Northern California County Board Votes For Secession From State

[green73]

YREKA (CBS/AP) — A far Northern California county where residents have complained they lack representation at the state capitol wants to separate from California.

The Record Searchlight of Redding reports that the Siskiyou County Board of Supervisors voted 4-1 on Tuesday in favor of a declaration for secession.

According to the newspaper, residents of the majority Republican county lobbied the board in August to consider secession. In addition to a lack of representation in Sacramento, they cited concerns about water rights and a rural fire prevention fee approved by the legislature.

Supporters want other rural counties in Northern California and Southern Oregon to join them in the creation of a new state.

But splitting from California would not be easy. Siskiyou County would have to gain the approval of the state legislature and U.S. Congress.

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2013/09/04/northern-california-county-board-votes-for-secession-from-state/

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

lol need approval from the state to secede from the state, good luck with that
silly people think they're people. they're just tax crops

[tod evans]

Could be a pretty and free state if they succeed..


Pipe-dream I'm afraid..

[shane77m]

Good to see. Maybe more will start thinking about secession.

[phill4paul]

lol need approval from the state to secede from the state, good luck with that
silly people think they're people. they're just tax crops

Just waiting for them to use "Round-Up" on this here weed. :p

[helmuth_hubener]

So, I love all this secession sweeping the nation! It's very encouraging. I do think that we should try to get a hold of some local government somewhere and institute some of Hans Hoppe's suggested initial reforms:

1) No one but net tax payers can vote. No government employee can vote, no politician, no one on welfare. All these people are paid out of government funds. they have a vested interest in taxes going up and up and up. They have no business voting. I think this platform could go over well in many places. "Only Taxpayers Vote!" It's a catchy slogan, easy to understand.

2) Devolve all gov't operations -- schools, roads, parks, fire protection, police, courts, golf courses, theaters -- into private corporations, with shares given to the taxpayers, after all they were the ones who paid for it all. These shares would be fully tradable, etc., that is, they would be normal corporations with no special monopolies nor privileges.

3) Peacefully and politely refuse to help the higher levels of the gov't enforce their stuff in any way. Say OK, that's your rule, you enforce it. We're not going to do it for you. We have to be accountable to our constituents.

At that point, you would have a free city. Or free county.

[oyarde]

Good for them , now , good luck with that fine state legislature, probably need to start with the pitch forks , lol

[TruckinMike]

The very fact that they seek approval tells me that they are not serious. If they were serious about secession they would just do it. Have the sheriff organize a militia and be done with California. Their acceptance of the state of California being superior is the problem. Does Texas bow to New Mexico, does Arizona bow to California? Why should "Siskiyou County" bow to California?

[Ender]

Northern Cali & S Oregon have been trying to form the Jefferson State for quite a few years.

[Smart3]

Northern Cali & S Oregon have been trying to form the Jefferson State for quite a few years.

The capital of the county is also the capital of the proposed state of Jefferson.

[helmuth_hubener]

The very fact that they seek approval tells me that they are not serious. If they were serious about secession they would just do it. Have the sheriff organize a militia and be done with California. Their acceptance of the state of California being superior is the problem. Does Texas bow to New Mexico, does Arizona bow to California? Why should "Siskiyou County" bow to California? You have a good point. But at least officially passing a resolution in favor of secession is something! A good something!

I agree that seeking "de facto" secession will be much easier than "de jure" and is the better way to go. "We love you Arnold, we love you Obama, our county budget just can't afford to enforce your regulations any more. We are so sorry! All the best, though!"

[ravedown]

seriously, i for one would retire here if they were somehow successful in their attempt to secede. new hampshire is too far away and too damn cold. n. california is gdamn beautiful with plenty of amazing natural resources. it's a pipe dream for sure...my only hope is the state fucks things up to a level that people finally get together and dump the gov.

[Keith and stuff]

lol need approval from the state to secede from the state, good luck with that...
Yup. Approval from CA, OR and DC. It is technically possible. Or from just CA and DC if it is trying to create a new state. Neither is likely but the new state idea might not even be within the realm of possibilities.

[Czolgosz]

lol at asking to be free.

