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randomname
09-01-2013, 08:45 AM
It’s a Myth That Entrepreneurs Drive New Technology
For real innovation, thank the state.

By Mariana Mazzucato|Posted Sunday, Sept. 1, 2013, at 5:00 AM

Images of tech entrepreneurs such as Mark Zuckerberg and Steve Jobs are continually thrown at us by politicians, economists, and the media. The message is that innovation is best left in the hands of these individuals and the wider private sector, and that the state—bureaucratic and sluggish—should keep out. A telling 2012 article in the Economist claimed that, to be innovative, governments must "stick to the basics" such as spending on infrastructure, education, and skills, leaving the rest to the revolutionary garage tinkerers.

Yet it is ideology, not evidence, that fuels this image. A quick look at the pioneering technologies of the past century points to the state, not the private sector, as the most decisive player in the game.

Whether an innovation will be a success is uncertain, and it can take longer than traditional banks or venture capitalists are willing to wait. In countries such as the United States, China, Singapore, and Denmark, the state has provided the kind of patient and long-term finance new technologies need to get off the ground. Investments of this kind have often been driven by big missions, from putting a human on the moon to solving climate change. This has required not only funding basic research—the typical "public good" that most economists admit needs state help—but applied research and seed funding too.

Apple is a perfect example. In its early stages, the company received government cash support via a $500,000 small-business investment company grant. And every technology that makes the iPhone a smartphone owes its vision and funding to the state: the Internet, GPS, touch-screen displays, and even the voice-activated smartphone assistant Siri all received state cash. The U.S. Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency bankrolled the Internet, and the CIA and the military funded GPS. So, although the United States is sold to us as the model example of progress through private enterprise, innovation there has benefited from a very interventionist state.

The examples don't just come from the military arena, either. The U.S. National Institutes of Health spends about $30 billion every year on pharmaceutical and biotechnology research and is responsible for 75 percent of the most innovative new drugs annually. Even the algorithm behind Google benefited from U.S. National Science Foundation funding.

Across the world we see state investment banks financing innovation. Green energy is a great example. From Germany's KfW state bank to the Chinese and Brazilian development banks, state-run finance is playing an increasing role in the development of the next big thing: green tech.

In this era of obsession with reducing public debt—and the size of the state more generally—it is vital to dispel the myth that the public sector will be less innovative than the private sector. Otherwise, the state's ability to continue to play its enterprising role will be weakened. Stories about how progress is led by entrepreneurs and venture capitalists have aided lobbyists for the U.S. venture capital industry in negotiating lower capital gains and corporate income taxes—hurting the ability of the state to refill its innovation fund.

The fact that companies like Apple and Google pay hardly any tax—relative to their massive profits—is all the more problematic, given the significant contributions they have had from the government. Thus, the "real" economy (made up of goods and services) has experienced a shift similar to that of the "financial" economy: The risk has been increasingly moved to the public sector while the private sector keeps the rewards. Indeed, one of the most perverse trends in recent years is that while the state has increased its funding of R&D and innovation, the private sector is apparently de-committing itself. In the name of "open innovation," big pharma is closing down its R&D labs, relying more on small biotech companies and public funds to do the hard stuff. Is this a symbiotic public-private partnership or a parasitic one?

It is time for the state to get something back for its investments. How? First, this requires an admission that the state does more than just fix market failures—the usual way economists justify state spending. The state has shaped and created markets and, in doing so, taken on great risks. Second, we must ask where the reward is for such risk-taking and admit that it is no longer coming from the tax systems. Third, we must think creatively about how that reward can come back.

There are many ways for this to happen. The repayment of some loans for students depends on income, so why not do this for companies? When Google's future owners received a grant from the NSF, the contract should have said: If and when the beneficiaries of the grant make $X billion, a contribution will be made back to the NSF.

Other ways include giving the state bank or agency that invested a stake in the company. A good example is Finland, where the government-backed innovation fund SITRA retained equity when it invested in Nokia. There is also the possibility of keeping a share of the intellectual property rights, which are almost totally given away in the current system.

Recognizing the state as a lead risk-taker, and enabling it to reap a reward, will not only make the innovation system stronger, it will also spread the profits of growth more fairly. This will ensure that education, health, and transportation can benefit from state investments in innovation, instead of just the small number of people who see themselves as wealth creators, while relying increasingly on the courageous, entrepreneurial state.

Mariana Mazzucato is an economist and professor of science and technology policy at the University of Sussex, England. Her latest book is The Entrepreneurial State: Debunking Public vs. Private Sector Myths. She tweets at @MazzucatoM.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/new_scientist/2013/09/entrepreneurs_or_the_state_innovation_comes_from_p ublic_investment.html

tod evans
09-01-2013, 08:46 AM
Glad she straightened that out for me:rolleyes:

randomname
09-01-2013, 08:48 AM
she wants the state to have equity in big corporations, but arent pretty much ALL big corporations in bed with the state already?

tod evans
09-01-2013, 08:54 AM
Don't cut that tax check and see how much "equity" government actually does have..

