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Gee
06-25-2007, 02:51 AM
Is this guy anything but a grandstander? He rarely seems to back up anything he says, and just criticizes constantly without ever proposing solutions or alternatives. He constantly talks about how the free market is horrible because of government intervention and corporatism, but then argues for MORE government intervention in the market to regulate the "coercive capital". He never explains how or why capital in itself is coercive.

He really sounds a lot like Marx, all fluff and no substance. Or am I reading and listening to the wrong stuff?

Brandybuck
06-25-2007, 06:15 PM
He really sounds a lot like Marx, all fluff and no substance. Or am I reading and listening to the wrong stuff?
No you're not reading the wrong stuff. Chomsky is confused. He calls himself an anarchist, but he wants to use the power of the state to promote his ideals. As our numerous experiments with Marxist socialism during the past century have shown, the state does NOT wither away of its own accord.

SeanEdwards
06-25-2007, 06:32 PM
Chomsky sounds like a dipshit to me. :confused:

Revolution9
06-25-2007, 07:36 PM
Chomsky says enough to make him sound credible but he is just another left wing gatekeeper with the same agenda as the right wing gatekeeper. That agenda is this as spelled out by the Tavistock Institute..It is called "organized disorder" and "controlled disintegration" of social, political, and economic stability. The techniques of "controlled disorder" were first devised by Tavistockian's Kurt Lewis and British Army General John Rawlings Rees in 1941. (Yes folks, 1941!) Tavistock is where the 777 bus blew up in Britain

"One of the main techniques for breaking morale through a strategy of terror consists in exactly this tactic--keep a person hazy as to where he stands and just what he may expect. In addition, if frequent vacillations between severe disciplinary measures and promises of good treatment together with spreading contradictory news make the cognitive structure of this situation utterly unclear, then the individual may cease to even know a particular plan would lead toward or away from his goal. Under these conditions, even those individuals who have definite goals and are ready to take risks are paralyized by severe inner conflict in regard to what to do."

A person, group or an entire society under "tension and release" conditions in a controlled enviroment has been found to bring about (1) a regressive mental state, (2) a lower state of consciousness, (3) a breakdown of cohesiveness and (4) a shifting sense of identity. With reality clouded by tension induced confusion, choices, usually all bad, can then be pre-rigged to achieve a desired result by the controllers.

Chomsky plays the good cop/relase from tension in this paradigm. His words as a patina take on the air of comfort but a reading into the slickened patina shows an more insidious underpinning that cojoins with the PTB agenda. He offer the "opposing choice" which is more of the same poison he pretends to rail against with the guise mutated by coercion of wording and phraseology.

Best Regards
Randy

Brandybuck
06-25-2007, 07:45 PM
Chomsky says enough to make him sound credible but he is just another left wing gatekeeper with the same agenda as the right wing gatekeeper. That agenda is this as spelled out by the Tavistock Institute..It is called "organized disorder" and "controlled disintegration" of social, political, and economic stability. The techniques of "controlled disorder" were first devised by Tavistockian's Kurt Lewis and British Army General John Rawlings Rees in 1941. (Yes folks, 1941!)
Chomsky is classic Marxist anarchist, which is much earlier than that. There's not much difference in his views than those of Bakunin, the Wobblies, or other late 19th early 20th century anarchists. The far left has been far left for over a century.

joenaab
06-25-2007, 07:45 PM
Randy, ease up on Noam. When compared to 99% of the country, this man does a damn decent job of raising awareness to the nature of U.S. policy. There are many, many dissenting voices today, but he stood almost alone twenty years ago in declaring the U.S. the greatest sponsor of terrorism in the world.

And to the OP, Noam Chomsky has said that he does not hold himself out as someone who brings solutions to the table. He has a role to play and he plays it. Be thankful that he did what he did for all these years so the rest of us could catch up and take our positions within the opposition. Is he perfect? No. Is he welcome at my table? Every day, no questions asked.

Revolution9
06-25-2007, 07:52 PM
Randy, ease up on Noam. When compared to 99% of the country, this man does a damn decent job of raising awareness to the nature of U.S. policy. There are many, many dissenting voices today, but he stood almost alone twenty years ago in declaring the U.S. the greatest sponsor of terrorism in the world.

And to the OP, Noam Chomsky has said that he does not hold himself out as someone who brings solutions to the table. He has a role to play and he plays it. Be thankful that he did what he did for all these years so the rest of us could catch up and take our positions within the opposition. Is he perfect? No. Is he welcome at my table? Every day, no questions asked.

I used to feel similar. I however continued my homework and found that there were certain things he refused to say which places him in that category of 95% truth and 5% poison as far as I am concerned. I would have him at my table and would query him on why he took some stances and did not address others. He may have a cogent answer..

I still feel he is a left wing gatekeeper. I do not like being gatekeeped as their assumption is one of superior intellect.. I have a problem with that stance.

Best Reagrds
Randy

joenaab
06-25-2007, 08:09 PM
I used to feel similar. I however continued my homework and found that there were certain things he refused to say which places him in that category of 95% truth and 5% poison as far as I am concerned. I would have him at my table and would query him on why he took some stances and did not address others. He may have a cogent answer..

I still feel he is a left wing gatekeeper. I do not like being gatekeeped as their assumption is one of superior intellect.. I have a problem with that stance.

Best Reagrds
Randy

Agreed. He might be entirely different in private. I'd certainly give him the chance to explain himself. I am thankful, though, for the contributions he made to my own understanding of the world in the 80's and 90's. In this day and age, I don't like to nitpick people who are 95% on mark.

Broadlighter
06-25-2007, 11:15 PM
Chomsky is one of those "useful idiots" described by Yuri Bezmenov in his interview with G. Edward Griffen about the Demoralization of America on YouTube.

