No change in marijuana laws coming, White House says

[Peace Piper]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ23w8z1DAw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ23w8z1DAw

No change in marijuana laws coming, White House says
August 21st, 2013 Kevin Liptak
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/08/21/no-change-in-marijuana-laws-coming-white-house-says/


(CNN) – President Barack Obama isn't looking to change current federal laws dictating the classification of marijuana, his spokesman explained Wednesday.

Josh Earnest, the deputy press secretary, said Obama "does not, at this point, advocate a change in the law" that places marijuana in the same class of drugs as heroin, ecstasy and psychedelic mushrooms, and which deems cannabis to have no medical use.

Responding to a question from CNN Chief White House Correspondent Jessica Yellin, Earnest described the Obama administration's position on marijuana as mainly focused on prosecuting drug traffickers rather than individual users.

"The administration's position on this has been clear and consistent for some time now," he said. "While the prosecution of drug traffickers remains an important priority, the president and the administration believe that the targeting of individual marijuana users, especially those with serious illnesses and their caregivers, is not the best allocation of federal law enforcement resources."

A day earlier, Earnest said he couldn't say whether or not the president's personal views on medical marijuana had changed as he had not seen a column and documentary written by CNN Chief Medical Correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta, which detailed Gupta's own shift on the issue.

Obama considered naming Gupta as surgeon general in 2009, but the neurosurgeon later said he withdrew his name so he could maintain his surgical career and continue spending time with his family.

Gupta's online essay on marijuana, published August 9, was titled "Why I changed my mind on weed." In it, he described changing his own stance on medical marijuana after researching the topic for his CNN documentary "Weed."

He also apologized for what he said was his misguided previous stance.

"I apologize because I didn't look hard enough, until now," Gupta wrote. "I didn't look far enough. I didn't review papers from smaller labs in other countries doing some remarkable research, and I was too dismissive of the loud chorus of legitimate patients whose symptoms improved on cannabis."

Obama last weighed in on the use of marijuana after two states – Washington and Colorado – legalized the recreational use of the drug.

"This is a tough problem, because Congress has not yet changed the law," Obama told Barbara Walters of ABC News. "I head up the executive branch; we're supposed to be carrying out laws. And so what we're going to need to have is a conversation about, How do you reconcile a federal law that still says marijuana is a federal offense and state laws that say that it's legal?"

Supporters of medical marijuana have largely been disappointed in the Obama administration's record on the issue. While many were hopeful Obama would discontinue Bush-era crackdowns on dispensaries in states allowing the medical use of cannabis, those raids have ramped up since 2011. Users of medical marijuana, however, have mostly been left alone by the federal government.

Think Holder is going to allow state licensed retail pot stores in WA next year? Not gonna happen.

Imagine if one of those "reporters" had asked why the US Federal Government has a patent on the use of the main ingredient in pot.
Think it would have generated some talking points?
United States Patent 6,630,507 Cannabinoids as antioxidants and neuroprotectants
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6630507.PN.&OS=PN/6630507&RS=PN/6630507

From 8/19:

Federal Drug Agency Denies Marijuana Is Less Toxic Than Alcohol
By Robin Wilkey Posted: 08/19/2013
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/19/marijuana-less-toxic-alcohol_n_3782100.html?utm_hp_ref=tw


The National Institute on Drug Abuse released an eyebrow-raising statement to PolitiFact on Monday, denying that marijuana is less toxic than alcohol.

"Claiming that marijuana is less toxic than alcohol cannot be substantiated since each possess their own unique set of risks and consequences for a given individual," wrote the institute. NIDA, part of the National Institutes of Health, funds government-backed scientific research and has a stated mission "to lead the nation in bringing the power of science to bear on drug abuse and addiction."

The statement was in response to a declaration by the pro-pot policy group Marijuana Policy Project that marijuana is less harmful than alcohol –- a claim that was the centerpiece of a controversial pro-marijuana commercial aired during a NASCAR race last month.

PolitiFact took the claim to task, comparing marijuana-related deaths to alcohol-related deaths and toxicity levels of the two substances.

As noted by PolitiFact, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's National Center for Health Statistics reported 41,682 alcohol-related deaths in 2010. The center had no reports listing marijuana as a cause of death.

PolitiFact also noted a study by Robert Gable, an emeritus professor of psychology at Claremont Graduate University, that measured the toxicity levels of substances ranging from heroin to marijuana. The study showed that "marijuana is about 100 times safer than alcohol or cocaine."

