Aaron Sorkin: Ron Paul is a "Batsy Old Crank"

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-Gm45XUS4U

[NIU Students for Liberty]

If I ever needed an excuse to stop watching Newsroom...

[redmod79]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-Gm45XUS4U

someone feels threatened

[NoOneButPaul]

I cant stand when I hear people say this shit...

Whether you agree with him or not he gave his life for what he believed in and never gave up hope. Fuck anyone who can't see the beauty in that all by itself.

[matt0611]

I cant stand when I hear people say this shit...

Whether you agree with him or not he gave his life for what he believed in and never gave up hope. Fuck anyone who can't see the beauty in that all by itself.

but but he doesn't want clean air or water! :rolleyes:

People actually watch this pretentious, self-righteous, thinly-disguised political propaganda?

[Philhelm]

someone feels threatened

They shall die by inches!

[enhanced_deficit]

Free market solution is to boycott movies of this guy?

Apparently there were Wikileaks reports that movies of Steven Spielbergh and those of scumbags Will Smith, Ashton Kutcher were being boycotted in mideast.

[DrHendricks]

And with that ingenious statement, I will not finish Season 1 of Newsroom. Thank you Mr. Sorkin.

[ronpaulfollower999]

Where does Aaron Sorkin say that? One of the characters does, but not Sorkin.

The whole drunk Ron Paul supporter thing reminded me of this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBFj66niZvI

[Antischism]

Well, that's one way to drive away a segment of your viewership.

[Boss]

In fairness to The Newsroom, Ron Paul was also shown as having a beautiful minority young woman as a staunch supporter. Also it was acknowledged at an earlier point in the episode (by same supporter) that Ron Paul was being underrepresented in the media during the 2012 election cycle. Further, the show has included RP's campaign alongside mentions of Santorum, Gingrich, and Romney. The show clearly could have ignored RP (as much of the mainstream media did during the cycle). Certainly it could not be reasonably construed that the writers of The Newsroom support RP, but they have treated him with at least the semblance of non-bias. Further, the character who criticizes RP in this scene is an opinionated and relatively. naive character

Full disclosure--I think The Newsroom is an excellent show and the 2nd season is far superior to the 1st. Worth watching by all means in my book.

[ravedown]

House of Cards is better

[PursuePeace]

Have never seen or heard of any of these people or this show/movie until this thread.

That's such a satisfying feeling.
lol.

[DrHendricks]

I can't get over how awful that segment is. Wow. Who needs to put that vile filth about Paul into a show like that? Despicable. And to have a character like that portray a movement. Shouldn't be surprised, but this was just low.

[donnay]

The script writers have been taking pot-shots at Dr. Paul for a while. In last season, the newsroom were doing mock debates and used a black man to be Ron Paul. Now they brought up the race-card when describing Dr. Paul once again. That seems to be the narrative across the board in the brainwashing media mind control these days. They brought up race and legalizing drugs and how easy it is to get it so why legalize it or decriminalize it? :rolleyes:

[CPUd]

LOL when I saw that, I thought to myself there would be a thread here in less than 24 hours.

It is a TV show about MSM (someone even says don't call it MSM when you're on MSM), and they really don't say much more (or differently) about Ron Paul than they did in real life. I don't think they say anything nice about anyone on that show.

Ironically, while they don't say very nice things about Ron Paul, the direction the show is going will probably end up having some of the characters promoting libertarian ideas.

[MRK]

Have never seen or heard of any of these people or this show/movie until this thread.

That's such a satisfying feeling.
lol.

This is true for me as well on all accounts :)

[ObiRandKenobi]

that show sucks

[eduardo89]

that show sucks

Emily Mortimer is the only reason to watch it.

[AuH20]

Take apart a man's life in a cheap 2 minute fictional conversation? Really? With no counterpoints? Just run with all the inaccuracies. That was one of the most tasteless, vindictive pieces of dialogue I have ever heard.

