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Scrapmo
08-21-2013, 10:31 PM
I should have learned by now.
I should fail to be shocked by the actions of our government enforcement class. But every time I believe that the bar has been set so abysmally low that police, as a corrupt institution, could not possibly fall any lower, could not possibly be anymore shameful, I am corrected.

This new pinnacle of disappointment came from reading Radley Balko’s new book “Rise of the Warrior Cop”, which I highly recommend. The section I was reading involved the police clamoring for more funding for SWAT and the need for SWAT teams in small rural locales in the wake of the Columbine shootings.

So lets review how the actions of those brave men on the day that two students decided to stroll into Columbine High and execute their classmates.

After the shooting had begun and the police were notified, 800 police officers and 8 SWAT teams eventually arrived on the scene.
This is where the story ends right? The heavily armed and armored SWAT teams who are highly trained to deal with these types of situation charged in waiving the American flag and neutralized the threats. Right?

Wrong.

Denver SWAT team began to enter the high school when they were ordered down by their commanding officers. “A dead police officer would not be able to help anyone.” was the justification given by SWAT team leader Donn Kraemer. The situation was deemed too dangerous to officer safety to intervene.

Twenty minutes after the shooting began; police did decide to enter the building. This is when they confronted the killers and liberated the children, right?

Wrong.

The SWAT entered the OPPOSITE side of the building where they knew the killers weren’t. There they found students trying to get out of the building. Instead of going of continuing to where the shooting was taking place, the police decided to escort the victims out of the building where they proceeded to FRISK every victim who came out. The shooters then proceeded to other areas of the building to continue killing. After the killers committed suicide the police still would not enter the parts of the building where gun fire occurred. It was still too dangerous. According to Balko, it took 3 hours for the police to sweep the building and reach the victims and another 45 minutes after that for paramedics to reach the victims. This is after the killers were already dead.

Also according to Balko, the SWAT team leader from Denver and the LAPD SWAT team leader deemed that the situation was handled appropriately.

And I would bet that the police were thanked for whatever it is they think they did there, probably awarded some really cool medals too.

This incident illustrated some basic truths that the American public has not fully awakened too yet.

The police will not protect you. The police will not save you. The police are not here to help.

And more specifically; SWAT teams are put in place to collect federal revenue for low level drug arrests. SWAT teams will not intervene in ANY situation that may pose a danger to themselves.

SWAT teams have no problem charging head first into a private home, shooting a dog, yelling obscenities at children and homeowners for a low-level drug charge where they are unlikely to meet much opposition. But in a situation where violence is already occurring, they will stand idly by while and allow your children to be slaughtered if they thought an officer might receive some armed resistance.

In other words SWAT is the culmination of all the cowardly policies and actions that make the institution of law enforcement one of the most disgraceful institution in our country.

/end rant.

End note: Pick up Radley Balko’s book “Rise of the Warrior Cop”. Most of the facts and quotes in this post came from his book.

bolil
08-21-2013, 10:36 PM
Balko's book is amazing, if not an eye opener to the awake it certainly vindicates our distrust of and disgust at militarized cops. He really hammers home how the Democrats and Republicans have behaved like fingers on the same hand in mongering the fear and selling the lies that led to public acceptance (if not approval) at the current domestic army. Taught me much about the symbolic 3rd and posse comitatus aswell.

+rep, a rant's rant.

kcchiefs6465
08-21-2013, 10:44 PM
Smdh.

ETA: I'm a quarter way through the one I'm on and after that I will be picking up his book.

Probably will ruin my week reading it... hell or even take me a month after I get disgusted and put it down daily.

fr33
08-21-2013, 10:56 PM
I'm gonna have to buy the audiobook.

Philhelm
08-21-2013, 11:20 PM
The actions of law enforcement during Waco and Columbine left a long-lasting impression upon me.

Scrapmo
08-21-2013, 11:31 PM
Probably will ruin my week reading it... hell or even take me a month after I get disgusted and put it down daily.

Yep, you will. I ussually read a book every 2 days. However I have had his for about a month and am only on the second to the last chapter. There have been many times where I have droped the book mid sentence and yelled "DONE!". The columbine story was one of them.

