Steubenville Rape Hacker FIRED from Amazon for Anonymous Affiliation

[presence]

Amazon Fired Steubenville Hacker because he is Anonymous




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A Man has been fired from Amazon.com because of his association with the network of “hacktivists” known as Anonymous, this is the man who who claimed responsibility for the leaks (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/07/deric-lostutter-raid-kyanonymous-steubenville_n_3403000.html) that drew national attention to the Steubenville rape case (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steubenville_High_School_rape_case).


Deric Lostutter told The Huffington Post that he began his job at a new Amazon call center in Winchester, Ky., (http://www.lanereport.com/23459/2013/08/amazon-opens-customer-service-center-in-winchester-with-550-permanent-employees/) earlier this month, but was fired after his supervisors discovered his home had been raided by the FBI in connection with the Steubenville case (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/07/deric-lostutter-raid-kyanonymous-steubenville_n_3403000.html).


“They pulled out a list of online articles and asked for my side of the story, then escorted me off the property stating that


'Even though i haven't been charged,
I could no longer work there
because it made them feel uncomfortable
that I have a political affiliation with anonymous,'”



Lostutter told HuffPost in a text message.



lostutter was told not to come back to work after his first day on job and fired several days later and he also sent a picture of his Amazon insurance card as a verification of employment to HuffPost.


You can read more Coverage directly from HuffPost (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/23/deric-lostutter-amazon_n_3805893.html).



http://hackersnewsbulletin.com/2013/08/amazon-fired-steubenville-hacker-anonymous.html

[VBRonPaulFan]

makes complete sense to me. if I ran a large IT based company, I wouldn't want a serious hacker working in a call center either. he's going to have free time, probably access to lots of sensitive info, etc. they just can't take the risk that he'll do something against the company itself.

[paulbot24]

Oh brother. I mean, oh yeah, Amazon has their clouds to worry about....

[VIDEODROME]

Not sure what to think. Also, I wonder if Anonymous' skills as hackers are exaggeratted.

[paulbot24]

Not sure what to think. Also, I wonder if Anonymous' skills as hackers are exaggeratted.

The Steubenville case had nothing to do with exceptional hacking and everything to do with relentless online pressure put on the authorities until they realized their corruption was laid bare and had no choice but to finally charge the bragging self-proclaimed "rape crew" for their crimes and put principles over pride of their football team. Anonymous uses the internet and technology as their platform. To focus on whether their skills as hackers are exaggerated is similar to evaluating a speaker's speech solely on their delivery while missing their message.

[Kelly.]

im confused,
shouldnt a private company be able to fire anyone they employee for any (or no) reason they choose?

what is the issue here?

[buck000]

im confused,
shouldnt a private company be able to fire anyone they employee for any (or no) reason they choose?

what is the issue here?

+1.

Similarly, Amazon customers who sufficiently care about this issue should make it known to Amazon that perhaps they don't appreciate the fact that this guy was released. If the number of FRNs lost from unhappy customers exceeds the number imperiled by Govt force ;), maybe they'll change their practices...

[angelatc]

This is something to add to your personal knowledge database:


he'd just returned from a turkey hunt when he noticed what appeared to be a FedEx truck in his driveway.

Or for those of you who speak presence,

he'd just returned from


a turkey hunt




when he noticed what appeared

to be a

FedEx

truck in his driveway.

[2young2vote]

This is something to add to your personal knowledge database:



Or for those of you who speak presence,

he'd just returned from


a turkey hunt




when he noticed what appeared

to be a

FedEx

truck in his driveway.

I don't get it.

[VBRonPaulFan]

I don't get it.

You didn't click through the links posted in the article, one of them describes the FBI bust on Lostutter's house. There were ~12 SWAT agents in the back that jumped out as he walked up to the truck to greet the driver.

[dannno]

makes complete sense to me. if I ran a large IT based company, I wouldn't want a serious hacker working in a call center either. he's going to have free time, probably access to lots of sensitive info, etc. they just can't take the risk that he'll do something against the company itself.

That's funny, I would promote him.

[dannno]

im confused,
shouldnt a private company be able to fire anyone they employee for any (or no) reason they choose?

what is the issue here?

The issue is why? What is Amazon afraid of?

[VBRonPaulFan]

That's funny, I would promote him.

you could, that'd be a risk you take as a company. i wouldn't really want to take a chance on a guy who works with an organization that is known for helping with large scale data dumps, i'd be worried about customer info breeches that could literally tear the company down.

i don't doubt he's a smart fella, and probably a good worker, it is just risky and an unknown.