PolitiFact noted that evidence surrounding the long-term effects of marijuana use is murky. Still, the fact-checker ruled the claim that marijuana is less toxic than alcohol "mostly true."...MORE
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/19/marijuana-less-toxic-alcohol_n_3782100.html?utm_hp_ref=tw


Oh look, over 20 patents RELATED TO CANNABIS

US Patent 4189491 - Tetrahydrocannabinol in a method of treating glaucoma(full - 1980)
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/4189491.html

Process for preparing cannabichromene (full - 1982)
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/4315862/description.html

US Patent 5508037 - Stable suppository formulations effecting bioavailability of Š9 -THC (full - 1996)
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5508037/fulltext.html

US Patent 6132762 - Transcutaneous application of marijuana (full - 2000)
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6132762/fulltext.html

US Patent 6328992 - Cannabinoid patch and method for cannabis transdermal delivery (full - 2001)
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6328992/fulltext.html

US Patent 6383513 - Compositions comprising cannabinoids (nasal spray)(full - 2002)
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6328992/fulltext.html

US Patent Application 20050042172 - Administration of medicaments by vaporisation (full - 2002)

20070151149 - Methods for altering the level of phytochemicals in plant cells by applying wave lengths of light from 400 nm to 700 nm and apparatus therefore (full - 2004)

US Patent Application 2004004905 - Method for producing an extract from cannabis plant matter, containing a tetrahydrocannabinol and a cannabidiol and cannabis extracts (full - 2004)

US Patent 6713048 - ”9 tetrahydrocannabinol (”9 THC) solution metered dose inhalers and methods of use (full - 2004)

US Patent 6974568 - Treatment for cough (full - 2005)

US Patent Application 20050266108 - Methods of purifying cannabinoids from plant material (full - 2005)

US Patent 6949582 - Method of relieving analgesia and reducing inflamation using a cannabinoid delivery topical liniment (full - 2005)

20050070596 - Methods for treatment of inflammatory diseases using CT-3 or analogs thereof (full - 2005)

Method of relieving analgesia and reducing inflamation using a cannabinoid delivery topical liniment (full - 2005)

US Patent 7088914 - Device, method and resistive element for vaporizing a medicament (full - 2006)

US Patent 7025992 - Pharmaceutical formulations (full - 2006)

US Patent Application 20060242899 - Method of cultivating plants(full - 2006)

US Patent 7109245 - Vasoconstrictor cannabinoid analogs (full - 2006)

20080057117 - PHARMACEUTICAL COMPOSITION MADE UP OF CANNIBUS EXTRACTS (full - 2007)

US Patent 7344736 - Extraction of pharmaceutically active components from plant materials (full - 2008)

US Patent 7402686 - Cannabinoid crystalline derivatives and process of cannabinoid purification (full - 2008)

US Patent 7399872 - Conversion of CBD to ”-THC and ”-THC (full - 2008)

US Patent 7622140 - Processes and apparatus for extraction of active substances and enriched extracts from natural products (full - 2009)

NEW USE FOR CANNABINOID-CONTAINING PLANT EXTRACTS
Patent application number: 20100249223 (full - 2010)

CANNABINOID-CONTAINING PLANT EXTRACTS AS NEUROPROTECTIVE AGENTS Patent application number: 20100239693(full - 2010)

Full links here:
https://sites.google.com/site/gscmmjlist/home/a/p/patents-related-to-cannabis

It's illegal because it IS medicine. The Government not only knows it, it has patented the uses of it.

Now it's awarding pieces of those patents. Here's a company that has one:
http://www.kannalife.com/

http://www.kannalife.com/wp-content/themes/kanna/images/logo.gif

​Exclusive Interview: Dean Petkanas, CEO, KannaLife
(The Company Just Awarded An Exclusive Cannabinoid License By The Federal Government)
Read it here:
http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2011/12/cannabinoid_patent_exclusivity_only_applies_to_one .php

[DamianTV]

Keep people in jail to protect the Prison Industrial Complex.
Keep people sick to protect the Medical Industrial Complex.
Keep people stupid to protect the Education Indoctrination Industrial Complex.
Keep people poor by fines for non crimes to protect the Police Industrial Complex.
Keep people in Debt to protect the Financial Industrial Complex.

Outlaw everything that is healthy, and legalize everything that makes you sick or will kill you.
Authorize every Govt Enforcer to use Deadly Force for the most trivial of non offenses.

When everything is outlawed, only outlaws will have anything.

[better-dead-than-fed]

Under the federal law, isn't a drug's placement on Schedule 1 supposed to be determined by scientific evidence, not by Presidential fiat?

Has anyone tried suing the administration for fraudulently keeping MJ on Schedule 1 despite the scientific evidence?

[DamianTV]

Under the federal law, isn't a drug's placement on Schedule 1 supposed to be determined by scientific evidence, not by Presidential fiat?

Has anyone tried suing the administration for fraudulently keeping MJ on Schedule 1 despite the scientific evidence?

They ignore EVERYTHING we throw at them. Protests. Studies. Lawsuits. Everything. Then they turn back around and protest our Rights, do studies to remove our Rights, file lawsuits in ways that violate our Rights.