[Keith and stuff]

seriously, i for one would retire here if they were somehow successful in their attempt to secede. new hampshire is too far away and too damn cold. n. california is gdamn beautiful with plenty of amazing natural resources. it's a pipe dream for sure...my only hope is the state fucks things up to a level that people finally get together and dump the gov.

New Hampshire isn't as cold as you think. Did you know that New Hampshire is warmer than much of CT, IN, IL, MA, NE, OH and PA?
Here is a direct comparison between Yreka, CA (in this county) and Salem, NH.
http://www.weather.com/weather/wxclimatology/compare/USNH0119?sfld1=Yreka,%20CA&sfld2=Salem,%20NH&clocid1=&clocid2=USNH0199

Learn more about how NH isn't as cold as you think. http://nhfreedom.wordpress.com/2013/03/03/putting-new-hampshires-weather-into-perspective/

Plus, let's not forget that people living in NH are allowed to leave the state for something like a vacation, if they want.

[nobody's_hero]

North Cali is probably tired of all those environmental zealots living in smoggy LA trying to make the rest of the state a national park without any human habitation whatsoever.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhcUjyWWr8A

[James Madison]

I support any measure that leads to the bankrupting of California.

[cjm]

So wait, their secession resolution said nothing about slavery?

[jllundqu]

I support it also, but has no teeth. I would love to retire in Jefferson State.

[Uriah]

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2013/09/04/northern-california-county-board-votes-for-secession-from-state/


State of Jefferson anyone?

[Uriah]

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/northern-california-county-votes-to-secede-form-new-state-called-jefferson/

[anaconda]

http://media.redding.com/media/img/photos/2012/02/25/322421_t607.JPG

[jllundqu]

I would love it, but they are asking for permission from the state to secede from the state.... unfortunately this will go nowhere. They aren't serious. It does bring up good discussions about unchecked power centralized in state capitols, but that's all.

[Brian4Liberty]

Good for them. California needs to be broken up into smaller States.

[Deborah K]

This was tried by 8 counties in SoCal not long ago. Nothing came of it, but it's the beginning of something, and that usually means it may spark some real change. God knows we need it in Cali, we're rapidly going down the tubes here.

[DFF]

"Only Taxpayers Vote!"

Nice. And I would also say as a voting stipulation, that only persons who have a basic understanding of US history, and politics, can vote.

[Occam's Banana]

I would love it, but they are asking for permission from the state to secede from the state.... unfortunately this will go nowhere. They aren't serious. It does bring up good discussions about unchecked power centralized in state capitols, but that's all.

A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. A single step doesn't get you anywhere - but enough "single steps" eventually will.
Whether this particular effort succeeds in its overt objective is irrelevant. What's important is that attempts such as this are made at all.
"Asking for permission" is antecedent to "just doing it" ... "just doing it" isn't going to happen without the groundwork that goes along with "asking for permission" ...

[Keith and stuff]

"Only Taxpayers Vote!"

A slogan like that sounds like something Romney would say. People would (are perhaps rightly so) call people that push for it elitists. Hopefully the GOP learned it's less and will stop using language like that after it was so disastrous for Romney.

Property tax (or via rent if you will), sales taxes, tobacco tax, beer tax, wine tax, liquor tax, import tax, luxury tax, estate tax, death tax, inventory tax, personal property tax, camping tax, hotel tax, service tax, telecommunication taxes, gambling tax, state income tax, gas tax, diesel tax, mineral tax, natural gas tax, car tax, utility tax, federal income tax, county income tax, social security tax, city income tax, district tax...

My point is that how do you find if someone is a net taxpayer or not? I guess everything everyone ever buys would have to be included in a database along with everything someone ever make. The math would need to be done at the expense of the government. There goes any pretend privacy left.

[anaconda]

My lovely photo of Mt. Shasta vanished in the thread merging. :(

[Keith and stuff]

http://media.redding.com/media/img/photos/2012/02/25/322421_t607.JPG

Was this your photo?

[anaconda]

It would arguably be one of the most scenic and beautiful states, depending on your preferences.

http://rvmba.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Mt.-Shasta.jpg

[Origanalist]

You have a good point. But at least officially passing a resolution in favor of secession is something! A good something!