Scrapmo
08-21-2013, 11:33 PM
The actions of law enforcement during Waco and Columbine left a long-lasting impression upon me.

After reading the columbine incident this came to mind.

TO the SWAT at Columbine:

http://www.troll.me/images/the-bobs/what-exactly-would-you-say-you-do-here.jpg

bolil
08-21-2013, 11:33 PM
oh stfu bolil

The columbine part, I never knew that they were there while the shooters were still active.

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Ill never forget it, either. One of them even tried to enter without orders but he was barked down by the CO

Scrapmo
08-22-2013, 07:32 AM
oh stfu bolil

The columbine part, I never knew that they were there while the shooters were still active.

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Ill never forget it, either. One of them even tried to enter without orders but he was barked down by the CO

Whats equally amazing is that we have to find this pertinent information in the middle of a book published in 2013, instead of the news in 1999. The headlines should have been "Two Gunman kill 13 and wound 24, 800 police officers frisk survivors"

tod evans
08-22-2013, 07:44 AM
The actions of law enforcement during Waco and Columbine left a long-lasting impression upon me.

It was Randy Weaver and his family then Waco that fully galvanized me...

Before those two I simply harbored animosity and disdain...

Acala
08-22-2013, 08:57 AM
Here's the good news: if push comes to shove, law enforcement will not be a factor. In spite of all their expensive gear and posturing, they will turn tail and run when confronted with real armed resistance. They are good at blowing up people's homes and pulling them out of bed in their pajamas, but that's about it.

bolil
08-22-2013, 09:02 AM
Whats equally amazing is that we have to find this pertinent information in the middle of a book published in 2013, instead of the news in 1999. The headlines should have been "Two Gunman kill 13 and wound 24, 800 police officers frisk survivors"

Exactly what I was thinking. Mr. Balko did a masterful job. Did yours have a testimonial from Ron Paul on the back? Mine did, big reason why I bought the book. I was bummed that Mr. Balko never mentioned Ron's efforts as one of the only congressman that resisted the rise of the warrior bacon.

VoluntaryAmerican
08-22-2013, 09:04 AM
I want to buy Balkos book, but its $20.. very expensive. Maybe I'll wait longer.

Brian4Liberty
08-22-2013, 09:30 AM
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Denver SWAT team began to enter the high school when they were ordered down by their commanding officers. “A dead police officer would not be able to help anyone.” was the justification given by SWAT team leader Donn Kraemer. The situation was deemed too dangerous to officer safety to intervene.
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Also according to Balko, the SWAT team leader from Denver and the LAPD SWAT team leader deemed that the situation was handled appropriately.

And I would bet that the police were thanked for whatever it is they think they did there, probably awarded some really cool medals too.


In defense of the actual SWAT members, they did want to enter. It's the idiotic bureaucratic commanders that always hold everyone back.

And those bobble headed moron commanders are the ones that stand around in their fanciest uniforms during the press conferences for a big round of self-congratulating circle-jerking for (partially) doing the job that they are paid to do. It happens every time.

tod evans
08-22-2013, 09:31 AM
In defense of the actual SWAT members, they did want to enter. It's the idiotic bureaucratic commanders that always hold everyone back.

And those bobble headed moron commanders are the ones that stand around in their fanciest uniforms during the press conferences for a big round of self-congratulating circle-jerking for (partially) doing the job that they are paid to do. It happens every time.

They can be the first ones up the gallows stairs then..:mad:

Philhelm
08-22-2013, 12:57 PM
It was Randy Weaver and his family then Waco that fully galvanized me...

Before those two I simply harbored animosity and disdain...

I was born in 1980, so was fairly young around those times, and wasn't familiar with Ruby Ridge at that point. I did notice the seemingly odd difference in law enforcement behavior between Waco and Columbine. They charged when they should have stood, and stood when they should have charged.

Danke
08-22-2013, 01:26 PM
Here's the good news: if push comes to shove, law enforcement will not be a factor. In spite of all their expensive gear and posturing, they will turn tail and run when confronted with real armed resistance. They are good at blowing up people's homes and pulling them out of bed in their pajamas, but that's about it.

They will go home to protect their family.