[dillo]

I watched the newsroom for 1 episode and realized it was liberal propaganda garbage. Some of my friends love it, but I just can't watch that shit.

[BuddyRey]

You guys are still watching TV?????

Da fuq?!

[SouthBeachPrimal]

You might not like the words spoken in that clip, but if this show is supposed to be an accurate reflection of the Mainstream Media (I don't watch the show but I assume from the title and the context of this clip that it is) then I don't see how you can complain. The smug, arrogant, condescending attitudes. The group think. The imperative to label anyone who deviates even slightly from the establishment approved ideas as "crazy". That scene right there succinctly summarizes everything I despise about the Mainstream Media, but don't blame Sorkin for writing them the way they really are.

[twomp]

"Time makes more converts than reason."

-- Thomas Paine

[AuH20]

You might not like the words spoken in that clip, but if this show is supposed to be an accurate reflection of the Mainstream Media (I don't watch the show but I assume from the title and the context of this clip that it is) then I don't see how you can complain. The smug, arrogant, condescending attitudes. The group think. The imperative to label anyone who deviates even slightly from the establishment approved ideas as "crazy". That scene right there succinctly summarizes everything I despise about the Mainstream Media, but don't blame Sorkin for writing them the way they really are.

Well, Sorkin still laments that the public is not mesmerized by the words of such national news celebrities as Edward R. Murrow and Walter Cronkite. This show is basically him lashing out against the rapid information dispersal which has made "governing" almost near impossible. The genie has been released from the bottle and the statist hacks are not so pleased.

[NewRightLibertarian]

You might not like the words spoken in that clip, but if this show is supposed to be an accurate reflection of the Mainstream Media (I don't watch the show but I assume from the title and the context of this clip that it is) then I don't see how you can complain. The smug, arrogant, condescending attitudes. The group think. The imperative to label anyone who deviates even slightly from the establishment approved ideas as "crazy". That scene right there succinctly summarizes everything I despise about the Mainstream Media, but don't blame Sorkin for writing them the way they really are.

They're not bashing Ron Paul as a clever dig at the mainstream media. They're bashing him because the show is written by left-wingers like every other piece of drivel that comes out of Hollywood


Well, Sorkin still laments that the public is not mesmerized by the words of such national news celebrities as Edward R. Murrow and Walter Kronkite. This show is basically him lashing out against the rapid information dispersal which has made "governing" almost near impossible. The genie has been released from the bottle and the statist hacks are not so pleased.

exactly, Sorkin wants to get us back to the 'good ol' days' where a newsreader spoonfed nonsense into the mouths of the public, and they had virtually no other alternative to get information from. Thankfully, those days are over and no amount of slick propaganda will make them come back again.

[XTreat]

I think the show is entertaining and I just torrent it so I don't have to feel like I am putting money in any assholes coffer.

I was pretty disgusted though obviously.

[heavenlyboy34]

You guys are still watching TV?????

Da fuq?!
Yeah, srsly! Da fuq? Y'all should've ditched yer TVs like yours truly years ago. Not only is it lame, they will soon be used as Orwellian spy cams ala 1984, I assure you. :(

[CPUd]

They're not bashing Ron Paul as a clever dig at the mainstream media. They're bashing him because the show is written by left-wingers like every other piece of drivel that comes out of Hollywood



exactly, Sorkin wants to get us back to the 'good ol' days' where a newsreader spoonfed nonsense into the mouths of the public, and they had virtually no other alternative to get information from. Thankfully, those days are over and no amount of slick propaganda will make them come back again.

Isn't the mainstream media also run by left-wingers?

[NewRightLibertarian]

Isn't the mainstream media also run by left-wingers?

certainly, 'Newsroom' is pissed that they're losing their grips upon the minds of the American public. That's why they got a foreigner showing that stupid young lady how stupid she is for supporting liberty on their show.

[AuH20]

Isn't the mainstream media also run by left-wingers?