I agree that seeking "de facto" secession will be much easier than "de jure" and is the better way to go. "We love you Arnold, we love you Obama, our county budget just can't afford to enforce your regulations any more. We are so sorry! All the best, though!"

Absolutely, you have to start somewhere. I want to see the movement succeed in my State.

[Origanalist]

New Hampshire isn't as cold as you think. Did you know that New Hampshire is warmer than much of CT, IN, IL, MA, NE, OH and PA?
Here is a direct comparison between Yreka, CA (in this county) and Salem, NH.
http://www.weather.com/weather/wxclimatology/compare/USNH0119?sfld1=Yreka,%20CA&sfld2=Salem,%20NH&clocid1=&clocid2=USNH0199

Learn more about how NH isn't as cold as you think. http://nhfreedom.wordpress.com/2013/03/03/putting-new-hampshires-weather-into-perspective/

Plus, let's not forget that people living in NH are allowed to leave the state for something like a vacation, if they want.

Yreka is way up Mt. Shasta.

[Uriah]

Reminds me of the seccessionist movements in Europe: Catalonia, Scotland, and Venice among others.

[Smart3]

Reminds me of the seccessionist movements in Europe: Catalonia, Scotland, and Venice among others.
The difference being those were previously separate countries. They also are far more likely to succeed (secede lol)

[Keith and stuff]

Yreka is way up Mt. Shasta.
It is the largest city in the county. It is the county seat. It is in Shasta Valley.

[Origanalist]

It is the largest city in the county. It is the county seat. It is in Shasta Valley.

Yes.
Yreca elevation 2,582 ft.
Salem, NH. elevation 131 feet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siskiyou_Mountains

[tangent4ronpaul]

Rural NY has been wanting to secede from NYC for a long time...

NYC would collapse if it didn't rape the rest of the state for tax revenue.

(that would be a GOOD thing!)

-t

[helmuth_hubener]

A slogan like that sounds like something Romney would say. People would (and perhaps rightly so) call people that push for it elitists. I didn't say it would work everywhere. But it would work in many places. Many people heartily agree with the sentiment. Romney's polling did not go to 0% after he said the things he said.



My point is that how do you find if someone is a net taxpayer or not? In theory, if you're trying to be absolutely perfect, it could be very difficult.

In practice, it would be simplicity itself. You simply look at the government payroll. The government can easily make a list of all government employees in the area. Then they can make a list of everyone to whom they are paying a pension. Then they can make a list of everyone who is on welfare. You combine those three lists into one and give it to the little old lady poll workers, with the instructions: none of these people can vote. That's it!

So yes, the person on welfare pays cigarette tax. And the normal working person receives benefits like their library card, or farm subsidies. But the system doesn't have to be perfect. It just has to stop the teachers' unions and city employees from voting. These groups are by far the biggest voting blocks in many off-time special elections. They will turn out, and so that makes it impossible to stop special tax and borrowing referenda for schools, convention centers, and various boondoggles. Absolutely impossible. Every single human being in the area can be against increasing school spending except the teachers' union and it will still pass because everyone else has to work while the teachers will all get time off and every single one will vote at least once. This is an impossible situation for liberty. You put an end to this situation, and then, by and large, the people with an incentive to have taxes and spending go down are the only ones who can vote. That means taxes and spending will inevitably go down. "By and large" is good enough. It doesn't have to be hermetically perfect. If some few tax-sucking farmers or other random gov't beneficiaries get to vote, oh well.

[Southron]

It's good that people are talking about it but you know it's not serious until militias are organized.

[klamath]

It would arguably be one of the most scenic and beautiful states, depending on your preferences.

http://rvmba.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Mt.-Shasta.jpg
It is why I still live in REAL northern California. It pretty well can't be beat in that aspect.

[tod evans]

It is why I still live in REAL northern California. It pretty well can't be beat in that aspect.

Mid-'70's I lived on a commune in the middle of the Siuslaw Nat. Forest, back then it was just beautiful!

[helmuth_hubener]

It's good that people are talking about it but you know it's not serious until militias are organized. Violence is not the answer. In fact, violence is the problem. And the State will out-compete you at it.