Unaccountable Authority answers to no one.

[Lucille]

"There is just too much money in it."
--Hillary Clinton (http://reason.com/blog/2011/02/07/hillary-clinton-we-cant-legali)

[Anti Federalist]

"This is a tough problem, because Congress has not yet changed the law," Obama told Barbara Walters of ABC News. "I head up the executive branch; we're supposed to be carrying out laws. And so what we're going to need to have is a conversation about, How do you reconcile a federal law that still says marijuana is a federal offense and state laws that say that it's legal?"

We already had a "conversation" about this, ya fucking dimwit.

It's called the 10th Amendment.

[Christian Liberty]

We already had a "conversation" about this, ya fucking dimwit.

It's called the 10th Amendment.

+rep.

[better-dead-than-fed]

They ignore... Lawsuits.

If you, or anyone else, knows the specific names of any such lawsuits, please post here? I am curious to see the exact words used by the courts?

[better-dead-than-fed]

We already had a "conversation" about this, ya fucking dimwit.

It's called the 10th Amendment.


The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

What do you say to the argument that:

Article 3 empowers the Supreme Court; and
the Supreme Court has ruled (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?414251-Vermont-s-Legislature-Just-Voted-to-Decriminalize-Marijuana&p=5021846&viewfull=1#post5021846) that Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3 (Commerce Clause) does in fact delegate to the federal government the power to regulate weed?

[Peace Piper]

If you, or anyone else, knows the specific names of any such lawsuits, please post here? I am curious to see the exact words used by the courts?


Appeals court to consider DEA classification of marijuana
Posted Friday, Aug. 16, 2013

By Michael Doyle

McClatchy Newspapers

WASHINGTON — Medical marijuana users will get a long-awaited day in the nation’s second-highest federal court next week, when California-based activists argue for looser regulations.

While voters in Washington and two other Western states are preparing to vote on legalizing recreational pot use, the California activists hope to redefine how the federal government classifies the drug. The case, years in the making, could turn federal law enforcement on its head.

“It’s symbolic, and it’s extremely important,” Kris Hermes, spokesman for Americans for Safe Access, said in a telephone interview Friday, “and it will force the federal government to rethink how it addresses this issue.”

The drug regulation dispute will be taken up Tuesday by a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, which is influential because it oversees many federal agency decisions. The half-hour oral argument, pitting Americans for Safe Access against the Obama administration’s Justice Department, is the latest step in a drug regulation case begun a decade ago.

Based in Oakland, Calif., home base for the nation’s medical marijuana movement, Americans for Safe Access is challenging the Drug Enforcement Administration’s continued classification of marijuana as a Schedule I drug. Schedule I drugs, which also include the likes of heroin, are officially deemed to have a high potential for abuse and no currently accepted medical use.

The DEA last year upheld the agency’s strict marijuana classification following extended review, and the Justice Department argues the appellate court need not second-guess this decision.

“There was no available evidence of adequate, well-controlled studies demonstrating marijuana’s safety and effectiveness as a medicine and no consensus among experts as to these issues,” Justice Department attorneys Lena Watkins and Anita J. Gay advised the appellate court in a legal brief. “The enactment of state laws allowing the use of marijuana for medical purposes did not constitute the required science-based evidence.”

Watkins and Gay further cited the “extensive illicit domestic and international trafficking of marijuana as evidence of the widespread use and abuse” of the drug.

An estimated 16.7 million U.S. residents currently use marijuana, according to the most recent federal surveys. Among 12th graders, an estimated one in five had used pot within the past month, according to a 2010 survey.


One user has been Parrish, Fla.-resident Cathy Jordan, who says marijuana relieves the debilitating symptoms of amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, also known as Lou Gehrig’s Disease. Another user has been Air Force veteran Michael Krawitz, a Virginia resident in chronic pain from a car accident. A third has been Rick Steeb, a San Jose, Calif., resident in his early 60s who says marijuana has eased the pain of glaucoma.

“I am afraid to cultivate sufficient amounts of marijuana for this purpose because I fear a federal criminal prosecution for doing so,” Steeb said in a legal declaration. “If marijuana were rescheduled, I believe I would be afforded a medical necessity defense.” MORE
http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/10/12/4395367/appeals-court-to-consider-dea.html


Maybe that will be successful but best not hold your breath.

This "war" could be over if enough people demanded an answer as to why the Feds are patenting the use of the plant they say has "no medical use"

"Reporters" can't seem to do even basic research on the topic. The patents are no secret.

[bolil]

What do you say to the argument that:

Article 3 empowers the Supreme Court; and
the Supreme Court has ruled (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?414251-Vermont-s-Legislature-Just-Voted-to-Decriminalize-Marijuana&p=5021846&viewfull=1#post5021846) that Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3 (Commerce Clause) does in fact delegate to the federal government the power to regulate weed?