Yes, look at the principal executives at the Major Networks (CBS/Viacom, NBC, ABC, Fox). All progressives.

[Cabal]

The character who said that line is a very liberal type of character who has been advocating OWS, and trying to convince his producers to cover it as one of his main character story arcs (but the anchor/and EP rag pretty hard on OWS), so it's really not all that shocking that he doesn't have high opinions of Ron Paul.

On the other hand, the show has mentioned Ron Paul in the past in a more objective sort of way--talking about how he did fairly well in straw poll results, IIRC. Frankly, the mere fact that the show has even acknowledge Ron Paul's existence was rather surprising to me.

I don't doubt that Sorkin and, in all likelihood, the majority of the show's cast/crew leans some degree of left, as that is kind of typical in the entertainment industry with only a few notable exceptions. But, I wouldn't be so sensitive about what a fictional, left-biased, opinionated character says in-character, on the show. And I also wouldn't go around misquoting people from what said fictional character's line in a scene was.

The scene was brief, barebones talking points and quips, but it was basically accurate in its portrayal of the Ron Paul peeps vs. the naysayers. During the campaign season, RP supporters talked about the virtues of freedom, and shutting down departments as was a large part of his platform. The naysayers rolled their eyes at that, and then tend to always bring up the infamous newsletters and race-baiting. This was fairly common place from my recollection.

Maybe Sorkin loathes Ron Paul, maybe he doesn't. I couldn't tell you from this clip, and I don't see how one can really make that jump based on this clip either.

[BuddyRey]

certainly, 'Newsroom' is pissed that they're losing their grips upon the minds of the American public. That's why they got a foreigner showing that stupid young lady how stupid she is for supporting liberty on their show.

There's another reason they do that too, which is that they know ideas sound more authoritative, and are more likely to be accepted as true, when said with a BBC English accent. That's why all these American news channels are outsourcing their pundit jobs to people like Piers Morgan, because weak-minded 20-something American Hipster trendies think "accent = sophistication and intellect."

[presence]

Interesting "Programming"

[heavenlyboy34]

There's another reason they do that to, which is that they know ideas sound more authoritative, and are more likely to be accepted as true, when said with a BBC English accent. That's why all these American news channels are outsourcing their pundit jobs to people like Piers Morgan, because weak-minded 20-something American Hipster trendies think "accent = sophistication and intellect."
lolz ~dons British accent~ Very good, young man. ;)

[RonPaul4Prez2012]

Where does Aaron Sorkin say that? One of the characters does, but not Sorkin.



Um, who do you think writes the characters dialogue? Hint: its not the actors.

[mczerone]

Um, who do you think writes the characters dialogue? Hint: its not the actors.

But even if Sorkin himself wrote the dialog, he wrote it FOR a character to say. He's trying to create a world that parallels the real MSM, and in that paradigm there are people like this. There's no evidence that he's trying to use this dialog to put forth the statement as truth. Especially since the character isn't a sober top-notch political-economist. He's a naive drunkard spouting his short-sighted opinions. To pin this statement on Sorkin as his actual belief is to assign the stated views of Wesley Mouch to Ayn Rand.

That he even put RP's name in the script is a vast improvement over 07/08, when shows like SNL would go out of their way to lampoon each GOP contender each week, but never once mentioned RP, positively or negatively.

[Ender]

Free market solution is to boycott movies of this guy?

Apparently there were Wikileaks reports that movies of Steven Spielbergh and those of scumbags Will Smith, Ashton Kutcher were being boycotted in mideast.

Scumbags?

[J_White]

who here expects a fair representation of RP's views or his supporters on the idiot box ? not me !!
but at least they could be subtle about it !

