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presence
08-22-2013, 10:36 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=soVS4s44xVg

donnay
08-22-2013, 10:39 AM
Kucinich is a good man--doesn't get it right all the time, but that's okay, he gets the Constitution and that is important!

Warlord
08-22-2013, 10:39 AM
Good on him

Snew
08-22-2013, 10:40 AM
good stuff Dennis!

Christian Liberty
08-22-2013, 10:40 AM
Kucinich is a good man--doesn't get it right all the time, but that's okay, he gets the Constitution and that is important!

I was going to congratulate him for this, but he does not "Get the Constitution." He obviously hasn't read the 2nd amendment.

Brett85
08-22-2013, 10:50 AM
I was going to congratulate him for this, but he does not "Get the Constitution." He obviously hasn't read the 2nd amendment.

Exactly. I like Kucinich and will give him credit where credit is due, but it's ridiculous to say that he "understands the Constitution." He doesn't understand the 2nd amendment or the 10th amendment which specifically defines what Congress is allowed to do.

Christian Liberty
08-22-2013, 10:54 AM
Exactly. I like Kucinich and will give him credit where credit is due, but it's ridiculous to say that he "understands the Constitution." He doesn't understand the 2nd amendment or the 10th amendment which specifically defines what Congress is allowed to do.

Yeah, I forgot he didn't get the 10th either.

That said, he still understands more of the Constitution than John McCain and Lindsey Graham. And very possibly more than Ted Cruz as well.

(For the record, Ted Cruz doesn't understand the 2nd or 10th amendments either.)

donnay
08-22-2013, 12:26 PM
I was going to congratulate him for this, but he does not "Get the Constitution." He obviously hasn't read the 2nd amendment.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyY3u2eC_yo

austrian_theorist
08-22-2013, 12:49 PM
I have such mixed feelings about Denis Kucinich. I support his stance on foreign policy because he wants to respect the constitution, but when it comes to domestic issues he just wants more government in all realms of our lives. Am I wrong in thinking this? Kucinich doesn't like the free market, he endorsed Obamacare and he wants regulation after regulation. Or is it the case that he's my enemy's enemy and I have to work with him?

Deborah K
08-22-2013, 12:56 PM
And let us not forget he can be strong-armed. All it took was a flight on AF1 to convince him to vote for Obamacare, when he was against it.

PSYOP
08-22-2013, 01:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyY3u2eC_yo

Irrelevant. His voting record says otherwise.

donnay
08-22-2013, 02:01 PM
Irrelevant. His voting record says otherwise.


That was a recent interview. Some people do change their minds, there is always a possibility he has--it sure sounded like that to me.

youngbuck
08-22-2013, 03:57 PM
Exactly. I like Kucinich and will give him credit where credit is due, but it's ridiculous to say that he "understands the Constitution." He doesn't understand the 2nd amendment or the 10th amendment which specifically defines what Congress is allowed to do.

Precisely how I feel, too.

TaftFan
08-22-2013, 04:02 PM
Kucinich understands the parts of the Constitution he agrees with, which is very little.

Uriah
08-22-2013, 04:24 PM
DEFUND THE NSA.

Brett85
08-22-2013, 06:33 PM
(For the record, Ted Cruz doesn't understand the 2nd or 10th amendments either.)

I don't know why you say that. Cruz led the fight along with Rand and Lee to kill the gun control bills in the Senate. That's one issue that he seems to be very good on.

eduardo89
08-22-2013, 06:43 PM
(For the record, Ted Cruz doesn't understand the 2nd or 10th amendments either.)

How does Cruz not understand the 2nd?

Christian Liberty
08-22-2013, 06:51 PM
I don't know why you say that. Cruz led the fight along with Rand and Lee to kill the gun control bills in the Senate. That's one issue that he seems to be very good on.


How does Cruz not understand the 2nd?