As far as the commerce clause, I would say that prohibiting commerce is antithetical to encouraging it. Then again, see below :)

[mad cow]

What do you say to the argument that:

Article 3 empowers the Supreme Court; and
the Supreme Court has ruled (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?414251-Vermont-s-Legislature-Just-Voted-to-Decriminalize-Marijuana&p=5021846&viewfull=1#post5021846) that Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3 (Commerce Clause) does in fact delegate to the federal government the power to regulate weed?


Luckily,pot is able to be grown in all 50 States without even greenhouses,grow-lights,hydroponics or such.
You throw all that stuff into the mix,well,I'm sure Cali residents would be happy with Cali chronic and Rhode Island residents with Rhode Island reefer and Georgians with Georgia ganja.

Commerce Clause be damned.

[kcchiefs6465]

A seedling is considered a pound.

Hardly any plant will grow near that much flowers.

Not to mention your house will be seized. Electronics, cars, whatever you happen to have.

Mandatory sentencing.

[mczerone]

Josh Earnest, the deputy press secretary, said Obama "does not, at this point, advocate a change in the law" that places marijuana in the same class of drugs as heroin, ecstasy and psychedelic mushrooms, and which deems cannabis to have no medical use.


What's sadly hilarious is that each of those drugs have medicinal use...

[mad cow]

What's sadly hilarious is that each of those drugs have medicinal use...

Which is completely irrelevant,they could be proven to have absolutely no socially redeeming value and still,anybody who wants to partake of them,well that's their business.

Seriously,I think that the argument that certain drugs have a medicinal value is harmful,overall.
I much prefer the I own my body,not society,not the State,and I will do with my body as I wish argument.

[The Northbreather]

A seedling is considered a pound.

Hardly any plant will grow near that much flowers.

Not to mention your house will be seized. Electronics, cars, whatever you happen to have.

Mandatory sentencing.

False.

[Warlord]

We already had a "conversation" about this, ya fucking dimwit.

It's called the 10th Amendment.

Scalia and co disagree so therefore tyranny happens

[GunnyFreedom]

Keep people in jail to protect the Prison Industrial Complex.
Keep people sick to protect the Medical Industrial Complex.
Keep people stupid to protect the Education Indoctrination Industrial Complex.
Keep people poor by fines for non crimes to protect the Police Industrial Complex.
Keep people in Debt to protect the Financial Industrial Complex.

Outlaw everything that is healthy, and legalize everything that makes you sick or will kill you.
Authorize every Govt Enforcer to use Deadly Force for the most trivial of non offenses.

When everything is outlawed, only outlaws will have anything.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to DamianTV again.

Damn.

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Keep people in jail to protect the Prison Industrial Complex.
Keep people sick to protect the Medical Industrial Complex.
Keep people stupid to protect the Education Indoctrination Industrial Complex.
Keep people poor by fines for non crimes to protect the Police Industrial Complex.
Keep people in Debt to protect the Financial Industrial Complex.

Outlaw everything that is healthy, and legalize everything that makes you sick or will kill you.
Authorize every Govt Enforcer to use Deadly Force for the most trivial of non offenses.

When everything is outlawed, only outlaws will have anything.

[Kotin]

They won't be able to stop anything and they goddamn well know it.. Lol

As soon as state infrastructure is setup in CO and WA and people see how it works( and gov officials see tax revenue numbers) nobody will be able to stop it.

[tod evans]

War on them!

[DamianTV]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to DamianTV again.

Damn.

Im sure others have made posts that you'd feel are rep worthy. Im fairly certain that once 2 other posts are repped, you can give rep to someone you've already given rep to, and that message you got goes away.

---

I say this one all the time, but Im sure politicians dont want to endorse it because they dont want to appear to be weak on what is currently considered "Crime".

"When the Legal Consequences are more severe than the Medical Consequencses of a Substance, you have Injustice."

[kcchiefs6465]

False.
It really isn't.

Outdoors California, sure you can get a pound a plant depending the strain. Indoors it's pretty much unheard of.

My point wasn't how much bud a plant can yield but that a baby germinating seedling is considered a pound.

It's absurd.

If you aren't in a medicinal state, and even if you are, beware of the laws. Mandatory minimum sentencing and they'll seize everything you ever thought you owned.

[DamianTV]

It really isn't.

Outdoors California, sure you can get a pound a plant depending the strain. Indoors it's pretty much unheard of.

My point wasn't how much bud a plant can yield but that a baby germinating seedling is considered a pound.

It's absurd.

If you aren't in a medicinal state, and even if you are, beware of the laws. Mandatory minimum sentencing and they'll seize everything you ever thought you owned.

Rich people can usually afford quality lawyers. (I refrained from calling lawyers "good" because I dont believe such a creature exists).

