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vita3
09-01-2013, 08:08 AM
needs to be injected into every Syrian chemical war debate.

Vietnam lessons are forgoten, & way too many of our own were killed or messed up from our GOV use of this chemical.

(Let alone all the Vientamese we took off the planet)

tod evans
09-01-2013, 08:12 AM
Nam is not forgotten!

I worked at NRMC-GLAKES in the late 70's and the horrors are burnt into what's left of my brain...

pcosmar
09-01-2013, 09:33 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_Orange

The campaign destroyed 5 million acres (20,000 km2) of upland and mangrove forests and millions of acres of crops. Overall, more than 20% of South Vietnam's forests were sprayed at least once over a nine-year period.[9][53]

In 1965, members of the U.S. Congress were told "crop destruction is understood to be the more important purpose ... but the emphasis is usually given to the jungle defoliation in public mention of the program."[53] Soldiers were told they were destroying crops because they were going to be used to feed guerrillas. They later discovered nearly all of the food they had been destroying was not being produced for guerrillas; it was, in reality, only being grown to support the local civilian population. For example, in Quang Ngai province, 85% of the crop lands were scheduled to be destroyed in 1970 alone. Widespread famine occurred as a result, leaving hundreds of thousands of people malnourished or starving.[54]

The U.S. military began targeting food crops in October 1962, primarily using Agent Blue; the American public was not made aware of the crop destruction programs until 1965 (and it was then believed that crop spraying had begun that spring). In 1965, 42 percent of all herbicide spraying was dedicated to food crops. The first official acknowledgement of the programs came from the State Department in March 1966.[9][48]

Many experts at the time, including Arthur Galston, the biologist who developed and intensively studied 2,4,5-T and TCDD, opposed herbicidal warfare, due to concerns about the side effects to humans and the environment by indiscriminately spraying the chemical over a wide area. As early as 1966, resolutions were introduced to the United Nations charging that the U.S. was violating the 1925 Geneva Protocol, which regulated the use of chemical and biological weapons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_Herbicides

Herbicidal warfare is a form of chemical warfare, in which the objective is destroying the plant-based ecosystem of an agricultural food production and/or destroying foliage which provides the enemy cover.

No Bullshit Chem Trails.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/%27Ranch_Hand%27_run.jpg/800px-%27Ranch_Hand%27_run.jpg

kcchiefs6465
09-01-2013, 10:31 AM
Plan Colombia.

Halabja.

malkusm
09-01-2013, 10:43 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mSmOcmk7uQ

Cap
09-01-2013, 10:49 AM
A great point is made. People from my generation remember this vividly and yet how soon they forget.

presence
09-01-2013, 11:03 AM
AGENT ORANGE




WHITE PHOSPHORUS
CS GAS
TEAR GAS
DEPLETED URANIUM
NAPALM
1951 PLAGUE AGENTS
1977 OPEN AIR BIOLOGICAL TESTING
1966 BACILLUS SUBTILLIS
1965 BACILLUS GLOBIGII
1961 LSD MK-ULTRA
1965 AGENT ORANGE PANAMA
2,4-D
2,4,5-T
DM GAS SOUTH VIETNAM
1991 TAILWIND OP
1962 CUBAN TURKEY VIRUS
ANTHRAX ECOLI AND BOTULISM EXPORTS TO IRAQ
GULF WAR VACCINE SYNDROME


http://revcom.us/a/v23/1120-29/1126/biowar.htm

Cap
09-01-2013, 11:06 AM
'Murika

kcchiefs6465
09-01-2013, 11:40 AM
Plan Colombia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_Colombia#Fumigation_strategy_and_criticisms) (Spraying glyphosate to defoiliate Colombia and kill coca plants. Poisoned the locals)

Halabja (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja) (Iraq use of chemical and biological weapons against the Kurds. The weapons were supplied to Saddam Hussein from the US in a deal helped secured by Donald Rumsfield)

Operation Tailwind (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Tailwind) (the use of Sarin against Laotians)

Not to mention use in the Bahamas, (Joint US-Canada-Britain operation testing chemical and biological) Cuba, (an agricultural scientist paid to infect turkeys hopefully with the result of the Newcastle disease. Some 8,000 turkeys died. Weather modification programs- planes flying into the clouds and spraying chemicals. The poisoning of sugar bags.... and many more) Canada, (Testing effects of zinc cadmium sulfide in Winnipeg) China, (dropped feathers, fish heads, infected insects and other weird shit in the early '50s) Korea, (Agent Orange in the demilitarized zone between North and South Korea as well as some 70,000 gallons of napalm during the Korean War) and Panama (testing for VX, Sarin, Agent Orange, and a host of other wicked shit. (chemical mines, rockets, and bombs) Early tests used unwitting military men as guinea pigs. Some of the ordinances were found undetonated.)