[klamath]

Some links of photos of the Siskiyou county area for people to see for themselves and not the opinion of someone that lives 3000 miles from the area....
https://www.google.com/search?q=siskiyou+county&bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.51773540,d.cGE,pv.xjs.s.en_US.a4Cglxu1uYM.O&biw=1152&bih=626&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=jqQoUrrNKaSujALg6IHABA
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&authuser=0&q=marble+mountains&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=ni&ei=SZwoUpKnIqi2igKYwICYBQ&biw=1152&bih=626&sei=WZwoUsKtHYTvigL374DYBQ#authuser=0&gl=us&hl=en&q=marble+mountains+california&tbm=isch&um=1&imgdii=_

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&authuser=0&q=marble+mountains&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=ni&ei=SZwoUpKnIqi2igKYwICYBQ&biw=1152&bih=626&sei=WZwoUsKtHYTvigL374DYBQ#authuser=0&gl=us&hl=en&q=klamath+river&tbm=isch&um=1&facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=kN155FhoYK_Q_M%3A%3B8rHLnWyPcMokaM%3Bhttp%25 3A%252F%252Ffarm3.staticflickr.com%252F2079%252F15 34867049_b67ced5e6e_z.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww .flickr.com%252Fphotos%252Fcwsteeds%252F1534867049 %252F%3B640%3B426
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&authuser=0&q=tule+lake+california&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=li&biw=1152&bih=626&sei=z6AoUujkMImRiQLhlIDgAg#authuser=0&gl=us&hl=en&q=castle+craigs+california&tbm=isch&imgdii=_

[Uriah]

I've been in the area. From Klamath Falls to the Ashland/ Medford area in Oregon. And Cresent City and the Eureka and Arcata CA area. It's possibly the most beautiful area I've been to in the continental US.

[tod evans]

Violence is not the answer. In fact, violence is the problem. And the State will out-compete you at it.

Catch 22, without the capability to defend yourself against "the state" you won't be taken seriously either...

[KingNothing]

Rural NY has been wanting to secede from NYC for a long time...

NYC would collapse if it didn't rape the rest of the state for tax revenue.

(that would be a GOOD thing!)

-t


I don't advocate forcing folks to finance the lifestyles of others, but NYC -in spite of the Nanny mayor- is a lovely city with so, so much to offer. I've enjoyed every minute that I've spent there.

[KingNothing]

Violence is not the answer. In fact, violence is the problem. And the State will out-compete you at it.

I wonder if it would even take violence. If the entire county decided that it was not going to "participate" in California anymore, would ANYONE stop them? Would anyone be willing to throw an entire county in jail for not paying state taxes or enforcing state regulations? It would be a PR nightmare.

[Snew]

Gorgeous region, and Yreka itself isn't a bad little town. Great architecture in that area of California. Climate is nice, too; the Summertime average highs are a bit hot for me but the temperature absolutely plummets (to ~50F) at nighttime.

[green73]

Catch 22, without the capability to defend yourself against "the state" you won't be taken seriously either...

Ending Tyranny Without Violence
http://www.lewrockwell.com/1970/01/murray-n-rothbard/overthrowing-the-state/

[Czolgosz]

Being free w/o violence?


http://www.7thgenhonda.com/forum/images/smilies/smiley-rofl.gif

[klamath]

fixed it for you...
Being free with violence?


http://www.7thgenhonda.com/forum/images/smilies/smiley-rofl.gif

[Czolgosz]

fixed it for you...

http://www.7thgenhonda.com/forum/images/smilies/smiley-rofl.gif

[jllundqu]

A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. A single step doesn't get you anywhere - but enough "single steps" eventually will.
Whether this particular effort succeeds in its overt objective is irrelevant. What's important is that attempts such as this are made at all.
"Asking for permission" is antecedent to "just doing it" ... "just doing it" isn't going to happen without the groundwork that goes along with "asking for permission" ...

Very true. Between this and Northern Colorado, the nullification movement, a possible convention to propose amendments to the Constitution, and a few other pots brewing, you may be right.

[tod evans]

Ending Tyranny Without Violence
http://www.lewrockwell.com/1970/01/murray-n-rothbard/overthrowing-the-state/

Could I please have a synopsis?

I don't have time to read an entire essay..:o