But there is a problem. Again with the 4th, but this time, seizure of a persons property without the due process of law. Govts come along and will seize all of a persons assets claiming that the assets were obtained illegally, and thereby depriving the ability of the accused (innocent until proven guilty / due process of law / obtained illegally) to afford a quality defense.

Result is that once accused, the accused is treated as Guilty until proven Innocent, and is deprived of the ability to prove ones Innocense. Modern day Witch Hunt.

Definitely know the laws in your state and watch your asses. NSA and DEA like to work together to turn innocent people into criminals by simply depriving them the due process of Law.

[youngbuck]

Of course no change is coming; it's one of their primary vehicles to promote police militarization.

[kcchiefs6465]

Rich people can usually afford quality lawyers. (I refrained from calling lawyers "good" because I dont believe such a creature exists).

But there is a problem. Again with the 4th, but this time, seizure of a persons property without the due process of law. Govts come along and will seize all of a persons assets claiming that the assets were obtained illegally, and thereby depriving the ability of the accused (innocent until proven guilty / due process of law / obtained illegally) to afford a quality defense.

Result is that once accused, the accused is treated as Guilty until proven Innocent, and is deprived of the ability to prove ones Innocense. Modern day Witch Hunt.

Definitely know the laws in your state and watch your asses. NSA and DEA like to work together to turn innocent people into criminals by simply depriving them the due process of Law.
To even challenge the forfeiture in DC costs $2,500. It is safe to say they keep anything they've seized under that amount. (it wouldn't be worth the effort to challenge it) Hell even if they took $3,000, the five hundred dollars you may get back wouldn't really be worth your time and effort.

Your property is guilty until proven innocent.

[DamianTV]

To even challenge the forfeiture in DC costs $2,500. It is safe to say they keep anything they've seized under that amount. (it wouldn't be worth the effort to challenge it) Hell even if they took $3,000, the five hundred dollars you may get back wouldn't really be worth your time and effort.

Your property is guilty until proven innocent.

Costs $2500 bucks? About 47% of Americans have less than $800 in savings, total.

The real crime here is being poor.

[Anti Federalist]

What do you say to the argument that:

Article 3 empowers the Supreme Court; and
the Supreme Court has ruled (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?414251-Vermont-s-Legislature-Just-Voted-to-Decriminalize-Marijuana&p=5021846&viewfull=1#post5021846) that Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3 (Commerce Clause) does in fact delegate to the federal government the power to regulate weed?


What do I say?

What can I say...?

1 - Tyrants gonna tyrannize.

2 - Wickard v. Filburn be damned.

3 - Why would I expect the FedCoats to acknowledge the 10th amendment any more than I would expect them to honor and acknowledge the other 9?

At the end of the day, W was right, it really is "just a goddamn piece of paper".

Even more correct was Lysander Spooner:

“But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain - that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case it is unfit to exist.”

[Peace Piper]

Of course no change is coming; it's one of their primary vehicles to promote police militarization.

Change IS coming. Because every day more people learn that while saying "there is no medical use for marijuana" the Feds have patented the use of the plant, as seen here- over 20 US Federal Patents related to cannabis: https://sites.google.com/site/gscmmjlist/home/a/p/patents-related-to-cannabis

But it takes a long time. In the 7 years that I personally have posted direct linked evidence that the feds have patented various uses of the main ingredient in cannabis I can count on one hand the comments directly related to those patents. Perhaps it's hard to process, the outright hypocrisy and lies. Not one comment on that here on this thread (so far).

How many people sitting on a jury would vote to convict someone for growing what the Feds actually DO consider patentable medicine? That's why the words "Medical Marijuana" are not permitted in Federal Court. But if everyone knew before they entered the building, it's just a matter of time (and education).

The Feds KNOW it's medicine. They have patented various uses. You can't patent a plant (yet) but you can patent the use of ingredients. And they HAVE.

[RabbitMan]

I feel like I have to reiterate this every time a Marijuana story comes up--Washington State will have legal marijuana stores in the Spring or Summer of next year. There will be legal regulated producers and this whole thing will be a non-issue. There is no precedent for something of this scale in terms of defiance of federal law, but The administration has proven time and time again that it is unable to act.

It would make absolutely no sense for the Feds to crack down on the State AFTER all of this time and money we are spending to set up a regulated system is finished. The police in Seattle have been educating folks here in how the law will work and what is and is not legal. I foresee a limp Federal response with some wording like, "We are concerned and watching developments in Washington and Colorado closely."

[bunklocoempire]

Just like Gitmo -his hands are tied. What a surprise.

[dannno]

I feel like I have to reiterate this every time a Marijuana story comes up--Washington State will have legal marijuana stores in the Spring or Summer of next year. There will be legal regulated producers and this whole thing will be a non-issue. There is no precedent for something of this scale in terms of defiance of federal law, but The administration has proven time and time again that it is unable to act.