If there ever was a Communist takeover of America, Chomsky would be one of the first to be executed.

IrrigatedPancake
06-26-2007, 03:57 AM
It's always frustrated me that he'd explain a problem to some depth, but hardly ever suggest a solution or point out some fundamental flaw.

tsoldrin
06-26-2007, 10:15 AM
I'm with Randy. Chomsky is a total gatekeeper. In fact, he's THE example of gatekeeping to use when explaining what a gatekeeper is. He's the poster boy.

How much of the potential unrest in America has Chomsky single handedly tied up in useless endeavors?

Mesogen
06-26-2007, 03:22 PM
Noam Chomsky is the biggest idiot that people call a genius that I've ever seen.

Shii
06-26-2007, 06:34 PM
Now, now, children...

Don't just make blanket attacks on Chomsky's character. Talk about specific problems you have. What do you think of this essay, for example?

http://www.chomsky.info/talks/20060119.htm

Yes, he's an anarchist and that doesn't make sense to me, but that's not the same as "idiot".

BillyBeer
06-26-2007, 07:55 PM
Chomsky is nuts plain and simple. I have no idea what he wants to do to change anything. At least a guy like Kucinich flat out says he wants European democratic socialism.

Revolution9
06-27-2007, 05:32 AM
Now, now, children...

Don't just make blanket attacks on Chomsky's character. Talk about specific problems you have. What do you think of this essay, for example?

http://www.chomsky.info/talks/20060119.htm

Yes, he's an anarchist and that doesn't make sense to me, but that's not the same as "idiot".

I skimmed it as it was just a recompilation of other source data. He writes good 101 materials but if you are looking for real substance you have to go elsewhere. He points a finger real well and then admires the finger, the polish of the nail and the curve of its edge.. He is a fine linguist.

Best Regards
Randy

STA654
07-08-2007, 07:12 PM
Noam Chomsky is the biggest idiot that people call a genius that I've ever seen.

OHhplease, Chomsky isn't an idiot, look at his contributions to the field of linguistics, that alone shows that he has a great deal of brain power.

If you disagree with his political views point it out and explain it in a respectful manner, don't just label someone you disagree with a dolt.

Jared
07-08-2007, 07:21 PM
I like Chomsky. I'm reading one of his books, Hegemony or Survival, right now and he has some good ideas... for a leftist.

SeanEdwards
07-08-2007, 07:41 PM
Chomsky is a doodoo head. :D

retrorepublican
07-08-2007, 07:53 PM
Randy, ease up on Noam. When compared to 99% of the country, this man does a damn decent job of raising awareness to the nature of U.S. policy. There are many, many dissenting voices today, but he stood almost alone twenty years ago in declaring the U.S. the greatest sponsor of terrorism in the world.

And to the OP, Noam Chomsky has said that he does not hold himself out as someone who brings solutions to the table. He has a role to play and he plays it. Be thankful that he did what he did for all these years so the rest of us could catch up and take our positions within the opposition. Is he perfect? No. Is he welcome at my table? Every day, no questions asked.

Noam Chomsky is a huge ideological enemy of Ron Paul and a huge supporter of strengthening the State. Since strengthening the State relies on the initiation of force, I consider him an inherently evil man. Yes, I said evil.

Etta Place
07-08-2007, 08:01 PM
I like Chomsky. I'm reading one of his books, Hegemony or Survival, right now and he has some good ideas... for a leftist.

I agree and think that everyone should keep an open mind and refrain from childish name-calling or character assasination.

STA654
07-08-2007, 08:11 PM
Noam Chomsky is a huge ideological enemy of Ron Paul and a huge supporter of strengthening the State. Since strengthening the State relies on the initiation of force, I consider him an inherently evil man. Yes, I said evil.
Chomsky and Ron Paul would agree that interventionism is wrong.

It economics they would disagree on, as Paul is from the Austrian school of economics, a strong believer in the free market, which Chomsky declares a failure, citing the Great Depression as evidence.

Etta Place
07-08-2007, 08:17 PM
Chomsky and Ron Paul would agree that interventionism is wrong.

It economics they would disagree on, as Paul is from the Austrian school of economics, a strong believer in the free market, which Chomsky declares a failure, citing the Great Depression as evidence.


Thank you.

Gee
07-08-2007, 09:58 PM
It economics they would disagree on, as Paul is from the Austrian school of economics, a strong believer in the free market, which Chomsky declares a failure, citing the Great Depression as evidence.
Yikes, he cites the Great Depression as evidence? I didn't think any intellectual has blamed that on capitalism since The Monetary History of the United States was published.

Austrian_Scholar
07-09-2007, 12:01 AM
Meh... what your seeing is the latest fashion of the new left. 'Anarcho-socialism' which Noam Chomskey professes to be a proponent of simply puts Stalin closer to home. You have a decentralized form of communism with local areas operating their own commune. Obviously, someone would need to allocate resources in each commune becoming their own 'benevolent dictator'.

Rabbit
07-09-2007, 03:20 AM
"One of the main techniques for breaking morale through a strategy of terror consists in exactly this tactic--keep a person hazy as to where he stands and just what he may expect. In addition, if frequent vacillations between severe disciplinary measures and promises of good treatment together with spreading contradictory news make the cognitive structure of this situation utterly unclear, then the individual may cease to even know a particular plan would lead toward or away from his goal. Under these conditions, even those individuals who have definite goals and are ready to take risks are paralyized (sic) by severe inner conflict in regard to what to do."

Wow, this is totally what I've been thinking about Alex Jones for the last year or so.. Nice post, I have something new to research :)