[angelatc]

In fairness to The Newsroom, Ron Paul was also shown as having a beautiful minority young woman as a staunch supporter. Also it was acknowledged at an earlier point in the episode (by same supporter) that Ron Paul was being underrepresented in the media during the 2012 election cycle. Further, the show has included RP's campaign alongside mentions of Santorum, Gingrich, and Romney. The show clearly could have ignored RP (as much of the mainstream media did during the cycle). Certainly it could not be reasonably construed that the writers of The Newsroom support RP, but they have treated him with at least the semblance of non-bias. Further, the character who criticizes RP in this scene is an opinionated and relatively. naive character

Full disclosure--I think The Newsroom is an excellent show and the 2nd season is far superior to the 1st. Worth watching by all means in my book.

everything i saw indicated it was liberal propaganda. I wouldn't touch it with your pole.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

what is Newsroom? Who is Aaron Sorkin? Apparently not popular enough for me to even know what the hell it is.

[susano]

I'm horrified at how many people watch serial television. It's mind control. "Programming" as someone else said. Hell, the only reason I check teevee 'news' is to keep an eye on the enemy and see what bullshit 'narrative' they're peddling today.

Also, with regard to the British character. I don't think it's just because the English accent carries more authority. TV news has also hired shitloads of Brits and most are FAR left. I think they're there because the transnational globalists who are trying to influence Americans via media are in sync with British (Orwellian) statism/Fabian socialism/atheism/Marxism/nanny state/surveillance state/gun control/PC anti freedom of speech/moral decay/Tavistock mind control, etc., etc., etc. Present an attractive Brit with charming accent that captures the audience, pump in the whole rotten British political and social culture.

[S.Shorland]

I think we're going to be spied on whatever device we use to watch media/communicate.I bought a new laptop and had to sign up to a microsoft account to access it.I put tape over the built-in camera but I had to give my password to access my email etc.They're centralising all our data and that will be used for tracking and also predictive purposes.The BBC was SUCH leftist propaganda I just couldn't possibly watch it anymore.Haven't had a tv for almost five years.

They are called (by themselves mostly) 'Aunty/Auntie Beeb'.It's a state organ and it's trying to .... us.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

I think we're going to be spied on whatever device we use to watch media/communicate.I bought a new laptop and had to sign up to a microsoft account to access it.I put tape over the built-in camera but I had to give my password to access my email etc.They're centralising all our data and that will be used for tracking and also predictive purposes.The BBC was SUCH leftist propaganda I just couldn't possibly watch it anymore.Haven't had a tv for almost five years.

They are called (by themselves mostly) 'Aunty/Auntie Beeb'.It's a state organ and it's trying to .... us.

on windows 8 you dont need a microsoft account, you can create what's called a local account instead. They try to trick you into thinking a microsoft account is required.

[ronpaulfollower999]

I'd hate to see this forum if a clown wore a Ron Paul mask at a rodeo.

[Cleaner44]

That's awesome, the dipshit is all "fuck freedom, Ron Paul is a racist so freedom is bullshit and we certainly don't need it!"

The only people stupider than the writer of this show are the people that watch it.

[NewRightLibertarian]

That's awesome, the dipshit is all "fuck freedom, Ron Paul is a racist so freedom is bullshit and we certainly don't need it!"

The only people stupider than the writer of this show are the people that watch it.

The argument seems to be that since privileged, affluent elites can get marijuana easily that it doesn't matter that Ron Paul wants to legalize. Ignoring how marijuana prohibition disproportionately impacts minorities and young people is apparently hip and trendy. The bad man wrote the mean words so screw stopping institutional discrimination and stopping illegal wars.

[mello]

When I saw this episode, I had a brief flash of rage but after thinking about it, maybe Sorkin did this to show how the MSM treated Ron during the election. Later in that same episode, one of the reporters altered raw video footage to fit his narrative. It seems like an accurate depiction of a National news network.

As a bonus to us, the Ron Paul supporter was pretty hot.

[ZENemy]

There is a reason why its called network "programming"

[KurtBoyer25L]

"Anyone hurt?"

"No ma'am. Killed a n*****."

"Oh, well that's good, because sometimes people do get hurt."