It would make absolutely no sense for the Feds to crack down on the State AFTER all of this time and money we are spending to set up a regulated system is finished. The police in Seattle have been educating folks here in how the law will work and what is and is not legal. I foresee a limp Federal response with some wording like, "We are concerned and watching developments in Washington and Colorado closely."

I hope you're right, but I see threatening phone calls being made to heads of local PDs and such which may cause them to not even open to begin with.

I don't think they will go down without a fight.

[better-dead-than-fed]

Appeals court to consider DEA classification of marijuana
Posted Friday, Aug. 16, 2013

By Michael Doyle

McClatchy Newspapers

... will get a... day in the nation’s second-highest federal court next week... Tuesday... U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit... half-hour oral argument, pitting Americans for Safe Access against the Obama administration’s Justice Departmenthttp://www.star-telegram.com/2012/10/12/4395367/appeals-court-to-consider-dea.html

Neither the government nor Americans for Safe Access is showing any record of this.

[DamianTV]

Neither the government nor Americans for Safe Access is showing any record of this.

Elimination of History alters ones perceptions of what really happens in both future and current generations.

[tod evans]

Elimination of History alters ones perceptions of what really happens in both future and current generations.

The "winners" have always written history.....

Could be the digital age changes that..

[better-dead-than-fed]

Elimination of History alters ones perceptions of what really happens in both future and current generations.

Americans for Safe Access is Tweeting, but no mention of recent court proceedings:

https://twitter.com/safeaccess

Nothing on their website either:

http://www.americansforsafeaccess.org/

[Peace Piper]

I feel like I have to reiterate this every time a Marijuana story comes up--Washington State will have legal marijuana stores in the Spring or Summer of next year. There will be legal regulated producers and this whole thing will be a non-issue. There is no precedent for something of this scale in terms of defiance of federal law, but The administration has proven time and time again that it is unable to act.

It would make absolutely no sense for the Feds to crack down on the State AFTER all of this time and money we are spending to set up a regulated system is finished. The police in Seattle have been educating folks here in how the law will work and what is and is not legal. I foresee a limp Federal response with some wording like, "We are concerned and watching developments in Washington and Colorado closely."

"it is unable to act"??? These people might disagree. Remember, medical cannabis is legal in CA.


Pending Cases in California and Elsewhere

http://www.canorml.org/costs/federal_medical_marijuana_prisoners_and_cases

July 13, 2013 - A federal grand jury returned a multi-count indictment charging John Wesley Lane, 33, and Kelsey Ann Lane, 26, both of Anderson, with manufacturing and distributing marijuana, according to a press release issued by the office of US Attorney Benjamin Wagner.


According to court documents, law enforcement agents executed federal search warrants Dec. 13, 2012 at three properties owned, leased, or associated with the Lanes, including a warehouse on Eastside Road in Anderson; the Lanes' residence on Nicole Court in Anderson and the California Patients Collective marijuana dispensary on Churn Creek Road in Redding.

They discovered 2,700 mature marijuana plants and 1,300 marijuana clones and about 40 kilograms of processed marijuana from the warehouse. At the Lanes' residence they found about 130 pounds of processed marijuana, numerous firearms and $51,860.87 in cash. Nearly 200 marijuana plants, processed marijuana, concentrated cannabis, edible marijuana and $4,673.00 in cash were found at the dispensary in Redding.

The couple made an initial appearance in court on June 14 and were scheduled for arraignment on July 12. Both defendants face maximum statutory penalties of up to life in prison and statutory mandatory minimum sentences of 10 years in prison.

Read more.
June 11, 2013 - Jerry Duval, a Michigan farmer who has a kidney and pancreas transplant, as well as glaucoma and neuropathy, surrendered for a 10-year prison sentence after police, who had approved his 144-plant cooperative garden, raided it and moved to forfeit his property. Duval's prison term could cost taxpayers an estimated $1.2 million. His son Jeremy Duval is serving a 5-year sentence. Sign a petition for compassionate release for Duval.


Meanwhile, federal authorities moved to shut down marijuana dispensaries in Echo Park, Westlake, south L.A., the harbor area, Long Beach, Lancaster and Pearblossom. The action so far involves mainly warning letters to most of the 103 storefronts targeted, according to a statement from the U.S. Attorney's Office in Los Angeles. The targeted 71 dispensaries in the city of L.A. involved all remaining known shops in the LAPD's Rampart, Newton and Harbor divisions, feds said. Source.