That's all shocking but somewhat expected. So the US poisoned people from around the world for the better part of the 20th Century, so what?

Well, it should probably be noted that they've been poisoning American citizens as well. And I'm not simply referring to the military soldiers used as guinea pigs in Project DORK (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-Quinuclidinyl_benzilate#Military_use)and Operation Whitecoat. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Whitecoat)

In 1950 the Army dropped contaminated turkey feathers in the Watertown, N.Y. area. The reason? To see if a cereal rust epidemic could be used as a biological weapon.

In 1950, in the San Fran Bay Area Bacillus globigii and Serratia marcescens were aerosolized from a ship. The reason? To study how biological weapons could affect a port. Eleven people were reported at Stanford University's hospital to have been infected by Serratia marcescens. One died. The disease had previously never been seen at that hospital.

Minneapolis was experimented on in 1953 with zinc cadmium sulfide. Over 60 times it was released over the city.

Zinc cadmium sulfide was also released over St. Louis at the same time period.

The Washington D.C. area (Leesburg and parts of Maryland) was exposed to aerial spraying of zinc cadmium sulfide combined with lycopodium spores at the same period. (1953)

Tampa Bay was exposed to the whooping cough bacteria in 1955. The cases of whooping cough in Florida rose from 339 and one death in 1954, to 1080 and 12 deaths in 1955.

Mosquitos released over Savannah, Georgia. A dangerous experiment used to see if mosquitos could carry a BW agent. 1956-58

A famous case involving New York City subways in which trillions of bacillus subtilis variant niger were released into the system during rush hour. The title of the study? "A Study of the Vulnerability of Subway Passengers in New York City to Covert Attack with Biological Agents" Chicago was part of a similar experiment involving their subway system as well.

They killed a bunch of sheep (6,400) accidently in Utah in 1968 testing open air nerve gases. Blew down wind... who'd have thunk? (kind of reminds me of Khamisiyah. Not as flagrant, though)

And many, many more.

But of course, the world cannot allow the precedent to be set that using chemical weapons or biological weapons will be tolerated. North Korea might get some ideas.

kcchiefs6465
09-01-2013, 11:42 AM
That is forgetting the eternally poisoned areas affected by depleted uranium, white phosphorus and tungsten.

The babies being born cyclops.

I<3Liberty
09-01-2013, 01:51 PM
For awhile, it was used on American farms as an insecticide. Talk about a dumb move, 'Merica. :rolleyes:

Still to this day, Vietnam has one of the highest cancer and birth defect rates. :(

vita3
09-02-2013, 05:53 AM
"No Bullshit Chem Trails."

That's the truth.

donnay
09-02-2013, 06:44 AM
Monsanto strikes again and again and again and again...

SMH :mad:

vita3
09-02-2013, 07:33 AM
Vietnam estimates 400,000 people were killed or maimed, and 500,000 children born with birth defects as a result of its use.[1][2] The Red Cross of Vietnam estimates that up to 1 million people are disabled or have health problems due to Agent Orange.[3] The United States government has dismissed these figures as unreliable and unrealistically high


That's real Chemical Warfare.

I<3Liberty
09-02-2013, 11:17 AM
Vietnam estimates 400,000 people were killed or maimed, and 500,000 children born with birth defects as a result of its use.[1][2] The Red Cross of Vietnam estimates that up to 1 million people are disabled or have health problems due to Agent Orange.[3] The United States government has dismissed these figures as unreliable and unrealistically high


That's real Chemical Warfare.

...and those statistics don't include the number of miscarriages caused by agent orange-inflicted birth defects incompatible with life. Since traces of the dioxins are still present and difficult if not impossible to remove, the numbers will continue to climb. :(


Monsanto strikes again and again and again and again...

SMH :mad:

It was developed by the U.S. military and supplied by more companies than Monsanto. Diamond Shamrock Corp., Uniroyal Inc., Dow, Hercules Inc., and Thompson Chemical Company, also supplied it.