-- Mark Twain, Huckleberry Finn

The character speaking in a book or script does not always speak for the writer or the theme of the show. In fact, sometimes a character will always say the *wrong* thing to demonstrate to the audience that whatever he says is the opposite of the truth, i.e. Banky in Chasing Amy.

[kahless]

I almost feel I am watching this show in some sort of third person view if I am describing it right. Kind of like the show is not targeted to me but rather to people that are easily enamored with the career it portrays and the characters. A weak type of average American that easily buys into the propaganda sold on the show or any MSM news network for that matter that will consume the narrative and dialogue for the purpose of echoing it accordingly.

That viewer will pick up on the eye rolls at the mention of Ron Paul's polices, the drunken inarticulate supporter and of course that Ron Paul is a kooky racist. The message was clear to them, if I support Ron Paul policies I will be going against societal norms. The dialogue was perfect in that respect and will serve it's purpose with those folks accordingly.

To me this seemed to be the same strategy set out by Sorkin in this show and West Wing. Progressive education of past history for the low information voter.

[oyarde]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-Gm45XUS4U

Who is Aaron Sorkin? Batsy old crank ? Nah, that would be me , the good Dr is a gentleman.

[Brian4Liberty]

I watched the newsroom for 1 episode and realized it was liberal propaganda garbage. Some of my friends love it, but I just can't watch that shit.

Same here.


I almost feel I am watching this show in some sort of third person view if I am describing it right. Kind of like the show is not targeted to me but rather to people that are easily enamored with the career it portrays and the characters. A weak type of average American that easily buys into the propaganda sold on the show or any MSM news network for that matter that will consume the narrative and dialogue for the purpose of echoing it accordingly.

That viewer will pick up on the eye rolls at the mention of Ron Paul's polices, the drunken inarticulate supporter and of course that Ron Paul is a kooky racist. The message was clear to them, if I support Ron Paul policies I will be going against societal norms. The dialogue was perfect in that respect and will serve it's purpose with those folks accordingly.

To me this seemed to be the same strategy set out by Sorkin in this show and West Wing. Progressive education of past history for the low information voter.

Well said.

Conditioning and brain-washing. The properly conditioned viewer is now supposed to reflexively recoil at the mention of Ron Paul. Pavlov's dogs.


what is Newsroom? Who is Aaron Sorkin? Apparently not popular enough for me to even know what the hell it is.

See above.

[Brian4Liberty]

And why the added intro and ending in the OP clip? Isn't there a clip available with just the content of the show?

[torchbearer]

on windows 8 you dont need a microsoft account, you can create what's called a local account instead. They try to trick you into thinking a microsoft account is required.

this is true,
and conversely- windows 7 sets you up with a local account, but if you go into advanced options, you can set 7 up with a microsoft account.

[devil21]

but but he doesn't want clean air or water! :rolleyes:

People actually watch this pretentious, self-righteous, thinly-disguised political propaganda?

That's the only reason I watch it occasionally. It's such over-the-top leftist propaganda that you have to see it just to behold it in all it's glory. When every scene filmed in the office of the "Republican" (who only seems to care about blowing up muslims) lead news anchor prominently features a picture of said anchor shaking hands with Obama, well it's sorta like a car wreck that you just can't look away from. It's also an interesting new take on propaganda in that it addresses actual current events but spins them (after the fact) into a democrat friendly narrative every time. It's quite interesting to watch sometimes if you're able to see it for what it is.

eta: Sorkin is a close supporter of Obama. Just google around. He arranges fundraisers with other Hollywood types, speaks at Obama's events, etc. The inclusion of the RP slam is likely to "remind" Democrats that are starting to like Rand of Rand's lineage.

[libertariantexas]

Yeah, srsly! Da fuq? Y'all should've ditched yer TVs like yours truly years ago. Not only is it lame, they will soon be used as Orwellian spy cams ala 1984, I assure you. :(

Mom, Dad, is that you?

Not to be disrespectful, Dad or Mom, but I'm old enough to make my own decisions regarding television now.