Facing immediate asset forfeiture are two Long Beach dispensaries: The Healing Tree Holistic Association at 3721 East Anaheim Street, and the Naples Wellness Center at 5750 East Second Street.
May 8, 2013 Cal NORML Denounces Federal Forfeiture Suit Against East Bay's Oldest Medical Cannabis Dispensary: BPG
The U.S. Dept of Justice filed a property forfeiture lawsuit against the landlord of the East Bay's oldest operating medical cannabis dispensary, the Berkeley Patient's Group. Founded in 1999, the BPG is one of the most respected dispensaries in the Bay Area.
May 7, 2013 - Seven Michigan defendants, including two who are in their 60s, pleaded guilty to federal marijuana charges over an operation that leased grow rooms to six medical marijuana caregivers.


Dennis Forsberg, 59, of Forsberg Real Estate Co., was sentenced to three years in federal prison and ordered to pay a $15,000 fine. His son, 32-year-old Lance Forsberg, also was sentenced last month to three years in prison.

Ryan Basore, 36, who in a proposal for investors estimated the annual return at a half-million dollars, received the most severe penalty — four years in prison. Patrick Karslake, 64, also admitted playing a role. He is serving a one-year prison sentence and was ordered to pay a $15,000 fine. The others convicted were: Kyle Corey, 23 his father, Dennis Corey, 65 and Douglas Frakes, 58. Dennis was sentenced to one year in prison, and was sentenced to two years. Frakes was sentenced to one day in prison. Source.
May 2, 2013 - US Drug Nannies Send More Dispensary Landlord Letters
US Attorney Melinda Haag has issued a spate of new landlord letters targeting medical cannabis dispensaries in Northern California.


In addition, The DEA sent cease-and-desist letters to 11 medical-marijuana dispensaries in Seattle. "Despite the sequester, Newtown, and the Boston bombing, the Obama administration still insists in meddling in medical marijuana issues that properly belong to local authorities," said Dale Gieringer of California NORML.
On April 18, 2013, federal prosecutors moved against 63 dispensaries in Santa Ana. Prosecutors filed three asset forfeiture lawsuits against properties where seven dispensaries are operating and raided two of the stores involved.


Forfeiture actions were brought against:

• GLC (or the Green Love Collective and The Dispensary Store, which are operating in a building at 1638 East 17th Street, a property owned by chiropractor Mark Burcaw, and previously have been the subject of administrative citations issued by the city;
• SoCal Compassion, Club Meds and Well Greenz, at 1651 East Edinger, another building owned by Burcaw; and
• J Pacific Life and Healing OC, 1665 East 4th Street, where the raids took place.

Also, prosecutors send threatening letters to people associated with 56 other dispensaries. That is every known dispensary in the city. The Santa Ana Police and Santa Ana City Attorney's Office cooperated with the feds.

On April 23, the DEA and a local drug task force raided the last dispensary in San Diego and nine associated grow sites. Raided was the One on One Patients Association, whose director, Ken Cole, had testified the previous night at the city council's hearing on the mayor's proposed dispensary ordinance. No arrests were made, but marijuana and other items were seized. Cole is also the director of the area dispensary industry group, the United Patients Alliance. Source.
March 28, 2013 - John Lester Gross III pleaded guilty to maintaining a drug-involved premises in federal court. According to court documents, Gross helped organize and maintain a marijuana dispensary on P Street in Sacramento. The dispensary was supplied with marijuana grown on Gross's property in Rough and Ready, which is near Grass Valley. On the property, officers found more than 2,800 marijuana plants and approximately 100 pounds of processed marijuana.


Gross is scheduled to be sentenced by United States District Judge Morrison C. England Jr. on June 27, 2013. Gross faces a maximum statutory penalty of 20 years in prison and a $500,000 fine.


January 13, 2013 - Matthew R. Davies, 34 of Stockton (shown above with his family) is being offered a plea deal with a five year mandatory minimum sentence. According to the New York Times, federal agents raided two of Mr. Davies’s dispensaries and a warehouse, where 2,000 marijuana plants were grown, in 2011. The federal authorities said they stumbled across the operation after two men were spotted apparently breaking into Mr. Davies’s 30,000-square-foot Stockton warehouse. The police said they smelled marijuana plants. Federal agents conducted a raid and confiscated 1,962 plants and 200 pounds of marijuana.

Also see The Atlantic story on Davies's bust. and supporters' website KeepMattFree.com

Lynn Farrell Smith, 62, of Stockton pleaded guilty in a Sacramento federal court to manufacturing and distribution charges that can send him to federal prison for five years. He was a partner in the venture that included a Stockton marijuana cultivation warehouse and seven dispensaries, including four in Sacramento.

MORE HERE:

http://www.canorml.org/costs/federal_medical_marijuana_prisoners_and_cases



Washington State might have retail cannabis stores that sell product taxed 3x and where edibles are (so far) prohibited. But as dannno says above, not without a fight -- that has not begun yet.

All DC has to do is enforce the money laundering laws. You really think these stores are going to put cash in FDIC banks from the sale of a federally prohibited product? Seriously? It was a MAJOR FLAW in a FLAWED Law that no one wanted to discuss before it was voted on.