[dannno]

you could, that'd be a risk you take as a company. i wouldn't really want to take a chance on a guy who works with an organization that is known for helping with large scale data dumps, i'd be worried about customer info breeches that could literally tear the company down.

i don't doubt he's a smart fella, and probably a good worker, it is just risky and an unknown.

That doesn't make any sense at all. The only thing that he has demonstrated is that he has the wherewithal and technical abilities that most people don't have. That is a positive thing to have on a work application. Unless you just want a bunch of retarded people working at your company, if that is your goal then I guess you wouldn't want to hire him.

Was he charged and arrested for gathering a bunch of credit cards to steal from people or was his crime attempting to alert authorities about a girl who he believed was assaulted and then socially abused over the incident by the people who allowed to to happen? The answer is that he was attempting to alert authorities to an assault.

So what poor moral character, lack of judgement or sense has this individual demonstrated exactly?

You sound like the mainstream media, dragging whistle blowers through shit creek undeservedly.

[jbauer]

+1.

Similarly, Amazon customers who sufficiently care about this issue should make it known to Amazon that perhaps they don't appreciate the fact that this guy was released. If the number of FRNs lost from unhappy customers exceeds the number imperiled by Govt force ;), maybe they'll change their practices...

Right because you can actually get ahold of someone at Amazon LOL.

Its Amazons right to do so, the kid should have done what his hacker groups name implies and stayed anonymous.

[dannno]

I swear, if Rand Paul hired Karl Rove as his campaign director in 2016 we would have people here saying, "well, it's his right to do so!"

Of course it's his right to do so, that doesn't mean we can't have a discussion about either how stupid or genius the decision may be.

[angelatc]

Right because you can actually get ahold of someone at Amazon LOL.

Its Amazons right to do so, the kid should have done what his hacker groups name implies and stayed anonymous.

If you read the article, he claims he didn't actually hack anything. The photographs were copied from a Facebook page and forwarded to him. He appeared in a video that was put onto the football team's website, but claims he didn't actually hack the site and post it. And another person claims responsibility for that hack.


Step back and put this in perspective. Even if he did this, and I don't think he did, he's facing 10 years for a video that appeared uninvited on a high school football page. No national security breech, no local security danger.

A high school football page warrants the attention of the FBI and 10 years in prison. This is scary stuff.

[specsaregood]

That's funny, I would promote him.

No you wouldn't. People responsible for millions/billions of dollars and data are paranoid for a reason.

[dannno]

No you wouldn't. People responsible for millions/billions of dollars and data are paranoid for a reason.

Right... so you need people who are intelligent to protect that data and will use their intelligence for moral pursuits, such as protecting private customer data. I would interview him for a promotion immediately.

[VBRonPaulFan]

That doesn't make any sense at all. The only thing that he has demonstrated is that he has the wherewithal and technical abilities that most people don't have. That is a positive thing to have on a work application. Unless you just want a bunch of retarded people working at your company, if that is your goal then I guess you wouldn't want to hire him.

Was he charged and arrested for gathering a bunch of credit cards to steal from people or was his crime attempting to alert authorities about a girl who he believed was assaulted and then socially abused over the incident by the people who allowed to to happen? The answer is that he was attempting to alert authorities to an assault.

So what poor moral character, lack of judgement or sense has this individual demonstrated exactly?

You sound like the mainstream media, dragging whistle blowers through shit creek undeservedly.

Amazon is in the job of providing a service at the least possible risk to themselves. The last thing they want to do is to give a hacker group physical access to their hardware or simple access to sensitive data. It doesn't matter if he is of poor moral character or not, keeping him around is a risk. You can keep lying to yourself and telling yourself that is isn't, but in their eyes they could potentially be one shitty management decision away from pissing that guy off and having him burning the company. Another thing to think about is that if the FBI raided his house, they don't want that possibility coming to THEIR property as well.

Throw around ad hominems all you want, you're the person being unreasonable.

[The Free Hornet]

im confused,
shouldnt a private company be able to fire anyone they employee for any (or no) reason they choose?

what is the issue here?

im confused even more so,
shouldnt a private individual be able to criticize anyone anywhere - EVEN A CORPORATION!!! :eek: - for any (or no) reason whatsoever?

what is the issue here?