And if you (or your little buddy) aren't my Mom or Dad, why the HELL would I want or need your advice regarding my leisure habits?

If you don't like TV, don't watch.

Don't presume you know what's best for the rest of us, because, well, you don't.

[ThePenguinLibertarian]

but but he doesn't want clean air or water! :rolleyes:

People actually watch this pretentious, self-righteous, thinly-disguised political propaganda?

There just a bunch of under 30 actors who won't win any good awards. Now if it was done with say Dame Maggie Smith or Kenneth Branaugh. It would be more tolerable.

[ThePenguinLibertarian]

There's another reason they do that too, which is that they know ideas sound more authoritative, and are more likely to be accepted as true, when said with a BBC English accent. That's why all these American news channels are outsourcing their pundit jobs to people like Piers Morgan, because weak-minded 20-something American Hipster trendies think "accent = sophistication and intellect."
Yeah i prefer the following british Accents: Northern England, Heavy Welsh, General Scottish.

[eduardo89]

Yeah i prefer the following british Accents: Northern England, Heavy Welsh, General Scottish.

Norther England as in Geordie accents??!? I cannot take those people seriously.

[moostraks]

That's the only reason I watch it occasionally. It's such over-the-top leftist propaganda that you have to see it just to behold it in all it's glory. When every scene filmed in the office of the "Republican" (who only seems to care about blowing up muslims) lead news anchor prominently features a picture of said anchor shaking hands with Obama, well it's sorta like a car wreck that you just can't look away from. It's also an interesting new take on propaganda in that it addresses actual current events but spins them (after the fact) into a democrat friendly narrative every time. It's quite interesting to watch sometimes if you're able to see it for what it is.

eta: Sorkin is a close supporter of Obama. Just google around. He arranges fundraisers with other Hollywood types, speaks at Obama's events, etc. The inclusion of the RP slam is likely to "remind" Democrats that are starting to like Rand of Rand's lineage.

:) well said! I don't understand why it is okay to watch msm for spin but we are not supposed to watch prime time programming because we will be converted to the dark side. I recently took to watching West Wing as I never saw it back in the day, and find it intriguing as you see present day politics and msm propaganda being portrayed and ya gotta wonder is this not why we are in the current mess we are in? Just because some folks can suspend belief and become absorbed by the program doesn't mean everyone is going to be duped. I wouldn't plant children in front of tripe but adults should have a better grasp on discernment and capable of viewing some programs for the benefit of analyzing the whys of the opposition's positions. Since I have never heard of this program before I might keep my eye out for it to see what might be in there as comparison to his previous work but I venture it is much of the same nonsense.

[KingNothing]

In fairness to The Newsroom, Ron Paul was also shown as having a beautiful minority young woman as a staunch supporter. Also it was acknowledged at an earlier point in the episode (by same supporter) that Ron Paul was being underrepresented in the media during the 2012 election cycle. Further, the show has included RP's campaign alongside mentions of Santorum, Gingrich, and Romney. The show clearly could have ignored RP (as much of the mainstream media did during the cycle). Certainly it could not be reasonably construed that the writers of The Newsroom support RP, but they have treated him with at least the semblance of non-bias. Further, the character who criticizes RP in this scene is an opinionated and relatively. naive character

Full disclosure--I think The Newsroom is an excellent show and the 2nd season is far superior to the 1st. Worth watching by all means in my book.


Sorkin is a douche, though. I can't bring myself to watch him masturbate and call it a television show.

[KingNothing]

That viewer will pick up on the eye rolls at the mention of Ron Paul's polices, the drunken inarticulate supporter and of course that Ron Paul is a kooky racist. The message was clear to them, if I support Ron Paul policies I will be going against societal norms. The dialogue was perfect in that respect and will serve it's purpose with those folks accordingly.

To me this seemed to be the same strategy set out by Sorkin in this show and West Wing. Progressive education of past history for the low information voter.

Pretty much.