In the meantime, Washington's "legalization" consists of the right to buy under an ounce from stores that don't exist, a prohibition on home growing (without a card) and stiff unrealistic limits on DUID (the 5 ng law).

[better-dead-than-fed]

All DC has to do is enforce the money laundering laws.

Not to mention federal law (Brady Bill) against possessing guns while being "user of an illegal drug" or something like that.

[Working Poor]

PP

It is not hard to process that the gov has so many patents on medicine derived from marijuana. What can be done about it is the real question.

[RabbitMan]

Just you wait and see. I think you will be pleasantly surprised. If the Feds are going to pick a fight with anyone, it will be Colorado.

The whole point of the Washington initiative was to make it Soccer Mom friendly. Even with the 'Medical Cannabis' community almost completely against it, the initiative won more support in Eastern Washington than in Western Washington. You know, the part with all of those progressive, bicycle riding Seattle hippies. ;). Again, if they try to nix it, they are going to hurt the Democratic Party and probably help a Rand type candidate in the near future.

For complainers though, remember that the idea was to just GET IT PASSED, and fix the minor details later as they arise, rather than quibble over minor crap and never get anything substantial done. *COUGH libertarian party COUGH*

[better-dead-than-fed]

Americans for Safe Access is Tweeting, but no mention of recent court proceedings:

https://twitter.com/safeaccess

Nothing on their website either:

http://www.americansforsafeaccess.org/

When I asked them "What happened with your case in the D.C. Circuit on Tuesday", they replied, "We are now headed to the #supremecourt".

[better-dead-than-fed]

Has anyone tried suing the administration for fraudulently keeping MJ on Schedule 1 despite the scientific evidence?

They ignore... Lawsuits.
If you, or anyone else, knows the specific names of any such lawsuits, please post here? I am curious to see the exact words used by the courts?

If no one files lawsuits, the government does not even get a chance to ignore them.

[Cabal]

These idiots are still calling it marijuana.

[better-dead-than-fed]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/08/21/no-change-in-marijuana-laws-coming-white-house-says/


the deputy press secretary, said Obama "does not, at this point, advocate a change in the law" that places marijuana in [Schedule 1]....

The President is confusing the issue. Taking pot off Schedule 1 would not require a change in the law; it would only require that the President start obeying the existing law, 21 USC 812(b) (http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/granule/USCODE-2011-title21/USCODE-2011-title21-chap13-subchapI-partB-sec812/content-detail.html):


a drug or other substance may not be placed in any schedule unless the findings required for such schedule are made with respect to such drug or other substance. The findings required for each of the schedules are as follows:
(1) SCHEDULE I.—

(A) The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
(B) The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
(C) There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision....


I mistakenly believed the Drug Enforcement Agency listed marijuana as a schedule 1 substance because of sound scientific proof. Surely, they must have quality reasoning as to why marijuana is in the category of the most dangerous drugs that have "no accepted medicinal use and a high potential for abuse."

They didn't have the science to support that claim, and I now know that when it comes to marijuana neither of those things are true. It doesn't have a high potential for abuse, and there are very legitimate medical applications.

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/08/health/gupta-changed-mind-marijuana/

Here is the DEA refusing to reschedule pot, despite the scientific evidence:

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2001-04-18/html/01-9306.htm

Here are cops admitting their interest in maintaining prohibition, despite the requirements of the above-cited law:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?425943-Cops-freak-out-over-Holder-s-latest-policy-decision

[Natural Citizen]

These idiots are still calling it marijuana.

What are you going to call it after agribusiness giants with all of their genetically modified and “approved additives" gets done with it? Probably already being stored in some warehouse just waiting for states to legalize it. Once that happens you'll see the agribusiness corporations jump in, demand patents and then ban the growing of the real thing (Far reaching legislation has already been introduced to representatives by these corporations) under the ruse of regulatory stipulations.

That ought to be a hoot once they start competing with (other) criminal organizations who already deal in it.

[Mani]

I feel like I have to reiterate this every time a Marijuana story comes up--Washington State will have legal marijuana stores in the Spring or Summer of next year. There will be legal regulated producers and this whole thing will be a non-issue. There is no precedent for something of this scale in terms of defiance of federal law, but The administration has proven time and time again that it is unable to act.

It would make absolutely no sense for the Feds to crack down on the State AFTER all of this time and money we are spending to set up a regulated system is finished. The police in Seattle have been educating folks here in how the law will work and what is and is not legal. I foresee a limp Federal response with some wording like, "We are concerned and watching developments in Washington and Colorado closely."

I really hope it stays that way.

I'm always afraid the Feds will tell the local PD's. NO MORE TOYS FOR YOU!!!


And threaten to take away their bearcats and federal grants and various federal monies, and the PD's will cry and turncoat into Fed lapdogs.