snowden to look like, Hayden clarified that he was being "entirely speculative, not predictive".
"I'm just trying to illustrate that you've got a group of people out there who make demands, whose demands may not be satisfiable, may not be rational, from other points of view, may not be the kinds of things that government can accommodate," Hayden said.



http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/aug/06/nsa-director-cyber-terrorism-snowden

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130806/12154724080/former-nsa-director-calls-snowdens-supporters-internet-shut-ins-equates-transparency-activists-with-al-qaida-terrorists.shtml


(http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130806/12154724080/former-nsa-director-calls-snowdens-supporters-internet-shut-ins-equates-transparency-activists-with-al-qaida-terrorists.shtml)

DamianTV
09-16-2013, 04:32 PM
Ah yes, the good ol' "Change the Definition of Terrorist to Include EVERYONE" typical tactic of Tyranny. We are all the enemy, even if a person fully supports the actions of the Govt. Next definition change to Terrorist: Do you like Breathing Air?