"In-bed" is way to broad of an assertion.

Between state and federal regulations any business is subject to state intervention and every sane/industrious corporate leader will milk or skirt their involvement for financial gain...

TNforPaul45
09-01-2013, 09:04 AM
Apple is a perfect example. In its early stages, the company received government cash support via a $500,000 small-business investment company grant.

I have read like 7 books on Apple and Steve Jobs history, and I have NEVER seen this mentioned one time. Mike Markkula provided an initial $250K Venture Capital funding to Apple after visiting them in their garage. Notice how this author does not provide proof of this claim, either >:{

Here's what the article is really about:

The fact that companies like Apple and Google pay hardly any tax—relative to their massive profits—is all the more problematic, given the significant contributions they have had from the government.

Don't believe me?

It is time for the state to get something back for its investments.


Recognizing the state as a lead risk-taker, and enabling it to reap a reward, will not only make the innovation system stronger, it will also spread the profits of growth more fairly. This will ensure that education, health, and transportation can benefit from state investments in innovation, instead of just the small number of people who see themselves as wealth creators, while relying increasingly on the courageous, entrepreneurial state.

Doesn't the state benefit from all the taxes on the revenue, sales, and job creation that is spurred by successful corporate innovations?

I'm just about ready to pull all my hair out these days. Its like soon these progressive websites will feature a person drooling and staring off blankly into space, and the headline will be "Grunt Grunt, ugh ugh, You no smart? We smart!"

VIDEODROME
09-01-2013, 11:41 AM
If the government still ran the internet I would be checking my email on Telnet.

aGameOfThrones
09-01-2013, 11:42 AM
Where does the state get "its money" from to "invest" in those companies?

MelissaWV
09-01-2013, 11:44 AM
The title is fairly accurate, but not for the reasons the author thinks.

If the State would stop stepping on the hose, there'd be a lot more innovation. Innovation happens when the State allows it, the State stops taxing the person with the good idea into oblivion, when the State does not criminalize your invention, when the State doesn't subsidize your competition, and when the State doesn't steal your idea and put it into production first.

thoughtomator
09-01-2013, 11:45 AM
she wants the state to have equity in big corporations, but arent pretty much ALL big corporations in bed with the state already?

The State actually owns much of the stock market quite directly through its massive retirement schemes. If you look up a list of what the state actually owns it will blow your mind and help you to understand the true depth to which Fascism as insinuated itself in the United States.

Cleaner44
09-01-2013, 12:10 PM
Statists gonna state.

The state has brought us the most innovative ways to kill people for sure. They have developed ways to separate limbs from torsos from thousands of feet in the air using unmanned drones. They have created tasers that can kill a person just for being annoying and it is not nearly as loud as the old fashioned pistol. The state has even come up with a way to fry millions of humans to a crisp with one bomb, the ultimate in efficiency! The Neutron bomb is an incredible innovation that kills maximum humans while minimizing damage to inanimate infrastructure. Hell the state has even created devices which will make a persons ears bleed and others that will make you shit your pants. Do you think private sector entrepreneurs could or would ever develop these innovations on their own?

Anti Federalist
09-01-2013, 05:38 PM
And every technology that makes the iPhone a smartphone owes its vision and funding to the state: the Internet, GPS, touch-screen displays, and even the voice-activated smartphone assistant Siri all received state cash. The U.S. Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency bankrolled the Internet, and the CIA and the military funded GPS. So, although the United States is sold to us as the model example of progress through private enterprise, innovation there has benefited from a very interventionist state.

So now I can really hate these infernal gadgets.

Thanks, unknown Soviet media shill.

Occam's Banana
01-19-2024, 06:40 PM
It’s a Myth That Entrepreneurs Drive New Technology
For real innovation, thank the state.
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/new_scientist/2013/09/entrepreneurs_or_the_state_innovation_comes_from_p ublic_investment.html
By Mariana Mazzucato | Posted Sunday, Sept. 1, 2013, at 5:00 AM

[...]

Same clown ...


... from the "Mr. Milei goes to Davos" thread:


LOL

Cry harder.

https://twitter.com/MazzucatoM/status/1748461266056683822
https://i.imgur.com/MvaEm6h.png

... from the "Climate Hysteria Propaganda" thread:


"The white pill is in realizing that they are in fact sending their best." -- Michael Malice

"To be black-pilled is to regard these buffoons as unstoppable foes." -- Michael Malice

Muh vaccines:

"We are all only as healthy as our neighbor is, and our street, and our city, and our region, and our nation, and globally - [but] did we actually manage to vaccinate everyone in the world? No." -- Mariana Mazzucato, WEF clown


Muh climate change:

"Climate change is a bit abstract. Some people understand it really well, some understand it a bit, some just don't understand it." -- Mariana Mazzucato, WEF clown


Muh water:

https://twitter.com/wideawake_media/status/1708082741370139037

World Economic Forum "agenda contributor", Mariana Mazzucato: Our attempt to vaccinate the entire planet failed, "climate change" is "too abstract" for people to understand, but the coming water crisis is something that everyone will get on board with.

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