[Czolgosz]

A "hacker" working in a call center? lawl

[dannno]

Amazon is in the job of providing a service at the least possible risk to themselves. The last thing they want to do is to give a hacker group physical access to their hardware or simple access to sensitive data. It doesn't matter if he is of poor moral character or not, keeping him around is a risk. You can keep lying to yourself and telling yourself that is isn't, but in their eyes they could potentially be one shitty management decision away from pissing that guy off and having him burning the company. Another thing to think about is that if the FBI raided his house, they don't want that possibility coming to THEIR property as well.

Throw around ad hominems all you want, you're the person being unreasonable.

I'm really surprised this is coming from a tech person.

What is a "hacker" group? Are "hacker" groups all bad?

Do you know the difference between white hat and black hat?

The fact is you NEED people who know how to hack if you want to keep your data safe. So you NEED to find a "hacker", or somebody who has the ability to do so who is of good moral character if you want to keep your data safe. We will refer to them as white hats. Now, somebody can be considered a white hate or black hat or gray hat by one person or group and be considered a different color hat by a different group. Just like a drug dealer is considered a black hat by the government, a white hat by others and may automatically be put into the category of gray hat by some others who are ok with what others do with their body but may consider them inherently dangerous by operating within the black market.

The government labelled this kid a black hat for messing with the webpage of a football team, even though we know it was for moral reasons so we can then label him a white hat, aka somebody who is good to hire for your tech firm.

Gray hats may operate as white hats during the day and black hats at night, though that black hat title at night may very well actually be a white hat position and the white hat position during the day may very well be a black hat position because we all know the government is immoral.

[dannno]

A "hacker" working in a call center? lawl

That's really not uncommon, it is sometimes difficult for people who are proficient at computers but have no degree to get into the field without starting at a call center type position first.

I have several friends who started out working at call centers and are now IT professionals without any type of degree (in some cases no high school degree).

[Czolgosz]

That's really not uncommon, it is sometimes difficult for people who are proficient at computers but have no degree to get into the field without starting at a call center type position first.

I have several friends who started out working at call centers and are now IT professionals without any type of degree (in some cases no high school degree).


I suppose if he has no publicly available experience (i.e., open source projects) then he may need to start in support.

[specsaregood]

I'm really surprised this is coming from a tech person.


you ever been in a position of hiring people responsible for keeping financial data safe?

[dannno]

you ever been in a position of hiring people responsible for keeping financial data safe?

I am responsible for helping keep financial data safe and my recommendation for coworkers who are also in part responsible for keeping financial data safe is prized by my company :confused:

[dannno]

The government used to cream it's pants when they'd find a "hacker" who would access highly secure infrastructure just for the 'fun of it' and they would finally catch them and then offer them very lucrative positions in government.

The idea is if a person has the knowledge or the drive to use technology without hurting or stealing from other people when they have the opportunity to do so then they can be put to good use.

Now we have a person who specifically exploited technology for a good and moral use, in order to report an assault on an innocent victim, and we are not going to use the same logic in this case?

Does not compute.

[brandon]

Not sure what to think. Also, I wonder if Anonymous' skills as hackers are exaggeratted.

If this guy actually had serious hacking skills he would be working as an amazon engineer, not in the call center.

[angelatc]

im confused even more so,
shouldnt a private individual be able to criticize anyone anywhere - EVEN A CORPORATION!!! :eek: - for any (or no) reason whatsoever?

what is the issue here?

Nobody said the OP should be booted for criticizing Amazon.

[angelatc]

I am responsible for helping keep financial data safe and my recommendation for coworkers who are also in part responsible for keeping financial data safe is prized by my company :confused:

I triple dog dare you to go to your supervisor and tell them that you want to hire a guy who passed out kiddie porn and then hacked a web site to post a video of himself with the intent of blackmailing some high school football players.

[dannno]

I triple dog dare you to go to your supervisor and tell them that you want to hire a guy who passed out kiddie porn and then hacked a web site to post a video of himself with the intent of blackmailing some high school football players.

Why would I say that?

I would just say he was involved in helping to bring about charges for an assault victim who was too embarrassed to come forward because they were being harassed.

I won't even get into your twisted definition of 'kiddie porn'.

[presence]

Or for those of you who speak presence,
he'd just returned from
a turkey hunt


I think its great that you read the fine print angela; and I take the criticism in gest from a member of the choir... many, perhaps most, folks never make it past the meme; I like to consider the larger audience. Feel free to read the link provided.


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