Actually, from recollection, I'm actually wrong. I had in mind where he voted to give medical data to the Federal Government, which he did do but I guess technically that's not a 2nd amendment issue even though it is related.

As for Kucinich, he definitely seems better on the issue than he used to, but he also cited the SCOTUS decision, which wasn't particularly pro-gun to begin with. He seems open to an assault weapons ban still. Which is clearly unconstitutional.

juleswin
08-22-2013, 06:53 PM
Preach Dennis. Btw the same goes for Obamacare

eduardo89
08-22-2013, 06:57 PM
As for Kucinich, he definitely seems better on the issue than he used to, but he also cited the SCOTUS decision, which wasn't particularly pro-gun to begin with. He seems open to an assault weapons ban still. Which is clearly unconstitutional.


We have babies dying in the streets; ban handguns. (Jul 2007)
Ban sale or transfer of semi-automatic guns. (Nov 2006)
Require background checks, licensing, and fingerprinting. (Jan 2004)
Voted NO on prohibiting product misuse lawsuits on gun manufacturers. (Oct 2005)
Voted NO on prohibiting suing gunmakers & sellers for gun misuse. (Apr 2003)
Voted NO on decreasing gun waiting period from 3 days to 1. (Jun 1999)
Rated F by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun control voting record. (Dec 2003)
http://www.ontheissues.org/dennis_kucinich.htm#Gun_Control

Christian Liberty
08-22-2013, 07:00 PM
We have babies dying in the streets; ban handguns. (Jul 2007)
Ban sale or transfer of semi-automatic guns. (Nov 2006)
Require background checks, licensing, and fingerprinting. (Jan 2004)
Voted NO on prohibiting product misuse lawsuits on gun manufacturers. (Oct 2005)
Voted NO on prohibiting suing gunmakers & sellers for gun misuse. (Apr 2003)
Voted NO on decreasing gun waiting period from 3 days to 1. (Jun 1999)
Rated F by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun control voting record. (Dec 2003)
http://www.ontheissues.org/dennis_kucinich.htm#Gun_Control

Yeah, he doesn't seem like he supports all of that now, but he might.

When Kucinich is good, he's really good. When he's bad, he's really bad. That's probably as close to "liberty" as you're going to get from a Democrat (Other than Ron Paul Republicans in donkey masks, such as Bob Conley) but he still sucks.

Brett85
08-22-2013, 07:44 PM
We have babies dying in the streets; ban handguns. (Jul 2007)
Ban sale or transfer of semi-automatic guns. (Nov 2006)
Require background checks, licensing, and fingerprinting. (Jan 2004)
Voted NO on prohibiting product misuse lawsuits on gun manufacturers. (Oct 2005)
Voted NO on prohibiting suing gunmakers & sellers for gun misuse. (Apr 2003)
Voted NO on decreasing gun waiting period from 3 days to 1. (Jun 1999)
Rated F by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun control voting record. (Dec 2003)
http://www.ontheissues.org/dennis_kucinich.htm#Gun_Control

At one time he was actually in favor of passing a federal law banning all guns.

presence
08-22-2013, 09:16 PM
(For the record, Ted Cruz doesn't understand the 2nd or 10th amendments either.)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSTw0TCcFcY

Natural Citizen
08-22-2013, 09:22 PM
I like Dennis. I don't care what anyone says.

Here's my favorite Dennis clip.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6FY3YlxND4

eduardo89
08-22-2013, 09:49 PM
At one time he was actually in favor of passing a federal law banning all guns.

He introduced legislation in Congress to ban all handguns. Feinstein must love him for that.

Aratus
08-23-2013, 07:28 PM
we are seeing the nsa violate our bill of rights as it lies to congress

if dennis kucinich is not believing any of the PR the nsa has concocted

Sola_Fide
08-23-2013, 07:30 PM
Hey Dennis, Obamacare is not constitutional.

Fredom101
08-23-2013, 07:48 PM
He also endorsed Obama. :confused: